My Son Thinks He's The Next Eminem (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

The only way a white rapper can work is if they are rapping about experiences they actuall have been through.Since he is from a suburb in minnesota rapping about inner city life won't fly.Does he smoke a lot of herb or do any drugs he can rap about? Does he have sex with lots of females and possibly get them to strip in clubs and give him a cut? Something along those lines he could sell if he's actually lived it. Even spending a night in the drunk tank or getting a possession citation would give him a little cred in the rap community.The church rapper is actually hitting up a good market, maybe he could do something like that.Bottom line he has to rap about what he knows, and people have to be interested in hearing about those experiences. Moving into a double wide in inner city detroit is actually a decent idea as it would allow him to have some hood type experiences to rap about.Rap fans want to hear about drugs, hoes, guns, fights, etc. Your boy needs to start living that life if he wants to make it.

White rappers can make it without being hardcore, in fact I think they shouldn't even try. Kid Rock started out as rapper from the suburbs and didn't have to pretend to be from the hood in his lyrics. There are plenty of other white rappers (Sage Francis for example) who don't have to resort to pretending to be a murdering drug dealer.

 

[cstu]

Nobody has a thought on him stealing another guys' name? I see that as a big problem that is easily correctable now but less so later. He couldn't do a simple google search on the name? Wtf?

That doesn't make me think he's serious about the business. I highly recommend him choosing a name that has absolutely no reference to him being white.

 

[seahawk 17]

That song was not to bad, at this point I say get behind him and see how far he can take it. Also, try to tie school into it. If he has a passion for music, even if the rapping does not pan out he can work in the music business.

 

[El Floppo]

But lol- I think I'm going to start a new rock band called Purl Jam. I've been using that name for years now (inside my head) so it's cool to throw it out there. Does he have to be so... dumb... about this? Is Dum Wyte taken?

 

[Colts-Freak]

Very basic lyrically. To me he was rhyming basic words. As a white rapper he has to stand out in some way like how Eminem is known for rhyming words that aren't supposed to rhyme. The mountain he needs to climb is 2x that of a black mans. That said, I don't see a future there but not as bad as I expected. Tell the kid to get a job and work at this on the side in his free time as if it's a hobby. First thing he needs is a demo with at least 5 or 6 songs that are professionally produced in a studio. Most rappers start out via mixtapes. Often times they are rhyming over another popular songs beat. Tell him to start there. Good luck.

 

[Colts-Freak]

Oh the name is horrible by the way....the fact that someone else already has it is embarrassing IMO. Pick a new name stat!

 

[PinkydaPimp]

The only way a white rapper can work is if they are rapping about experiences they actuall have been through.Since he is from a suburb in minnesota rapping about inner city life won't fly.Does he smoke a lot of herb or do any drugs he can rap about? Does he have sex with lots of females and possibly get them to strip in clubs and give him a cut? Something along those lines he could sell if he's actually lived it. Even spending a night in the drunk tank or getting a possession citation would give him a little cred in the rap community.The church rapper is actually hitting up a good market, maybe he could do something like that.Bottom line he has to rap about what he knows, and people have to be interested in hearing about those experiences. Moving into a double wide in inner city detroit is actually a decent idea as it would allow him to have some hood type experiences to rap about.Rap fans want to hear about drugs, hoes, guns, fights, etc. Your boy needs to start living that life if he wants to make it.

White rappers can make it without being hardcore, in fact I think they shouldn't even try. Kid Rock started out as rapper from the suburbs and didn't have to pretend to be from the hood in his lyrics. There are plenty of other white rappers (Sage Francis for example) who don't have to resort to pretending to be a murdering drug dealer.

agreed. he just needs to be himself. White rappers that try to hard to portray some gangster persona never work. Eminem was so well received because he was always himself. Yelawolf will be the next big thing and look at him. hes just a skater dude from Alabama doing him.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Oh the name is horrible by the way....the fact that someone else already has it is embarrassing IMO. Pick a new name stat!

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Nobody has a thought on him stealing another guys' name? I see that as a big problem that is easily correctable now but less so later. He couldn't do a simple google search on the name? Wtf?

That doesn't make me think he's serious about the business. I highly recommend him choosing a name that has absolutely no reference to him being white.

He's got to change the name.A) His name is his brand. Being too lazy or dumb to even research his name choice is worrisome. I mean, the other rapper using that name even spells it exactly the same way. B) If I were to join the circus and become a clown, I'm sure as heck not going to name myself 'Red Nosed Clown Guy'. The name he picked is way too obvious and lame. ...That's why some dillhole from Ohio is already using it.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Have him battle my boy Stackdoe. Once Stacks gets ahold of him, he'll send his ### back to collage.

 

[footballaa]

You got some of his music to share?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

You got some of his music to share?

Just search on Youtube.

 

[Johnny Rock]

You got some of his music to share?

Link is in post 282 I believe. If you search you'll find the other dudes' stuff. Should have another song or two soon.

 

[Godsbrother]

I think it is awful so it should do very well because I hate just about everything on the radio these days.

 

[shader]

I couldn't wait to laugh at this, but his voice isn't half bad. The mixing was horrible and the song wasn't great, but he has a pretty decent voice.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Awful

 

[Johnny Rock]

Second song Rap Tour is actually one of his friends (and cousin of B-Boy who did the beat on the first song) who started the song with the first few verses and got stuck. YW (son) Featuring B-Boy added the last verse to complete the song. YW comes in at about 2:14 for reference.

The kid in the car in the pic is Word Man. Son had no control over that since it's not his song.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=uZN9zogZmeY

 

[offdee]

Second song Rap Tour is actually one of his friends (and cousin of B-Boy who did the beat on the first song) who started the song with the first few verses and got stuck. YW (son) Featuring B-Boy added the last verse to complete the song. YW comes in at about 2:14 for reference.

The kid in the car in the pic is Word Man. Son had no control over that since it's not his song.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=uZN9zogZmeY

The sound is terrible.....can't understand anything they're saying, all scratchy and drowned out (seems especially bad for your son's part after 2:14)

 

[Dr. Awesome]

He still hasn't changed his name?

 

[Zow]

Two points on Minnesota:

1. The religious music scene in Minnesota is huge. I recall going into a huge store dedicated solely to crappy religious rock or whatever. Have him learn from South Park and start switching "God" in his lyrics call for "#####" and he may have something.

2. I went to a MIAC school filled with 99 percent upper middle class white kids. Every weekend we'd have student performers at the on-campus club or whatever. He is probably good enough to get up there and be that school's Asher Roth. Heck, he'd get laid often and get a great education. Win-win to me.

 

[Johnny Rock]

He still hasn't changed his name?

We had a 10 minute converation about this the other night. His response was:1) All the names are taken. Seriously. 2) Every name has about 10 people using it.I told him some of the advice was from my online buddies too; that not only is it dumb to copy another name but to lose any reference to Wyte as well. He seemed to get it a little by the end but still seems pretty adamant.

 

[Johnny Rock]

Two points on Minnesota:1. The religious music scene in Minnesota is huge. I recall going into a huge store dedicated solely to crappy religious rock or whatever. Have him learn from South Park and start switching "God" in his lyrics call for "#####" and he may have something. 2. I went to a MIAC school filled with 99 percent upper middle class white kids. Every weekend we'd have student performers at the on-campus club or whatever. He is probably good enough to get up there and be that school's Asher Roth. Heck, he'd get laid often and get a great education. Win-win to me.

One of his friends that he records with is now a Christian Rapper after seeing the light.I don't see son going that route as it's pretty clear he wants to be a gangsta rapper. I mentioned what one of you guys said about how there's a move away from the gangsta lyrics among the up and coming white, privileged background, college educated rappers. He said he knew that. As you can imagine, he talks pretty "normal" around here for the most part. It will no doubt be interesting to see how he's received by the brothers if he tries to talk like a black kid in conversation in a club or at a show.

 

[Facecow]

Two points on Minnesota:

1. The religious music scene in Minnesota is huge. I recall going into a huge store dedicated solely to crappy religious rock or whatever. Have him learn from South Park and start switching "God" in his lyrics call for "#####" and he may have something.

2. I went to a MIAC school filled with 99 percent upper middle class white kids. Every weekend we'd have student performers at the on-campus club or whatever. He is probably good enough to get up there and be that school's Asher Roth. Heck, he'd get laid often and get a great education. Win-win to me.

That would be quite the 180. "Rather than battle-rap in Detroit, I've decided to buy a sweater, become a Johnny, and use my rap skillz to nail chunky girls from Edina".Mind you, I'm not saying it's bad idea.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I regards to his name....

Tell him you told all your white friends and you all think it's the best name ever. Tell him you think it is awesome or some other word you normally use. Telling him the truth ie: it stinks only cemented his decision to use it.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Tell him to stop helping Word Man with his garbage music.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Two points on Minnesota:

1. The religious music scene in Minnesota is huge. I recall going into a huge store dedicated solely to crappy religious rock or whatever. Have him learn from South Park and start switching "God" in his lyrics call for "#####" and he may have something.

2. I went to a MIAC school filled with 99 percent upper middle class white kids. Every weekend we'd have student performers at the on-campus club or whatever. He is probably good enough to get up there and be that school's Asher Roth. Heck, he'd get laid often and get a great education. Win-win to me.

One of his friends that he records with is now a Christian Rapper after seeing the light.I don't see son going that route as it's pretty clear he wants to be a gangsta rapper. I mentioned what one of you guys said about how there's a move away from the gangsta lyrics among the up and coming white, privileged background, college educated rappers. He said he knew that.

As you can imagine, he talks pretty "normal" around here for the most part. It will no doubt be interesting to see how he's received by the brothers if he tries to talk like a black kid in conversation in a club or at a show.

i cant imagine he will be received well. No one likes a faker and they are easy to spot. He should really be himself. Otherwise i can see this backfiring on him.

 

[shadyridr]

He actually has a pretty nice flow and a great voice. His lyrics need ALOT of help. Honestly after listening to his two songs I was expecting MUCH worse. I wouldnt give up on his dream if I were him but have a backup plan.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Tell him to stop helping Word Man with his garbage music.

 

[cstu]

One of his friends that he records with is now a Christian Rapper after seeing the light.

Realized he couldn't make it in the real rap world?

 

[(HULK)]

He should rap about being a suburban kid. Lattes at Starbucks and such. Untapped market. He could be the non-threatening Justin Bieber of rap. It would actually be refreshing to see some rap that isn't of the gangsta variety... rap used to be fun in it's roots.

Concur on name change.

 

[cstu]

1. The religious music scene in Minnesota is huge. I recall going into a huge store dedicated solely to crappy religious rock or whatever. Have him learn from South Park and start switching "God" in his lyrics call for "#####" and he may have something.

Great idea, he can now go by the name "
".

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I listen to hip-hop some, and he's not very good.

But he's young, and maybe he'll get better, but there's no reason he needs to try and make a living off this. I'd tell him to go to school and perfect his craft.

 

[shadyridr]

He should rap about being a suburban kid. Lattes at Starbucks and such. Untapped market. He could be the non-threatening Justin Bieber of rap. It would actually be refreshing to see some rap that isn't of the gangsta variety... rap used to be fun in it's roots.

Concur on name change.

The 90's called... Things have changed

 

[(HULK)]

He should rap about being a suburban kid. Lattes at Starbucks and such. Untapped market. He could be the non-threatening Justin Bieber of rap. It would actually be refreshing to see some rap that isn't of the gangsta variety... rap used to be fun in it's roots.

Concur on name change.

The 90's called... Things have changed

Things always change, and things cycle in and out. Fun rap will come back again. Since this kid is 1,000s of hours away from being a really good rapper, his skill might peak around the time that becomes hot again. If he chases what is hot today, he'll fail spectacularly.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

I would tell him that if he really wants to make it, to equally focus on the production/behind the scene aspects of the music as well as the actual artist part. You want to give yourself the best chance to get noticed and if you are able to produce your own beats etc. as well as put out strong lyrics than you have a much better chance. A lot of new rappers these days aren't just coming out as lyricists, they are students of the music, drawing inspiration from a variety of sources i.e. jazz, classical, rock, indie etc.

The best chance to get noticed these days is to use social networking sites and youtube, if you are good than people will find you if you get your stuff out there. But it can't just be rapping over a generic beat, you need to create videos and great sound mixes. All it takes the song to get played at one frat party these days because someone thought it was cool and it will avalanche from there.

Here is a kid who is basically just out of high school, got his music out there by creating these videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnAbszcy3bs,

.There are thousands of incredible lyricists out there who never make it big because that's really only half the game. Your son honestly doesn't show a ton of lyrical talent but he is young and just beginning. He needs to rap about what he knows because right now it sounds exactly like it is, a suburban white kid trying to sound tough. He has to be able to market himself, get his name out there, learn the production and stop rapping behind cheap sounding beats. The best way to get your name out there is to start getting booked for college parties etc. Right now they are driving forces behind alot of the new artists coming out. Mike Posner used to rap/sing at parties while he was at Duke and then other schools caught on etc, and this summer he had a top 10 hit on the radio.

 

[shadyridr]

He should rap about being a suburban kid. Lattes at Starbucks and such. Untapped market. He could be the non-threatening Justin Bieber of rap. It would actually be refreshing to see some rap that isn't of the gangsta variety... rap used to be fun in it's roots.

Concur on name change.

The 90's called... Things have changed

Things always change, and things cycle in and out. Fun rap will come back again. Since this kid is 1,000s of hours away from being a really good rapper, his skill might peak around the time that becomes hot again. If he chases what is hot today, he'll fail spectacularly.

woosh? Im saying gangsta rap isnt really in anymore

 

[cstu]

He should rap about being a suburban kid. Lattes at Starbucks and such. Untapped market. He could be the non-threatening Justin Bieber of rap. It would actually be refreshing to see some rap that isn't of the gangsta variety... rap used to be fun in it's roots.

Concur on name change.

The 90's called... Things have changed

Things always change, and things cycle in and out. Fun rap will come back again. Since this kid is 1,000s of hours away from being a really good rapper, his skill might peak around the time that becomes hot again. If he chases what is hot today, he'll fail spectacularly.

Check this guy out - Evil Eddie - Queensland

His former group was Butterfingers who had some great songs. No need for white rappers to be gangsta.

 

[(HULK)]

He should rap about being a suburban kid. Lattes at Starbucks and such. Untapped market. He could be the non-threatening Justin Bieber of rap. It would actually be refreshing to see some rap that isn't of the gangsta variety... rap used to be fun in it's roots.

Concur on name change.

The 90's called... Things have changed

Things always change, and things cycle in and out. Fun rap will come back again. Since this kid is 1,000s of hours away from being a really good rapper, his skill might peak around the time that becomes hot again. If he chases what is hot today, he'll fail spectacularly.

woosh? Im saying gangsta rap isnt really in anymore

Definitely whooshed.All I'm saying is pretending to be hard isn't going to help this kid.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

He's no Earl Sweatshirt.

 

[Zow]

Two points on Minnesota:

1. The religious music scene in Minnesota is huge. I recall going into a huge store dedicated solely to crappy religious rock or whatever. Have him learn from South Park and start switching "God" in his lyrics call for "#####" and he may have something.

2. I went to a MIAC school filled with 99 percent upper middle class white kids. Every weekend we'd have student performers at the on-campus club or whatever. He is probably good enough to get up there and be that school's Asher Roth. Heck, he'd get laid often and get a great education. Win-win to me.

That would be quite the 180. "Rather than battle-rap in Detroit, I've decided to buy a sweater, become a Johnny, and use my rap skillz to nail chunky girls from Edina".Mind you, I'm not saying it's bad idea.

Dude could rock Sexton on a Friday night. And the white rapper "badboy" niche is always ready to be filled.

 

[Battles]

He's trying to hard to sound gangsta. He's imitating what he thinks he should sound like instead of producing his own sound.

I'd take him to the worst neighborhood you can find. Drop him off with no money or phone, and let him soak in the ambiance. Rinse and repeat till he becomes a rapper or gives up.

 

[shadyridr]

He's trying to hard to sound gangsta. He's imitating what he thinks he should sound like instead of producing his own sound. I'd take him to the worst neighborhood you can find. Drop him off with no money or phone, and let him soak in the ambiance. Rinse and repeat till he becomes a rapper or gives up.

Umm isnt that what his son wants to do by moving into a trailer in Detroit?

 

[drpill]

Honestly, I think he's terrible. I'm genuinely surprised people are giving him props for this dreck. There are probably a million white kids out there that can rap this badly, and nothing he's doing in these songs sets him apart in any way. He badly needs some kind of original shtick, and thousands of hours of practice.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Second song Rap Tour is actually one of his friends (and cousin of B-Boy who did the beat on the first song) who started the song with the first few verses and got stuck. YW (son) Featuring B-Boy added the last verse to complete the song. YW comes in at about 2:14 for reference.

The kid in the car in the pic is Word Man. Son had no control over that since it's not his song.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=uZN9zogZmeY

This reminds me of early 90's cheesy non-gangsta rap.

 

[Otis]

He still hasn't changed his name?

We had a 10 minute converation about this the other night. His response was:1) All the names are taken. Seriously.

2) Every name has about 10 people using it.



I told him some of the advice was from my online buddies too; that not only is it dumb to copy another name but to lose any reference to Wyte as well. He seemed to get it a little by the end but still seems pretty adamant.

Great way to lend credibility to an otherwise absurd conversation

 

[Otis]

Two points on Minnesota:1. The religious music scene in Minnesota is huge. I recall going into a huge store dedicated solely to crappy religious rock or whatever. Have him learn from South Park and start switching "God" in his lyrics call for "#####" and he may have something. 2. I went to a MIAC school filled with 99 percent upper middle class white kids. Every weekend we'd have student performers at the on-campus club or whatever. He is probably good enough to get up there and be that school's Asher Roth. Heck, he'd get laid often and get a great education. Win-win to me.

One of his friends that he records with is now a Christian Rapper after seeing the light.I don't see son going that route as it's pretty clear he wants to be a gangsta rapper. I mentioned what one of you guys said about how there's a move away from the gangsta lyrics among the up and coming white, privileged background, college educated rappers. He said he knew that. As you can imagine, he talks pretty "normal" around here for the most part. It will no doubt be interesting to see how he's received by the brothers if he tries to talk like a black kid in conversation in a club or at a show.

Send him to Brooklyn. I'll hook him up with some of my wife's high school students. He'll tuck tail and be home to you by supper

 

[Otis]

Honestly, I think he's terrible. I'm genuinely surprised people are giving him props for this dreck. There are probably a million white kids out there that can rap this badly, and nothing he's doing in these songs sets him apart in any way. He badly needs some kind of original shtick, and thousands of hours of practice.

Sadly, Wife teaches at a high school in Brooklyn. She doesn't have a single white student through all six classes. Many of her students live in the projects. They rap in the hallways and stuff. She sort of chuckled when I played this for her.I just cannot imagine a white upper-middle suburban teenage gangsta rapper catching on anywhere, period.I WILL BUST YA WITH MAH GAT (Gotta buy one first and ask my mom for the allowance)AND THEN I GET MY HOES (I asked Sarah Schleckman to the prom, and she sort of said no first, but then said yes, so we're gonna car pool with my friend James and his girlfriend Tina, so long as James's dad lets him borrow the car)AND COMIN ATCHU LIKE A BRUTE (In gym class the other day I benched 135 pounds, I'm thinking about maybe going out for varsity wrestling)SELLIN DOPE IN THE HOOD (I sold my friend Nelson some old Xbox games, and they were old editions anyway, like one of the earlier Call of Duty games, so I took a small loss on them, but I was able to use it for some newer games, so that was cool):facepalm:

 

[Johnny Rock]

He's trying to hard to sound gangsta. He's imitating what he thinks he should sound like instead of producing his own sound. I'd take him to the worst neighborhood you can find. Drop him off with no money or phone, and let him soak in the ambiance. Rinse and repeat till he becomes a rapper or gives up.

Umm isnt that what his son wants to do by moving into a trailer in Detroit?

The trailer is in a dinky town outside our small town owned by a friends aunt. The Detroit thing was just Detroit.

 

[Johnny Rock]

Two points on Minnesota:1. The religious music scene in Minnesota is huge. I recall going into a huge store dedicated solely to crappy religious rock or whatever. Have him learn from South Park and start switching "God" in his lyrics call for "#####" and he may have something. 2. I went to a MIAC school filled with 99 percent upper middle class white kids. Every weekend we'd have student performers at the on-campus club or whatever. He is probably good enough to get up there and be that school's Asher Roth. Heck, he'd get laid often and get a great education. Win-win to me.

One of his friends that he records with is now a Christian Rapper after seeing the light.I don't see son going that route as it's pretty clear he wants to be a gangsta rapper. I mentioned what one of you guys said about how there's a move away from the gangsta lyrics among the up and coming white, privileged background, college educated rappers. He said he knew that. As you can imagine, he talks pretty "normal" around here for the most part. It will no doubt be interesting to see how he's received by the brothers if he tries to talk like a black kid in conversation in a club or at a show.

Send him to Brooklyn. I'll hook him up with some of my wife's high school students. He'll tuck tail and be home to you by supper

This would be a hell of a TV show.I'm starting to wonder if I should show him this thread. Maybe give it more time then do that.

 

[No. 16]

He sucks.

However, if you have the cash to spend just hire Kanye/Dr. Dre/Neptunes etc to produce a song for him and auto-tune it and it'll get air play for sure.