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*** NEW ENGLAND v OAKLAND - GAME THREAD *** (1 Viewer)
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
??when did he have an opp to?
GreedoShotFirst
Footballguy
well, that's it. Goodnight ladies.
madviking10
Footballguy
My boss is playing against both Collins and Anderson in his first ever FF game.Someone in one of my leagues actually started Anderson. I'm not playing him, so it's
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
wrong - Plummer has a lot of mobility and makes fewer mistakes in the pocket.
Noahs Troopers
Footballguy
Janikowski was awful tonight.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Ugh.Keep the ball away from Branch.RUN THE BALL!!!
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
if you hit the ball first you can maim the kicker or the punterSo, you can run into a punter, but not a kicker?BLOCKED !!
Come on MOSS.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
exactly.i am beyond confident Collins will end the year as a top-10 QB and fairly confident he will be near or in the top-5Who was the #2 QB when Frerotte was QB? It wasn't Carter? And why do you keep bring up his completion numbers? I'm not saying hes a good NFL QB. I'm simply saying he'll put up amazing FF stats, and unless your league penalizes for incompletions, then 14/35 doesn't matter, but 250-2 with 3:00 left in the game does matter.And I believe Cunningham, George and Frerotte had an all-pro running back, and the #2 WR of all time on the same team. We'll find out about Culpepper. We know Collins blows EVEN WITH MOSS. 14/35 now.I've said this all offseason:Any average QB with Moss will be top 5.I disagree with the projection of collins from this site. Are you saying any QB in Oakland would be top 5?Does the situation dictate that I would be top 5 if I stepped in? I throw a mean nerf ball.The projections for this site you are posting on has Collins top five. You're flabbergasted by this? I think barring injury it is a certainty. Clearly Porter and Curry are not healthy tonight. When they are, you have one of the top recieving trios in the league, and Jordan who has proven he can catch passes. People don't like Collins, fine. His situation dictates elite stats.Collins had nowhere to go tonight but up. He had a great first half, and now NE is doing what they do to everybody. Does Manning suck because he gets eaten alive by the Pats? Give me a break. Collins might not be the greatest QB in the league, but with this offense he is top 5, it's that simple.
A late Cunningham with no legs was, Jeff George was, Culpepper was, Frerotte was, and Collins will be.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
That shot of Randy shaking his head on the sidelines will be repeated over and over again as the year goes on and on.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
NFL terms - maybe.Fantasy terms? They will have too many games with the lead to let Brady put up a lot of yardage after the 3rd quarter.So, you're saying Tom Brady - top 2?Who was the #2 QB when Frerotte was QB? It wasn't Carter? And why do you keep bring up his completion numbers? I'm not saying hes a good NFL QB. I'm simply saying he'll put up amazing FF stats, and unless your league penalizes for incompletions, then 14/35 doesn't matter, but 250-2 with 3:00 left in the game does matter.And I believe Cunningham, George and Frerotte had an all-pro running back, and the #2 WR of all time on the same team. We'll find out about Culpepper. We know Collins blows EVEN WITH MOSS. 14/35 now.I've said this all offseason:Any average QB with Moss will be top 5.I disagree with the projection of collins from this site. Are you saying any QB in Oakland would be top 5?Does the situation dictate that I would be top 5 if I stepped in? I throw a mean nerf ball.The projections for this site you are posting on has Collins top five. You're flabbergasted by this? I think barring injury it is a certainty. Clearly Porter and Curry are not healthy tonight. When they are, you have one of the top recieving trios in the league, and Jordan who has proven he can catch passes. People don't like Collins, fine. His situation dictates elite stats.
A late Cunningham with no legs was, Jeff George was, Culpepper was, Frerotte was, and Collins will be.
get your head in the FANTASY game b/c that is what is being discussed here.
ZJilla
Footballguy
I agree on top 10But 18/40 tells me a story that I don't think ends well. And, of the 9 leagues I'm in, ALL PUNISH FOR INTs. It's not like it's an exception to the rule, it's the rule.exactly.i am beyond confident Collins will end the year as a top-10 QB and fairly confident he will be near or in the top-5Who was the #2 QB when Frerotte was QB? It wasn't Carter? And why do you keep bring up his completion numbers? I'm not saying hes a good NFL QB. I'm simply saying he'll put up amazing FF stats, and unless your league penalizes for incompletions, then 14/35 doesn't matter, but 250-2 with 3:00 left in the game does matter.And I believe Cunningham, George and Frerotte had an all-pro running back, and the #2 WR of all time on the same team. We'll find out about Culpepper. We know Collins blows EVEN WITH MOSS. 14/35 now.I've said this all offseason:Any average QB with Moss will be top 5.I disagree with the projection of collins from this site. Are you saying any QB in Oakland would be top 5?Does the situation dictate that I would be top 5 if I stepped in? I throw a mean nerf ball.The projections for this site you are posting on has Collins top five. You're flabbergasted by this? I think barring injury it is a certainty. Clearly Porter and Curry are not healthy tonight. When they are, you have one of the top recieving trios in the league, and Jordan who has proven he can catch passes. People don't like Collins, fine. His situation dictates elite stats.
A late Cunningham with no legs was, Jeff George was, Culpepper was, Frerotte was, and Collins will be.
madviking10
Footballguy
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
99 yards for Branch!!!43 points against me today by three players (Sebastian, Branch, and Moss), but hey...IT COULD'VE BEEN WORSE!!!!
ZJilla
Footballguy
Are you watching this game?NFL terms - maybe.Fantasy terms? They will have too many games with the lead to let Brady put up a lot of yardage after the 3rd quarter.So, you're saying Tom Brady - top 2?Who was the #2 QB when Frerotte was QB? It wasn't Carter? And why do you keep bring up his completion numbers? I'm not saying hes a good NFL QB. I'm simply saying he'll put up amazing FF stats, and unless your league penalizes for incompletions, then 14/35 doesn't matter, but 250-2 with 3:00 left in the game does matter.And I believe Cunningham, George and Frerotte had an all-pro running back, and the #2 WR of all time on the same team. We'll find out about Culpepper. We know Collins blows EVEN WITH MOSS. 14/35 now.I've said this all offseason:Any average QB with Moss will be top 5.I disagree with the projection of collins from this site. Are you saying any QB in Oakland would be top 5?Does the situation dictate that I would be top 5 if I stepped in? I throw a mean nerf ball.The projections for this site you are posting on has Collins top five. You're flabbergasted by this? I think barring injury it is a certainty. Clearly Porter and Curry are not healthy tonight. When they are, you have one of the top recieving trios in the league, and Jordan who has proven he can catch passes. People don't like Collins, fine. His situation dictates elite stats.
A late Cunningham with no legs was, Jeff George was, Culpepper was, Frerotte was, and Collins will be.
get your head in the FANTASY game b/c that is what is being discussed here.
Jackal King
Footballguy
The game predictor
atriots 29.1 - Oakland 20.6.Pretty good.
atriots 29.1 - Oakland 20.6.Pretty good.
Wingnut
Footballguy
The Courtney Anderson owner in my league had to start him because Gates isnt playing week 1. He also has Collins.My boss is playing against both Collins and Anderson in his first ever FF game.Someone in one of my leagues actually started Anderson. I'm not playing him, so it's
Glad Im not playing him this week :whew:
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
I think some people are having trouble comprehending the fact that this has an effect on future performance.Throwing 3 TDs in the opening game is great for fantasy, but as your team goes down the ####ter, it tends to take the stats down with it.
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mojorizin
Guest
who's counting? I just mean a guy that will have huge weeks and will do enough stupid stuff to lay you an egg or two
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
How many INTs did he have tonight against the best defense at confusing a QB and forcing INTs?I agree on top 10But 18/40 tells me a story that I don't think ends well. And, of the 9 leagues I'm in, ALL PUNISH FOR INTs. It's not like it's an exception to the rule, it's the rule.exactly.i am beyond confident Collins will end the year as a top-10 QB and fairly confident he will be near or in the top-5Who was the #2 QB when Frerotte was QB? It wasn't Carter? And why do you keep bring up his completion numbers? I'm not saying hes a good NFL QB. I'm simply saying he'll put up amazing FF stats, and unless your league penalizes for incompletions, then 14/35 doesn't matter, but 250-2 with 3:00 left in the game does matter.And I believe Cunningham, George and Frerotte had an all-pro running back, and the #2 WR of all time on the same team. We'll find out about Culpepper. We know Collins blows EVEN WITH MOSS. 14/35 now.I've said this all offseason:Any average QB with Moss will be top 5.I disagree with the projection of collins from this site. Are you saying any QB in Oakland would be top 5?Does the situation dictate that I would be top 5 if I stepped in? I throw a mean nerf ball.The projections for this site you are posting on has Collins top five. You're flabbergasted by this? I think barring injury it is a certainty. Clearly Porter and Curry are not healthy tonight. When they are, you have one of the top recieving trios in the league, and Jordan who has proven he can catch passes. People don't like Collins, fine. His situation dictates elite stats.
A late Cunningham with no legs was, Jeff George was, Culpepper was, Frerotte was, and Collins will be.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
if Collins throws the ball near 40 times per game he will be a top-3 QB.it means they have to throw to stay in the game and it means he is throwing all game long - exactly what you want from a fantasy QB.I agree on top 10But 18/40 tells me a story that I don't think ends well. And, of the 9 leagues I'm in, ALL PUNISH FOR INTs. It's not like it's an exception to the rule, it's the rule.exactly.i am beyond confident Collins will end the year as a top-10 QB and fairly confident he will be near or in the top-5Who was the #2 QB when Frerotte was QB? It wasn't Carter? And why do you keep bring up his completion numbers? I'm not saying hes a good NFL QB. I'm simply saying he'll put up amazing FF stats, and unless your league penalizes for incompletions, then 14/35 doesn't matter, but 250-2 with 3:00 left in the game does matter.And I believe Cunningham, George and Frerotte had an all-pro running back, and the #2 WR of all time on the same team. We'll find out about Culpepper. We know Collins blows EVEN WITH MOSS. 14/35 now.I've said this all offseason:Any average QB with Moss will be top 5.I disagree with the projection of collins from this site. Are you saying any QB in Oakland would be top 5?Does the situation dictate that I would be top 5 if I stepped in? I throw a mean nerf ball.The projections for this site you are posting on has Collins top five. You're flabbergasted by this? I think barring injury it is a certainty. Clearly Porter and Curry are not healthy tonight. When they are, you have one of the top recieving trios in the league, and Jordan who has proven he can catch passes. People don't like Collins, fine. His situation dictates elite stats.
A late Cunningham with no legs was, Jeff George was, Culpepper was, Frerotte was, and Collins will be.
BTW, he doesn't face New England quality pass D's all year long. He faces a bunch of mediocre pass Ds and will more likely complete in the 60% range all year long against that type of competition.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I believe it was one fluke INT, correct?
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mojorizin
Guest
Its in Moss' contract that he has to have 73 % of all red zone targets/touches
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el-gato-grande
Footballguy
Randy was pissy in MIN and they won most of the time. A few more like this early and his head will literally explode.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Congrats Pats fans. :(
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Plummer was extraordinarily consistent last year and was the #5 fantasy QB by standard FBGuy stats.Not sure what your problem is with him in fantasy terms.
ZJilla
Footballguy
best defense? I don't think this is the same defense as last year even, and I don't think they led the league in INTs. 6-7 other teams have great secondary players. NEP lost one to the Jets, who were just as good as the Pats LAST year.How many INTs did he have tonight against the best defense at confusing a QB and forcing INTs?I agree on top 10exactly.Who was the #2 QB when Frerotte was QB? It wasn't Carter? And why do you keep bring up his completion numbers? I'm not saying hes a good NFL QB. I'm simply saying he'll put up amazing FF stats, and unless your league penalizes for incompletions, then 14/35 doesn't matter, but 250-2 with 3:00 left in the game does matter.And I believe Cunningham, George and Frerotte had an all-pro running back, and the #2 WR of all time on the same team.I've said this all offseason:I disagree with the projection of collins from this site. Are you saying any QB in Oakland would be top 5?Does the situation dictate that I would be top 5 if I stepped in? I throw a mean nerf ball.The projections for this site you are posting on has Collins top five. You're flabbergasted by this? I think barring injury it is a certainty. Clearly Porter and Curry are not healthy tonight. When they are, you have one of the top recieving trios in the league, and Jordan who has proven he can catch passes.
Collins had nowhere to go tonight but up. He had a great first half, and now NE is doing what they do to everybody. Does Manning suck because he gets eaten alive by the Pats? Give me a break. Collins might not be the greatest QB in the league, but with this offense he is top 5, it's that simple.
People don't like Collins, fine. His situation dictates elite stats.
Any average QB with Moss will be top 5.
A late Cunningham with no legs was, Jeff George was, Culpepper was, Frerotte was, and Collins will be.
We'll find out about Culpepper. We know Collins blows EVEN WITH MOSS. 14/35 now.
i am beyond confident Collins will end the year as a top-10 QB and fairly confident he will be near or in the top-5
But 18/40 tells me a story that I don't think ends well. And, of the 9 leagues I'm in, ALL PUNISH FOR INTs. It's not like it's an exception to the rule, it's the rule.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
I was going to let this slide - until they said it a third time. What's with the "nervous fans" BS? They all looked pretty chilled, confident their team was going to win it there at the end.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Yup.Are you watching this game?NFL terms - maybe.So, you're saying Tom Brady - top 2?Who was the #2 QB when Frerotte was QB? It wasn't Carter? And why do you keep bring up his completion numbers? I'm not saying hes a good NFL QB. I'm simply saying he'll put up amazing FF stats, and unless your league penalizes for incompletions, then 14/35 doesn't matter, but 250-2 with 3:00 left in the game does matter.And I believe Cunningham, George and Frerotte had an all-pro running back, and the #2 WR of all time on the same team.I've said this all offseason:I disagree with the projection of collins from this site. Are you saying any QB in Oakland would be top 5?Does the situation dictate that I would be top 5 if I stepped in? I throw a mean nerf ball.The projections for this site you are posting on has Collins top five. You're flabbergasted by this? I think barring injury it is a certainty. Clearly Porter and Curry are not healthy tonight. When they are, you have one of the top recieving trios in the league, and Jordan who has proven he can catch passes.
Collins had nowhere to go tonight but up. He had a great first half, and now NE is doing what they do to everybody. Does Manning suck because he gets eaten alive by the Pats? Give me a break. Collins might not be the greatest QB in the league, but with this offense he is top 5, it's that simple.
People don't like Collins, fine. His situation dictates elite stats.
Any average QB with Moss will be top 5.
A late Cunningham with no legs was, Jeff George was, Culpepper was, Frerotte was, and Collins will be.
We'll find out about Culpepper. We know Collins blows EVEN WITH MOSS. 14/35 now.
Fantasy terms? They will have too many games with the lead to let Brady put up a lot of yardage after the 3rd quarter.
get your head in the FANTASY game b/c that is what is being discussed here.
and I see the same guy as last year - who finished #10, #11 the year before, #9 the year before that.
I'd guess the lack of having to come back to win in the fourth will keep Brady hovering around the #10 QB again.
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mojorizin
Guest
None at all, I just think they will put up similar numbers and have similar problems.Plummer was extraordinarily consistent last year and was the #5 fantasy QB by standard FBGuy stats.Not sure what your problem is with him in fantasy terms.
geoff8695
Footballguy
if Collins throws the ball near 40 times per game he will be a top-3 QB.I agree on top 10exactly.Who was the #2 QB when Frerotte was QB? It wasn't Carter? And why do you keep bring up his completion numbers? I'm not saying hes a good NFL QB. I'm simply saying he'll put up amazing FF stats, and unless your league penalizes for incompletions, then 14/35 doesn't matter, but 250-2 with 3:00 left in the game does matter.And I believe Cunningham, George and Frerotte had an all-pro running back, and the #2 WR of all time on the same team.I've said this all offseason:I disagree with the projection of collins from this site. Are you saying any QB in Oakland would be top 5?Does the situation dictate that I would be top 5 if I stepped in? I throw a mean nerf ball.The projections for this site you are posting on has Collins top five. You're flabbergasted by this? I think barring injury it is a certainty. Clearly Porter and Curry are not healthy tonight. When they are, you have one of the top recieving trios in the league, and Jordan who has proven he can catch passes.
Collins had nowhere to go tonight but up. He had a great first half, and now NE is doing what they do to everybody. Does Manning suck because he gets eaten alive by the Pats? Give me a break. Collins might not be the greatest QB in the league, but with this offense he is top 5, it's that simple.
People don't like Collins, fine. His situation dictates elite stats.
Any average QB with Moss will be top 5.
A late Cunningham with no legs was, Jeff George was, Culpepper was, Frerotte was, and Collins will be.
We'll find out about Culpepper. We know Collins blows EVEN WITH MOSS. 14/35 now.
i am beyond confident Collins will end the year as a top-10 QB and fairly confident he will be near or in the top-5
But 18/40 tells me a story that I don't think ends well. And, of the 9 leagues I'm in, ALL PUNISH FOR INTs. It's not like it's an exception to the rule, it's the rule.
it means they have to throw to stay in the game and it means he is throwing all game long - exactly what you want from a fantasy QB.
BTW, he doesn't face New England quality pass D's all year long. He faces a bunch of mediocre pass Ds and will more likely complete in the 60% range all year long against that type of competition.
Not to mention that Porter and Curry and Gabriel are not 100%.
Yet...
Also let's not forget that this Raider offense will be playing against the AFC West's lackluster D's. Methinks they will put up scary passing stats by the end of the year.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
absolutely not.I'm with you.
Is there a debate here? Why'd you ask me if I watched the game?
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
That I agree with.But Collins does not equal Plummer in any way - fantasy or NFL.None at all, I just think they will put up similar numbers and have similar problems.Plummer was extraordinarily consistent last year and was the #5 fantasy QB by standard FBGuy stats.Not sure what your problem is with him in fantasy terms.
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mojorizin
Guest
Ok, lighten up Levin. What in a post that included a reference to the closeness of Jake Plummer's shave made you think I was looking for an in depth debate contrasting Plummer and Collins? They both will put up great numbers, they can both do boneheaded things. This was not a face-off.That I agree with.But Collins does not equal Plummer in any way - fantasy or NFL.None at all, I just think they will put up similar numbers and have similar problems.Plummer was extraordinarily consistent last year and was the #5 fantasy QB by standard FBGuy stats.Not sure what your problem is with him in fantasy terms.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
My thoughts on tonight's game:Tom Brady is as good as passer as anyone in the league. He could post 300 yards and 2 Td's just about any game the Patriots wanted him to.There's no NO. 2 receiver on New England. Branch is clearly the best but Givens isn't targeted all that often and Troy Brown is still definately involved in that offense.I was surprised Dillon started off so slowly but the Patriots were able to wear down the Raiders. If there were 5 quarters in football.........Dillon would have been the guy who was the star because he was just about ready to get rolling.Randy Moss as good as he is still takes plays off. I watch him when there's a screen to the other side or a run play to the othe side. There's no effort to sell anything. With that said, Moss will still have a solid year. Collins is throwing to him a lot, especially when they get down.Lamont Jordan: Overall I was impressed with Lamont. He's going to have to get in shape though. He wasn't used to playing 4 quarters as tonight he rushed for the most carries he's ever attempted in a game. It showed as he cramped up and wasn't nearly as effective in the 2nd half. Against some poor defenses he could have some nice games. I can see that Crockett is going to be a TD vulture though, especially since Lamont looks like he's needs blows during the game.Collins: Mildly impressed. It was a tough spot for him. He looks downfield first, I like that. With how the Oakland D gives up points and the addition of Moss and Jordan, I don't see how he doesn't finish top 10 in fantasy points at QB unless of injury.Patriots: Overall the look pretty sharp. They looked pretty good covering the pass most of the night. I think their objective was to cover Moss and they did that. However, they let C. Anderson slip out and score a pair of Td's when trying to overplay Moss. When trying accomplish an objective like that, they have to be careful that they don't open up another hole. Also, I think you can have moderate success running at the Patriots. Jordan has some nice carries on 1st down. Raiders: It was a tough task to travel across the country and play the SB champs in their home building. There was a lot of energy in New England and the Raiders came out prepared and had an excellent first drive. At times their D played well. They made a couple plays but what they're going to have to do is get more pressure on the QB. Brady had a lot of time tonight. The Raiders lost a lot of ground due to penalties. It was a very sloppy game on their behalf. They're not a good enough team to give away yardage, they'll need to clean it up.
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mistersmith
Footballguy
(clipped for space)your analysis is money. i watched the entire game, and would agree with you on every point.
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