Ghost Rider
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I liked the Cherone album a lot when it was first out, but it hasn't aged well. Many would say it didn't age well from the start. 
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bigbottom
Footballguy
That was brutal.Not one of the top 5 or even top 20...but to say he doesn't have skills isHagar is drunk if he really thinks that Anthony is a top rock bass player, but he is sticking up for his buddy, and he deserves mad props for that.
EVH is a ######## of Axl Rose proportions.
But that doesn't make EVH any less of a ####.
tom22406
Footballguy
I still don't get the motivation for EVH to say these things now,especially about DLR with a tour around the corner?
The Mike stuff is really just sounding like sour grapes at this point or he just really wants it to be known he is a giant **** and just can't help himself sometimes.Sure he wasn't the greatest bass player(sorry Sammy,not a top guy by any stretch)but his vocals were a staple for the band and he seemed like a very loyal guy until he just couldn't take anymore.
Another surprising thing EVH said in the interview was that he doesn't listen to other music at all now and hasn't for quite sometime.I find this really hard to believe but maybe he is just so wrapped up in his own stuff he never has the time or desire to branch out?One would think with all this time he should have a ton of new material ready to roll out.Another thing was Wolfie is doing a solo project and Eddie is having his hand in on that as well.
The Mike stuff is really just sounding like sour grapes at this point or he just really wants it to be known he is a giant **** and just can't help himself sometimes.Sure he wasn't the greatest bass player(sorry Sammy,not a top guy by any stretch)but his vocals were a staple for the band and he seemed like a very loyal guy until he just couldn't take anymore.
Another surprising thing EVH said in the interview was that he doesn't listen to other music at all now and hasn't for quite sometime.I find this really hard to believe but maybe he is just so wrapped up in his own stuff he never has the time or desire to branch out?One would think with all this time he should have a ton of new material ready to roll out.Another thing was Wolfie is doing a solo project and Eddie is having his hand in on that as well.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
Look, it's been abundantly clear for at least a few decades that if EVH feels he's been wronged in some way, his natural reaction is to lash out and blast the other person. He did that to Dave for years and all the Van Hagar fans didn't seem to mind. But now that the ever-lovable Mike Anthony is the target, people are acting like some great social wrong has been committed.
Dave said it best in his autobiography - "Eddie Van Halen without a guitar in his hands is a crummy human being. "
But you know what? I'm still going to see them live this summer.
Dave said it best in his autobiography - "Eddie Van Halen without a guitar in his hands is a crummy human being. "
But you know what? I'm still going to see them live this summer.
bigbottom
Footballguy
To get him to tone down the shtick just a bit? Dave is basically a parody right now. Sure it's a ####ty way to go about it, but Dave needs to check himself. The ranch dog video as intro to Ice Cream Man was downright preposterous.
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I thought that Klosterman came off pretty credulous in that article. Some of those claims were flat out ridiculous. Particularly since Eddie, while on one hand claiming to never listen to anyone else's music, on the other hand seemed miffed that everyone was copying him in the 80s (a period when he was already supposedly not listening to anyone else).
I get that its a celeb profile, but you'd think that Klosterman might have put on his big boy reporter pants and actually asked someone other than Eddie about some of these things.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
I prefer the dog video to karate chops and "I FORGOT THE ####ING WORDS!!!".
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
People have been saying that Dave was more lounge lizard than rock star for 30 years. I doubt that's going to get him to tone down his act.
jwb
Footballguy
Sammy's new band (The Circle) recently released a live album. Band = him, Michael Anthony, Jason Bonham, & Vic Johnson.
it's on Spotify, and it's decent. It's prettymuch Van Hagar, Sammy solo, some Montrose, and some Zep covers, but it blows anything VH has done recently out of the water.
I love old VH, but over the years, I've had a growing appreciation for the Van Hagar stuff. Sammy is ten times the musician/singer that DLR was.
it's on Spotify, and it's decent. It's prettymuch Van Hagar, Sammy solo, some Montrose, and some Zep covers, but it blows anything VH has done recently out of the water.
I love old VH, but over the years, I've had a growing appreciation for the Van Hagar stuff. Sammy is ten times the musician/singer that DLR was.
tom22406
Footballguy
I haven't heard the whole album but what I have heard is pretty solid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOHLG2P-7_M
tom22406
Footballguy
soothsayer
Footballguy
Reviews from this summer tour have been overwhelmingly positive. Apparently Dave has decided to dial it back a bit vocally so that he stays on point more often than not. The set list is absoultely killer. Seeing them Wednesday night and can't wait - by all accounts the band is sounding as strong as ever and Roth is giving his best effort.
http://m.heraldextra.com/entertainment/music/review-van-halen-still-living-at-a-pace-that-thrills/article_a9eb480c-521e-546a-b064-e511b1aa020a.html?mobile_touch=true
http://m.heraldextra.com/entertainment/music/review-van-halen-still-living-at-a-pace-that-thrills/article_a9eb480c-521e-546a-b064-e511b1aa020a.html?mobile_touch=true
satch
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Todem
Footballguy
I have it ranked above Woman and Children First and Diver Down. Here are my VH rankingsEvilgrin 72 said:
1. Fair Warning
2. VH 2
3. VH 1
4. 1984
5. 5150
6. Diver Down
7. Woman and Children First
8. For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge
9. A Different Kind of Truth
10. OU812
11. Balance
12. VH 3
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Solid. For me, it would go :
1. VH1
2. Women & Children First
3. VH2
4. Fair Warning
5. 1984
6. A Different Kind of Truth
7. Diver Down
8. 5150
9. For Unlawful..
10. OU812
11. Balance
12. VH3
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Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Diver Down is not a good album.
jwb
Footballguy
Todem
Footballguy
Rayderr
Footballguy
I remember when VH3 was coming out, Eddie did an interview in one of the guitar magazines. He basically said Sammy was lazy and wouldn't do recording sessions unless the band paid him extra money to do it.
Now, since that time, Eddie's released 3 albums.
VH3
A Kind of Truth
live Tokyo Dome
During that time, Sammy has released the following:
Red Voodoo
Ten 13
Not For Sale
Livin' It Up
Cosmic Universal Fashion
Chickenfoot
Chickenfoot III
Sammy & Friends
Lite Roast
LIve: Hallelujah
At Your Service (Live)
Man, that Sammy sure is lazy.
Todem
Footballguy
I love Eddie Van Halen the guitarist. He was a huge influence (like he was to millions of others) on me in my teen years as a guitarist. His sound, approach, technique...was/is masterful. What I loved about him more than anything was his rhythm work. He is one the greatest rhythm guitarist ever in rock music. He is well known for his gymnastics on lead but what really made him was his incredible chord structures and phrasing on his rhythm playing and being a composer of some of the greatest riffs in rock history.
Eddie the person? Total doosh bag.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Todem
Footballguy
Bogart
Footballguy
I've seen VH with Sammy, seen VH with Gary, have never seen VH with DLR, so I will probably go when they come to town.
That said, I would much rather see Gary than DLR at this point. His concert had a great mix of both Dave and Sammy songs, and he can hit all the notes. Just look past that he was relegated to standing by the drum kit most of the time.
That said, I would much rather see Gary than DLR at this point. His concert had a great mix of both Dave and Sammy songs, and he can hit all the notes. Just look past that he was relegated to standing by the drum kit most of the time.
Todem
Footballguy
It was a disaster. Shame because Gary is a heck of a vocalist. But the album bombed (and it was really weak actually) and the tour bombed...it was a bad time for the band.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
biju
Footballguy
While it probably is tied with Women and Children First as my least favorite, it does actually have one of my favorite VH songs on it: Little Guitars. I also like Dancing in the Streets, Hang 'em High, and Pretty Woman. Actually, it's not so bad IMO. Every band has a "worst" album so if this is it (for the original band anyway) that's pretty ####### good.Ketamine Dreams said:
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Diver Down is the worst VH album (of any era).
Rayderr
Footballguy
I wouldn't go that far, but I think it only beats out VH3 and A different Kind of Truth.
rockaction
Footballguy
All things considered, Van Halen has a pretty freaking good catalog during the DLR years (are there any other?).
1) Fair Warning
2) Diver Down
3) II
4) Women and Children First
5) I
6) 1984
I know, I'm a freak. Or I and II just got played out.
Always liked The Full Bug a lot too since it had heaviest sound on Diver Down especially where it fell on the album.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I liked VH3 more than most, although a lot of it hasn't aged well for me, and thus it'd be bottom 3 for me (along with Diver Down and WC&F or OU812).
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Also a fan of Van Halen Zero (demo boot)
biju
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Women and Children First is being criminally underrated in this thread.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Eh, it's good, but not great. And I often dock it for Loss of Control being the biggest tease ever. The first 15 seconds of that song is so awesome and then the rest of it sucks.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
There are some real gems on there though. I wouldn't fault anyone for ranking it anywhere in their top 5, but ranking it below Diver Down (which is essentially an album of covers) or the Hagar records is a hanging offense IMO.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
No way. I think the Hagar era was as good as the Roth era (I enjoy both a lot, and which one I prefer usually depends on which one I am listening to ), but hey, that's me. 
), but hey, that's me.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I like 5150 quite a bit but aside from "Poundcake," there's not much I like from the Hagar Era beyond that album. Then again, my tastes obviously skew heavy.No way. I think the Hagar era was as good as the Roth era (I enjoy both a lot, and which one I prefer usually depends on which one I am listening to
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
F.U.C.K. is pretty hard-rocking, although I gave that a spin recently and it wasn't as good as I remembered it being. EVH's brown sound was gone and the melodies are sometimes absent. I still love some tracks from that, regardless (Pleasure Dome, Right Now, Poundcake).
Balance is pretty underrated.
Balance is pretty underrated.
Leviathan
Footballguy
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rockaction
Footballguy
The bolded is crazyThere are some real gems on there though. I wouldn't fault anyone for ranking it anywhere in their top 5, but ranking it below Diver Down (which is essentially an album of covers) or the Hagar records is a hanging offense IMO.
. Loss of Control by far and away soars above anything on Women and Children (once you get past childish infatuations with Everybody Wants Some and And The Cradle...).As for ranking Diver Down highly, Little Guitars, Hang 'Em High, The Full Bug, Cathedral, Secrets, and the covers hold up better than the few incredible songs on Women and Children First. I should amend my list to move VHII up to the second position.
But it's a niggling point. Those albums are all so good I generally don't know how to evaluate them.
Maybe I like Diver Down because I love sloppy, thrown-together hard rock albums that most people hate. There's always a punk element to them, and metal indulgent laziness, which I love when they're still competent with the music or the selection of covers.
Regardless, love me some VH. My first band, and still one of the best.
Todem
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Sorry, but Loss of Control is just awful after that awesome intro.The bolded is crazyThere are some real gems on there though. I wouldn't fault anyone for ranking it anywhere in their top 5, but ranking it below Diver Down (which is essentially an album of covers) or the Hagar records is a hanging offense IMO.
To me, the best songs off of WC&F are Fools, In a Simple Rhyme and Could This Be Magic?
Agreed. Those two and The Seventh Seal are some of their best songs from the Hagar era.
Saw em last night outside Buffalo. Tremendous show. Think we got lucky that they had 10 days off betw shows. Cancelled on Sunday in Hershey Park due to flu for Dave. I saw them in Buff for Different Truth and had tix to Rochester that were part of cancellation of remainder of that tour. Thought - Uh Oh, but Wolfie tweeted that was anamoly & 2nd half of tour was a go.
Set list, put together by Wolfie, absolutely killer. I listened to 'pop' stations until I heard VH1 - changed my entire musical taste. However, never saw original VH in concert so to see Eddie play Romeo Delight, Simple Rhyme (top 5 for me), Dirty Movies etc - thought I'd never see that. Eddie showed why he's a guitar god. Solo was similar as years past but songs were spot on and he ventured off. So good to see him genuinely smile versus drunk smile I've seen on tour for yrs. Band is real tight. Think listening to my father's Beach Boys albums had influence in my love of VH & harmonies. Eddie & Wolfie nailed harmonies. Pretty much covered Dave all night. (As aside, concert makes that Rolling Stone article with Eddie seem even stranger. Claims not to know words but he sang backup on every song - as he's done for yrs).
As for Dave....always more entertainer than actual singer. He had his moments and highlights but rough spots as well. STill, he wasn't lazy like Vince Neil has become just letting crowd sing for him. Tells couple stories that get some laughs, but bit long & band just plays in background. A bit frustrating when you are in crowd singing along to a song you've listened to a thousand times & Dave goes riffing. Also found it interesting he didn't do any of the trademark 'ad lib' type stuff liek in Everybody Wants Some & Panama. In the end though it did not take away from show & at least gave me a feel for early 80s VH.
Overall, highly recommend. Much better than the Different Kind tour, including Dave. Powered through 2+ hours of classics. Perfect summer concert.
Set list, put together by Wolfie, absolutely killer. I listened to 'pop' stations until I heard VH1 - changed my entire musical taste. However, never saw original VH in concert so to see Eddie play Romeo Delight, Simple Rhyme (top 5 for me), Dirty Movies etc - thought I'd never see that. Eddie showed why he's a guitar god. Solo was similar as years past but songs were spot on and he ventured off. So good to see him genuinely smile versus drunk smile I've seen on tour for yrs. Band is real tight. Think listening to my father's Beach Boys albums had influence in my love of VH & harmonies. Eddie & Wolfie nailed harmonies. Pretty much covered Dave all night. (As aside, concert makes that Rolling Stone article with Eddie seem even stranger. Claims not to know words but he sang backup on every song - as he's done for yrs).
As for Dave....always more entertainer than actual singer. He had his moments and highlights but rough spots as well. STill, he wasn't lazy like Vince Neil has become just letting crowd sing for him. Tells couple stories that get some laughs, but bit long & band just plays in background. A bit frustrating when you are in crowd singing along to a song you've listened to a thousand times & Dave goes riffing. Also found it interesting he didn't do any of the trademark 'ad lib' type stuff liek in Everybody Wants Some & Panama. In the end though it did not take away from show & at least gave me a feel for early 80s VH.
Overall, highly recommend. Much better than the Different Kind tour, including Dave. Powered through 2+ hours of classics. Perfect summer concert.
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