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NBA BTTF IV - LEAGUE ID: 53356 (1 Viewer)

this is the biggest c #### ever
you just wait
we should do this with a league that matters, like an all time wis
Auction only works if scarcity is a big element. All-time leagues don't have enough talent drop off for overbidding to happen.

BTTF uncertainty also enters in to it. I'm waiting for somebody's $100 player to miss half the season,
I'm waiting for it never it work

 
The only rule I don't like is the five players cap. If I can win seven players with my $100, why wouldn't I get all of them?
My reason for that rule was to control damage for owners who screw up their auction. Still, if you get five players with cash left over, you'll be in a better draft position for round 4, which might be a bigger advantage than a sixth bargain player from the auction.

 
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Draft order: The draft will resume after the 72 players are auctioned. Draft order will be determined by the amount of funds remaining in a team's auction budget. Tie breaker for draft order will be by dice roll.

Compensation pick mini-draft. The draft will be halted temporarily after round #5 to allow teams that bought less than three players in the auction rounds to fill out a starting five. This will be a snake draft following the same order above. Every team will enter round #6 will between five and seven players. Teams with seven players after round #5 will give up their #6 and #7 rounders. Teams with six players will give up the #6 rounder. Everybody's rosters will have the same number of players beginning in round #8 (assuming no trades).
Clarification needed on draft order: Is it a snake draft immediately after round 4?
Auction first 72 players

Snake draft starting at 4.01 through 5.24. Draft order set by funds remaining & dice rolls.

Compensation mini draft to fill out rosters of teams who bought less than 3 players in the auction. Uses same draft order from round 4. We could also re-randomize this phase :shrug:

Resume snake draft for 6.01 through 18.24. Teams who bought more than 3 players in the auction lose picks in rounds 6/7.
I'm having trouble running my head through the draft compensation part. What if you end the auction with 0 players won?

Does that mean you will have 5 picks in "rounds 4 and 5"?

Some examples:

- If Team A ends the auction period with 0 players bid on and Team B ends with 5 players won, does that mean Team A gets 5 draft picks in "Rounds 4 and 5" and Team B will wait until Round 6 to draft?

- If Team A ends the auction with 0 players and Team B ends the auction with 3 players, how many players does Team A get to pick before Team B picks ?

- If Team A ends the auction with 0 players and Team B ends with 2 players, how many players does Team A get to pick before Team B picks?

Basically, when does the draft order cycle back if teams have different number of players? Does the compensation rounds work something like:

1) All teams with 0 players pick - Order based on most money left after auction.

2) All team with 1 player (auctioned or drafted) pick. - Order based on most money left after auction.

3) All teams with 2 players (auctioned or drafted) pick. - Order based on most money left after auction.

4) All teams with 3 players (auctioned or drafted) pick - Order based on most money left after auction.

5) All teams with 4 players (auctioned or drafted) pick. - Order based on most money left after auction.

Or am I completely off? If I am, I think the way I described is the fairest way.

 
First off, I don't think even David Kahn could manage to go 0 for 72 in the auction phase.

Round 1-3 (equivalent) are auction

Rounds 4-5 are normal rounds. This is important because there's good value here since the auction pool is based on Yahoo fantasy rankings, not sim value.

Round 5a is the make up round for teams with less than five players after round 5

Round 6-7 are normal except for teams with more than five players after round 5

It's sounds more complicated than it really is. It'll all be clear when everyone has their slots set on the draft sheet after the auction phase.

Right now, all you have to worry about are the top 72 players per Yahoo and how much of your budget you want to throw at the top six (A. Davis, Curry, Harden, James, Westbrook and Durant)

 
First off, I don't think even David Kahn could manage to go 0 for 72 in the auction phase.

Round 1-3 (equivalent) are auction

Rounds 4-5 are normal rounds. This is important because there's good value here since the auction pool is based on Yahoo fantasy rankings, not sim value.

Round 5a is the make up round for teams with less than five players after round 5

Round 6-7 are normal except for teams with more than five players after round 5

It's sounds more complicated than it really is. It'll all be clear when everyone has their slots set on the draft sheet after the auction phase.

Right now, all you have to worry about are the top 72 players per Yahoo and how much of your budget you want to throw at the top six (A. Davis, Curry, Harden, James, Westbrook and Durant)
Say by choice you end up winning 0 players. Do you get 3 picks in rounds 4 or 5? Do you get the first 3 picks? Etc.

 
First off, I don't think even David Kahn could manage to go 0 for 72 in the auction phase.

Round 1-3 (equivalent) are auction

Rounds 4-5 are normal rounds. This is important because there's good value here since the auction pool is based on Yahoo fantasy rankings, not sim value.

Round 5a is the make up round for teams with less than five players after round 5

Round 6-7 are normal except for teams with more than five players after round 5

It's sounds more complicated than it really is. It'll all be clear when everyone has their slots set on the draft sheet after the auction phase.

Right now, all you have to worry about are the top 72 players per Yahoo and how much of your budget you want to throw at the top six (A. Davis, Curry, Harden, James, Westbrook and Durant)
Say by choice you end up winning 0 players. Do you get 3 picks in rounds 4 or 5? Do you get the first 3 picks? Etc.
you'd get 4.01 (#73), 5.24 (#120) and three picks from the makeup round after round 5 (#120+). It's a worse strategy than bidding $100 on a single player.

 
First off, I don't think even David Kahn could manage to go 0 for 72 in the auction phase.

Round 1-3 (equivalent) are auction

Rounds 4-5 are normal rounds. This is important because there's good value here since the auction pool is based on Yahoo fantasy rankings, not sim value.

Round 5a is the make up round for teams with less than five players after round 5

Round 6-7 are normal except for teams with more than five players after round 5

It's sounds more complicated than it really is. It'll all be clear when everyone has their slots set on the draft sheet after the auction phase.

Right now, all you have to worry about are the top 72 players per Yahoo and how much of your budget you want to throw at the top six (A. Davis, Curry, Harden, James, Westbrook and Durant)
Say by choice you end up winning 0 players. Do you get 3 picks in rounds 4 or 5? Do you get the first 3 picks? Etc.
you'd get 4.01 (#73), 5.24 (#120) and three picks from the makeup round after round 5 (#120+). It's a worse strategy than bidding $100 on a single player.
Gotcha.

Not the fairest way to deal with compensation picks, but since I don't have to keep track of this mess I'll gladly play along.

At least I know what my strategy will be now.

 
This is a great time to be out of town, on the west coast, with nothing but meetings and then dinners and then drinking and then coming in here super late and drunk and trying to figure out what's going on. I have no idea. I can't wait.

I'll make the playoffs anyway.

 
I think the prioritized bidding and the order players are awarded might cause some issues to whoever has to track this. might want to do a test run with the top 6 players to see what kind of problems pop up.

 
suppose my bids look like this:

1. LBJ $80

2. Brow $80

and another team's bids look like this:

1. Brow $75

2. LBJ $79

and a 3rd team has:

1. LBJ $78

2. Brow $77

who would win each player? It would all depend on which player was awarded first if I'm looking at this correctly. Add in 4 more players and 21 more teams with prioritized bids and this could get tricky to track.

people need to be very aware of the order players will be awarded. In this case, I have the high bid for my #1 player, but that's not who I'd end up with.

 
suppose my bids look like this:

1. LBJ $80

2. Brow $80

and another team's bids look like this:

1. Brow $75

2. LBJ $79

and a 3rd team has:

1. LBJ $78

2. Brow $77

who would win each player? It would all depend on which player was awarded first if I'm looking at this correctly. Add in 4 more players and 21 more teams with prioritized bids and this could get tricky to track.

people need to be very aware of the order players will be awarded. In this case, I have the high bid for my #1 player, but that's not who I'd end up with.
Here's what I'd expect:

Find the highest dollar amount on the "1" line across the 24 entries.

Award that player (unless the person can't afford them).

Cross that player off all lists.

--Repeat--

Players that were #2 will now be on the #1 line for many people. In your example:

Lebron goes to team #1 for $80.

Cross off all LeBron bids (so Davis is now the #1 line for all three teams).

Davis goes to team #1, but they can't afford him. Find next highest bid.

Davis goes to team #3 for $77.

 
Player pool & rankings: I propose using Yahoo Fantasy rankings to select the players up for bid each day. 14-15 WIS salaries won't include rookies and ESPN #NBARank hasn't been published yet.

Auction schedule: Three rounds worth of players (72) will be auctioned.

Day 1: 6 players (Davis, Curry, Harden, James, Westbrook and Durant)

Day 2: 6 players (Paul, Irving, Leonard, Horford and Lillard)

Day 3: 12 players (C. Anthony, Butler, K. Thompson, Wall, Aldridge, Millsap, Ibaka, Love, Griffin, Lowry, George, Vucevic)

Day 4: 12 players (Gobert, Jordan, Dray. Green, Conley, Whiteside, M. Gasol, P. Gasol, B. Lopez, Bledsoe, Oladipo, Jefferson, Holliday)

Day 5: 12 players (Lawson, Nowitzki, Teague, Drummond, Bosh, G. Dragic, Gay, Duncan, Hayward, Noel, T. Harris, Payton)

Day 6: 24 players (Ariza, Matthews, Batum, Knight, Faried, Ellis, Korver, Antetokounmpo, Dan. Green, G. Hill, Favors, Carroll, Monroe, Middleton, Howard, Rubio, K. Walker, Randolph, Wade, Bryant, Rose, Parsons, Towns, Chandler)
Yahoo link? can't find it, or more likely it's blocked at work. Also I assume Boogie is the 6th player on day 2?

 
suppose my bids look like this:

1. LBJ $80

2. Brow $80

and another team's bids look like this:

1. Brow $75

2. LBJ $79

and a 3rd team has:

1. LBJ $78

2. Brow $77

who would win each player? It would all depend on which player was awarded first if I'm looking at this correctly. Add in 4 more players and 21 more teams with prioritized bids and this could get tricky to track.

people need to be very aware of the order players will be awarded. In this case, I have the high bid for my #1 player, but that's not who I'd end up with.
Here's what I'd expect:

Find the highest dollar amount on the "1" line across the 24 entries.

Award that player (unless the person can't afford them).

Cross that player off all lists.

--Repeat--

Players that were #2 will now be on the #1 line for many people. In your example:

Lebron goes to team #1 for $80.

Cross off all LeBron bids (so Davis is now the #1 line for all three teams).

Davis goes to team #1, but they can't afford him. Find next highest bid.

Davis goes to team #3 for $77.
That's incorrect...all the priority is for is if you have the high bid for 2 ballers to know which one to give you first. So basically everyone's bid for the first 6 guys will get looked at the same time. The high bidder for each of the six will get them. The priority only comes into play if say I win both LBJ and 'Brow to know which one I want. So lets say I have LBJ 1, I'd get him with the #2 bidder for 'Brow then getting him. Rinse, repeat.

 
Player pool & rankings: I propose using Yahoo Fantasy rankings to select the players up for bid each day. 14-15 WIS salaries won't include rookies and ESPN #NBARank hasn't been published yet.

Auction schedule: Three rounds worth of players (72) will be auctioned.

Day 1: 6 players (Davis, Curry, Harden, James, Westbrook and Durant)

Day 2: 6 players (Paul, Irving, Leonard, Horford and Lillard)

Day 3: 12 players (C. Anthony, Butler, K. Thompson, Wall, Aldridge, Millsap, Ibaka, Love, Griffin, Lowry, George, Vucevic)

Day 4: 12 players (Gobert, Jordan, Dray. Green, Conley, Whiteside, M. Gasol, P. Gasol, B. Lopez, Bledsoe, Oladipo, Jefferson, Holliday)

Day 5: 12 players (Lawson, Nowitzki, Teague, Drummond, Bosh, G. Dragic, Gay, Duncan, Hayward, Noel, T. Harris, Payton)

Day 6: 24 players (Ariza, Matthews, Batum, Knight, Faried, Ellis, Korver, Antetokounmpo, Dan. Green, G. Hill, Favors, Carroll, Monroe, Middleton, Howard, Rubio, K. Walker, Randolph, Wade, Bryant, Rose, Parsons, Towns, Chandler)
Yahoo link? can't find it, or more likely it's blocked at work. Also I assume Boogie is the 6th player on day 2?
Yeah, Cousins...I think this is it: https://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/draftanalysis?pos=ALL

 
suppose my bids look like this:

1. LBJ $80

2. Brow $80

and another team's bids look like this:

1. Brow $75

2. LBJ $79

and a 3rd team has:

1. LBJ $78

2. Brow $77

who would win each player? It would all depend on which player was awarded first if I'm looking at this correctly. Add in 4 more players and 21 more teams with prioritized bids and this could get tricky to track.

people need to be very aware of the order players will be awarded. In this case, I have the high bid for my #1 player, but that's not who I'd end up with.
Here's what I'd expect:

Find the highest dollar amount on the "1" line across the 24 entries.

Award that player (unless the person can't afford them).

Cross that player off all lists.

--Repeat--

Players that were #2 will now be on the #1 line for many people. In your example:

Lebron goes to team #1 for $80.

Cross off all LeBron bids (so Davis is now the #1 line for all three teams).

Davis goes to team #1, but they can't afford him. Find next highest bid.

Davis goes to team #3 for $77.
That's incorrect...all the priority is for is if you have the high bid for 2 ballers to know which one to give you first. So basically everyone's bid for the first 6 guys will get looked at the same time. The high bidder for each of the six will get them. The priority only comes into play if say I win both LBJ and 'Brow to know which one I want. So lets say I have LBJ 1, I'd get him with the #2 bidder for 'Brow then getting him. Rinse, repeat.
This.

 
suppose my bids look like this:

1. LBJ $80

2. Brow $80

and another team's bids look like this:

1. Brow $75

2. LBJ $79

and a 3rd team has:

1. LBJ $78

2. Brow $77

who would win each player? It would all depend on which player was awarded first if I'm looking at this correctly. Add in 4 more players and 21 more teams with prioritized bids and this could get tricky to track.

people need to be very aware of the order players will be awarded. In this case, I have the high bid for my #1 player, but that's not who I'd end up with.
Here's what I'd expect:

Find the highest dollar amount on the "1" line across the 24 entries.

Award that player (unless the person can't afford them).

Cross that player off all lists.

--Repeat--

Players that were #2 will now be on the #1 line for many people. In your example:

Lebron goes to team #1 for $80.

Cross off all LeBron bids (so Davis is now the #1 line for all three teams).

Davis goes to team #1, but they can't afford him. Find next highest bid.

Davis goes to team #3 for $77.
The bids are processed in the order of the Yahoo rankings. Davis is #1 in Yahoo and James is #4.

So team A get Davis, team B would get Lebron and team C would get bupkis

 
Use case #1

Team A: 1. Davis 80, 2. Durant 80, 3. LeBron 100

Team B: 1. LeBron 85, 2. Davis 85, 3. Durant 70

Team C: 1. Davis 84, 2. LeBron 85, 3. Durant 86

Team A is saying they want Davis for 80 or Durant for 80. If they miss out on both, they'll pay 100 for LeBron. Based on what's stated above, the LeBron bid will actually be looked at first because it's the highest dollar amount...so ranking of players only matters for bids you make of the same amount.

Player assignments

- my earlier write up: Team B gets LeBron for 85 (highest bid on #1 priority list); Team C gets Davis for 84; Team A gets Durant for 80.

- process by highest bid, regardless of rank: Team A gets LeBron for 100, Team C gets Durant for 86, Team B gets Davis for 85 (nobody got their #1 priority)

 
suppose my bids look like this:

1. LBJ $80

2. Brow $80

and another team's bids look like this:

1. Brow $75

2. LBJ $79

and a 3rd team has:

1. LBJ $78

2. Brow $77

who would win each player? It would all depend on which player was awarded first if I'm looking at this correctly. Add in 4 more players and 21 more teams with prioritized bids and this could get tricky to track.

people need to be very aware of the order players will be awarded. In this case, I have the high bid for my #1 player, but that's not who I'd end up with.
Here's what I'd expect:

Find the highest dollar amount on the "1" line across the 24 entries.

Award that player (unless the person can't afford them).

Cross that player off all lists.

--Repeat--

Players that were #2 will now be on the #1 line for many people. In your example:

Lebron goes to team #1 for $80.

Cross off all LeBron bids (so Davis is now the #1 line for all three teams).

Davis goes to team #1, but they can't afford him. Find next highest bid.

Davis goes to team #3 for $77.
The bids are processed in the order of the Yahoo rankings. Davis is #1 in Yahoo and James is #4.

So team A get Davis, team B would get Lebron and team C would get bupkis
ok...so the priority doesn't matter at all. Everyone should submit their bids in the same order to match the Yahoo ranks. If you aren't interest in someone, bid $0.

 
what if I have Davis at 80 and Lebron at 80. other folks also have Davis at 80 so we roll the dice. I lose. If I am the high Lebron bid, do I get him?

 
Use case #1

Team A: 1. Davis 80, 2. Durant 80, 3. LeBron 100

Team B: 1. LeBron 85, 2. Davis 85, 3. Durant 70

Team C: 1. Davis 84, 2. LeBron 85, 3. Durant 86

Team A is saying they want Davis for 80 or Durant for 80. If they miss out on both, they'll pay 100 for LeBron. Based on what's stated above, the LeBron bid will actually be looked at first because it's the highest dollar amount...so ranking of players only matters for bids you make of the same amount.

Player assignments

- my earlier write up: Team B gets LeBron for 85 (highest bid on #1 priority list); Team C gets Davis for 84; Team A gets Durant for 80.

- process by highest bid, regardless of rank: Team A gets LeBron for 100, Team C gets Durant for 86, Team B gets Davis for 85 (nobody got their #1 priority)
That's not the way prioritization works.

The amount bid on a player doesn't affect the order in which bids are processed. The factors there are prioritization (where applicable) then Yahoo rankings.

The amount of money remaining in a team's budget only comes into play as the first tiebreaker in the case of two equivalent bids. But in this case, since its day one all three teams are assumed to have $100 left.

 
suppose my bids look like this:

1. LBJ $80

2. Brow $80

and another team's bids look like this:

1. Brow $75

2. LBJ $79

and a 3rd team has:

1. LBJ $78

2. Brow $77

who would win each player? It would all depend on which player was awarded first if I'm looking at this correctly. Add in 4 more players and 21 more teams with prioritized bids and this could get tricky to track.

people need to be very aware of the order players will be awarded. In this case, I have the high bid for my #1 player, but that's not who I'd end up with.
Here's what I'd expect:

Find the highest dollar amount on the "1" line across the 24 entries.

Award that player (unless the person can't afford them).

Cross that player off all lists.

--Repeat--

Players that were #2 will now be on the #1 line for many people. In your example:

Lebron goes to team #1 for $80.

Cross off all LeBron bids (so Davis is now the #1 line for all three teams).

Davis goes to team #1, but they can't afford him. Find next highest bid.

Davis goes to team #3 for $77.
The bids are processed in the order of the Yahoo rankings. Davis is #1 in Yahoo and James is #4.

So team A get Davis, team B would get Lebron and team C would get bupkis
ok...so the priority doesn't matter at all. Everyone should submit their bids in the same order to match the Yahoo ranks. If you aren't interest in someone, bid $0.
Yeah, maybe you should do it that way.

 
Bid prioritization is useful if you're bidding on multiple players but prefer the one sitting lower in the Yahoo rankings.

 
Let me change this so maybe we can show a better example.

Team A: 1. LeBron 80, 2. Durant 80, 3. Davis 80

Team B: 1. LeBron 85, 2. Davis 75, 3. Durant 70

Team C: 1. Davis 74, 2. LeBron 85, 3. Durant 79

Going in order, commish calculates for Davis 1st:

Team A has highest bid at 80, but would prefer Lebron or Durant. Second highest bid is Team B at 75 (but they prefer Lebron at 85). Third is team C at 74.

Commish looks at LeBron 2nd:

Team B has him at 85, as does Team C, but C prefers Davis at 74. So, in order to determine Davis, first we need a roll off for LeBron. The loser on this roll actually gets Davis due to Team A's Durant priority (they would then not have enough cash for Davis as well).

Commish looks at Durant 3rd:

Team A has Durant at 80 for its second highest priority and Lebron has gone to B or C depending on roll-off. So they get Durant. They were also highest for Davis, but they preferred Durant.

This is as weird and cluster####ery as I can make it I think. Eephus, agree that is how we'd do it?

 
Let me change this so maybe we can show a better example.

Team A: 1. LeBron 80, 2. Durant 80, 3. Davis 80

Team B: 1. LeBron 85, 2. Davis 75, 3. Durant 70

Team C: 1. Davis 74, 2. LeBron 85, 3. Durant 79

Going in order, commish calculates for Davis 1st:

Team A has highest bid at 80, but would prefer Lebron or Durant. Second highest bid is Team B at 75 (but they prefer Lebron at 85). Third is team C at 74.

Commish looks at LeBron 2nd:

Team B has him at 85, as does Team C, but C prefers Davis at 74. So, in order to determine Davis, first we need a roll off for LeBron. The loser on this roll actually gets Davis due to Team A's Durant priority (they would then not have enough cash for Davis as well).

Commish looks at Durant 3rd:

Team A has Durant at 80 for its second highest priority and Lebron has gone to B or C depending on roll-off. So they get Durant. They were also highest for Davis, but they preferred Durant.

This is as weird and cluster####ery as I can make it I think. Eephus, agree that is how we'd do it?
:goodposting:

 
Working through that does make me think we will need a cut off time for dice rolls. If we don't get them by a certain time (10 am central?) Commish rolls for you.

 
Working through that does make me think we will need a cut off time for dice rolls. If we don't get them by a certain time (10 am central?) Commish rolls for you.
I was thinking the commish should just roll and publish any tiebreaker dice rolls when going through the bids at night. It's a random process and delaying the rolls until morning could have a bearing on the processing of subsequent bids.

 
Working through that does make me think we will need a cut off time for dice rolls. If we don't get them by a certain time (10 am central?) Commish rolls for you.
I was thinking the commish should just roll and publish any tiebreaker dice rolls when going through the bids at night. It's a random process and delaying the rolls until morning could have a bearing on the processing of subsequent bids.
Makes sense

 
Working through that does make me think we will need a cut off time for dice rolls. If we don't get them by a certain time (10 am central?) Commish rolls for you.
I was thinking the commish should just roll and publish any tiebreaker dice rolls when going through the bids at night. It's a random process and delaying the rolls until morning could have a bearing on the processing of subsequent bids.
Makes sense
Too much sense...

 
Working through that does make me think we will need a cut off time for dice rolls. If we don't get them by a certain time (10 am central?) Commish rolls for you.
I was thinking the commish should just roll and publish any tiebreaker dice rolls when going through the bids at night. It's a random process and delaying the rolls until morning could have a bearing on the processing of subsequent bids.
Makes sense
Too much sense...
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