Muslims in NYC Planning to Build Second Mosque Near Ground Zero (2 Viewers)

[oneohh]

It is not. If this site is ever built, it will forever be a sour spot between Americans and Muslims. This is radical Muslims marking a terroritory.

That's your opinion, right?

The entire thread is an opinion, guy.

 

[Parrothead]

It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Both sides have been/are being played.

Please explain this. I believe the community center should be built as planned in order to show the world (and ourselves) that we as Americans do not give in to religious bigotry. How am I being "played"?

Because you are being extremely naive about who is really behind this. They are kicking America in the balls and you want to let them do it for a principle that Muslims really don't agree with. 90% of Muslims want a Muslim Theocracy, religious freedom does not even make their top 100 principles they believe in. The guy behind this project accuses America of killing 500,000 innocent Iraqi children. Exactly how is letting him build this building going to change that?

How is not letting him build it going to change that?

It is not. If this site is ever built, it will forever be a sour spot between Americans and Muslims. This is radical Muslims marking a terroritory.

and nobody likes the smell of muslim pee..

 

[Christo]

It is not. If this site is ever built, it will forever be a sour spot between Americans and Muslims. This is radical Muslims marking a terroritory.

That's your opinion, right?

The entire thread is an opinion, guy.

I'm sure you'll find somewhere that opinion is not a basis to deny people their rights.

 

[mad sweeney]

It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Both sides have been/are being played.

Please explain this. I believe the community center should be built as planned in order to show the world (and ourselves) that we as Americans do not give in to religious bigotry. How am I being "played"?

Because you are being extremely naive about who is really behind this. They are kicking America in the balls and you want to let them do it for a principle that Muslims really don't agree with. 90% of Muslims want a Muslim Theocracy, religious freedom does not even make their top 100 principles they believe in. The guy behind this project accuses America of killing 500,000 innocent Iraqi children. Exactly how is letting him build this building going to change that?

I was unaware that never speaking I'll of the country was a requirement of being in America. Sounds like someone needs a refresher course on our Founding Documents. CANARD!!!!!Btw, how many innocents did the US kill in Iraq? You can limit it to babies if you want.

 

[John555]

But it's just shtick.

Wookie, let me attempt to clarify something for you.On one hand, I purport to be a picture posting, beer drinking, reality tv watching, gambling degenerate, Saints fan. I have several postings that back that up, and I believe this is how fair-minded people view me.

On the other hand, some people establish their opinion of me based my “radical” postings. Time and time again I have denounced these postings as shtick (schtick). Yet some otherwise intelligent people continue to go under the false notion that the true nature of my postings are the “radical” ones.

I’ve told you the true nature of my postings. You can be open minded and choose to believe that my “mainstream” postings represent me or you can be intolerant and choose to believe that my “radical” postings define me.

How exactly is that "intolerant"? That word's been thrown around a lot, especially from the Right in claims that Lefties are hypocritically being intolerant. I don't believe most of them really know what it means. Disagreeing with you is not being intolerant. Calling someone a racist is not being intolerant. It's being used the same way Palin and Dr Laura are using the "taking away Dr L's First Amendment rights, ie incorrectly. There are other words that mean what you (people in general), but intolerant is not it.

The left is the most intolerent group of people I have ever met. When you can't even tolerate opposing view points on issues, that is intolerant. When conservatives go to college campuses, they get shouted down. They get pies in their faces. Publications get stolen. The left is obsessed with hatred over FoxNews. It is just one cable news show. People like Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin suffer far more character assasination than their equivalent far-left political pundunts. I can't post any opinion no matter how well reasoned without some leftist chiming with a personal attack. You can't speak out against global warming, gay marriage, mosques near ground zero, abortion, or Obama without being subjected to ridicule from the left.

 

[oneohh]

It is not. If this site is ever built, it will forever be a sour spot between Americans and Muslims. This is radical Muslims marking a terroritory.

That's your opinion, right?

The entire thread is an opinion, guy.

I'm sure you'll find somewhere that opinion is not a basis to deny people their rights.

Well my opinion is that you're trying to rule a shades of gray situation with black and white.

 

[Jewell]

I was responding to his absolutist statement. It's generally unwise, when discussing history, to use words like "always."

I agree, Tim. That's why I put an asterik after the first "always" I used. There are exceptions...A militant minority won't prevail if the majority is also militant. We don't have that among moderate Muslims at this time.A militant minority may relinquish their militancy when their goals are met. For example, the Black Panther movement lost steam when White America began treating blacks more fairly. This cannot happen in the present case because the stated goal of the Radicals is global Sharia.A militant minority did lose when the French aristocracy was overthrown by the French people and a militant minority did lose when the Czar and White Army wwre toppled by a people's movement (which had a militant Bolshevik minority inspiring it). Both of these instances, though, involved the majority getting so angry and so disgusted with the present that they took to action for a better future. I don't see that yet from moderate Muslims. Let's hope the future provides what will be required.I will note, however, that both the French case and the Russian case were Revolutions [and, oddly, both then spiraled back into a case where a militant minority once again ruled the majority (Napoleon & The Bolsheviks)]. These events were called Revolutions because they involved people revolting against the militant minority that was oppressing them. Hopefully, we don't do that whole oppression thing this time around before revolting.* I forget to add in my last post that militant European minorities also held all of Africa and India. That's a hell of a lot of people being oppressed by a much smaller minority, but a much more militant one.

 

[mad sweeney]

But it's just shtick.

Wookie, let me attempt to clarify something for you.On one hand, I purport to be a picture posting, beer drinking, reality tv watching, gambling degenerate, Saints fan. I have several postings that back that up, and I believe this is how fair-minded people view me.

On the other hand, some people establish their opinion of me based my “radical” postings. Time and time again I have denounced these postings as shtick (schtick). Yet some otherwise intelligent people continue to go under the false notion that the true nature of my postings are the “radical” ones.

I’ve told you the true nature of my postings. You can be open minded and choose to believe that my “mainstream” postings represent me or you can be intolerant and choose to believe that my “radical” postings define me.

How exactly is that "intolerant"? That word's been thrown around a lot, especially from the Right in claims that Lefties are hypocritically being intolerant. I don't believe most of them really know what it means. Disagreeing with you is not being intolerant. Calling someone a racist is not being intolerant. It's being used the same way Palin and Dr Laura are using the "taking away Dr L's First Amendment rights, ie incorrectly. There are other words that mean what you (people in general), but intolerant is not it.

The left is the most intolerent group of people I have ever met. When you can't even tolerate opposing view points on issues, that is intolerant. When conservatives go to college campuses, they get shouted down. They get pies in their faces. Publications get stolen. The left is obsessed with hatred over FoxNews. It is just one cable news show. People like Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin suffer far more character assasination than their equivalent far-left political pundunts. I can't post any opinion no matter how well reasoned without some leftist chiming with a personal attack. You can't speak out against global warming, gay marriage, mosques near ground zero, abortion, or Obama without being subjected to ridicule from the left.

How exactly is that intolerant? Who is stopping you? Finding your opinions to be trash is not being intolerant. Intolerant would be stopping you from making your opinions known. Disagreement, even vehement disagreement, is not intolerance. Canard!

 

[drummer]

It is not. If this site is ever built, it will forever be a sour spot between Americans and Muslims. This is radical Muslims marking a terroritory.

That's your opinion, right?

The entire thread is an opinion, guy.

Message boards are usually a forum where opinion is expressed. We get that. But I wasn't asking your opinion about them. I was asking John if his specific post was "in his opinion". Just thought I'd point that out to you, dude.

 

[John555]

It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Both sides have been/are being played.

Please explain this. I believe the community center should be built as planned in order to show the world (and ourselves) that we as Americans do not give in to religious bigotry. How am I being "played"?

Because you are being extremely naive about who is really behind this. They are kicking America in the balls and you want to let them do it for a principle that Muslims really don't agree with. 90% of Muslims want a Muslim Theocracy, religious freedom does not even make their top 100 principles they believe in. The guy behind this project accuses America of killing 500,000 innocent Iraqi children. Exactly how is letting him build this building going to change that?

I was unaware that never speaking I'll of the country was a requirement of being in America. Sounds like someone needs a refresher course on our Founding Documents. CANARD!!!!!Btw, how many innocents did the US kill in Iraq? You can limit it to babies if you want.

He was blaming America for people who died under Saddam. Criticizing is OK, just don't spew radical propaganda if you want to pass yourself off as a moderate.

 

[mad sweeney]

But it's just shtick.

Wookie, let me attempt to clarify something for you.On one hand, I purport to be a picture posting, beer drinking, reality tv watching, gambling degenerate, Saints fan. I have several postings that back that up, and I believe this is how fair-minded people view me.

On the other hand, some people establish their opinion of me based my “radical” postings. Time and time again I have denounced these postings as shtick (schtick). Yet some otherwise intelligent people continue to go under the false notion that the true nature of my postings are the “radical” ones.

I’ve told you the true nature of my postings. You can be open minded and choose to believe that my “mainstream” postings represent me or you can be intolerant and choose to believe that my “radical” postings define me.

How exactly is that "intolerant"? That word's been thrown around a lot, especially from the Right in claims that Lefties are hypocritically being intolerant. I don't believe most of them really know what it means. Disagreeing with you is not being intolerant. Calling someone a racist is not being intolerant. It's being used the same way Palin and Dr Laura are using the "taking away Dr L's First Amendment rights, ie incorrectly. There are other words that mean what you (people in general), but intolerant is not it.

The left is the most intolerent group of people I have ever met. When you can't even tolerate opposing view points on issues, that is intolerant. When conservatives go to college campuses, they get shouted down. They get pies in their faces. Publications get stolen. The left is obsessed with hatred over FoxNews. It is just one cable news show. People like Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin suffer far more character assasination than their equivalent far-left political pundunts. I can't post any opinion no matter how well reasoned without some leftist chiming with a personal attack. You can't speak out against global warming, gay marriage, mosques near ground zero, abortion, or Obama without being subjected to ridicule from the left.

Forgot to add that the reason you get ridiculed is because you're ridiculous in your arguments. And this Right Wing Martyr shtick is soooooo tiring. You act as if the biggest ridiculer of all isn't the flagship mouthpiece of the GOP. Everything you accuse the Left of, is being done by the Right. Wake up.

 

[the moops]

The left is the most intolerent group of people I have ever met.

Was there some sort of group meeting that I missed?

 

[John555]

It is not. If this site is ever built, it will forever be a sour spot between Americans and Muslims. This is radical Muslims marking a terroritory.

That's your opinion, right?

The entire thread is an opinion, guy.

Message boards are usually a forum where opinion is expressed. We get that. But I wasn't asking your opinion about them. I was asking John if his specific post was "in his opinion". Just thought I'd point that out to you, dude.

No, I usually post in the opinion of some imaginary third person. I am in capable of expressing my own opinions. If it wasn't for Rush Limbaugh, I might not even have an opinion.

 

[mad sweeney]

It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Both sides have been/are being played.

Please explain this. I believe the community center should be built as planned in order to show the world (and ourselves) that we as Americans do not give in to religious bigotry. How am I being "played"?

Because you are being extremely naive about who is really behind this. They are kicking America in the balls and you want to let them do it for a principle that Muslims really don't agree with. 90% of Muslims want a Muslim Theocracy, religious freedom does not even make their top 100 principles they believe in. The guy behind this project accuses America of killing 500,000 innocent Iraqi children. Exactly how is letting him build this building going to change that?

I was unaware that never speaking I'll of the country was a requirement of being in America. Sounds like someone needs a refresher course on our Founding Documents. CANARD!!!!!Btw, how many innocents did the US kill in Iraq? You can limit it to babies if you want.

He was blaming America for people who died under Saddam. Criticizing is OK, just don't spew radical propaganda if you want to pass yourself off as a moderate.

Yeah right. Any Muslim (or lib) comment you find to be anti American about is going to get you ip on a tizzy. It's as predictable as can be.

 

[Christo]

It is not. If this site is ever built, it will forever be a sour spot between Americans and Muslims. This is radical Muslims marking a terroritory.

That's your opinion, right?

The entire thread is an opinion, guy.

I'm sure you'll find somewhere that opinion is not a basis to deny people their rights.

Well my opinion is that you're trying to rule a shades of gray situation with black and white.

I have no idea what this means.

 

[drummer]

It is not. If this site is ever built, it will forever be a sour spot between Americans and Muslims. This is radical Muslims marking a terroritory.

That's your opinion, right?

The entire thread is an opinion, guy.

Message boards are usually a forum where opinion is expressed. We get that. But I wasn't asking your opinion about them. I was asking John if his specific post was "in his opinion". Just thought I'd point that out to you, dude.

No, I usually post in the opinion of some imaginary third person. I am in capable of expressing my own opinions. If it wasn't for Rush Limbaugh, I might not even have an opinion.

And I'm trying to flesh out where your opinion is based, outside of the Muslim Fear Factor.

 

[John555]

And I'm trying to flesh out where your opinion is based, outside of the Muslim Fear Factor.

I see this building as an expression of support for the terrorist. I have made that clear post after post after post for 80 pages. Muslim fear factor has zero to do with it. I would not care if they built a mosque next door to me. It is just completely inappropriate to put this community center/mosque at this location. IN MY OPINION.

 

[Bonzai]

Congratulations, this thread has been added to the FFA index.

 

[John555]

I'm sure you'll find somewhere that opinion is not a basis to deny people their rights.

Well my opinion is that you're trying to rule a shades of gray situation with black and white.

I have no idea what this means.

How is speaking out against some stupid idea denying people their rights? ???

 

[Woogie Lee]

But it's just shtick.

Wookie, let me attempt to clarify something for you.On one hand, I purport to be a picture posting, beer drinking, reality tv watching, gambling degenerate, Saints fan. I have several postings that back that up, and I believe this is how fair-minded people view me.

On the other hand, some people establish their opinion of me based my “radical” postings. Time and time again I have denounced these postings as shtick (schtick). Yet some otherwise intelligent people continue to go under the false notion that the true nature of my postings are the “radical” ones.

I’ve told you the true nature of my postings. You can be open minded and choose to believe that my “mainstream” postings represent me or you can be intolerant and choose to believe that my “radical” postings define me.

How exactly is that "intolerant"? That word's been thrown around a lot, especially from the Right in claims that Lefties are hypocritically being intolerant. I don't believe most of them really know what it means. Disagreeing with you is not being intolerant. Calling someone a racist is not being intolerant. It's being used the same way Palin and Dr Laura are using the "taking away Dr L's First Amendment rights, ie incorrectly. There are other words that mean what you (people in general), but intolerant is not it.

The left is the most intolerent group of people I have ever met. When you can't even tolerate opposing view points on issues, that is intolerant. When conservatives go to college campuses, they get shouted down. They get pies in their faces. Publications get stolen. The left is obsessed with hatred over FoxNews. It is just one cable news show. People like Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin suffer far more character assasination than their equivalent far-left political pundunts. I can't post any opinion no matter how well reasoned without some leftist chiming with a personal attack. You can't speak out against global warming, gay marriage, mosques near ground zero, abortion, or Obama without being subjected to ridicule from the left.

I'm more than happy to be intolerant of someone's viewpoint if I disagree with it strongly. I'm much likely to be intolerant when it comes to choice (i.e. religion, political party, etc.) I am, however, not intolerant of attributes of a person which don't involve choice, such as race, ethnicity and sexual orientation.

 

[badmojo1006]

It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Both sides have been/are being played.

Please explain this. I believe the community center should be built as planned in order to show the world (and ourselves) that we as Americans do not give in to religious bigotry. How am I being "played"?

Because you are being extremely naive about who is really behind this. They are kicking America in the balls and you want to let them do it for a principle that Muslims really don't agree with. 90% of Muslims want a Muslim Theocracy, religious freedom does not even make their top 100 principles they believe in. The guy behind this project accuses America of killing 500,000 innocent Iraqi children. Exactly how is letting him build this building going to change that?

How is not letting him build it going to change that?

It is not. If this site is ever built, it will forever be a sour spot between Americans and Muslims. This is radical Muslims marking a terroritory.

So the radical Muslims will be peeing on our prayer rugs?

 

[drummer]

And I'm trying to flesh out where your opinion is based, outside of the Muslim Fear Factor.

I see this building as an expression of support for the terrorist. I have made that clear post after post after post for 80 pages. Muslim fear factor has zero to do with it. I would not care if they built a mosque next door to me. It is just completely inappropriate to put this community center/mosque at this location. IN MY OPINION.

So it's based on location alone. Gotcha. No problem with Muslims. Gotcha. Would not have a problem with it being built right next door to you. Gotcha.

 

[timschochet]

I need to post more in this thread. And I need to be more intolerant.

 

[drummer]

I need to post more in this thread. And I need to be more intolerant.

You posting more would probably breed more intolerance.

 

[Desert_Power]

Drunken Man crashes NY Mosque, calls them terrorists, urinates on their prayer rugs

Scroll down ands read the comments that cheer the guy on. What a horrible time we're entering into.

Yep

 

[John555]

I'm more than happy to be intolerant of someone's viewpoint if I disagree with it strongly. I'm much likely to be intolerant when it comes to choice (i.e. religion, political party, etc.) I am, however, not intolerant of attributes of a person which don't involve choice, such as race, ethnicity and sexual orientation.

I really can't believe intelligent people can argue that sexual orientation is purely genetics. There are lots of genetic traits which influence such choices, but in the end sexual preferences are largely learned behaviors. Some cultures have learned to believe that streching ones neck is sexually attractive or putting large holes in one's ear is. People develop fetishes for rubber, diapers, leather, pain, animals, urine, and god knows what else. Sexuality is not purely genetics, but something that is developed over a lifetime of experiences and decisions. Outside of eating, sex is the biggest positive reinforcement mechanism that humans have. It is an extremely powerful tool in shaping ones behavior. It is not something that is simply hardwired at birth by genetics. And yet some very educated people will argue that it is, but the arguement does not even pass the smell test.

 

[Woogie Lee]

I'm more than happy to be intolerant of someone's viewpoint if I disagree with it strongly. I'm much likely to be intolerant when it comes to choice (i.e. religion, political party, etc.) I am, however, not intolerant of attributes of a person which don't involve choice, such as race, ethnicity and sexual orientation.

I really can't believe intelligent people can argue that sexual orientation is purely genetics. There are lots of genetic traits which influence such choices, but in the end sexual preferences are largely learned behaviors. Some cultures have learned to believe that streching ones neck is sexually attractive or putting large holes in one's ear is. People develop fetishes for rubber, diapers, leather, pain, animals, urine, and god knows what else. Sexuality is not purely genetics, but something that is developed over a lifetime of experiences and decisions. Outside of eating, sex is the biggest positive reinforcement mechanism that humans have. It is an extremely powerful tool in shaping ones behavior. It is not something that is simply hardwired at birth by genetics. And yet some very educated people will argue that it is, but the arguement does not even pass the smell test.

When people commit suicide rather than face the fact they are gay, I'm comfortable enough to understand and acknowledge that this isn't about choice.

 

[John555]

I'm more than happy to be intolerant of someone's viewpoint if I disagree with it strongly. I'm much likely to be intolerant when it comes to choice (i.e. religion, political party, etc.) I am, however, not intolerant of attributes of a person which don't involve choice, such as race, ethnicity and sexual orientation.

I really can't believe intelligent people can argue that sexual orientation is purely genetics. There are lots of genetic traits which influence such choices, but in the end sexual preferences are largely learned behaviors. Some cultures have learned to believe that streching ones neck is sexually attractive or putting large holes in one's ear is. People develop fetishes for rubber, diapers, leather, pain, animals, urine, and god knows what else. Sexuality is not purely genetics, but something that is developed over a lifetime of experiences and decisions. Outside of eating, sex is the biggest positive reinforcement mechanism that humans have. It is an extremely powerful tool in shaping ones behavior. It is not something that is simply hardwired at birth by genetics. And yet some very educated people will argue that it is, but the arguement does not even pass the smell test.

When people commit suicide rather than face the fact they are gay, I'm comfortable enough to understand and acknowledge that this isn't about choice.

Many people hate themselves for decisions they have made and commit suicide. That is nothing unique to gays certainly does not prove it is all genetics.

 

[John555]

And I'm trying to flesh out where your opinion is based, outside of the Muslim Fear Factor.

I see this building as an expression of support for the terrorist. I have made that clear post after post after post for 80 pages. Muslim fear factor has zero to do with it. I would not care if they built a mosque next door to me. It is just completely inappropriate to put this community center/mosque at this location. IN MY OPINION.

So it's based on location alone. Gotcha. No problem with Muslims. Gotcha. Would not have a problem with it being built right next door to you. Gotcha.

I am glad you finally got it.

 

[drummer]

And I'm trying to flesh out where your opinion is based, outside of the Muslim Fear Factor.

I see this building as an expression of support for the terrorist. I have made that clear post after post after post for 80 pages. Muslim fear factor has zero to do with it. I would not care if they built a mosque next door to me. It is just completely inappropriate to put this community center/mosque at this location. IN MY OPINION.

So it's based on location alone. Gotcha. No problem with Muslims. Gotcha. Would not have a problem with it being built right next door to you. Gotcha.

I am glad you finally got it.

One problem though:

This is radical Muslims marking a terroritory.

So, based on your opinion, you don't have a problem with they living next door to you? Just trying to clarify this.

 

[John555]

I am glad you finally got it.

One problem though:

This is radical Muslims marking a terroritory.

So, based on your opinion, you don't have a problem with they living next door to you? Just trying to clarify this.

Well I did build one a house a couple houses down from me. Wasn't quite next door, but definitely within the 2 block danger zone. I have even had several in my house at the same time. I did not even make them walk through my model 2000 CTX bomb scanner.

 

[drummer]

I am glad you finally got it.

One problem though:

This is radical Muslims marking a terroritory.

So, based on your opinion, you don't have a problem with they living next door to you? Just trying to clarify this.

Well I did build one a house a couple houses down from me. Wasn't quite next door, but definitely within the 2 block danger zone. I have even had several in my house at the same time. I did not even make them walk through my model 2000 CTX bomb scanner.

Slippery.....

 

[John555]

I am glad you finally got it.

One problem though:

This is radical Muslims marking a terroritory.

So, based on your opinion, you don't have a problem with they living next door to you? Just trying to clarify this.

Well I did build one a house a couple houses down from me. Wasn't quite next door, but definitely within the 2 block danger zone. I have even had several in my house at the same time. I did not even make them walk through my model 2000 CTX bomb scanner.

Slippery.....

Sorry if I do not fit your sterotypical anti-mosque cabbie-stabbing islamophobe.

 

[drummer]

Sorry if I do not fit your sterotypical anti-mosque cabbie-stabbing islamophobe.

What? You were doing fine. No need to apologize. I gotcha.

 

[Christo]

I'm sure you'll find somewhere that opinion is not a basis to deny people their rights.

Well my opinion is that you're trying to rule a shades of gray situation with black and white.

I have no idea what this means.

How is speaking out against some stupid idea denying people their rights? ??? :IBTL:

This colloquy started with the following comment from you:

Exactly how is letting him build this building going to change that?

By using that word, you were implying that there is some entity that had the ability to "let" or to not "let" the Imam build the mosque. The only entity with that type of power is the government.

 

[John555]

By using that word, you were implying that there is some entity that had the ability to "let" or to not "let" the Imam build the mosque. The only entity with that type of power is the government.

That is weak. Let is like to allow without resistance or to accept as inevitable. There are dozens of levels of resistance you get to before you move to using government powers.

 

[Balance]

I can't believe someone wants to build a religious buildingg near ground zero. There aren't any others near it are there?

 

[John555]

I can't believe someone wants to build a religious buildingg near ground zero. There aren't any others near it are there?

There is a difference between a mosque and some $100 million mamoth exhibit that could be interpreted as a symbol of triump. I am not sure what is so difficult to understand here. The latest polls shows 71% of Americans seem to get it and 22% don't.

 

[Christo]

By using that word, you were implying that there is some entity that had the ability to "let" or to not "let" the Imam build the mosque. The only entity with that type of power is the government.

That is weak. Let is like to allow without resistance or to accept as inevitable. There are dozens of levels of resistance you get to before you move to using government powers.

Let - permit, consent to, give permission

 

[the moops]

I can't believe someone wants to build a religious buildingg near ground zero. There aren't any others near it are there?

There is a difference between a mosque and some $100 million mamoth exhibit that could be interpreted as a symbol of triump. I am not sure what is so difficult to understand here. The latest polls shows 71% of Americans seem to get it and 22% don't.

And 7% dont care?Either way, why the #### does it matter what someone in Wisconsin thinks about a building being built in New York City? Some people just need some excuse to ##### every day.

 

[Steve Tasker]

I can't believe someone wants to build a religious buildingg near ground zero. There aren't any others near it are there?

There is a difference between a mosque and some $100 million mamoth exhibit that could be interpreted as a symbol of triump. I am not sure what is so difficult to understand here. The latest polls shows 71% of Americans seem to get it and 22% don't.

at the "symbol of triumph"/American Muslims celebrating 9/11 shtick.

 

[John555]

I can't believe someone wants to build a religious buildingg near ground zero. There aren't any others near it are there?

There is a difference between a mosque and some $100 million mamoth exhibit that could be interpreted as a symbol of triump. I am not sure what is so difficult to understand here. The latest polls shows 71% of Americans seem to get it and 22% don't.

at the "symbol of triumph"/American Muslims celebrating 9/11 shtick.

What evidence do we have this money is coming from America. Sounds like they are soliciting from all over.

 

[John555]

I can't believe someone wants to build a religious buildingg near ground zero. There aren't any others near it are there?

There is a difference between a mosque and some $100 million mamoth exhibit that could be interpreted as a symbol of triump. I am not sure what is so difficult to understand here. The latest polls shows 71% of Americans seem to get it and 22% don't.

And 7% dont care?Either way, why the #### does it matter what someone in Wisconsin thinks about a building being built in New York City? Some people just need some excuse to ##### every day.

New Yorkers don't like it either. A poll several weeks ago showed 60% were against it, and the polls have only been getting worse.

 

[the moops]

I can't believe someone wants to build a religious buildingg near ground zero. There aren't any others near it are there?

There is a difference between a mosque and some $100 million mamoth exhibit that could be interpreted as a symbol of triump. I am not sure what is so difficult to understand here. The latest polls shows 71% of Americans seem to get it and 22% don't.

And 7% dont care?Either way, why the #### does it matter what someone in Wisconsin thinks about a building being built in New York City? Some people just need some excuse to ##### every day.

New Yorkers don't like it either. A poll several weeks ago showed 60% were against it, and the polls have only been getting worse.

60% of people dont like a lot of things. There is a reason why every single decision made in this country is not put up to a vote.With all the misinformation thrown out there, a lot of regurgitated by you (mosque, terrorist connections, opening on 9/11, etc), it is no surprise that many people are against it. Many people dont bother to investigate things further than what captures a headline.

 

[John555]

By using that word, you were implying that there is some entity that had the ability to "let" or to not "let" the Imam build the mosque. The only entity with that type of power is the government.

That is weak. Let is like to allow without resistance or to accept as inevitable. There are dozens of levels of resistance you get to before you move to using government powers.

Let - permit, consent to, give permission

and? ...your logic was weak. very weak.

 

[JRogers]

I can't believe someone wants to build a religious buildingg near ground zero. There aren't any others near it are there?

There is a difference between a mosque and some $100 million mamoth exhibit that could be interpreted as a symbol of triump. I am not sure what is so difficult to understand here. The latest polls shows 71% of Americans seem to get it and 22% don't.

And 7% dont care?Either way, why the #### does it matter what someone in Wisconsin thinks about a building being built in New York City? Some people just need some excuse to ##### every day.

New Yorkers don't like it either. A poll several weeks ago showed 60% were against it, and the polls have only been getting worse.

60% of people dont like a lot of things. There is a reason why every single decision made in this country is not put up to a vote.With all the misinformation thrown out there, a lot of regurgitated by you (mosque, terrorist connections, opening on 9/11, etc), it is no surprise that many people are against it. Many people dont bother to investigate things further than what captures a headline.

Just because YOU don't get the significance of this "triumph" mosque, doesn't mean that the majority, who are against it, are ignorant. Perhaps YOU are ignorant. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[the moops]

Just because YOU don't get the significance of this "triumph" mosque, doesn't mean that the majority, who are against it, are ignorant. Perhaps YOU are ignorant. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Oh my.

 

[John555]

60% of people dont like a lot of things. There is a reason why every single decision made in this country is not put up to a vote.With all the misinformation thrown out there, a lot of regurgitated by you (mosque, terrorist connections, opening on 9/11, etc), it is no surprise that many people are against it. Many people dont bother to investigate things further than what captures a headline.

The only people who are misinformed are those in denial just how badly their butts are getting handed to them.

 

[timschochet]

John555 has completely changed my perception of this affair. Now I see in my mind this building with a big sign on it that says "MOSQUE OF TRIUMPH" with a picture of the planes hitting the towers and speakers blaring "Celebration" by Kool & The Gang on a continual basis.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Holy crap it has gone from Ground Zero mosque to Triumph Mosque?

truly sad. I suppose people believe they will have replicas of planes sticking out of the side of the building too? Have a list of names of all the infidels they managed to off that day?

Seriously warped thinking going on over this building.