So if all the people here agreeing with you that this is the case and this is the fear, WTF would you care if your kid is exposed to this? If all it takes is these awesome manly men as role models to combat this why the concern for your kids?
Why the F wouldn't I care?? It scares me that so many people find the whole mixing of genders so dismissive.
Karma, I respect you and we have had some good conversations, but the way you frame "these awesome manly men" seems like a big FU to those who have gone to war defending this country and those who built these cities we have in the pervious generations. I'm not trying to sound overly patriotic or whatever, but we just celebrated the anniversary of D-day and IDK But I'd be willing to bet that France would be speaking German
if our landing craft were loaded with them.
You dismissing the importance male role models play in a boys development is the exact level of male emasculation I'm talking about. But yet, I bet you wouldn't say to a young girl "Pfft, take those strong independent mothers back to the kitchen with you"
The attack on masculinity does exist and it is very real. Boys today are disciplined in school differently for having slightly more hyperactivity or a bit of roughness that goes with just having different biology. And I would argue that introducing "Drag" topics like this are just as much (as they claim) about letting those who may already be gender fluid feel "inclusive" as well as "taming" and "retheming" what is acceptable vs the traditional male.
(editing) There is a post about replacing Drag shows with AR-15 seminars in school. Guess what, it use to be OK for young boys to go out and hunt and such. So taking the modern day sensationalism out of it...thats what boys use to do, along with ride bikes in the woods and find dead things to poke with sticks and get bruised up and maybe need some stitches.
So why should I care? Its about keeping the human race alive. Until there is a day when babies are harvested in labs (god help us all), you need a male to impregnate a woman, exchange DNA and produce healthy offspring. Lets follow the science and show that many
youth males are experiencing lower testosterone levels. Maybe not from watching drag queens, but def from having the "boy" taken out of them and keeping them sedentary and not allowing them to engage in classic boyish behavior.
(I'm going to end that rant here b/c I see that Karma also mentions me in another reply, I cant keep up lol).
It's interesting to me because I think I am damn good father, but I would also guess that I would be labeled as one of the emasculated men that is the growing problem in the country. I think it would be an interesting discussion to see what specific traits and skills people are looking for that is missing.
My wife and I take the approach that as a parenting team we are responsible for providing unconditional love, a stable environment, food/shelter, attention, etc.. It mattered not who provided those things and the way it worked out for us, I play more of the traditional mother role.
I would guess a lot of it depends on the male role models that we had growing up and how fondly we look on them. Mostly I saw a bunch of men working a ton and not overly engaged with their kids. I saw a lot of ##### dads that caused more harm than good as well. I see some of this emasculation as a natural outcome of having women mostly raising the children and being the majority influence in their lives.
for starters, I didn't mean to infer that You were an emasculating father. I don't mean that specifically for anyone directly. And yes, as you put it vs our fathers and grandfathers, I'm much more of an emasculated, involved father with my own kids.
There is sharing the duties in the house and parenting with unconditional love, and then there is the very sharp rise in the female led relationship whereas she is the main breadwinner and/or makes the household decisions. I know guys that have no say in the major decisions in their families, down to what their kids can and cannot wear.
But even at this extreme, we have built a society stacked against the dad. Fathers have very little rights to kids in divorce. As I said earlier, young guys are simply not getting into relationships b/c they are realizing that there is "very little positive outcome " for them. Even in the RvWade discussions, everything is framed for the Woman's decisions and to hell with the guy who also participated in it. All of this is contributing to the demise of the traditional male role in society.
But again, looking back, were you may have seen men working a ton and not involved with their kids (at the level we may be), science may be saying
that may not have been such a bad thing.
The role of fathers in Bondongo communities differs from BaYaka fathers in that the former are most valued for being providers of resources for their households. Bondongo men often undertake significant risk to hunt, fish and clear plots for farming. Although they are generally committed fathers, Bondongo fathers often do not engage in much nurturing care of their children, which is primarily a women’s role in their society. In contrast to the BaYaka results, Bondongo fathers who were rated as better providers had higher testosterone levels.
Yes, i'm citing very small samples here, but wether you are a religious person or not, this world has been supported for centuries by some form of logical division between male and female genders. As with most species. `It is only in the last few years that we have gone in and started blurring those lines and what we are seeing is massive confusion and IMO a completely unsustainable future
