Yeah.We went on Wednesday for another ultrasound, and again the doc told us that one of the chambers was measuring smaller than the other, but it wasn't glaringly defective. He got us an appointment for a fetal echocardiogram for yesterday afternoon.
First off, the equipment available today is unbelievable. They zoom in on the little critter's heart and you can see in great detail the tiny valves opening and closing in unison with every beat. This was a good thing btw - both valves were working properly. They do a doplar-like thing where incoming blood is blue on the screen and outgoing is red. They check to make sure there is no leakage between the chambers and that blood flow is equal. That also checked out fine. She confirmed that one chamber is in fact smaller than the other, and its unusal in that the one that is smaller is actually most often a bit bigger than the other at this stage. She didn't rule out that there could be an undetectable leak that wouldn't be picked up now, but there is no obvious, gross defect.
We'll go in for another one of these in 10 weeks just to make sure everything is cool as the heart becomes more fully developed. For now though, much relief in Nigel's house.![]()
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hoping this is the case with us. Went for the 18 wk ultrasound and we spent 5 hours in there. First the nurse took WAY too many pictures and measurements of internal organs. Like 45 minutes worth. She finally says "do you want to know the sex?" we say yes and she says "it's a girl". a few more minutes of pics and she leavesThe Dr comes in after 20 minutes and says "something looks abnormal with the heart, i'm going to take a closer look." He proceeds to take multiple pictures, measurements, and views of the heart stomach, and kidneys. His face has an "i'm not surprised but this is not going to be pleasant" look. Raised eyebrows, pursed/twisted lips.After at least 15 minutes of complete silence and the Dr viewing 100s of angles, pics, etc, he tells us the heart is asymmetrical, the stomach is on the wrong side, and there is fluid around the kidneys. That any one of those markers is not necessarily cause for significant concern. But the presence of multiple indicators means it is potentially a chromosomal issue. i.e. Trisomy. I'm 37 and my wife is 36 so we are higher risk for thisThey did an amniocentesis on the spot and took blood from both of us. 3 days before we know anything and 2 weeks before any firm answersi joke a lot on here about my relationship and my wife. But this would be her 3rd failed pregnancy. i didnt think she was going to come out of her funk after #2. This one would be a game changer i think. This one was so far along that we told everyone, our parents had already started buying things for the baby, and to make matters worse, the nurse tells us its a girl and then leaves for 20 minutes. We're talking about names and nursery colors, etc...after she had to know something was wrongnot a pleasant night in the Knuckles householdhi nigel. i would tell your wife to not worry. worrying is not going to help the situation at all. i am very similar to your wife in that regard. one of our twin girls had "soft markers" for trisomy 18. basically, a death sentence. we, of course, were devestated. they saw a choroid plexus cyst and an echogenic bowel. they said both things could be nothing, but since there was more than one indicator, they were somewhat concerned. well, i logged many hours scouring the internet for any info i could find. in the end, other than being extremely premature, they were perfectly healthy. the fact is (and you can find articles from other drs) ultrasounds are just not accurate enough to try to determine some stuff. the fact that it took that much time and effort to come up with "im 90% sure its fine" tells me, they should not be worrying the parents yet.
Ouch, best of luck. If I remember correctly, this has caused you guys a lot of issues already. Hope everything works out for you and the girls.hoping this is the case with us. Went for the 18 wk ultrasound and we spent 5 hours in there. First the nurse took WAY too many pictures and measurements of internal organs. Like 45 minutes worth. She finally says "do you want to know the sex?" we say yes and she says "it's a girl". a few more minutes of pics and she leavesThe Dr comes in after 20 minutes and says "something looks abnormal with the heart, i'm going to take a closer look." He proceeds to take multiple pictures, measurements, and views of the heart stomach, and kidneys. His face has an "i'm not surprised but this is not going to be pleasant" look. Raised eyebrows, pursed/twisted lips.After at least 15 minutes of complete silence and the Dr viewing 100s of angles, pics, etc, he tells us the heart is asymmetrical, the stomach is on the wrong side, and there is fluid around the kidneys. That any one of those markers is not necessarily cause for significant concern. But the presence of multiple indicators means it is potentially a chromosomal issue. i.e. Trisomy. I'm 37 and my wife is 36 so we are higher risk for thisThey did an amniocentesis on the spot and took blood from both of us. 3 days before we know anything and 2 weeks before any firm answersi joke a lot on here about my relationship and my wife. But this would be her 3rd failed pregnancy. i didnt think she was going to come out of her funk after #2. This one would be a game changer i think. This one was so far along that we told everyone, our parents had already started buying things for the baby, and to make matters worse, the nurse tells us its a girl and then leaves for 20 minutes. We're talking about names and nursery colors, etc...after she had to know something was wrongnot a pleasant night in the Knuckles householdhi nigel. i would tell your wife to not worry. worrying is not going to help the situation at all. i am very similar to your wife in that regard. one of our twin girls had "soft markers" for trisomy 18. basically, a death sentence. we, of course, were devestated. they saw a choroid plexus cyst and an echogenic bowel. they said both things could be nothing, but since there was more than one indicator, they were somewhat concerned. well, i logged many hours scouring the internet for any info i could find. in the end, other than being extremely premature, they were perfectly healthy. the fact is (and you can find articles from other drs) ultrasounds are just not accurate enough to try to determine some stuff. the fact that it took that much time and effort to come up with "im 90% sure its fine" tells me, they should not be worrying the parents yet.
Thanks. And yes, the failed pregnancies, associated weight gains, mood swings, and general frustration have caused quite a bit of trouble for us. I typically come on here to vent...rather harshly sometimes. but hey, whatever it takes to get the poison outReading up on this we have 2 or 3 major markers and 2 soft ones.'DrJ said:Ouch, best of luck. If I remember correctly, this has caused you guys a lot of issues already. Hope everything works out for you and the girls.'BuddyKnuckles said:hoping this is the case with us. Went for the 18 wk ultrasound and we spent 5 hours in there. First the nurse took WAY too many pictures and measurements of internal organs. Like 45 minutes worth. She finally says "do you want to know the sex?" we say yes and she says "it's a girl". a few more minutes of pics and she leavesThe Dr comes in after 20 minutes and says "something looks abnormal with the heart, i'm going to take a closer look." He proceeds to take multiple pictures, measurements, and views of the heart stomach, and kidneys. His face has an "i'm not surprised but this is not going to be pleasant" look. Raised eyebrows, pursed/twisted lips.After at least 15 minutes of complete silence and the Dr viewing 100s of angles, pics, etc, he tells us the heart is asymmetrical, the stomach is on the wrong side, and there is fluid around the kidneys. That any one of those markers is not necessarily cause for significant concern. But the presence of multiple indicators means it is potentially a chromosomal issue. i.e. Trisomy. I'm 37 and my wife is 36 so we are higher risk for thisThey did an amniocentesis on the spot and took blood from both of us. 3 days before we know anything and 2 weeks before any firm answersi joke a lot on here about my relationship and my wife. But this would be her 3rd failed pregnancy. i didnt think she was going to come out of her funk after #2. This one would be a game changer i think. This one was so far along that we told everyone, our parents had already started buying things for the baby, and to make matters worse, the nurse tells us its a girl and then leaves for 20 minutes. We're talking about names and nursery colors, etc...after she had to know something was wrongnot a pleasant night in the Knuckles householdhi nigel. i would tell your wife to not worry. worrying is not going to help the situation at all. i am very similar to your wife in that regard. one of our twin girls had "soft markers" for trisomy 18. basically, a death sentence. we, of course, were devestated. they saw a choroid plexus cyst and an echogenic bowel. they said both things could be nothing, but since there was more than one indicator, they were somewhat concerned. well, i logged many hours scouring the internet for any info i could find. in the end, other than being extremely premature, they were perfectly healthy. the fact is (and you can find articles from other drs) ultrasounds are just not accurate enough to try to determine some stuff. the fact that it took that much time and effort to come up with "im 90% sure its fine" tells me, they should not be worrying the parents yet.
  
I generally think you're kind of an idiot, but this almost made me tear up (I'm kind of drunk too). My wife had a miscarriage and it was horrendous for us. I can't imagine what you're going through. You've been through it before so I don't know what kind of advice to give you, but, and you know this, just be as strong for her as you can and hope everything works out ok. This has to be awful. Good luck man. Just good luck.'BuddyKnuckles said:hoping this is the case with us. Went for the 18 wk ultrasound and we spent 5 hours in there. First the nurse took WAY too many pictures and measurements of internal organs. Like 45 minutes worth. She finally says "do you want to know the sex?" we say yes and she says "it's a girl". a few more minutes of pics and she leavesThe Dr comes in after 20 minutes and says "something looks abnormal with the heart, i'm going to take a closer look." He proceeds to take multiple pictures, measurements, and views of the heart stomach, and kidneys. His face has an "i'm not surprised but this is not going to be pleasant" look. Raised eyebrows, pursed/twisted lips.After at least 15 minutes of complete silence and the Dr viewing 100s of angles, pics, etc, he tells us the heart is asymmetrical, the stomach is on the wrong side, and there is fluid around the kidneys. That any one of those markers is not necessarily cause for significant concern. But the presence of multiple indicators means it is potentially a chromosomal issue. i.e. Trisomy. I'm 37 and my wife is 36 so we are higher risk for thisThey did an amniocentesis on the spot and took blood from both of us. 3 days before we know anything and 2 weeks before any firm answersi joke a lot on here about my relationship and my wife. But this would be her 3rd failed pregnancy. i didnt think she was going to come out of her funk after #2. This one would be a game changer i think. This one was so far along that we told everyone, our parents had already started buying things for the baby, and to make matters worse, the nurse tells us its a girl and then leaves for 20 minutes. We're talking about names and nursery colors, etc...after she had to know something was wrongnot a pleasant night in the Knuckles householdhi nigel. i would tell your wife to not worry. worrying is not going to help the situation at all. i am very similar to your wife in that regard. one of our twin girls had "soft markers" for trisomy 18. basically, a death sentence. we, of course, were devestated. they saw a choroid plexus cyst and an echogenic bowel. they said both things could be nothing, but since there was more than one indicator, they were somewhat concerned. well, i logged many hours scouring the internet for any info i could find. in the end, other than being extremely premature, they were perfectly healthy. the fact is (and you can find articles from other drs) ultrasounds are just not accurate enough to try to determine some stuff. the fact that it took that much time and effort to come up with "im 90% sure its fine" tells me, they should not be worrying the parents yet.
yeah, i tend to come on here specifically to be an idiot. it's my way of venting. so i'll sleep in the bed i've madeI generally think you're kind of an idiot, but this almost made me tear up (I'm kind of drunk too). My wife had a miscarriage and it was horrendous for us. I can't imagine what you're going through. You've been through it before so I don't know what kind of advice to give you, but, and you know this, just be as strong for her as you can and hope everything works out ok. This has to be awful. Good luck man. Just good luck.'BuddyKnuckles said:hoping this is the case with us. Went for the 18 wk ultrasound and we spent 5 hours in there. First the nurse took WAY too many pictures and measurements of internal organs. Like 45 minutes worth. She finally says "do you want to know the sex?" we say yes and she says "it's a girl". a few more minutes of pics and she leavesThe Dr comes in after 20 minutes and says "something looks abnormal with the heart, i'm going to take a closer look." He proceeds to take multiple pictures, measurements, and views of the heart stomach, and kidneys. His face has an "i'm not surprised but this is not going to be pleasant" look. Raised eyebrows, pursed/twisted lips.After at least 15 minutes of complete silence and the Dr viewing 100s of angles, pics, etc, he tells us the heart is asymmetrical, the stomach is on the wrong side, and there is fluid around the kidneys. That any one of those markers is not necessarily cause for significant concern. But the presence of multiple indicators means it is potentially a chromosomal issue. i.e. Trisomy. I'm 37 and my wife is 36 so we are higher risk for thisThey did an amniocentesis on the spot and took blood from both of us. 3 days before we know anything and 2 weeks before any firm answersi joke a lot on here about my relationship and my wife. But this would be her 3rd failed pregnancy. i didnt think she was going to come out of her funk after #2. This one would be a game changer i think. This one was so far along that we told everyone, our parents had already started buying things for the baby, and to make matters worse, the nurse tells us its a girl and then leaves for 20 minutes. We're talking about names and nursery colors, etc...after she had to know something was wrongnot a pleasant night in the Knuckles householdhi nigel. i would tell your wife to not worry. worrying is not going to help the situation at all. i am very similar to your wife in that regard. one of our twin girls had "soft markers" for trisomy 18. basically, a death sentence. we, of course, were devestated. they saw a choroid plexus cyst and an echogenic bowel. they said both things could be nothing, but since there was more than one indicator, they were somewhat concerned. well, i logged many hours scouring the internet for any info i could find. in the end, other than being extremely premature, they were perfectly healthy. the fact is (and you can find articles from other drs) ultrasounds are just not accurate enough to try to determine some stuff. the fact that it took that much time and effort to come up with "im 90% sure its fine" tells me, they should not be worrying the parents yet.
yeah, they're tough enough to deal with. But once you start looking at names, buying stuff, telling everyone, and once your wife looks and feels very pregnant, its no fun to go throughGood luck BK, I feel your pain. We've had two doses of it here in the past year. First an 8 week miscarriage, pretty standard, but then a second time last month -- pre-term labor when my wife was nearly 6 months. That one hurt, and still does. Mrs. O is climbing out of the funk now, but it's not a fun experience. T&P.
:(Update - no chromosomal issues. at least none that they can test for. instead we've got a superfecta of congenital defects. won't get into details but we're looking at a minimum of 3 major surgeries within 2 years. Possibility of as many as 6 if things do not go well. Most precarious times will be just before birth, as waiting the longest gives the best chance for survival. Anything premature would not be good. And then immediately after birth they will take her right to NICU and once stabilized into surgery. If she can get through that, things look at least survivable with a realistic possibility of a normal lifeoh, and my dog needs surgery and my business is failing.thanks a lot karma, you #####
  :(  So sorry to hear about all of this GB.  My cousin had a baby with similar issues.  Thankfully with modern science, and a lot of surgeries, their son, now 5, is getting closer and closer to being "normal".  It was a slow start for him, but it looks like everything is going to work out fine.  T&P's to you and your family.Actually, I would be careful with this. I played things way and it almost ended my marriage.Shortly after Katrina, while we were moving from Mississippi, my wife had a miscarriage. That was very difficult. Later she was pregnant again and the pregnancy was going very badly- extreme bleeding, bad ultrasounds, etc.I tried to be strong for my daughter and strong for my wife. I rarely showed how much it was tearing me up. I just lay awake at night, and tried to hold things together at home and make things work at my job. My wife and I had a distance growing between us. I thought it was just the stress of the situation, but I seemed like it might be bigger.One night, my wife is bleeding buckets. We call the hospital. They tell us she is miscarrying, and we need to sit tight. We can see the doctor in the morning. Now, we need to lay down and be still.My wife and I hold each other, and she says "What are we going to do? I can't take this again? I don't how I will get through this?' I try to be strong, but I can't. I just cry. I cry for my lost baby, I cry for tha baby I'm losing, I cry for my wife and I cry for me. My wife looks at me stunned- She says "I never knew this bothered you so much. I have felt so alone in my grief." I said "I was trying to be strong for you and for Charlotte."She said, "I married you to share this life with me and for us to walk the road together. We have been walking separately lately"She was right. We went to the doctor, and by some miracle, the baby was still hanging on and hanging in. He is 5 now. Life is awesome.There is a fine line between being strong and distant. Don't be distant.Again, I wish you the very best of luck during this absolutely devastating time of uncertainty.Stay strong BK, not only for you but your wife.
Great read and advice.Actually, I would be careful with this. I played things way and it almost ended my marriage.Shortly after Katrina, while we were moving from Mississippi, my wife had a miscarriage. That was very difficult. Later she was pregnant again and the pregnancy was going very badly- extreme bleeding, bad ultrasounds, etc.I tried to be strong for my daughter and strong for my wife. I rarely showed how much it was tearing me up. I just lay awake at night, and tried to hold things together at home and make things work at my job. My wife and I had a distance growing between us. I thought it was just the stress of the situation, but I seemed like it might be bigger.One night, my wife is bleeding buckets. We call the hospital. They tell us she is miscarrying, and we need to sit tight. We can see the doctor in the morning. Now, we need to lay down and be still.My wife and I hold each other, and she says "What are we going to do? I can't take this again? I don't how I will get through this?' I try to be strong, but I can't. I just cry. I cry for my lost baby, I cry for tha baby I'm losing, I cry for my wife and I cry for me. My wife looks at me stunned- She says "I never knew this bothered you so much. I have felt so alone in my grief." I said "I was trying to be strong for you and for Charlotte."She said, "I married you to share this life with me and for us to walk the road together. We have been walking separately lately"She was right. We went to the doctor, and by some miracle, the baby was still hanging on and hanging in. He is 5 now. Life is awesome.There is a fine line between being strong and distant. Don't be distant.Again, I wish you the very best of luck during this absolutely devastating time of uncertainty.Stay strong BK, not only for you but your wife.
Thoughts and prayers. It is good to hear that the issues are treatable, though.Most precarious times will be just before birth, as waiting the longest gives the best chance for survival. Anything premature would not be good. And then immediately after birth they will take her right to NICU and once stabilized into surgery. If she can get through that, things look at least survivable with a realistic possibility of a normal life
x2. Having been through similar, this is good advice.Great read and advice.Actually, I would be careful with this. I played things way and it almost ended my marriage.Shortly after Katrina, while we were moving from Mississippi, my wife had a miscarriage. That was very difficult. Later she was pregnant again and the pregnancy was going very badly- extreme bleeding, bad ultrasounds, etc.I tried to be strong for my daughter and strong for my wife. I rarely showed how much it was tearing me up. I just lay awake at night, and tried to hold things together at home and make things work at my job. My wife and I had a distance growing between us. I thought it was just the stress of the situation, but I seemed like it might be bigger.One night, my wife is bleeding buckets. We call the hospital. They tell us she is miscarrying, and we need to sit tight. We can see the doctor in the morning. Now, we need to lay down and be still.My wife and I hold each other, and she says "What are we going to do? I can't take this again? I don't how I will get through this?' I try to be strong, but I can't. I just cry. I cry for my lost baby, I cry for tha baby I'm losing, I cry for my wife and I cry for me. My wife looks at me stunned- She says "I never knew this bothered you so much. I have felt so alone in my grief." I said "I was trying to be strong for you and for Charlotte."She said, "I married you to share this life with me and for us to walk the road together. We have been walking separately lately"She was right. We went to the doctor, and by some miracle, the baby was still hanging on and hanging in. He is 5 now. Life is awesome.There is a fine line between being strong and distant. Don't be distant.Again, I wish you the very best of luck during this absolutely devastating time of uncertainty.Stay strong BK, not only for you but your wife.
Damn you almost had me in tears just reading this. It is great to hear everything worked out for you.Actually, I would be careful with this. I played things way and it almost ended my marriage.Shortly after Katrina, while we were moving from Mississippi, my wife had a miscarriage. That was very difficult. Later she was pregnant again and the pregnancy was going very badly- extreme bleeding, bad ultrasounds, etc.I tried to be strong for my daughter and strong for my wife. I rarely showed how much it was tearing me up. I just lay awake at night, and tried to hold things together at home and make things work at my job. My wife and I had a distance growing between us. I thought it was just the stress of the situation, but I seemed like it might be bigger.One night, my wife is bleeding buckets. We call the hospital. They tell us she is miscarrying, and we need to sit tight. We can see the doctor in the morning. Now, we need to lay down and be still.My wife and I hold each other, and she says "What are we going to do? I can't take this again? I don't how I will get through this?' I try to be strong, but I can't. I just cry. I cry for my lost baby, I cry for tha baby I'm losing, I cry for my wife and I cry for me. My wife looks at me stunned- She says "I never knew this bothered you so much. I have felt so alone in my grief." I said "I was trying to be strong for you and for Charlotte."She said, "I married you to share this life with me and for us to walk the road together. We have been walking separately lately"She was right. We went to the doctor, and by some miracle, the baby was still hanging on and hanging in. He is 5 now. Life is awesome.There is a fine line between being strong and distant. Don't be distant.Again, I wish you the very best of luck during this absolutely devastating time of uncertainty.Stay strong BK, not only for you but your wife.
Good luck, BK. There are a couple of us on this board that have daughters with congenital defects. The hardest time I had with it was before she was born, the uncertainty of what we were going to have to deal with. But after she was born, I was amazed at how lucky I was to have my daughter. You can do it, and will be a great dad!Update - no chromosomal issues. at least none that they can test for. instead we've got a superfecta of congenital defects. won't get into details but we're looking at a minimum of 3 major surgeries within 2 years. Possibility of as many as 6 if things do not go well. Most precarious times will be just before birth, as waiting the longest gives the best chance for survival. Anything premature would not be good. And then immediately after birth they will take her right to NICU and once stabilized into surgery. If she can get through that, things look at least survivable with a realistic possibility of a normal lifeoh, and my dog needs surgery and my business is failing.thanks a lot karma, you #####
Congrats on the little girl. Prayers for you and your family as you go through all the procedures ahead. May she survive and be a beautiful blessing for you guys the rest of your lives.