**Not-so-offical Green Bay Packers Off-season Thread** (1 Viewer)

[sho nuff]

I wouldn't count on Suggs. Maybe a CJ Mosley, Canty, or Olshansky at DE, or Boley at OLB, but not Suggs. Too expensive.

Canty and Olshansky are really intriguing me right now. Both are legit 3-4 DEs and neither should break the bank. They're not the big name free agents some Packer fans are hoping for, but either one would be a solid addition IMO.

I would like to see Canty as our end. Olshansky I am not as big on. If we could get Canty and 2 or three other players around the same caliber, I would count the offseason a huge success. Hopefully Thompson will actually sign free agents this year.I have begun to fear though that Ted may actually be less likely than usual to sign free agents. Perhaps he thinks that it wasn't a problem of players with the defense but a problem with the coaching. Since we have a new coordinator, he may be inclined to believe that is all that is needed to fix the defenses problems. Guess we will wait and see.

The question is, how much pressure does Ted feel right now? It's the post-Favre era and this team has TT's finger prints all over it. I'd think if TT ever felt stress to make some moves in FA, it would be this year. He resigned his golden boy Aaron after a 6-10 season. He has to have a winner this year or he's in trouble.

IMO, he will sign some. But probably not first day high priced guys.More of that 2nd tier guys to bring in some veterans that have experience in the 3-4.

 

[Phurfur]

I wouldn't count on Suggs. Maybe a CJ Mosley, Canty, or Olshansky at DE, or Boley at OLB, but not Suggs. Too expensive.

Canty and Olshansky are really intriguing me right now. Both are legit 3-4 DEs and neither should break the bank. They're not the big name free agents some Packer fans are hoping for, but either one would be a solid addition IMO.

I would like to see Canty as our end. Olshansky I am not as big on. If we could get Canty and 2 or three other players around the same caliber, I would count the offseason a huge success. Hopefully Thompson will actually sign free agents this year.I have begun to fear though that Ted may actually be less likely than usual to sign free agents. Perhaps he thinks that it wasn't a problem of players with the defense but a problem with the coaching. Since we have a new coordinator, he may be inclined to believe that is all that is needed to fix the defenses problems. Guess we will wait and see.

The question is, how much pressure does Ted feel right now? It's the post-Favre era and this team has TT's finger prints all over it. I'd think if TT ever felt stress to make some moves in FA, it would be this year. He resigned his golden boy Aaron after a 6-10 season. He has to have a winner this year or he's in trouble.

That is what people were saying about last year. Actually the fans were going to run him out of town.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I wouldn't count on Suggs. Maybe a CJ Mosley, Canty, or Olshansky at DE, or Boley at OLB, but not Suggs. Too expensive.

Canty and Olshansky are really intriguing me right now. Both are legit 3-4 DEs and neither should break the bank. They're not the big name free agents some Packer fans are hoping for, but either one would be a solid addition IMO.

I would like to see Canty as our end. Olshansky I am not as big on. If we could get Canty and 2 or three other players around the same caliber, I would count the offseason a huge success. Hopefully Thompson will actually sign free agents this year.I have begun to fear though that Ted may actually be less likely than usual to sign free agents. Perhaps he thinks that it wasn't a problem of players with the defense but a problem with the coaching. Since we have a new coordinator, he may be inclined to believe that is all that is needed to fix the defenses problems. Guess we will wait and see.

The question is, how much pressure does Ted feel right now? It's the post-Favre era and this team has TT's finger prints all over it. I'd think if TT ever felt stress to make some moves in FA, it would be this year. He resigned his golden boy Aaron after a 6-10 season. He has to have a winner this year or he's in trouble.

That is what people were saying about last year. Actually the fans were going to run him out of town.

Then those fans were going to run him out of town strictly based on the Favre issue. The team went 13-3 and you don't fire the GM for 13-3. Now if you follow up a 13-3 season with 6-10, it raises eyebrows. That's where the added pressure on TT comes imo.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

I wouldn't count on Suggs. Maybe a CJ Mosley, Canty, or Olshansky at DE, or Boley at OLB, but not Suggs. Too expensive.

Canty and Olshansky are really intriguing me right now. Both are legit 3-4 DEs and neither should break the bank. They're not the big name free agents some Packer fans are hoping for, but either one would be a solid addition IMO.

I would like to see Canty as our end. Olshansky I am not as big on. If we could get Canty and 2 or three other players around the same caliber, I would count the offseason a huge success. Hopefully Thompson will actually sign free agents this year.I have begun to fear though that Ted may actually be less likely than usual to sign free agents. Perhaps he thinks that it wasn't a problem of players with the defense but a problem with the coaching. Since we have a new coordinator, he may be inclined to believe that is all that is needed to fix the defenses problems. Guess we will wait and see.

The question is, how much pressure does Ted feel right now? It's the post-Favre era and this team has TT's finger prints all over it. I'd think if TT ever felt stress to make some moves in FA, it would be this year. He resigned his golden boy Aaron after a 6-10 season. He has to have a winner this year or he's in trouble.

I truly believe this 'pressure' stuff is overblown. I don't think Ted feels any more pressure than any other year. His fingerprints are all over this team, no doubt. But the cupboard is far, far from empty. There is talent on this team.As for free agents, I don't expect a departure from Thompson. Why would he change now? He'll sign a few guys to fill some gaps and work the rest through the draft.

Dom Capers knows how to coach defense. I would not be one bit surprised to see a 5-10 spot ranking improvement for the D just through Capers and staff.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I wouldn't count on Suggs. Maybe a CJ Mosley, Canty, or Olshansky at DE, or Boley at OLB, but not Suggs. Too expensive.

Canty and Olshansky are really intriguing me right now. Both are legit 3-4 DEs and neither should break the bank. They're not the big name free agents some Packer fans are hoping for, but either one would be a solid addition IMO.

I would like to see Canty as our end. Olshansky I am not as big on. If we could get Canty and 2 or three other players around the same caliber, I would count the offseason a huge success. Hopefully Thompson will actually sign free agents this year.I have begun to fear though that Ted may actually be less likely than usual to sign free agents. Perhaps he thinks that it wasn't a problem of players with the defense but a problem with the coaching. Since we have a new coordinator, he may be inclined to believe that is all that is needed to fix the defenses problems. Guess we will wait and see.

The question is, how much pressure does Ted feel right now? It's the post-Favre era and this team has TT's finger prints all over it. I'd think if TT ever felt stress to make some moves in FA, it would be this year. He resigned his golden boy Aaron after a 6-10 season. He has to have a winner this year or he's in trouble.

I truly believe this 'pressure' stuff is overblown. I don't think Ted feels any more pressure than any other year. His fingerprints are all over this team, no doubt. But the cupboard is far, far from empty. There is talent on this team.As for free agents, I don't expect a departure from Thompson. Why would he change now? He'll sign a few guys to fill some gaps and work the rest through the draft.

Dom Capers knows how to coach defense. I would not be one bit surprised to see a 5-10 spot ranking improvement for the D just through Capers and staff.

I actually think there is a pretty good chance we'll see more FA signings this year. The fact is I can't think of any of our current players that have played in the NFL using a 3-4. That screams out to adding in veterans who have been in the 3-4 before. At minimum they need to retool the makeup of their front 7. Typically 3-4 teams keep 9 LBs and 6-7 DL. Opposite of what the Packers have done in the past. So they'll need to add some LBs at minimum. I am not really sure they have both the DE's that they need yet either. Harrell and Jolly are both a bit heavy to play DE in the 3-4, and both have serious questions about whether or not they'll actually contribute in 2009. Who will they target? Canty and Olshansky are obvious candidates to solidify the DE spot. Canty has said he want a contract similar to Tommy Kelly though. (7 years 50 million). A ton of money for a guy with his production. Olshansky has hinted at wanting to play DE in a 4-3. It is not a great year for FA DL. If you want some indication of the depth of the class, Colin Cole is listed 4th among DTs available. Micheal Montgomery is listed as the 8th best DE by Scouts Inc. Only Canty and Olshansky are listed as better available players on the FA market. A potential target could be Stephen Bowen DE for the Cowboys. He's an undrafted FA that is a RFA. So it will depend on how the Cowboys tender him.

At LB, Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs are going to break the bank. (Baltimores bank anyway). Which probably means Bart Scott is available. Its a great year to be looking for 3-4 LBs in FA. Six of the top 8 available have experience in the 3-4, and plenty are young. If they are going to spend money, it'll probably be on a LB.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Any update on Johnny Jolly's situation?

Any update on Harrel's health?

 

[sho nuff]

Any update on Johnny Jolly's situation?Any update on Harrel's health?

Jolly not sure.Last I heard on Harrel was that he was going to rehab rather than another surgery and was going to do so in Green Bay (at least that part I took as good that he was remaining in town to rehab and work out rather than the whole, on his own thing).That said, it has to just about be his last chance to show he can play and stay healthy.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I wouldn't count on Suggs. Maybe a CJ Mosley, Canty, or Olshansky at DE, or Boley at OLB, but not Suggs. Too expensive.

Canty and Olshansky are really intriguing me right now. Both are legit 3-4 DEs and neither should break the bank. They're not the big name free agents some Packer fans are hoping for, but either one would be a solid addition IMO.

I would like to see Canty as our end. Olshansky I am not as big on. If we could get Canty and 2 or three other players around the same caliber, I would count the offseason a huge success. Hopefully Thompson will actually sign free agents this year.I have begun to fear though that Ted may actually be less likely than usual to sign free agents. Perhaps he thinks that it wasn't a problem of players with the defense but a problem with the coaching. Since we have a new coordinator, he may be inclined to believe that is all that is needed to fix the defenses problems. Guess we will wait and see.

The question is, how much pressure does Ted feel right now? It's the post-Favre era and this team has TT's finger prints all over it. I'd think if TT ever felt stress to make some moves in FA, it would be this year. He resigned his golden boy Aaron after a 6-10 season. He has to have a winner this year or he's in trouble.

I agree TT is on the hot seat, but don't agree that would mean he will change his approach to running a team. Wouldn't that be worse, in that he would be admitting his approach is a failure? Surely if he thought signing high-profile free agents was a good way to have success in the NFL, he would have done that in prior years.Personally, I think the area where FA signings can help this team the most is on special teams. The drop off this past season was a huge reason for the team's lack of success, and that is directly attributable to Thompson's offseason moves (among others, cutting Ryan for Frost and releasing Tracy White).

As for the draft, I noted an interesting set of rankings on Andrew Brandt's website --> NFP Specialized Position Rankings. A few relate specifically to a 3-4 defense and one looks specifically at zone blocking OLs:

Zone Blocking Scheme Offensive Linemen

OT Jason Smith, Baylor (6-5, 300)

OT William Beatty, Connecticut (6-6, 291)

C Max Unger, Oregon (6-5, 299)

OG Augustus Parrish, Kent State (6-4, 297)

C A.Q. Shipley, Penn State (6-1, 297)

Five-Technique Defensive Ends (3-4 Defensive Ends)

Jarron Gilbert, San Jose State (6-5, 287)

Tyson Jackson, LSU (6-4, 295)

Kyle Moore, USC (6-5, 265)

Zach Potter, Nebraska (6-7, 277)

Jeremy Navarre, Maryland (6-3, 285)

Sleeper: Everette Pedescleaux, Northern Iowa (6-6, 305)

Nose Tackles

B.J. Raji, Boston College (6-2, 334)

Ron Brace, Boston College (6-3, 329)

Terrance Taylor, Michigan (6-1, 314)

Sammie Lee Hill, Stillman (6-4, 331)

Terrance Knighton, Temple (6-3, 324)

3-4 Outside Linebackers

Everette Brown, Florida State (6-4, 252)

Aaron Maybin, Penn State (6-4, 248)

Clay Matthews, USC (6-3, 246)

Larry English, Northern Illinois (6-2, 254)

Clint Sintim, Virginia (6-3, 249)

 

[Sabertooth]

I wouldn't count on Suggs. Maybe a CJ Mosley, Canty, or Olshansky at DE, or Boley at OLB, but not Suggs. Too expensive.

Canty and Olshansky are really intriguing me right now. Both are legit 3-4 DEs and neither should break the bank. They're not the big name free agents some Packer fans are hoping for, but either one would be a solid addition IMO.

I would like to see Canty as our end. Olshansky I am not as big on. If we could get Canty and 2 or three other players around the same caliber, I would count the offseason a huge success. Hopefully Thompson will actually sign free agents this year.I have begun to fear though that Ted may actually be less likely than usual to sign free agents. Perhaps he thinks that it wasn't a problem of players with the defense but a problem with the coaching. Since we have a new coordinator, he may be inclined to believe that is all that is needed to fix the defenses problems. Guess we will wait and see.

The question is, how much pressure does Ted feel right now? It's the post-Favre era and this team has TT's finger prints all over it. I'd think if TT ever felt stress to make some moves in FA, it would be this year. He resigned his golden boy Aaron after a 6-10 season. He has to have a winner this year or he's in trouble.

I agree TT is on the hot seat, but don't agree that would mean he will change his approach to running a team. Wouldn't that be worse, in that he would be admitting his approach is a failure? Surely if he thought signing high-profile free agents was a good way to have success in the NFL, he would have done that in prior years.Personally, I think the area where FA signings can help this team the most is on special teams. The drop off this past season was a huge reason for the team's lack of success, and that is directly attributable to Thompson's offseason moves (among others, cutting Ryan for Frost and releasing Tracy White).

As for the draft, I noted an interesting set of rankings on Andrew Brandt's website --> NFP Specialized Position Rankings. A few relate specifically to a 3-4 defense and one looks specifically at zone blocking OLs:

Zone Blocking Scheme Offensive Linemen

OT Jason Smith, Baylor (6-5, 300)

OT William Beatty, Connecticut (6-6, 291)

C Max Unger, Oregon (6-5, 299)

OG Augustus Parrish, Kent State (6-4, 297)

C A.Q. Shipley, Penn State (6-1, 297)

Five-Technique Defensive Ends (3-4 Defensive Ends)

Jarron Gilbert, San Jose State (6-5, 287)

Tyson Jackson, LSU (6-4, 295)

Kyle Moore, USC (6-5, 265)

Zach Potter, Nebraska (6-7, 277)

Jeremy Navarre, Maryland (6-3, 285)

Sleeper: Everette Pedescleaux, Northern Iowa (6-6, 305)

Nose Tackles

B.J. Raji, Boston College (6-2, 334)

Ron Brace, Boston College (6-3, 329)

Terrance Taylor, Michigan (6-1, 314)

Sammie Lee Hill, Stillman (6-4, 331)

Terrance Knighton, Temple (6-3, 324)

3-4 Outside Linebackers

Everette Brown, Florida State (6-4, 252)

Aaron Maybin, Penn State (6-4, 248)

Clay Matthews, USC (6-3, 246)

Larry English, Northern Illinois (6-2, 254)

Clint Sintim, Virginia (6-3, 249)

Nice post here.

 

[Aaronstory]

Personally, I think the area where FA signings can help this team the most is on special teams. The drop off this past season was a huge reason for the team's lack of success, and that is directly attributable to Thompson's offseason moves (among others, cutting Ryan for Frost and releasing Tracy White).

I think the SP will improve almost be default with the move to the 3-4. You will see a small influx of linebackers and a small purging of defensive linemen. Also, a healthy season should help immensely. There were a few players on coverage toward the end of the season that had no business on special teams. (Nothing is more comical than watching Jermichael Finley on kickoff coverage) The one area where I think FA COULD make a big difference is if Thompson ponies up the money to sign Lechler. No telling if he'd be amicable to coming to Green Bay, but Thompson has to do something solid to fix the field position problems that plagued his team last year. Lechler would go a long way in addressing those concerns...

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Holy crap. Look at this Rumors section by Patty from Packerchatters. Chock full of interesting gossip.

Rumor CentralFebruary 12, 2009Written by Patty - PackerChatters StaffEvery year around the middle of February rumors start flowing all around the NFL. I reported one I have heard and now I have come across a 2nd rumor.Many believe the Lions are going to pass on QB with pick 1 and hope they can get one of the top 3 QB's with the 20th selection in round 1. This means that Stafford could slide to the 49er's at pick 10. What teams are in need of a QB ? New York Jets - Minnesota - Carolina - San Francisco. The circulating news has the Vikings and Carolina interested in a veteran QB so this allows the Lions - Jets and 49er's to get the big 3 QB's in the draft.Detroit does not cotton much to Sanchez - San Francisco likes Sanchez and the Jets would prefer Stafford. The rumor centers around the Jets at 17 and Detroit at 20. Detroit really likes another player with pick 1 so what do they do? There is talk that Matt Stafford will be there at pick 9 for Green Bay.Could we see Green Bay making a division rival trade? Some say it will never happen but it has in the past. Some think the Jets and Jacksonville are talking. Jacksonville would move down for 1 of the OT's that is thought to slide or a CB like Vontae Davis or Alphonso SMith.But the rumor that is making a few rounds around the NFL has Green Bay and Detroit gonna talk trade. I find it interesting that I proposed this trade in my January mock draft. Again some say Green Bay and Detroit would never trade because they are in the same division but I am not so sure.Speculation from some who are talking about this rumor has the Lions sending Green Bay pick 20 in round 1 and pick 1 in round 2 for Green Bay's pick 9 in round 1 and pick 9 in round 4.Of course this changes a lot of things. Detroit was almost certain to use the first picks in these two rounds for a LB and OT. Many expected Eugene Monroe and Clay Matthews to be their targets. Now that they might end up losing the 1st pick to start round 2 it does make it sound like they will go OT with the 1st pick of the draft.Here is what it does for Green Bay: They will pass on most of the top players (15) in this draft. The consensus was Everette Brown DE/OLB. I think it was B J Raji or one of those OT's. So what to do with picks 20 and 33? I believe the Packers would focus on DE and hope to have a decision between Tyson Jackson or Peria Jerry with I believe Capers wanting Jerry. With pick 33 the Packers could be looking at: Eben Britton LT, Phil Loadholt LT or Max Unger for LG/C/RT. They also could surprise and select a LB. Clint Sintim if he slides this far or Clay Matthews. Matthews seems to be the kind of player Ted Thompson likes.With their own pick at 41 I would think they most likely go with whatever they missed on at 33 (LB or OT) - value wise that could OT at pick 41: either Eben Britton if he slides that far or most likely Jamon Meredith RT (he plays LT but many believe he is going to be a star at RT for a ZBS team).Summation: The rumor has Detroit trading back into the top 10 to get Matt Stafford QB and making the trade with division rival Green Bay. No word on whether the Jets would select Josh Freeman in missing out on Sanchez and Stafford.Other news: the Buffalo Bills would like to trade J P Losman QB - Dallas is looking to attempt to resign Chris Canty DE who has said in the past he likes Green Bay. (Interesting) Dallas is also in the hunt for a back up QB and they are not that enamored with the expected FA QB's. A lot of talk about Chris Simms but the Cowboys want better.Texans looking to go after Michael Huff SS and are hoping to keep Dunta Robinson CB. The Colts are not expected to tag Kelvin Hayden CB. Many around the league believe the Packers are going to resign Mark Tauscher saying he is the 5th best FA OT -- The Cardinals are expected to go after Brandon Jacobs if the Giants do not resign him. The Ravens believe they can get Ray Lewis to agree to an extension but are prepared to lose on Tyrell Suggs DE/OLB.There is word that Carolina will offer Julius Peppers to New England for Matt Cassell QB --- Kansas Cith could add Kyle Boller QB to back up Tyler Thigpen.So things are starting to heat up.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

That all sounds pretty crazy, but I've never read that site and don't know their track record. Lots of "I/many believe" etc., doesn't sound reliable. I can't imagine a team wanting to pay for two Top 10 picks nowadays. And BUF is looking to trade Losman? He's a free agent.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Packerchatters is pretty well respected I thought. The have a pretty large staff of writers. I was pretty sure I'd read before that Patty was at one time a scout and knows people in the business which is where the rumors would come from.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Could be. But I read "I have come across a second rumor" - what does that mean? If I email her, am I, Chicago Hooligan, an equally blog-worthy source?

"The consensus was Everette Brown DE/OLB" - Whose consensus? Pretty much how I felt reading all of this. Thanks for posting it though, I consume all rumors with interest despite my extreme skepticism.

 

[Aaronstory]

Packerchatters is pretty well respected I thought. The have a pretty large staff of writers. I was pretty sure I'd read before that Patty was at one time a scout and knows people in the business which is where the rumors would come from.

PackerChatters is the original Fan Blog. They do monster traffic mostly because they were the first on the net back when no one else was online. They have a large stable of writers, some better than others.All that said - the above is pap

 

[scrumptrulescent]

All that said - the above is pap

I'm afraid I don't follow.I enjoy reading Patty's articles/opinions and believe she has relatively reliable contacts on or near the team because she seems to know her stuff.

Here's some of her articles...Patty articles

 

[Aaronstory]

All that said - the above is pap

I'm afraid I don't follow.I enjoy reading Patty's articles/opinions and believe she has relatively reliable contacts on or near the team because she seems to know her stuff.

Here's some of her articles...Patty articles

Just jokin' around - hence the I admit to being less than overwhelmed by 'Patty' and most of the writers over at PackerChatters. I do like C.D. Angeli, but to read him I usually just check out his own blog Tundra Vision.

 

[Kleck]

I admit to being less than overwhelmed by 'Patty' and most of the writers over at PackerChatters.

Same here. I'll still read whatever they have to post, but I tend to file them more under entertainment than insider Packer info. Not to mean they don't ever get things right, I just don't jump on board right away. Kind of like how I view PFT.

 

[Jeremy]

Packerchatters is pretty well respected I thought. The have a pretty large staff of writers. I was pretty sure I'd read before that Patty was at one time a scout and knows people in the business which is where the rumors would come from.

PackerChatters is the original Fan Blog. They do monster traffic mostly because they were the first on the net back when no one else was online. They have a large stable of writers, some better than others.All that said - the above is pap

I enjoy lurking on their forums, but they don't seem to allow newcomers to register.

 

[Aaronstory]

Packerchatters is pretty well respected I thought. The have a pretty large staff of writers. I was pretty sure I'd read before that Patty was at one time a scout and knows people in the business which is where the rumors would come from.

PackerChatters is the original Fan Blog. They do monster traffic mostly because they were the first on the net back when no one else was online. They have a large stable of writers, some better than others.All that said - the above is pap

I enjoy lurking on their forums, but they don't seem to allow newcomers to register.

I noticed that. You are always welcome on ours... :( http://www.cheeseheadtv.com/forum/

ETA: Saw this for the first time on their site:

If you would like to be registered as a member and take advantage of some very useful tools offered send an email to PackerChatters@gmail.com.

In the email please include the User Name you want to have and we will take care of the rest. An email return will be sent with your log in information.

Why are we doing this? We are getting like 10-12 SPAM requests per day. This creates a ton of extra work weeding out all the SPAM from the 'good' as we do check all IP and email address' before approving to maintain a clean place for all.

All registrations coming in through the Forums Registration process will now be considered as SPAM and dealt with accordingly.

Again if you want to join us as a Member send the email and thanks for your interest.

 

[snorlax]

My biggest hope for the remainder of the offseason is that the Packers make an attempt to sign Julius Peppers. I know it's probably a long shot, but the pieces seem to be falling in place for that to happen. First the Packers signed Dom Capers, who is respected and has the Carolina connection with Peppers, even if they weren't with the Panthers at the same time. Then the Packers signed Mark Trgovac, whom Peppers is obviously familiar with. Peppers has said he wants to play for a 3-4 defense, and the Packers are installling it. They also happen to have an opening opposite Aaron Kampman at the other outside linebacker spot. The successful 3-4 defenses seem to have the big playmakers at OLB, and Kampman and Peppers are the definition of playmakers.

I think Peppers also wants to go somewhere where his team will be competitive. The Packers were in the NFC Championship 2 years ago, but they disappointed last year in a transition period. With Rodgers having a year of experience, the offense will likely get better and close out games more often, while adjustments to the defense could prevent the late-game collapses that we became so familiar with last year. I think signing Peppers and drafting a big defensive lineman with the first pick will help to turn around the defense. As long as the special teams also improve, there's no reason not to think that the Packers can't be among the top 3 teams in the NFC. The Packers also have the cap room to give Peppers the contract he would need.

Yes, this is an optimistic viewpoint, and it's probably unlikely with Thompson running the show, and maybe that's for the best, but it all just seems to make so much sense. I can't wait to see how it all plays out in a couple weeks.

 

[4th&26]

why does everyone assume Hawk will be on the inside? AFter this years DEF Player of the year listed as a 3-4 OLB in the same scheme as shorter and lighter as Hawk, why couldn't we at least try one of our most athletically gifted players there?

i'd rather add a low priced 3-4 experienced ILB and our 2 most athletic guys (kampmen and Hawk) to the outside.

your thoughts?

 

[bcr8f]

why does everyone assume Hawk will be on the inside? AFter this years DEF Player of the year listed as a 3-4 OLB in the same scheme as shorter and lighter as Hawk, why couldn't we at least try one of our most athletically gifted players there?i'd rather add a low priced 3-4 experienced ILB and our 2 most athletic guys (kampmen and Hawk) to the outside.your thoughts?

I like him better outside on the weak side. I don't assume anything yet though. Not until OTA's anyway.

 

[bcr8f]

Packerchatters is pretty well respected I thought. The have a pretty large staff of writers. I was pretty sure I'd read before that Patty was at one time a scout and knows people in the business which is where the rumors would come from.

PackerChatters is the original Fan Blog. They do monster traffic mostly because they were the first on the net back when no one else was online. They have a large stable of writers, some better than others.All that said - the above is pap

I enjoy lurking on their forums, but they don't seem to allow newcomers to register.

They don't? Just signed you up and PM'd you the password. I've been there since it was LMG and Packmom(14 years I think).

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

My biggest hope for the remainder of the offseason is that the Packers make an attempt to sign Julius Peppers. I know it's probably a long shot, but the pieces seem to be falling in place for that to happen. First the Packers signed Dom Capers, who is respected and has the Carolina connection with Peppers, even if they weren't with the Panthers at the same time. Then the Packers signed Mark Trgovac, whom Peppers is obviously familiar with. Peppers has said he wants to play for a 3-4 defense, and the Packers are installling it. They also happen to have an opening opposite Aaron Kampman at the other outside linebacker spot. The successful 3-4 defenses seem to have the big playmakers at OLB, and Kampman and Peppers are the definition of playmakers.I think Peppers also wants to go somewhere where his team will be competitive. The Packers were in the NFC Championship 2 years ago, but they disappointed last year in a transition period. With Rodgers having a year of experience, the offense will likely get better and close out games more often, while adjustments to the defense could prevent the late-game collapses that we became so familiar with last year. I think signing Peppers and drafting a big defensive lineman with the first pick will help to turn around the defense. As long as the special teams also improve, there's no reason not to think that the Packers can't be among the top 3 teams in the NFC. The Packers also have the cap room to give Peppers the contract he would need.Yes, this is an optimistic viewpoint, and it's probably unlikely with Thompson running the show, and maybe that's for the best, but it all just seems to make so much sense. I can't wait to see how it all plays out in a couple weeks.

With the tag in place, it all but cements Green Bay staying away from him. I guess it's possible a sign and trade could happen somehow, but the Packer certainly aren't going togive up the picks to sign him.

 

[Jeremy]

Packerchatters is pretty well respected I thought. The have a pretty large staff of writers. I was pretty sure I'd read before that Patty was at one time a scout and knows people in the business which is where the rumors would come from.

PackerChatters is the original Fan Blog. They do monster traffic mostly because they were the first on the net back when no one else was online. They have a large stable of writers, some better than others.All that said - the above is pap

I enjoy lurking on their forums, but they don't seem to allow newcomers to register.

They don't? Just signed you up and PM'd you the password. I've been there since it was LMG and Packmom(14 years I think).

Thanks! I tried to register a couple times, but couldn't get it approved or something. I noticed everyone who posted there had been there since at least 2007, so figured they weren't taking anybody new. Really appreciate it.

 

[bcr8f]

Thanks! I tried to register a couple times, but couldn't get it approved or something. I noticed everyone who posted there had been there since at least 2007, so figured they weren't taking anybody new. Really appreciate it.

They've changed software several times and people had to re-up so the sign up dates are a little late. Mine says 2005 I think.

 

[snorlax]

My biggest hope for the remainder of the offseason is that the Packers make an attempt to sign Julius Peppers. I know it's probably a long shot, but the pieces seem to be falling in place for that to happen. First the Packers signed Dom Capers, who is respected and has the Carolina connection with Peppers, even if they weren't with the Panthers at the same time. Then the Packers signed Mark Trgovac, whom Peppers is obviously familiar with. Peppers has said he wants to play for a 3-4 defense, and the Packers are installling it. They also happen to have an opening opposite Aaron Kampman at the other outside linebacker spot. The successful 3-4 defenses seem to have the big playmakers at OLB, and Kampman and Peppers are the definition of playmakers.I think Peppers also wants to go somewhere where his team will be competitive. The Packers were in the NFC Championship 2 years ago, but they disappointed last year in a transition period. With Rodgers having a year of experience, the offense will likely get better and close out games more often, while adjustments to the defense could prevent the late-game collapses that we became so familiar with last year. I think signing Peppers and drafting a big defensive lineman with the first pick will help to turn around the defense. As long as the special teams also improve, there's no reason not to think that the Packers can't be among the top 3 teams in the NFC. The Packers also have the cap room to give Peppers the contract he would need.Yes, this is an optimistic viewpoint, and it's probably unlikely with Thompson running the show, and maybe that's for the best, but it all just seems to make so much sense. I can't wait to see how it all plays out in a couple weeks.

With the tag in place, it all but cements Green Bay staying away from him. I guess it's possible a sign and trade could happen somehow, but the Packer certainly aren't going togive up the picks to sign him.

Yes, I think those hopes were highly contingent on the Panthers having to tag Gross. I don't think the Packers would possibly trade more than a second round pick, and there's little chance of the Panthers accepting that unless things get really acrimonious between the team and Peppers. Of course, we'd also have to find out if Peppers would have any desire to play in Green Bay, and I'm leaning towards doubtful on that one.

 

[sho nuff]

Lots of FAs came off the wire. Hayesworth is likely too pricey...that and does he fit better at DT or DE in the 3-4. Seems his talent may be wasted in a 3-4.

The problem now is that some of the 2nd tier guys that TT may go after, become the more compelling guys for other teams too...driving up their price. Will he pay it?

With the #9...so many options...but if he goes with an OT to start grooming to replace Clifton...how many of the TT bashers will kill him for drafting for the future again?

 

[bcr8f]

Lots of FAs came off the wire. Hayesworth is likely too pricey...that and does he fit better at DT or DE in the 3-4. Seems his talent may be wasted in a 3-4.The problem now is that some of the 2nd tier guys that TT may go after, become the more compelling guys for other teams too...driving up their price. Will he pay it?With the #9...so many options...but if he goes with an OT to start grooming to replace Clifton...how many of the TT bashers will kill him for drafting for the future again?

I think he'll trade down to 20 unless Curry or a top o lineman is there and put up another 2nd or 3rd.

 

[sho nuff]

Lots of FAs came off the wire. Hayesworth is likely too pricey...that and does he fit better at DT or DE in the 3-4. Seems his talent may be wasted in a 3-4.The problem now is that some of the 2nd tier guys that TT may go after, become the more compelling guys for other teams too...driving up their price. Will he pay it?With the #9...so many options...but if he goes with an OT to start grooming to replace Clifton...how many of the TT bashers will kill him for drafting for the future again?

I think he'll trade down to 20 unless Curry or a top o lineman is there and put up another 2nd or 3rd.

He might try...depends if there is a serious offer to trade down.Id be fine with Raji though.

 

[uwgb96]

With the #9...so many options...but if he goes with an OT to start grooming to replace Clifton...how many of the TT bashers will kill him for drafting for the future again?

Probably a good bit of backlash, but that's what I like about Thompson, he does what he feels is best for the team (now AND in the future) and doesn't let public opinion change anything.

 

[sho nuff]

With the #9...so many options...but if he goes with an OT to start grooming to replace Clifton...how many of the TT bashers will kill him for drafting for the future again?

Probably a good bit of backlash, but that's what I like about Thompson, he does what he feels is best for the team (now AND in the future) and doesn't let public opinion change anything.

Agreed...IMO, it proves that many people just will not be pleased to matter what he does.The same people that whine that he does not do enough about now and only the future, will whine that he is not addressing the need for when Clifton is gone.

 

[Phase of the Game]

With the #9...so many options...but if he goes with an OT to start grooming to replace Clifton...how many of the TT bashers will kill him for drafting for the future again?

Probably a good bit of backlash, but that's what I like about Thompson, he does what he feels is best for the team (now AND in the future) and doesn't let public opinion change anything.

Agreed...IMO, it proves that many people just will not be pleased to matter what he does.The same people that whine that he does not do enough about now and only the future, will whine that he is not addressing the need for when Clifton is gone.

Even some TT supporters would question taking on OL at #9 considering the team needs an impact player to help with a new 3-4 scheme on defense. Thompson has had 4 years to build the team and after a 6-10 season he is under more pressure to win now. The top 3 left tackles are likely to be gone at #9 and the 4th, Michale Oher, has character issues.The defensive tackle group is thin this year and that may be where TT goes with Raji. TT may draft for the future again but if the Packers don't have a successful season he may not be around for that future.Not one of these mocks have TT taking an OL at #92009 NFL Mock Drafts Whom will the Packers select in the first round? It's early, but here's how some of the notable mock drafts on the Web see it:NFLDraftScout.com (Rang)Aaron Curry, LB, Wake ForestLast update: Feb. 17Scout.com (Steuber)B.J. Raji, DT, Boston CollegeLast update: Feb. 16National Football PostB.J. Raji, DT, Boston CollegeLast update: Feb. 16FoxSports (Schrager)Everette Brown, DE, Florida St.Last update: Feb. 3Scouts Inc. (McShay):Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio St. Last update: Feb. 2Pro Football Weekly (Nawrocki):Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio St. Last update: Jan. 30draftinsiders (Coyle):Aaron Curry, LB, Wake ForestLast update: Jan. 27SI.com (Banks):Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia TechLast update: Jan. 22ESPN (Kiper):Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio St. Last update: Jan. 22

 

[griz145389]

I really don't care who he picks at a specific spot in the draft. What I want done is between free agency and the draft he gets at least 2 new people for the O-line that can either start now or very soon, one de that would start for us, an upgrade to at least one lb spot, and a cb that can play nickle and take over in the near future as our cbs age, and a DT that can do more than just take up space. I would like at least 3 of these players to be significant upgrades. Whether that is accomplished through the draft or free agency I really don't care, but I doubt it can be accomplished solely through one or the other.

 

[sho nuff]

Phase...I actually agree that if the top 3 are gone, I don't like LT there. If one of them slips...I don't mind it. Clifton has to be planned for. We don't want another KGB like situation coming up in camp/early season where its evident a guy just does not have it anymore and there is no replacement ready. Unless they really feel Colledge can do it.

It looks like Tauscher also will not be back.

But I just find it funny that the same people who would whine if he takes a Tackle...will be the first ones to bash him if something happens to Clifton and they have nothing to plug in.

 

[sho nuff]

I really don't care who he picks at a specific spot in the draft. What I want done is between free agency and the draft he gets at least 2 new people for the O-line that can either start now or very soon, one de that would start for us, an upgrade to at least one lb spot, and a cb that can play nickle and take over in the near future as our cbs age, and a DT that can do more than just take up space. I would like at least 3 of these players to be significant upgrades. Whether that is accomplished through the draft or free agency I really don't care, but I doubt it can be accomplished solely through one or the other.

Not sure what is out there for the OL. Its possible they have 2 new starters on the right side that they drafted last year.If Tauscher does not resign...Giacomini could be in there..Sitton could be in there at RG (he was impressing the coaches during camp til his own injuries).But I agree, they really need to add some more at LB and DE. I think Pickett can be fine at NT...but I like what Raji can bring. With Pickett still there, he would not need to have too much pressure on him there.Outside of taking the 4th OT or a WR, I don't see many picks at #9 that would bother me this year.But the other question about free agency...how many real upgrades are out there.Outside of Haynesworth...who is really an impact defensive free agent right now?I like a few of the LB/DE FAs...but not sure any of them are true impact guys (Crowder? Canty? Olshansky?) Are those guys really impact players?

 

[Phase of the Game]

But I just find it funny that the same people who would whine if he takes a Tackle...will be the first ones to bash him if something happens to Clifton and they have nothing to plug in.

I find it funny that nothing has happened yet and you are making comments like this. You do realize that TT can address replacing Clifton without taking an OL in the first round.

 

[bcr8f]

I really don't care who he picks at a specific spot in the draft. What I want done is between free agency and the draft he gets at least 2 new people for the O-line that can either start now or very soon, one de that would start for us, an upgrade to at least one lb spot, and a cb that can play nickle and take over in the near future as our cbs age, and a DT that can do more than just take up space. I would like at least 3 of these players to be significant upgrades. Whether that is accomplished through the draft or free agency I really don't care, but I doubt it can be accomplished solely through one or the other.

Not sure what is out there for the OL. Its possible they have 2 new starters on the right side that they drafted last year.If Tauscher does not resign...Giacomini could be in there..Sitton could be in there at RG (he was impressing the coaches during camp til his own injuries).But I agree, they really need to add some more at LB and DE. I think Pickett can be fine at NT...but I like what Raji can bring. With Pickett still there, he would not need to have too much pressure on him there.Outside of taking the 4th OT or a WR, I don't see many picks at #9 that would bother me this year.But the other question about free agency...how many real upgrades are out there.Outside of Haynesworth...who is really an impact defensive free agent right now?I like a few of the LB/DE FAs...but not sure any of them are true impact guys (Crowder? Canty? Olshansky?) Are those guys really impact players?

Cooper CarlisleVernon CareyMarvel SmithKhalif BarnesJon StinchcombPete Kendall Chris Kemoeatu are FA's.INDIANAPOLIS – Coach Mike McCarthy will try to limit the position-hopping for his offensive linemen this offseason and in training camp in an effort to get better play from that group.Among the decisions he’ll have to make soon is whether to move fourth-year pro Jason Spitz to a full-time center.Spitz has been primarily a right guard in his first three seasons, though he’s played center and left guard at times because of injuries along the offensive line.Two factors could lead to moving him to center full time: First, it appears to his best position, and second, one of the Packers’ most promising young players is right guard Josh Sitton, who could be ready to become a starter this year.Moving Spitz to center means he and Scott Wells, the starter the past four years, would battle for the starting job. McCarthy wouldn’t commit to the move Friday during an interview at the NFL scouting combine, but considering Sitton’s promise and Wells’ offseason surgery for a torn labrum, it appears to be a good possibility.“We’ll look at it,” McCarthy said. “Scott’s coming off his surgery. Either there or right guard (for Spitz). That’s what I’m talking about, we need to create competition with those guys and let them compete, let them win a job.”McCarthy is most concerned that the position juggling has affected Spitz and left guard Daryn Colledge’s play and hurt the continuity of the offensive line as a whole. Colledge not only is the starter at left guard, but he’s also filled in as Chad Clifton’s backup at left tackle, and he’s played some right guard as well.Teams have to cross train offensive linemen to a certain degree, because they generally suit up only seven on game day and often have to move players around if there’s an injury or two on the line. But McCarthy said the Packers have done too much of that the past three years in their attempts to get their five best linemen on the field. “I know injuries have played a part of that, and you can’t avoid that,” McCarthy said. “But we’ve had a number of, particularly our young players, moving around playing different positions. The continuity you establish by setting your five or creating more competition at specific positions is something we’re definitely looking at. With that thought process in place, our younger players, Sitton, (right tackle Breno) Giacomini and (left guard) Allen Barbre, definitely a number of you can throw into that conversation, will have a better opportunity to play this year.”

 

[sho nuff]

But I just find it funny that the same people who would whine if he takes a Tackle...will be the first ones to bash him if something happens to Clifton and they have nothing to plug in.

I find it funny that nothing has happened yet and you are making comments like this. You do realize that TT can address replacing Clifton without taking an OL in the first round.

Im making comments like it because it keeps happening over and over with the guy.Yup, he can address it elsewhere. Care to look at the history of OTs earlier in the draft vs. later? Its one of the safest positions out there to not have a bust.

 

[Phase of the Game]

But I just find it funny that the same people who would whine if he takes a Tackle...will be the first ones to bash him if something happens to Clifton and they have nothing to plug in.

I find it funny that nothing has happened yet and you are making comments like this. You do realize that TT can address replacing Clifton without taking an OL in the first round.

Im making comments like it because it keeps happening over and over with the guy.Yup, he can address it elsewhere. Care to look at the history of OTs earlier in the draft vs. later? Its one of the safest positions out there to not have a bust.

Care to look at the history of OTs that have been drafted after the first round? You are once again trying to stir things up by taking shots at TT bashers before the draft has been completed.

 

[sho nuff]

I really don't care who he picks at a specific spot in the draft. What I want done is between free agency and the draft he gets at least 2 new people for the O-line that can either start now or very soon, one de that would start for us, an upgrade to at least one lb spot, and a cb that can play nickle and take over in the near future as our cbs age, and a DT that can do more than just take up space. I would like at least 3 of these players to be significant upgrades. Whether that is accomplished through the draft or free agency I really don't care, but I doubt it can be accomplished solely through one or the other.

Not sure what is out there for the OL. Its possible they have 2 new starters on the right side that they drafted last year.If Tauscher does not resign...Giacomini could be in there..Sitton could be in there at RG (he was impressing the coaches during camp til his own injuries).But I agree, they really need to add some more at LB and DE. I think Pickett can be fine at NT...but I like what Raji can bring. With Pickett still there, he would not need to have too much pressure on him there.Outside of taking the 4th OT or a WR, I don't see many picks at #9 that would bother me this year.But the other question about free agency...how many real upgrades are out there.Outside of Haynesworth...who is really an impact defensive free agent right now?I like a few of the LB/DE FAs...but not sure any of them are true impact guys (Crowder? Canty? Olshansky?) Are those guys really impact players?

Cooper CarlisleVernon CareyMarvel SmithKhalif BarnesJon StinchcombPete Kendall Chris Kemoeatu are FA's.

Barnes about the #1 tackle now...is he worth what he might command now with Gross signed?And should we spend that much on an LT when we have Clifton?Smith is 30...is that the kind of replacement we want for Clifton?I like Carey though at RT.Stinch? Might as well sign Tauscher.There are some ok options...but with some of the signings...they will command more at LT (when we already have Clifton).Carey is intriguing...though, some of the other RT options seem no different than Tauscher (but Tauscher has the injury).I just don't want to sign 29-30 year old guys though to replace a 31 year old.Kendall? You want to sign a 35 year old to a free agent deal?Kemoeatu and Carlisle maybe. Kem...can he play in the zone scheme. Carlisle can but his profile seems so similar to Colledge (lacking power).I would not mind a guy being brought in...i think Colledge is ok at LG and even RT. I think we will get a good look at Sitton at RG as it was looking that way last offseason til he got hurt. Giacomini? I just don't know how far along they think he really is.

 

[Phase of the Game]

But I just find it funny that the same people who would whine if he takes a Tackle...will be the first ones to bash him if something happens to Clifton and they have nothing to plug in.

Like how TT had nothing to plug in for KGB as you noted in this thread?

 

[sho nuff]

But I just find it funny that the same people who would whine if he takes a Tackle...will be the first ones to bash him if something happens to Clifton and they have nothing to plug in.

I find it funny that nothing has happened yet and you are making comments like this. You do realize that TT can address replacing Clifton without taking an OL in the first round.

Im making comments like it because it keeps happening over and over with the guy.Yup, he can address it elsewhere. Care to look at the history of OTs earlier in the draft vs. later? Its one of the safest positions out there to not have a bust.

Care to look at the history of OTs that have been drafted after the first round? You are once again trying to stir things up by taking shots at TT bashers before the draft has been completed.

Sure...more guys in the later rounds will bust out than in the first. Its simple.Im not trying to stir anything up...im posting an observation on how some people react no matter what TT does. Mark my words...if he goes OT...people will whine about it.If he does not and Clifton gets hurt...people will whine that he did nothing to address it. Just like people complained that they took Jordy. Did not see many people whining when he was producing while Jones and Martin were hurt. You can bet there would have been plenty of complaints had Nelson not been around.

 

[sho nuff]

Look, it happened with Rodgers. People complained for a few years that they were not prepared for life without Favre. THe minute Rodgers was drafted there were people complaining that they were drafting for the future and not for right then.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

With the #9...so many options...but if he goes with an OT to start grooming to replace Clifton...how many of the TT bashers will kill him for drafting for the future again?

Probably a good bit of backlash, but that's what I like about Thompson, he does what he feels is best for the team (now AND in the future) and doesn't let public opinion change anything.

Agreed...IMO, it proves that many people just will not be pleased to matter what he does.The same people that whine that he does not do enough about now and only the future, will whine that he is not addressing the need for when Clifton is gone.

Even some TT supporters would question taking on OL at #9 considering the team needs an impact player to help with a new 3-4 scheme on defense. Thompson has had 4 years to build the team and after a 6-10 season he is under more pressure to win now. The top 3 left tackles are likely to be gone at #9 and the 4th, Michale Oher, has character issues.The defensive tackle group is thin this year and that may be where TT goes with Raji. TT may draft for the future again but if the Packers don't have a successful season he may not be around for that future.Not one of these mocks have TT taking an OL at #92009 NFL Mock Drafts Whom will the Packers select in the first round? It's early, but here's how some of the notable mock drafts on the Web see it:NFLDraftScout.com (Rang)Aaron Curry, LB, Wake ForestLast update: Feb. 17Scout.com (Steuber)B.J. Raji, DT, Boston CollegeLast update: Feb. 16National Football PostB.J. Raji, DT, Boston CollegeLast update: Feb. 16FoxSports (Schrager)Everette Brown, DE, Florida St.Last update: Feb. 3Scouts Inc. (McShay):Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio St. Last update: Feb. 2Pro Football Weekly (Nawrocki):Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio St. Last update: Jan. 30draftinsiders (Coyle):Aaron Curry, LB, Wake ForestLast update: Jan. 27SI.com (Banks):Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia TechLast update: Jan. 22ESPN (Kiper):Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio St. Last update: Jan. 22

Very sho is showing his true TT blind supporter colors again.

 

[sho nuff]

But I just find it funny that the same people who would whine if he takes a Tackle...will be the first ones to bash him if something happens to Clifton and they have nothing to plug in.

Like how TT had nothing to plug in for KGB as you noted in this thread?

Exactly.He relied on TT coming back from injury...and it did not happen. IMO, he thought he had at least another year out of him.I have read though that they will not make that same mistake this year. That they will have some plan for if Clifton's knees do not hold up.

 

[sho nuff]

With the #9...so many options...but if he goes with an OT to start grooming to replace Clifton...how many of the TT bashers will kill him for drafting for the future again?

Probably a good bit of backlash, but that's what I like about Thompson, he does what he feels is best for the team (now AND in the future) and doesn't let public opinion change anything.

Agreed...IMO, it proves that many people just will not be pleased to matter what he does.The same people that whine that he does not do enough about now and only the future, will whine that he is not addressing the need for when Clifton is gone.

Even some TT supporters would question taking on OL at #9 considering the team needs an impact player to help with a new 3-4 scheme on defense. Thompson has had 4 years to build the team and after a 6-10 season he is under more pressure to win now. The top 3 left tackles are likely to be gone at #9 and the 4th, Michale Oher, has character issues.The defensive tackle group is thin this year and that may be where TT goes with Raji. TT may draft for the future again but if the Packers don't have a successful season he may not be around for that future.Not one of these mocks have TT taking an OL at #92009 NFL Mock Drafts Whom will the Packers select in the first round? It's early, but here's how some of the notable mock drafts on the Web see it:NFLDraftScout.com (Rang)Aaron Curry, LB, Wake ForestLast update: Feb. 17Scout.com (Steuber)B.J. Raji, DT, Boston CollegeLast update: Feb. 16National Football PostB.J. Raji, DT, Boston CollegeLast update: Feb. 16FoxSports (Schrager)Everette Brown, DE, Florida St.Last update: Feb. 3Scouts Inc. (McShay):Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio St. Last update: Feb. 2Pro Football Weekly (Nawrocki):Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio St. Last update: Jan. 30draftinsiders (Coyle):Aaron Curry, LB, Wake ForestLast update: Jan. 27SI.com (Banks):Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia TechLast update: Jan. 22ESPN (Kiper):Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio St. Last update: Jan. 22

Very sho is showing his true TT blind supporter colors again.

Beaver showing his blind bashing again.As my post was not about supporting him...but about pointing out the inevitable bashing if he drafts and OT.And I stated...if he drafts one outside of the top 3, I will most likely not be happy (if its Oher that is).

 

[Phase of the Game]

But I just find it funny that the same people who would whine if he takes a Tackle...will be the first ones to bash him if something happens to Clifton and they have nothing to plug in.

Like how TT had nothing to plug in for KGB as you noted in this thread?

Exactly.He relied on TT coming back from injury...and it did not happen. IMO, he thought he had at least another year out of him.I have read though that they will not make that same mistake this year. That they will have some plan for if Clifton's knees do not hold up.

If you are confident they will have a plan to address Clifton(and I agree), then how can you predict that TT will get bashed for having nothing to plug in for Clifton?

 

[sho nuff]

But I just find it funny that the same people who would whine if he takes a Tackle...will be the first ones to bash him if something happens to Clifton and they have nothing to plug in.

Like how TT had nothing to plug in for KGB as you noted in this thread?

Exactly.He relied on TT coming back from injury...and it did not happen. IMO, he thought he had at least another year out of him.I have read though that they will not make that same mistake this year. That they will have some plan for if Clifton's knees do not hold up.

If you are confident they will have a plan to address Clifton(and I agree), then how can you predict that TT will get bashed for having nothing to plug in for Clifton?

Im confident they have a plan. Im worrying that their plan is Daryn Colledge.