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**Not-so-offical Green Bay Packers Off-season Thread** (1 Viewer)

But I just find it funny that the same people who would whine if he takes a Tackle...will be the first ones to bash him if something happens to Clifton and they have nothing to plug in.
Like how TT had nothing to plug in for KGB as you noted in this thread?
Exactly.He relied on TT coming back from injury...and it did not happen. IMO, he thought he had at least another year out of him.I have read though that they will not make that same mistake this year. That they will have some plan for if Clifton's knees do not hold up.
If you are confident they will have a plan to address Clifton(and I agree), then how can you predict that TT will get bashed for having nothing to plug in for Clifton? :bye: :lmao:
Im confident they have a plan. Im worrying that their plan is Daryn Colledge.
Once again you talk out of both sides of your mouth. So you are worried that TT may not have the correct plan to address replacing Clifton yet you are taking shots at TT bashers if they criticize him for not properly addressing the situation. WOW! :goodposting:
 
But I just find it funny that the same people who would whine if he takes a Tackle...will be the first ones to bash him if something happens to Clifton and they have nothing to plug in.
Like how TT had nothing to plug in for KGB as you noted in this thread?
Exactly.He relied on TT coming back from injury...and it did not happen. IMO, he thought he had at least another year out of him.I have read though that they will not make that same mistake this year. That they will have some plan for if Clifton's knees do not hold up.
If you are confident they will have a plan to address Clifton(and I agree), then how can you predict that TT will get bashed for having nothing to plug in for Clifton? :rolleyes: :confused:
Im confident they have a plan. Im worrying that their plan is Daryn Colledge.
Once again you talk out of both sides of your mouth. So you are worried that TT may not have the correct plan to address replacing Clifton yet you are taking shots at TT bashers if they criticize him for not properly addressing the situation. WOW! :thumbdown:
:goodposting: sho doesn't appear very stable.
 
But I just find it funny that the same people who would whine if he takes a Tackle...will be the first ones to bash him if something happens to Clifton and they have nothing to plug in.
Like how TT had nothing to plug in for KGB as you noted in this thread?
Exactly.He relied on TT coming back from injury...and it did not happen. IMO, he thought he had at least another year out of him.I have read though that they will not make that same mistake this year. That they will have some plan for if Clifton's knees do not hold up.
If you are confident they will have a plan to address Clifton(and I agree), then how can you predict that TT will get bashed for having nothing to plug in for Clifton? :rolleyes: :confused:
Im confident they have a plan. Im worrying that their plan is Daryn Colledge.
Once again you talk out of both sides of your mouth. So you are worried that TT may not have the correct plan to address replacing Clifton yet you are taking shots at TT bashers if they criticize him for not properly addressing the situation. WOW! :thumbdown:
Im not talking out of both sides of my mouth.Im talking about people that would bash him for taking a tackle (who may very well be very good).And my worry that Tt may plan to use a tackle that so far has not been good at all at LT and is probably needed elsewhere on the line.THough, its no shock that you don't get it and like a moth to the flame another of the usual suspects is posting at your heels with a :goodposting: because some just can't have an original thought.Im taking a shot at those who will whine no matter what he does...they are out there...they have been out there...they will continue to be out there.But simple logic has always been lost on some here.
 
But I just find it funny that the same people who would whine if he takes a Tackle...will be the first ones to bash him if something happens to Clifton and they have nothing to plug in.
Like how TT had nothing to plug in for KGB as you noted in this thread?
Exactly.He relied on TT coming back from injury...and it did not happen. IMO, he thought he had at least another year out of him.I have read though that they will not make that same mistake this year. That they will have some plan for if Clifton's knees do not hold up.
If you are confident they will have a plan to address Clifton(and I agree), then how can you predict that TT will get bashed for having nothing to plug in for Clifton? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Im confident they have a plan. Im worrying that their plan is Daryn Colledge.
Once again you talk out of both sides of your mouth. So you are worried that TT may not have the correct plan to address replacing Clifton yet you are taking shots at TT bashers if they criticize him for not properly addressing the situation. WOW! :confused:
:goodposting: sho doesn't appear very stable.
Thanks for again proving you add nothing to these threads other than a :thumbdown: and bashing and insults.
 
I know how this will be met...but felt I would post it anyway.

For the record on this.

I don't think TT or Brett are being totally truthful about what happened...but I found the story interesting

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/40028457.html
There is nothing wrong with that being posted....except by the person that claims they go to no lengths to bash Favre.
Where did I bash him? Oh wait...just another baseless comment.I posted an interesting article about a man's opinion of the situation.

I claimed that I don't think either TT or Favre was completely truthful...I guess that is a bash.

As for what lengths I go to bash Favre...where did I claim that? Or are you spinning the "diminishing him" comments?

 
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I know how this will be met...but felt I would post it anyway.

For the record on this.

I don't think TT or Brett are being totally truthful about what happened...but I found the story interesting

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/40028457.html
There is nothing wrong with that being posted....except by the person that claims they go to no lengths to diminish Favre.
Where did I bash him? Oh wait...just another baseless comment.
You posted it. You know darn well what you were doing. You try to be subtle but eveyone knows how you operate.
 
I know how this will be met...but felt I would post it anyway.

For the record on this.

I don't think TT or Brett are being totally truthful about what happened...but I found the story interesting

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/40028457.html
There is nothing wrong with that being posted....except by the person that claims they go to no lengths to diminish Favre.
Where did I bash him? Oh wait...just another baseless comment.
You posted it. You know darn well what you were doing. You try to be subtle but eveyone knows how you operate.
I do...I even stated what I was doing and told you what my thoughts on it were. I found the story interesting so I posted it.I could also post McCarthy's comments about how honest he finds McCarthy.

Not trying to be subtle...when I posted it I stated I knew how it would be met...and you are not disappointing in your predictability.

 
I know how this will be met...but felt I would post it anyway.

For the record on this.

I don't think TT or Brett are being totally truthful about what happened...but I found the story interesting

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/40028457.html
There is nothing wrong with that being posted....except by the person that claims they go to no lengths to diminish Favre.
Where did I bash him? Oh wait...just another baseless comment.
You posted it. You know darn well what you were doing. You try to be subtle but eveyone knows how you operate.
I do...I even stated what I was doing and told you what my thoughts on it were. I found the story interesting so I posted it.I could also post McCarthy's comments about how honest he finds McCarthy.

Not trying to be subtle...when I posted it I stated I knew how it would be met...and you are not disappointing in your predictability.
I have no problem with the article being posted except by you......you take your shots at Favre all the time and always deny you do. You talk out of both sides of your mouth all the time.Oh....and the comments McCarthy made were about Thompson not himself and of course McCarthy is going to support his BOSS!!!!

 
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I know how this will be met...but felt I would post it anyway.

For the record on this.

I don't think TT or Brett are being totally truthful about what happened...but I found the story interesting

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/40028457.html
There is nothing wrong with that being posted....except by the person that claims they go to no lengths to diminish Favre.
Where did I bash him? Oh wait...just another baseless comment.
You posted it. You know darn well what you were doing. You try to be subtle but eveyone knows how you operate.
I do...I even stated what I was doing and told you what my thoughts on it were. I found the story interesting so I posted it.I could also post McCarthy's comments about how honest he finds McCarthy.

Not trying to be subtle...when I posted it I stated I knew how it would be met...and you are not disappointing in your predictability.
I have no problem with the article being posted except by you......you take your shots at Favre all the time and always deny you do. You talk out of both sides of your mouth all the time.Oh....and the comments McCarthy made were about Thompson not himself and of course McCarthy is going to support his BOSS!!!!
Yawn...same old lies.I do not take my shots at Favre all the time.

I took them last year when things were going on at how things went down.

I took them at his play this year when his play warranted some shots being taken.

I deny plenty of things that are completely false and not based in reality (which is a majority of your accusations).

Yes...Sorry, I made a typo. But the fact that this guy is echoing the same things, means maybe McCarthy has a point.

Again, that said, I don't think either party was completely truthful last year.

 
Could it be possible to stop rehashing the Favre argument? No one is going to convince anyone else on how to feel as every one already has there mind made up. I miss seeing number 4 suit up for the Packers, but he doesn't do that anymore, so lets all move on to the current Packer era.

I believe there are plenty of things to be critical of Thompson about, and this is a fine place to discuss that. But can we stop with all the Favre stuff?

My biggest issue with Thompson is not the Favre disaster of last year, but all the holes that we currently have on the team. While we have some decent players, there are also a lot of spots that need improvement. We seriously need some tackles to come in this year. I don't believe Colledge is the answer there. Giacomini has been talked about, but he hasn't seen any action yet, so the jury is still out on him. I am hoping they could go after Barnes, and Carey in free agency for the oline, and Canty for the dline. None of those guys are superstars, but I believe they would all be upgrades to what we currently have. In the draft I am hoping we either grab Raji or Jenkins with the #9 pick, as I see those two having the potential to be game changers. If we don't grab one of them, I hope we trade down and get an extra 2nd or third round pick. Then with the rest of the picks in the second and third I would like to see offensive linemen, and linebacker positions addressed.

 
Could it be possible to stop rehashing the Favre argument? No one is going to convince anyone else on how to feel as every one already has there mind made up. I miss seeing number 4 suit up for the Packers, but he doesn't do that anymore, so lets all move on to the current Packer era. I believe there are plenty of things to be critical of Thompson about, and this is a fine place to discuss that. But can we stop with all the Favre stuff? My biggest issue with Thompson is not the Favre disaster of last year, but all the holes that we currently have on the team. While we have some decent players, there are also a lot of spots that need improvement. We seriously need some tackles to come in this year. I don't believe Colledge is the answer there. Giacomini has been talked about, but he hasn't seen any action yet, so the jury is still out on him. I am hoping they could go after Barnes, and Carey in free agency for the oline, and Canty for the dline. None of those guys are superstars, but I believe they would all be upgrades to what we currently have. In the draft I am hoping we either grab Raji or Jenkins with the #9 pick, as I see those two having the potential to be game changers. If we don't grab one of them, I hope we trade down and get an extra 2nd or third round pick. Then with the rest of the picks in the second and third I would like to see offensive linemen, and linebacker positions addressed.
Carey has already signed with Miami. I love Canty in the 3-4 but word is he is asking for a ton of money. A 3-4 end is not worth huge $$$$ unless they are really elite. Canty is not. If we are going to spend big money it should be on a nose tackle. AS of right now, I would love it if BJ Raji made it to our our pick, but I have a feeling he will not be there. If he is not, one of the O Tackles would be the choice here. The 3-4 is going to be a work in progress this season. The bad part is that we really don't know how any of our linebackers are going to respond at their positions. The only player I see as a true 3-4 LB is Brady Poppinga on the outside. I have serious questions about AJ Hawk in the middle (or the outside for that matter). I can see us running 4-3 at times.
 
Could it be possible to stop rehashing the Favre argument? No one is going to convince anyone else on how to feel as every one already has there mind made up. I miss seeing number 4 suit up for the Packers, but he doesn't do that anymore, so lets all move on to the current Packer era. I believe there are plenty of things to be critical of Thompson about, and this is a fine place to discuss that. But can we stop with all the Favre stuff? My biggest issue with Thompson is not the Favre disaster of last year, but all the holes that we currently have on the team. While we have some decent players, there are also a lot of spots that need improvement. We seriously need some tackles to come in this year. I don't believe Colledge is the answer there. Giacomini has been talked about, but he hasn't seen any action yet, so the jury is still out on him. I am hoping they could go after Barnes, and Carey in free agency for the oline, and Canty for the dline. None of those guys are superstars, but I believe they would all be upgrades to what we currently have. In the draft I am hoping we either grab Raji or Jenkins with the #9 pick, as I see those two having the potential to be game changers. If we don't grab one of them, I hope we trade down and get an extra 2nd or third round pick. Then with the rest of the picks in the second and third I would like to see offensive linemen, and linebacker positions addressed.
I don't think Colledge is the answer at LT...but I think he could play RT just fine if Giacomini is not ready yet.I doubt you see them go after both Barnes and Carey.First...Barnes...not sure of the price tag now with Gross gone. Its interesting though, cause they say he "can" play LT. But is he more of an RT now and LT next year if Giacomini is ready. The reason I don't see it happening. The last line of several reviews on the guy is along the lines of "this is the kind of guy you don't want to overpay to get".Carey, Im on board. Plug him in at guard and let Colledge play RT for now.No way they go for those 3 in FA though, I could see 2 guys...but no way TT pays 3 for that money. The cap space is not that big with having to also pay the #9 pick, plus wanting to extend a few others like Jennings this year.
 
Could it be possible to stop rehashing the Favre argument? No one is going to convince anyone else on how to feel as every one already has there mind made up. I miss seeing number 4 suit up for the Packers, but he doesn't do that anymore, so lets all move on to the current Packer era. I believe there are plenty of things to be critical of Thompson about, and this is a fine place to discuss that. But can we stop with all the Favre stuff? My biggest issue with Thompson is not the Favre disaster of last year, but all the holes that we currently have on the team. While we have some decent players, there are also a lot of spots that need improvement. We seriously need some tackles to come in this year. I don't believe Colledge is the answer there. Giacomini has been talked about, but he hasn't seen any action yet, so the jury is still out on him. I am hoping they could go after Barnes, and Carey in free agency for the oline, and Canty for the dline. None of those guys are superstars, but I believe they would all be upgrades to what we currently have. In the draft I am hoping we either grab Raji or Jenkins with the #9 pick, as I see those two having the potential to be game changers. If we don't grab one of them, I hope we trade down and get an extra 2nd or third round pick. Then with the rest of the picks in the second and third I would like to see offensive linemen, and linebacker positions addressed.
Carey has already signed with Miami. I love Canty in the 3-4 but word is he is asking for a ton of money. A 3-4 end is not worth huge $$$$ unless they are really elite. Canty is not. If we are going to spend big money it should be on a nose tackle. AS of right now, I would love it if BJ Raji made it to our our pick, but I have a feeling he will not be there. If he is not, one of the O Tackles would be the choice here. The 3-4 is going to be a work in progress this season. The bad part is that we really don't know how any of our linebackers are going to respond at their positions. The only player I see as a true 3-4 LB is Brady Poppinga on the outside. I have serious questions about AJ Hawk in the middle (or the outside for that matter). I can see us running 4-3 at times.
IMO...if Raji is gone...it means one of the top OTs or Jenkins has fallen (though, now with the Crabtree injury, it may mean he is falling...that injury may have hurt GB's draft options here)And the coaches have said there will be some 4-3 at times.
 
Could it be possible to stop rehashing the Favre argument? No one is going to convince anyone else on how to feel as every one already has there mind made up. I miss seeing number 4 suit up for the Packers, but he doesn't do that anymore, so lets all move on to the current Packer era.
I agree yet sho had to post that article in a thread that is about the Packers off-season...what a surpirse. I think he did it because he was looking foolish just before that about TT and addressing Clifton.
 
Could it be possible to stop rehashing the Favre argument? No one is going to convince anyone else on how to feel as every one already has there mind made up. I miss seeing number 4 suit up for the Packers, but he doesn't do that anymore, so lets all move on to the current Packer era. I believe there are plenty of things to be critical of Thompson about, and this is a fine place to discuss that. But can we stop with all the Favre stuff? My biggest issue with Thompson is not the Favre disaster of last year, but all the holes that we currently have on the team. While we have some decent players, there are also a lot of spots that need improvement. We seriously need some tackles to come in this year. I don't believe Colledge is the answer there. Giacomini has been talked about, but he hasn't seen any action yet, so the jury is still out on him. I am hoping they could go after Barnes, and Carey in free agency for the oline, and Canty for the dline. None of those guys are superstars, but I believe they would all be upgrades to what we currently have. In the draft I am hoping we either grab Raji or Jenkins with the #9 pick, as I see those two having the potential to be game changers. If we don't grab one of them, I hope we trade down and get an extra 2nd or third round pick. Then with the rest of the picks in the second and third I would like to see offensive linemen, and linebacker positions addressed.
Carey has already signed with Miami. I love Canty in the 3-4 but word is he is asking for a ton of money. A 3-4 end is not worth huge $$$$ unless they are really elite. Canty is not. If we are going to spend big money it should be on a nose tackle. AS of right now, I would love it if BJ Raji made it to our our pick, but I have a feeling he will not be there. If he is not, one of the O Tackles would be the choice here. The 3-4 is going to be a work in progress this season. The bad part is that we really don't know how any of our linebackers are going to respond at their positions. The only player I see as a true 3-4 LB is Brady Poppinga on the outside. I have serious questions about AJ Hawk in the middle (or the outside for that matter). I can see us running 4-3 at times.
What about Popinga have you seen that makes you think he could play outside linebacker in the 3-4? He has shown no pass rushing ability at all. I actually think Hawk could be pretty good as an outside backer in a 3-4.
 
Could it be possible to stop rehashing the Favre argument? No one is going to convince anyone else on how to feel as every one already has there mind made up. I miss seeing number 4 suit up for the Packers, but he doesn't do that anymore, so lets all move on to the current Packer era.
I agree yet sho had to post that article in a thread that is about the Packers off-season...what a surpirse. I think he did it because he was looking foolish just before that about TT and addressing Clifton.
The article came in the offseason. Where else should it be posted?But again, you make it about me...which is really not a surprise.Looking foolish about TT addressing Clifton? Only to the select few that were pretty much the basis of my post.
 
Could it be possible to stop rehashing the Favre argument? No one is going to convince anyone else on how to feel as every one already has there mind made up. I miss seeing number 4 suit up for the Packers, but he doesn't do that anymore, so lets all move on to the current Packer era.
I agree yet sho had to post that article in a thread that is about the Packers off-season...what a surpirse. I think he did it because he was looking foolish just before that about TT and addressing Clifton.
The article came in the offseason. Where else should it be posted?
Probably in one of the Favre threads. :thumbup: Don't act so damn innocent. You know darn well this thread has be devoted to what the Packers will do in the off-season to prepare for the 2009 season. You claim you go to no lengths to diminish Favre yet you post an article that doesn't make him look good in this thread. Pathetic.
 
Could it be possible to stop rehashing the Favre argument? No one is going to convince anyone else on how to feel as every one already has there mind made up. I miss seeing number 4 suit up for the Packers, but he doesn't do that anymore, so lets all move on to the current Packer era.
I agree yet sho had to post that article in a thread that is about the Packers off-season...what a surpirse. I think he did it because he was looking foolish just before that about TT and addressing Clifton.
The article came in the offseason. Where else should it be posted?
Probably in one of the Favre threads. :lmao: Don't act so damn innocent. You know darn well this thread has be devoted to what the Packers will do in the off-season to prepare for the 2009 season. You claim you go to no lengths to diminish Favre yet you post an article that doesn't make him look good in this thread. Pathetic.
Im not acting.I posted an article. I prefaced I knew how it would be perceived by a select few of you...and none of you disappointed (you, ookie, phase, and beaver). All predictably had little to nothing to say about what was posted...but would rather bash who posted it.I know darn well its the not so official off season thread. I posted an article that came out during the offseason that I found interesting (and prefaced it by saying I don't believe Thompson even was all the way truthful).What is pathetic is your continued attempts to bash me rather than actually see what had to be said in what was posted.I don't go to any lengths to diminish him...you simply have never been able to prove that lie.Any thoughts on the article? I doubt it. Just more of the usual.
 
Could it be possible to stop rehashing the Favre argument? No one is going to convince anyone else on how to feel as every one already has there mind made up. I miss seeing number 4 suit up for the Packers, but he doesn't do that anymore, so lets all move on to the current Packer era.
I agree yet sho had to post that article in a thread that is about the Packers off-season...what a surpirse. I think he did it because he was looking foolish just before that about TT and addressing Clifton.
The article came in the offseason. Where else should it be posted?
Probably in one of the Favre threads. :lmao: Don't act so damn innocent. You know darn well this thread has be devoted to what the Packers will do in the off-season to prepare for the 2009 season. You claim you go to no lengths to diminish Favre yet you post an article that doesn't make him look good in this thread. Pathetic.
Im not acting.I posted an article. I prefaced I knew how it would be perceived by a select few of you...and none of you disappointed (you, ookie, phase, and beaver). All predictably had little to nothing to say about what was posted...but would rather bash who posted it.I know darn well its the not so official off season thread. I posted an article that came out during the offseason that I found interesting (and prefaced it by saying I don't believe Thompson even was all the way truthful).What is pathetic is your continued attempts to bash me rather than actually see what had to be said in what was posted.I don't go to any lengths to diminish him...you simply have never been able to prove that lie.Any thoughts on the article? I doubt it. Just more of the usual.
:rolleyes:
 
This bickering over Favre and TT is ridiculous. No matter what you think about TT, he just signed a new 5 year deal last year after being named NFL Executive of the Year. He and McCarthy have rock solid job security, by NFL standards, for at least another few years.

This drivel is really taking away any of the positives of reading this thread. It seems to me there's plenty of other things to talk about with the combine, FA and the draft on the horizon.

 
Could it be possible to stop rehashing the Favre argument? No one is going to convince anyone else on how to feel as every one already has there mind made up. I miss seeing number 4 suit up for the Packers, but he doesn't do that anymore, so lets all move on to the current Packer era. I believe there are plenty of things to be critical of Thompson about, and this is a fine place to discuss that. But can we stop with all the Favre stuff? My biggest issue with Thompson is not the Favre disaster of last year, but all the holes that we currently have on the team. While we have some decent players, there are also a lot of spots that need improvement. We seriously need some tackles to come in this year. I don't believe Colledge is the answer there. Giacomini has been talked about, but he hasn't seen any action yet, so the jury is still out on him. I am hoping they could go after Barnes, and Carey in free agency for the oline, and Canty for the dline. None of those guys are superstars, but I believe they would all be upgrades to what we currently have. In the draft I am hoping we either grab Raji or Jenkins with the #9 pick, as I see those two having the potential to be game changers. If we don't grab one of them, I hope we trade down and get an extra 2nd or third round pick. Then with the rest of the picks in the second and third I would like to see offensive linemen, and linebacker positions addressed.
Carey has already signed with Miami. I love Canty in the 3-4 but word is he is asking for a ton of money. A 3-4 end is not worth huge $$$$ unless they are really elite. Canty is not. If we are going to spend big money it should be on a nose tackle. AS of right now, I would love it if BJ Raji made it to our our pick, but I have a feeling he will not be there. If he is not, one of the O Tackles would be the choice here. The 3-4 is going to be a work in progress this season. The bad part is that we really don't know how any of our linebackers are going to respond at their positions. The only player I see as a true 3-4 LB is Brady Poppinga on the outside. I have serious questions about AJ Hawk in the middle (or the outside for that matter). I can see us running 4-3 at times.
What about Popinga have you seen that makes you think he could play outside linebacker in the 3-4? He has shown no pass rushing ability at all. I actually think Hawk could be pretty good as an outside backer in a 3-4.
His versatility. He was an end at BYU. I am not saying he is going to be a superstar, but I think he should make a relative smooth transition to OLB in the 3-4.After last season, I am not to confident of Hawk as a starter on a playoff club. Hopefully it was just injuries.
 
Could it be possible to stop rehashing the Favre argument? No one is going to convince anyone else on how to feel as every one already has there mind made up. I miss seeing number 4 suit up for the Packers, but he doesn't do that anymore, so lets all move on to the current Packer era. I believe there are plenty of things to be critical of Thompson about, and this is a fine place to discuss that. But can we stop with all the Favre stuff? My biggest issue with Thompson is not the Favre disaster of last year, but all the holes that we currently have on the team. While we have some decent players, there are also a lot of spots that need improvement. We seriously need some tackles to come in this year. I don't believe Colledge is the answer there. Giacomini has been talked about, but he hasn't seen any action yet, so the jury is still out on him. I am hoping they could go after Barnes, and Carey in free agency for the oline, and Canty for the dline. None of those guys are superstars, but I believe they would all be upgrades to what we currently have. In the draft I am hoping we either grab Raji or Jenkins with the #9 pick, as I see those two having the potential to be game changers. If we don't grab one of them, I hope we trade down and get an extra 2nd or third round pick. Then with the rest of the picks in the second and third I would like to see offensive linemen, and linebacker positions addressed.
Carey has already signed with Miami. I love Canty in the 3-4 but word is he is asking for a ton of money. A 3-4 end is not worth huge $$$$ unless they are really elite. Canty is not. If we are going to spend big money it should be on a nose tackle. AS of right now, I would love it if BJ Raji made it to our our pick, but I have a feeling he will not be there. If he is not, one of the O Tackles would be the choice here. The 3-4 is going to be a work in progress this season. The bad part is that we really don't know how any of our linebackers are going to respond at their positions. The only player I see as a true 3-4 LB is Brady Poppinga on the outside. I have serious questions about AJ Hawk in the middle (or the outside for that matter). I can see us running 4-3 at times.
What about Popinga have you seen that makes you think he could play outside linebacker in the 3-4? He has shown no pass rushing ability at all. I actually think Hawk could be pretty good as an outside backer in a 3-4.
His versatility. He was an end at BYU. I am not saying he is going to be a superstar, but I think he should make a relative smooth transition to OLB in the 3-4.After last season, I am not to confident of Hawk as a starter on a playoff club. Hopefully it was just injuries.
I think Popps is a decent stop gap type..thats about it. He could surprise me.Hawk I think is more the injuries. If you look back to year 1 and year 2...he was doing well and improving even. Even to start last season he was doing well.10 tackles game one2 sacks in game two9 tackles in game three.Then his numbers started dwindling.
 
This bickering over Favre and TT is ridiculous. No matter what you think about TT, he just signed a new 5 year deal last year after being named NFL Executive of the Year. He and McCarthy have rock solid job security, by NFL standards, for at least another few years. This drivel is really taking away any of the positives of reading this thread. It seems to me there's plenty of other things to talk about with the combine, FA and the draft on the horizon.
Exactly....that is why sho should have posted the article in a Favre thread. His act of trying to act innocent is a joke....unless he really is that clueless. This is a great thread about what the Packers will be doing this offseason and there are plenty of Favre threads for him to post in during the offseason. Not in this thread.
 
This bickering over Favre and TT is ridiculous. No matter what you think about TT, he just signed a new 5 year deal last year after being named NFL Executive of the Year. He and McCarthy have rock solid job security, by NFL standards, for at least another few years. This drivel is really taking away any of the positives of reading this thread. It seems to me there's plenty of other things to talk about with the combine, FA and the draft on the horizon.
Exactly....that is why sho should have posted the article in a Favre thread. His act of trying to act innocent is a joke....unless he really is that clueless. This is a great thread about what the Packers will be doing this offseason and there are plenty of Favre threads for him to post in during the offseason. Not in this thread.
Yawn...again, you add nothing but more bashing. Such a shock.How many posts over the last 2 days have you had? How many have had nothing to do with the topic and have only been about me?
 
Some of this is smoke screen and just being thorough...but so far, apparently, the Packers have spoken with Johnson (DE Georgia Tech), Jenkins (CB, OSU), and Brown (DE, FSU).

 
Some of this is smoke screen and just being thorough...but so far, apparently, the Packers have spoken with Johnson (DE Georgia Tech), Jenkins (CB, OSU), and Brown (DE, FSU).
I would not be upset with Jenkins. Guy is a top ten pick and I think he is underrated.
 
Some of this is smoke screen and just being thorough...but so far, apparently, the Packers have spoken with Johnson (DE Georgia Tech), Jenkins (CB, OSU), and Brown (DE, FSU).
I would not be upset with Jenkins. Guy is a top ten pick and I think he is underrated.
I agree...some of the DE guys just scare me (I think its Jamal Reynolds still in the back of my mind).Jenkins is a heck of an athlete. I think Id be happiest with him, Raji, or one of the top OTs.DE...while we need it...Im happier with the projections of the 2nd round DE guys (not the OLB/DE but just pure DE in the 3-4).I won't go as far as saying they are just bad picks yet (have not looked at them enough yet)...but they are more of a question mark to me (and I saw someone say Maybin that early...that one I would disagree with big time.
 
sho nuff said:
Balco said:
sho nuff said:
Some of this is smoke screen and just being thorough...but so far, apparently, the Packers have spoken with Johnson (DE Georgia Tech), Jenkins (CB, OSU), and Brown (DE, FSU).
I would not be upset with Jenkins. Guy is a top ten pick and I think he is underrated.
I agree...some of the DE guys just scare me (I think its Jamal Reynolds still in the back of my mind).Jenkins is a heck of an athlete. I think Id be happiest with him, Raji, or one of the top OTs.DE...while we need it...Im happier with the projections of the 2nd round DE guys (not the OLB/DE but just pure DE in the 3-4).I won't go as far as saying they are just bad picks yet (have not looked at them enough yet)...but they are more of a question mark to me (and I saw someone say Maybin that early...that one I would disagree with big time.
I always want the team to draft talent over need. What good does it do when you reach for a pick because you need a particular position, if that player is not particularly good (see Michels, Jon)?When you have a pick as high as we do, you best not reach for need, you need to get the best talent. Jenkins would be fine, as would Raji, or one of the O Tackles (I still really like Andre Smith, but I understand he might be passed because he has character concerns).You can get solid 3-4 linebackers/ends in the middle rounds. And I think there will be some solid players.
 
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BeaverCleaver said:
This bickering over Favre and TT is ridiculous. No matter what you think about TT, he just signed a new 5 year deal last year after being named NFL Executive of the Year. He and McCarthy have rock solid job security, by NFL standards, for at least another few years. This drivel is really taking away any of the positives of reading this thread. It seems to me there's plenty of other things to talk about with the combine, FA and the draft on the horizon.
Exactly....that is why sho should have posted the article in a Favre thread. His act of trying to act innocent is a joke....unless he really is that clueless. This is a great thread about what the Packers will be doing this offseason and there are plenty of Favre threads for him to post in during the offseason. Not in this thread.
Yawn...again, you add nothing but more bashing. Such a shock.How many posts over the last 2 days have you had? How many have had nothing to do with the topic and have only been about me?
If you would post things about Favre/TT in the correct threads you wouldn't get bashed. There was no need for that in this one and please don't use the "it's the offseason" excuse. It makes you look bad once again. Keep your comments in this thread about the the Packers moving ahead for the upcoming season and it is all good. TIA and I look foward to your reply so you can have the last word. :lmao:
 
sho nuff said:
Balco said:
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Some of this is smoke screen and just being thorough...but so far, apparently, the Packers have spoken with Johnson (DE Georgia Tech), Jenkins (CB, OSU), and Brown (DE, FSU).
I would not be upset with Jenkins. Guy is a top ten pick and I think he is underrated.
I agree...some of the DE guys just scare me (I think its Jamal Reynolds still in the back of my mind).Jenkins is a heck of an athlete. I think Id be happiest with him, Raji, or one of the top OTs.DE...while we need it...Im happier with the projections of the 2nd round DE guys (not the OLB/DE but just pure DE in the 3-4).I won't go as far as saying they are just bad picks yet (have not looked at them enough yet)...but they are more of a question mark to me (and I saw someone say Maybin that early...that one I would disagree with big time.
or one of the O Tackles (I still really like Andre Smith, but I understand he might be passed because he has character concerns).
From Packer Insider (Bob McGinn) today they mentioned possible 1st round picks. He expects Smith to be gone by #9.Andre Smith*, T, Alabama: 6-4, 332. Showed up out of shape, didn't work out and hurt himself. Often compared to Philadelphia G Shawn Andrews. "He doesn't look like a left tackle," one scout said. "He's almost stocky. But he's got really good feet. Strong all over. He's a little lazy and loses focus." Suspended for the Sugar Bowl for dealing with an agent. "We think the weight is an issue," another scout said. "He has the potential to be the best, but there's so much we don't know about him."
 
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More from McGinn and the article based on info from league insiders... these are some of the players from the article.

Malcolm Jenkins, CB-S, Ohio State: 6-0, 195. Started for 3½ seasons at cornerback but might eventually land at safety. "He doesn't have that top-level quickness, speed and change of direction to be a front-line corner," one scout said. "For a Cover 2 team, maybe. Really good feel. Ball skills are good. Just kind of a tweener." An emotional player with leadership ability. Loves to talk trash. "He's a little tight but a good player," another scout said. "But how fast is he? He is physical."

Everette Brown*, DE-OLB, Florida State: 6-3, 255. Declared a year early after posting 13½ sacks in 2008. "He's a better athlete than Woodley but Woodley was just a tough kind of guy," one scout said. "This kid doesn't play the run at all. Just weak and non-competitive. He scares you because there's been so many Florida State guys like him that haven't done anything, as (the Packers) know." That was in reference to former Seminoles DE Jamal Reynolds, Green Bay's top pick in 2001. Played with his hand down but might project to LB. "I don't see that," another scout said. "He looks a little slow-footed. He's not a smooth guy at all. He does play hard."

B.J. Raji, NT, Boston College: 6-1½, 337. "Really a wide body," one scout said. "Good stoutness. Quick. You just wonder if the big guys here will be able to get over the top of him because he's so short. He's not like (Vince) Wilfork." Started in 2005-'06, then declared academically ineligible in '07 before returning in '08. "Wilfork is taller," another scout said. "But all of them, including (Casey) Hampton, possess natural strength and quickness, which is what made them good."

Jason Smith, T, Baylor: 6-5, 309. Starting TE in 2005, RT in '06 and LT the last two years. "He's probably the safest pick of the top tackles," one scout said. "More physical than Monroe." Tremendous practice player. "Jason's the most athletically gifted of all the tackles but he's not very strong," another scout said. "He will need a lot of technique work. But, athletically, he's the best. His length won't be a problem. It's the thickness and body mass."

Michael Oher, T, Mississippi: 6-4½, 309. His troubled life story was chronicled in Michael Lewis' book, "The Blind Side, Evolution of a Game." "Athletically, he's as talented as there is," one scout said. "He's also spoiled. I don't know if he understands what it takes to be a professional." Played RG in 2005 and once weighed as much as 350. "He was a little bit more physical this year but I'm still scared to death of him," another scout said. "I wouldn't want him in the first (round)."

Brian Orakpo, DE-OLB, Texas: 6-3, 263. Two-year starter at DE. "He puts his hand down and rushes," one scout said. "Excellent motor." Knows how to play the run. Has had injury problems. "I think he's just a straight-line, one-trick pony," another scout said. "Just run straight off the ball. He doesn't have a natural feel for it. Small. Not a really good space athlete. I don't think it will go well for him (at LB)."

Rey Maualuga, ILB, Southern California: 6-1, 249. Three-year starter. "I might take him over Curry," one scout said. "To me, he's the real deal. I don't see him out of position. Very tough. He wouldn't be effective outside." Extremely physical but will over-pursue and miss some tackles. "Doesn't seem like he's disciplined and reading things," another scout said. "He's fast and powerful and explosive. If you can just rein him in a little bit he's got Pro Bowl ability."

Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech: 6-7, 259. Immensely talented. Tall, runs extremely well and can jump out of the gym. "He's boom or bust," one scout said. "He didn't play real well this year. He looks the part. Long arms. Somebody will take him high but not me. I will fight against that. He never started until this year."

 
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sho nuff said:
Balco said:
sho nuff said:
Some of this is smoke screen and just being thorough...but so far, apparently, the Packers have spoken with Johnson (DE Georgia Tech), Jenkins (CB, OSU), and Brown (DE, FSU).
I would not be upset with Jenkins. Guy is a top ten pick and I think he is underrated.
I agree...some of the DE guys just scare me (I think its Jamal Reynolds still in the back of my mind).Jenkins is a heck of an athlete. I think Id be happiest with him, Raji, or one of the top OTs.DE...while we need it...Im happier with the projections of the 2nd round DE guys (not the OLB/DE but just pure DE in the 3-4).I won't go as far as saying they are just bad picks yet (have not looked at them enough yet)...but they are more of a question mark to me (and I saw someone say Maybin that early...that one I would disagree with big time.
or one of the O Tackles (I still really like Andre Smith, but I understand he might be passed because he has character concerns).
From Packer Insider (Bob McGinn) today they mentioned possible 1st round picks. He expects Smith to be gone by #9.Andre Smith*, T, Alabama: 6-4, 332. Showed up out of shape, didn't work out and hurt himself. Often compared to Philadelphia G Shawn Andrews. "He doesn't look like a left tackle," one scout said. "He's almost stocky. But he's got really good feet. Strong all over. He's a little lazy and loses focus." Suspended for the Sugar Bowl for dealing with an agent. "We think the weight is an issue," another scout said. "He has the potential to be the best, but there's so much we don't know about him."
With Smith, Monroe, and Oher, I think teams will pass on Smith for more "sure things". And this is based totally on character/makeup questions. Smith is a beast, he is going to be a tremendous pro.
 
sho nuff said:
Balco said:
sho nuff said:
Some of this is smoke screen and just being thorough...but so far, apparently, the Packers have spoken with Johnson (DE Georgia Tech), Jenkins (CB, OSU), and Brown (DE, FSU).
I would not be upset with Jenkins. Guy is a top ten pick and I think he is underrated.
I agree...some of the DE guys just scare me (I think its Jamal Reynolds still in the back of my mind).Jenkins is a heck of an athlete. I think Id be happiest with him, Raji, or one of the top OTs.DE...while we need it...Im happier with the projections of the 2nd round DE guys (not the OLB/DE but just pure DE in the 3-4).I won't go as far as saying they are just bad picks yet (have not looked at them enough yet)...but they are more of a question mark to me (and I saw someone say Maybin that early...that one I would disagree with big time.
or one of the O Tackles (I still really like Andre Smith, but I understand he might be passed because he has character concerns).
From Packer Insider (Bob McGinn) today they mentioned possible 1st round picks. He expects Smith to be gone by #9.Andre Smith*, T, Alabama: 6-4, 332. Showed up out of shape, didn't work out and hurt himself. Often compared to Philadelphia G Shawn Andrews. "He doesn't look like a left tackle," one scout said. "He's almost stocky. But he's got really good feet. Strong all over. He's a little lazy and loses focus." Suspended for the Sugar Bowl for dealing with an agent. "We think the weight is an issue," another scout said. "He has the potential to be the best, but there's so much we don't know about him."
With Smith, Monroe, and Oher, I think teams will pass on Smith for more "sure things". And this is based totally on character/makeup questions. Smith is a beast, he is going to be a tremendous pro.
Oher is far from a sure thing. He has issues too. I agree about Jason Smith.
 
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sho nuff said:
Balco said:
sho nuff said:
Some of this is smoke screen and just being thorough...but so far, apparently, the Packers have spoken with Johnson (DE Georgia Tech), Jenkins (CB, OSU), and Brown (DE, FSU).
I would not be upset with Jenkins. Guy is a top ten pick and I think he is underrated.
I agree...some of the DE guys just scare me (I think its Jamal Reynolds still in the back of my mind).Jenkins is a heck of an athlete. I think Id be happiest with him, Raji, or one of the top OTs.DE...while we need it...Im happier with the projections of the 2nd round DE guys (not the OLB/DE but just pure DE in the 3-4).I won't go as far as saying they are just bad picks yet (have not looked at them enough yet)...but they are more of a question mark to me (and I saw someone say Maybin that early...that one I would disagree with big time.
I agree on this. I really hope we don't go with Johnson. He has a lot of talent, but it doesn't translate to the football field. Raji and Jenkins could be game changers, while OT is generally a safer pick than other positions in the first round. I really don't want Johnson or Brown, I don't think either of them are big enough to fill in at de in a3-4.
 
sho nuff said:
Balco said:
sho nuff said:
Some of this is smoke screen and just being thorough...but so far, apparently, the Packers have spoken with Johnson (DE Georgia Tech), Jenkins (CB, OSU), and Brown (DE, FSU).
I would not be upset with Jenkins. Guy is a top ten pick and I think he is underrated.
I agree...some of the DE guys just scare me (I think its Jamal Reynolds still in the back of my mind).Jenkins is a heck of an athlete. I think Id be happiest with him, Raji, or one of the top OTs.DE...while we need it...Im happier with the projections of the 2nd round DE guys (not the OLB/DE but just pure DE in the 3-4).I won't go as far as saying they are just bad picks yet (have not looked at them enough yet)...but they are more of a question mark to me (and I saw someone say Maybin that early...that one I would disagree with big time.
I agree on this. I really hope we don't go with Johnson. He has a lot of talent, but it doesn't translate to the football field. Raji and Jenkins could be game changers, while OT is generally a safer pick than other positions in the first round. I really don't want Johnson or Brown, I don't think either of them are big enough to fill in at de in a3-4.
Agree on DE...I prefer the Gilbert kid or Tyson Jackson in the 2nd. Of course, with trades everywhere and other moves, that pick is so far off anyway.
 
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/40054232.html

Looks like no real interest in Canty...and Olshasnky's has a reputation of laziness and not seen as "Packer people".

Something about the Packers being the ones who leaked Carey resigning with the Dolphins. Wondering if they actually were going to go after him, otherwise why was that mentioned. My guess was to play LG while Colledge moved to RT with Sitton at the RG spot.

 
sho nuff said:
Balco said:
sho nuff said:
Some of this is smoke screen and just being thorough...but so far, apparently, the Packers have spoken with Johnson (DE Georgia Tech), Jenkins (CB, OSU), and Brown (DE, FSU).
I would not be upset with Jenkins. Guy is a top ten pick and I think he is underrated.
I agree...some of the DE guys just scare me (I think its Jamal Reynolds still in the back of my mind).Jenkins is a heck of an athlete. I think Id be happiest with him, Raji, or one of the top OTs.DE...while we need it...Im happier with the projections of the 2nd round DE guys (not the OLB/DE but just pure DE in the 3-4).I won't go as far as saying they are just bad picks yet (have not looked at them enough yet)...but they are more of a question mark to me (and I saw someone say Maybin that early...that one I would disagree with big time.
or one of the O Tackles (I still really like Andre Smith, but I understand he might be passed because he has character concerns).
From Packer Insider (Bob McGinn) today they mentioned possible 1st round picks. He expects Smith to be gone by #9.Andre Smith*, T, Alabama: 6-4, 332. Showed up out of shape, didn't work out and hurt himself. Often compared to Philadelphia G Shawn Andrews. "He doesn't look like a left tackle," one scout said. "He's almost stocky. But he's got really good feet. Strong all over. He's a little lazy and loses focus." Suspended for the Sugar Bowl for dealing with an agent. "We think the weight is an issue," another scout said. "He has the potential to be the best, but there's so much we don't know about him."
With Smith, Monroe, and Oher, I think teams will pass on Smith for more "sure things". And this is based totally on character/makeup questions. Smith is a beast, he is going to be a tremendous pro.
Oher is far from a sure thing. He has issues too. I agree about Smith.
I've read that Andre Smith left the Combine admitting he's out of shape and his weight is out of control. Anyone else see this? I don't like the guy. I'd rather have Oher than Andre.
Tackle prospect Andre Smith bails on NFL Combine E-MAIL PRINT COMMENTS 16 WATCH THIS TOPIC Posted: February 21, 2009 Sporting News staff reportsAndre Smith, one of the three top offensive tackles available in April's NFL draft, left the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis on Saturday without informing officials of his plans. Smith left Saturday morning and later apologized for his departure, ProFootballTalk.com reported. The NFL had sent out what amounted to a search party to look for Smith, who was to begin his push to be a high first-round pick with testing at Indianapolis. Smith decided to skip his Combine workout and returned to Alabama. He and his agent neglected to inform the NFL of the decision. It's a questionable move for Smith, who had several questions to answer at the Combine. Many of them involve why Alabama coaches suspended him for the Tide's appearance in the Sugar Bowl. Smith admitted he wasn't in shape for the workouts, hadn't been preparing for them and had recently changed agents, which contributed to the confusion. Smith was believed to be a top-10 pick entering the Combine and was expected to compete with Eugene Monroe of Virginia and Baylor's Jason Smith to be the first tackle taken. SN's War Room scouts project the St. Louis Rams taking a tackle with the second overall pick. The Rams appear focused on Monroe. According to an announcement inside Lucas Oil Stadium for the benefit of scouts in attendance, Smith's whereabouts were unknown for a time Saturday morning. About 30 minutes before he was scheduled to work out, he was located. Repercussions were immediate. "I'm dropping him down on my list," NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock told ProFootballTalk.com. "You don't show up in shape for the biggest job interview of your life. You don't lift. You don't run. You don't show up. It's the worst thing you can do. How can you not show up in shape for this?" Former NFL GM Charley Casserly also was critical of Smith. "He's not the first player who has left the Combine early; that's fairly common if they're not going to work out," Casserly told ProFootballTalk.com. "A lack of communication, that's not good. To fly back to work out, I'm not buying it. He could be here and be around. This is not good. "A team told me this morning that this guy has not been the best worker. The thing that bothers me is I've seen how (Alabama coach) Nick Saban runs his programs and how hard he works those guys and challenges those guys. How far (Smith will) drop in the draft, you don't want to throw him out because the guy has a lot of ability." Mayock is skeptical about Smith's desire and maturity. "The minute he got away from the Saban umbrella, look what happened," Mayock said. Smith had been booked on a 4 p.m. ET flight but moved it up himself to 6 a.m. so he could get back to work out with his trainer and continue preparations for his March 11 Pro Day at Alabama, the NFL Network's Adam Schefter reported. There's no question there will be added pressure on Smith to excel at that gathering. Meanwhile, Smith and his handlers shifted into damage control mode. His agent, Alvin Kells, took the blame for failure to inform NFL officials. And Smith eventually held himself accountable. "If I had the chance to do it all over, I wouldn't have handled it the way I did," Smith told Schefter later Saturday. "I should have told my group leader that I was leaving, and I didn't. I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers or step on any toes. I didn't mean to grandstand anyone at the combine. That was not my intention at all, and I apologize for my mistake." Smith sat out the Sugar Bowl for a violation of team rules. Reports say he was suspended because he had dealings with an agent other than Kells, whom he hired recently. Smith left Alabama a year early to enter the draft.
 
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Along with Crabtree, Andre Smith was the talk of the combine coverage on NFLN all weekend.

Jason Smith is my clear #1 OT right now, but I really don't see him lasting to #9.

 
Saw that about Smith...and Bedard just had the words of hoping the Pack did not take him.

I saw where Raji came on the NFL network yesterday during the RB drills. I like him more after hearing him talk. Seems to be ready to play and pretty well adjusted to it all. Sure he had some issues in his past. Hard to overlook those completely...but he may actually be one who has learned from it. (but man I wish McCoy would have come out this year...or Cody from Alabama...).

 
Raji is another guy I like a lot but don't think will last to #9. DTs are working out today, and I'm sure any team sitting in the top 10 will have their eyes glued to Raji.

I'm still not sold on Orakpo, Brown and Maybin so I'll be interested to see how they perform and hear the chatter from scouts/draftniks afterwards. Same with some of the traditional LBs who are also performing today.

Hopefully TT and the entire Packer crew there got some good sleep last night.

 
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I know most fans don't care much for how Thompson deals with the press - he's certainly no Ron Wolf. But I think it is worthwhile to listen to him carefully because what he does say can be taken to heart. He made clear in his press conference last week that he really doesn't care if a draft pick can't contribute right away. I think fans should really put aside the idea that he needs or wants someone who will make an impact this season (not that that isn't possible, just that he is not focused on that). That's not to say he's going to take a QB or WR in the first round, but I think we have to be prepared for him to go anywhere his draft board takes him, and his draft board probably doesn't look much like anything you will find in the sports media.Here's one quote from Friday:

"In a perfect world you'd be able to address a particular need with a really good player," Thompson said. "But if it turns out this guy comes and sits behind somebody for a couple years, that's fine, too, as long as he's that quality of player."
I think if fans read that quote and accept it for what it is at face value, there will be much less surprise and angst on draft day when the Packers draft someone that isn't in the top 25 according to Kiper or Maycock.
 

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