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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (7 Viewers)

Even if it's not a year this time, what are the chances that he stays clean in the face of stage 3 testing moving forward? Slim to none IMO given the fact that he's failed 5(!) tests minimum since fall 2010. He's toast, literally and figuratively.

 
Even if it's not a year this time, what are the chances that he stays clean in the face of stage 3 testing moving forward? Slim to none IMO given the fact that he's failed 5(!) tests minimum since fall 2010. He's toast, literally and figuratively.
I'm usually pretty open to risk but the stuff I saw posted (I think by you?) about the sheer volume of tests had me sending out offers. Even if he never misses another game I'll be glad I made the deal, it's the sound move at this point

 
Even if it's not a year this time, what are the chances that he stays clean in the face of stage 3 testing moving forward? Slim to none IMO given the fact that he's failed 5(!) tests minimum since fall 2010. He's toast, literally and figuratively.
This may no longer be the case, under a new policy though. I'm not sure, but while it may be "too late" for him to avoid the year, once he's reinstated maybe he only faces 1-2 game suspencions for weed relapses based on the new policy.

 
Even if it's not a year this time, what are the chances that he stays clean in the face of stage 3 testing moving forward? Slim to none IMO given the fact that he's failed 5(!) tests minimum since fall 2010. He's toast, literally and figuratively.
This may no longer be the case, under a new policy though. I'm not sure, but while it may be "too late" for him to avoid the year, once he's reinstated maybe he only faces 1-2 game suspencions for weed relapses based on the new policy.
Maybe, and a wholesale policy change would absolutely change my valuation of Gordon. But I doubt it will happen soon enough to matter, personally. I've read that they're looking at lessening penalties for first time offenders -- and seen nothing about sweeping changes overall. NFL owners aren't exactly your typical socially liberal types, and the current CBA runs through 2020 I believe. I think the policy is stupid; it takes talent off of the field for something that most of us realize is no big deal. But IMO it'll be hard to change the minds of a majority of rich successful old white guys that weed is no biggie. We'll see, but I wouldn't be banking on a massive overnight 360 at this point.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Team A gave up Boyce, Josh NEP WR;Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR;Wright, Tim TBB TE; Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick

Team B gave up Richardson, Trent IND RB;Stills, Kenny NOS WR;Rudolph, Kyle MIN TE; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.09; Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick
Jeffery. Not close.
Stills >> BoyceRudolph >> Wright

Richardson + two firsts >> Jeffrey

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Team A gave up Boyce, Josh NEP WR;Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR;Wright, Tim TBB TE; Year 2015 Round 2 Draft PickTeam B gave up Richardson, Trent IND RB;Stills, Kenny NOS WR;Rudolph, Kyle MIN TE; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.09; Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick
Jeffery. Not close.
Stills >> BoyceRudolph >> Wright

Richardson + two firsts >> Jeffrey
1. Irrelevant in a deal involving a stud.

2. Irrelevant in a deal involving a stud.

3. No.

 
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ConnSKINS26 said:
Team A gave up Boyce, Josh NEP WR;Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR;Wright, Tim TBB TE; Year 2015 Round 2 Draft PickTeam B gave up Richardson, Trent IND RB;Stills, Kenny NOS WR;Rudolph, Kyle MIN TE; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.09; Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick
Jeffery. Not close.
Stills >> BoyceRudolph >> Wright

Richardson + two firsts >> Jeffrey
1. Irrelevant in a deal involving a stud.

2. Irrelevant in a deal involving a stud.

3. No.
Agreed.

A bunch of bench players aside from Rudolph for a young stud...sorry I will let others fill their rosters with middling talent.

2 late 1sts and TRich for Jeffery? I am pretty sure Jeffery owners laugh and walk away. Only guys who bought TRich at round 1 startup prices would think this way today

 
A few completed trades in the last week. 12 team ppr qrrwwwt. I'm team A taking over an orphan team that is short on picks this year and next.

Team A gives Chris Johnson

Team B gives 2.05

Team A gives Russell Wilson, Marlon Brown, 2.10, 3.07

Team C gives Michael Crabtree, Carson Palmer, 2.08, 4.08

Team D gives Denard Robinson

Team E gives 2.12

Team A gives Michael Crabtree

Team D gives 2.02, 2.04, 2.12, Travis Kelce

 
A few completed trades in the last week. 12 team ppr qrrwwwt. I'm team A taking over an orphan team that is short on picks this year and next.

Team A gives Chris Johnson

Team B gives 2.05

Team A gives Russell Wilson, Marlon Brown, 2.10, 3.07

Team C gives Michael Crabtree, Carson Palmer, 2.08, 4.08

Team D gives Denard Robinson

Team E gives 2.12

Team A gives Michael Crabtree

Team D gives 2.02, 2.04, 2.12, Travis Kelce
Assume you're in total rebuild? I'd want more for CJ but he likely won't get it right now and if you wait until after the draft, you'd probably need to get 2015 picks. Your deal getting Crabtree was good, getting three 2nds isn't bad, seems fair.

I just dealt the 76th pick (IDP) for Denard and the 109th pick. The 109th pick likely holds very little value, but the 2.12 is too much to give for Denard IMO.

 
A few completed trades in the last week. 12 team ppr qrrwwwt. I'm team A taking over an orphan team that is short on picks this year and next.

Team A gives Chris Johnson

Team B gives 2.05

Team A gives Russell Wilson, Marlon Brown, 2.10, 3.07

Team C gives Michael Crabtree, Carson Palmer, 2.08, 4.08

Team D gives Denard Robinson

Team E gives 2.12

Team A gives Michael Crabtree

Team D gives 2.02, 2.04, 2.12, Travis Kelce
Assume you're in total rebuild? I'd want more for CJ but he likely won't get it right now and if you wait until after the draft, you'd probably need to get 2015 picks. Your deal getting Crabtree was good, getting three 2nds isn't bad, seems fair.

I just dealt the 76th pick (IDP) for Denard and the 109th pick. The 109th pick likely holds very little value, but the 2.12 is too much to give for Denard IMO.
Yeah total rebuild. I have 8 open roster spots, and free agents are locked until Draft, so I was looking to add quality depth. It gives me 6 picks from 14 to 25, so that should help in this Draft.

I thought I could probably get more for CJ in season, but getting the player now also adds value for for me.

 
For your amusement, I just pulled this off:

I gave:

Justin Blackmon

I get:

Brandon Carr and Dashon Goldson

Then I traded Brandon Carr for the 6.03 rookie pick.

So I got Dashon Goldson and the 6.03 rookie pick for Blackmon. LOL! People were wanting multiple 1st rounders for Blackmon not too long ago.

 
12 team, 1/2 PPR

Gave: Keenan Allen

Got: Brandon Marshall

I've been fortunate enough to win this league the past two years, but I have an aging squad with Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, and Andre Johnson. I think Marshall and the pass happy Bears has a better 2014 than Allen & the run happy Chargers, and hopefully I can make a championship push 1 or 2 more years before my team signs up for Medicare.

My trading partner had an aging WR corps (Marshall, Fitz, Steve Smith) and apparently was looking to get younger.

 
10 team, 1 QB, 1 rb, 2 wr, 1 te, 2 flex, idp (2 dl, 2 lbs, 2 dbs)

team A gave Harvin

team B gave Brady, Reggie Bush, J Bell, Calias Campbell

 
12 team, 1/2 PPR

Gave: Keenan Allen

Got: Brandon Marshall

I've been fortunate enough to win this league the past two years, but I have an aging squad with Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, and Andre Johnson. I think Marshall and the pass happy Bears has a better 2014 than Allen & the run happy Chargers, and hopefully I can make a championship push 1 or 2 more years before my team signs up for Medicare.

My trading partner had an aging WR corps (Marshall, Fitz, Steve Smith) and apparently was looking to get younger.
Perfectly logical to value Marshall over Allen. That said, in your shoes, I'd be trying to extend my window, rather than push more of my assets into a closing one.

 
For your amusement, I just pulled this off:

I gave:

Justin Blackmon

I get:

Brandon Carr and Dashon Goldson

Then I traded Brandon Carr for the 6.03 rookie pick.

So I got Dashon Goldson and the 6.03 rookie pick for Blackmon. LOL! People were wanting multiple 1st rounders for Blackmon not too long ago.
I'd rather keep him at that price.

 
12 team, 1/2 PPR

Gave: Keenan Allen

Got: Brandon Marshall

I've been fortunate enough to win this league the past two years, but I have an aging squad with Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, and Andre Johnson. I think Marshall and the pass happy Bears has a better 2014 than Allen & the run happy Chargers, and hopefully I can make a championship push 1 or 2 more years before my team signs up for Medicare.

My trading partner had an aging WR corps (Marshall, Fitz, Steve Smith) and apparently was looking to get younger.
Perfectly logical to value Marshall over Allen. That said, in your shoes, I'd be trying to extend my window, rather than push more of my assets into a closing one.
I go the other way on this one. You can't get full value out of your old guys, so put yourself in the best position to win while they're producing.
 
For your amusement, I just pulled this off:

I gave:

Justin Blackmon

I get:

Brandon Carr and Dashon Goldson

Then I traded Brandon Carr for the 6.03 rookie pick.

So I got Dashon Goldson and the 6.03 rookie pick for Blackmon. LOL! People were wanting multiple 1st rounders for Blackmon not too long ago.
I'd rather keep him at that price.
Salary cap league. By ditching him now it saved me some money to use elsewhere in FA. I was gonna cut him. I was happy to get anything for him. So I got a S that I needed, a draft pick I can do something with, and some precious cap relief. In a non-cap league I would agree with you.

 
12 team, 1/2 PPR

Gave: Keenan Allen

Got: Brandon Marshall

I've been fortunate enough to win this league the past two years, but I have an aging squad with Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, and Andre Johnson. I think Marshall and the pass happy Bears has a better 2014 than Allen & the run happy Chargers, and hopefully I can make a championship push 1 or 2 more years before my team signs up for Medicare.

My trading partner had an aging WR corps (Marshall, Fitz, Steve Smith) and apparently was looking to get younger.
Perfectly logical to value Marshall over Allen. That said, in your shoes, I'd be trying to extend my window, rather than push more of my assets into a closing one.
I go the other way on this one. You can't get full value out of your old guys, so put yourself in the best position to win while they're producing.
100% agree. Give me a shorter window of "heavy favorite" over a longer window of "good" every single time. Although that definitely requires a realistic assessment of when the "heavy favorite" dries up -- because merely "good" paired with "old" just sucks. There's a HUGE difference between the true upper echelon and the 2nd tier most of the time.

 
100% agree. Give me a shorter window of "heavy favorite" over a longer window of "good" every single time.
I agree as well. I just don't see the gap between Marshall and Allen as the difference between "heavy favorite" and "good". Where I can turn my luxury assets into likely future value, I'd be looking to take advantage of it. Where I currently own long-term assets, I'd be looking to hold them. Of course it's very subjective and one can win using any number of strategies.

 
100% agree. Give me a shorter window of "heavy favorite" over a longer window of "good" every single time.
I agree as well. I just don't see the gap between Marshall and Allen as the difference between "heavy favorite" and "good". Where I can turn my luxury assets into likely future value, I'd be looking to take advantage of it. Where I currently own long-term assets, I'd be looking to hold them. Of course it's very subjective and one can win using any number of strategies.
Agreed here. The odds that Marshall in place of Allen being the difference of winning a title vs not doesn't outweigh the significant difference in age IMO.

 
100% agree. Give me a shorter window of "heavy favorite" over a longer window of "good" every single time.
I agree as well. I just don't see the gap between Marshall and Allen as the difference between "heavy favorite" and "good". Where I can turn my luxury assets into likely future value, I'd be looking to take advantage of it. Where I currently own long-term assets, I'd be looking to hold them. Of course it's very subjective and one can win using any number of strategies.
I personally see a 3-4 PPG boost as pretty significant, but of course I'd need to see all of the rosters before deciding for sure.

 
100% agree. Give me a shorter window of "heavy favorite" over a longer window of "good" every single time.
I agree as well. I just don't see the gap between Marshall and Allen as the difference between "heavy favorite" and "good". Where I can turn my luxury assets into likely future value, I'd be looking to take advantage of it. Where I currently own long-term assets, I'd be looking to hold them. Of course it's very subjective and one can win using any number of strategies.
I personally see a 3-4 PPG boost as pretty significant, but of course I'd need to see all of the rosters before deciding for sure.
Once Keenan Allen became a starter last year their stats were virtually identical. From week 4 on...

Allen: 1016/8

Marshall: 1045/10

Of course, no guarantee that this year will be the same and Allen brings more risk to not repeat, but with guys so close in scoring currently I think I'd have held onto Allen. There's no reason that a great team has to go straight to "league doormat" after their window closes.

 
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10 team start 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 1te, 1superflex, idp, 1ppr

Made a few trades:

I gave:

3.1

For:

Roddy White

I gave:

~10% FABB for the year

For:

Darren Sproles

Then I gave:

Roddy White

Darren Sproles

Jarred Allen

Barry Church

For:

1.11

The team dealing 1.11 won it all last year and I guess felt like he wanted depth all around to make sure he stays on top for this season, as he's going to be in contract hell coming up within the next 2 seasons (Fitz, Garcon, Lynch, Matthews, Moreno, Antonio Brown, Rivers, Witten all have 2 years or less remaining on their contracts so his team will probably be gutted by other owners as he is really low on FABB cash to be able to outbid on RFAs as well)

 
100% agree. Give me a shorter window of "heavy favorite" over a longer window of "good" every single time.
I agree as well. I just don't see the gap between Marshall and Allen as the difference between "heavy favorite" and "good". Where I can turn my luxury assets into likely future value, I'd be looking to take advantage of it. Where I currently own long-term assets, I'd be looking to hold them. Of course it's very subjective and one can win using any number of strategies.
I personally see a 3-4 PPG boost as pretty significant, but of course I'd need to see all of the rosters before deciding for sure.
Once Keenan Allen became a starter last year their stats were virtually identical. From week 4 on...

Allen: 1016/8

Marshall: 1045/10

Of course, no guarantee that this year will be the same and Allen brings more risk to not repeat, but with guys so close in scoring currently I think I'd have held onto Allen. There's no reason that a great team has to go straight to "league doormat" after their window closes.
Really interesting discussion here. You guys are like the voices debating in my head before making this deal. My dynasty philosophy is that either you want to be a leading title contender or in full rebuild mode, and never in between. I think what put me over the edge on this deal is that I expect the Chargers to really focus on running the ball going forward. Most of their offseason moves and draft points to that. The Bears are just the oopposite. And who's to say that Cutler in year 2 of the Trestman offense can't get better. The second half of the Bears season featured a lot of Josh McCown at the helm, and he threw more to Jeffery than I expect Cutler will.

Finally, although I'm terrible evaluating young RBs and QBs, I've had a pretty good track record with drafting and trading for good young WRs. This year's draft is looking really nice. I'm thinking I should be able to draft & develop the next generation over the next few years that'll be ready to step up 2-3 years from now when Marshall's in decline.

 
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12 team, 1/2 PPR

Gave: Keenan Allen

Got: Brandon Marshall

I've been fortunate enough to win this league the past two years, but I have an aging squad with Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, and Andre Johnson. I think Marshall and the pass happy Bears has a better 2014 than Allen & the run happy Chargers, and hopefully I can make a championship push 1 or 2 more years before my team signs up for Medicare.

My trading partner had an aging WR corps (Marshall, Fitz, Steve Smith) and apparently was looking to get younger.
Perfectly logical to value Marshall over Allen. That said, in your shoes, I'd be trying to extend my window, rather than push more of my assets into a closing one.
I go the other way on this one. You can't get full value out of your old guys, so put yourself in the best position to win while they're producing.
Sometimes it pays to sell a young up and coming guy for a better producing older guy. Titles are the end game after all and points win them each year. Tough deals to make but if it pays off you won't miss Allen as much

 
12 team, 1/2 PPR

Gave: Keenan Allen

Got: Brandon Marshall

I've been fortunate enough to win this league the past two years, but I have an aging squad with Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, and Andre Johnson. I think Marshall and the pass happy Bears has a better 2014 than Allen & the run happy Chargers, and hopefully I can make a championship push 1 or 2 more years before my team signs up for Medicare.

My trading partner had an aging WR corps (Marshall, Fitz, Steve Smith) and apparently was looking to get younger.
Perfectly logical to value Marshall over Allen. That said, in your shoes, I'd be trying to extend my window, rather than push more of my assets into a closing one.
I go the other way on this one. You can't get full value out of your old guys, so put yourself in the best position to win while they're producing.
Sometimes it pays to sell a young up and coming guy for a better producing older guy. Titles are the end game after all and points win them each year. Tough deals to make but if it pays off you won't miss Allen as much
Right, but this isn't Monte Ball of Adrian Peterson we're talking about here. Once Allen took the starting role in week 4 he scored stride for stride with Marshall, as a rookie no less.

Things can change from year to year and Marshall is probably a "safer" bet to score well, but Allen could just as easily outscore Marshall this year as the other way around.

 
12 team, 1/2 PPR

Gave: Keenan Allen

Got: Brandon Marshall

I've been fortunate enough to win this league the past two years, but I have an aging squad with Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, and Andre Johnson. I think Marshall and the pass happy Bears has a better 2014 than Allen & the run happy Chargers, and hopefully I can make a championship push 1 or 2 more years before my team signs up for Medicare.

My trading partner had an aging WR corps (Marshall, Fitz, Steve Smith) and apparently was looking to get younger.
Perfectly logical to value Marshall over Allen. That said, in your shoes, I'd be trying to extend my window, rather than push more of my assets into a closing one.
I go the other way on this one. You can't get full value out of your old guys, so put yourself in the best position to win while they're producing.
Sometimes it pays to sell a young up and coming guy for a better producing older guy. Titles are the end game after all and points win them each year. Tough deals to make but if it pays off you won't miss Allen as much
Right, but this isn't Monte Ball of Adrian Peterson we're talking about here. Once Allen took the starting role in week 4 he scored stride for stride with Marshall, as a rookie no less.

Things can change from year to year and Marshall is probably a "safer" bet to score well, but Allen could just as easily outscore Marshall this year as the other way around.
This is true. However there is a large sample size on Marshall scoring as WR1. Allen there is only a projection of what he might be able to do. I think the deal suggests that the guy dealing Allen would rather play the safer bet. I mean Rivers had a career year and he has had a pretty good career so it is also possible we have seen Allen's peak...not likely but possible

 
10 team, 1/2 ppr for WR/TE only, start QRRWWT + flex, 5 year max contracts (rookies can be kept on rookie/devy squad for up to 2 yrs before contract)

Flurry of mid draft trades:

BF gives J.Charles (4 yrs), pick 17

FJ gives Ben Tate (4 yrs), S.Watkins ®, 2015 1st (late), 2015 1st (mid, chance of high)

BF gives 2015 1st (mid/late), 2015 2nd (mid/late), 2014 pick 28, Jacquizz Rodgers (open contracts)

MM gives A.Foster (1 yr), R.Mathews (1 yr), pick 18

FJ gives pick 17, 2015 2nd and 5th (both late)

MM gives pick 20, 28, $100 blind bidding money (each team receives $500 per season to use on free agents and RFAs, and it rolls over yr to yr)

BF gives pick 18

FJ gives pick 20, 34, 2015 3rd rounder

BF gives pick 20, RFA rights to R.Jennings

XF gives W.Welker (2 yr)

Thoughts?

 
12 Team PPR:

Team A gives: Peyton Manning and Julius Thomas

Team B gives: Tom Brady, Robert Woods, 2.3, 2.4

 
12 Team PPR:

Team A gives: Peyton Manning and Julius Thomas

Team B gives: Tom Brady, Robert Woods, 2.3, 2.4
The early 2nd round is a nic spot this year, but not enough for me to move the two best players in the deal. Very cheap for Manning and Thomas.

 
12 Team PPR:

Team A gives: Peyton Manning and Julius Thomas

Team B gives: Tom Brady, Robert Woods, 2.3, 2.4
The early 2nd round is a nic spot this year, but not enough for me to move the two best players in the deal. Very cheap for Manning and Thomas.
Not involved and thought the same. The two picks look good to me but Team B is getting two studs this year.

 
12 team ppr, QRRWWWTF

Gave: 1.05, 1.13 (toilet bowl), 2.01

Got: 1.04, 2.03, 2015 1st
Is this on the clock? Where is that first projected to be?
Not on the clock. Main goal for me was to move current pick for a 2015 1st before cuts are due. 2015 comes from non-playoff team, but savvy owner. I'm treating it as truly random.
Figure the 2.01 and 2.03 are basically equal. to give the last 1st this year for a random 2015 first is usually a good move. and the slight bump. Nicely done.

 
12 team ppr, QRRWWWTF

Gave: 1.05, 1.13 (toilet bowl), 2.01

Got: 1.04, 2.03, 2015 1st
Is this on the clock? Where is that first projected to be?
Not on the clock. Main goal for me was to move current pick for a 2015 1st before cuts are due. 2015 comes from non-playoff team, but savvy owner. I'm treating it as truly random.
Figure the 2.01 and 2.03 are basically equal. to give the last 1st this year for a random 2015 first is usually a good move. and the slight bump. Nicely done.
Yeah, I think the 1.04/2.03 for 1.5/2.01 swap is even. Glad to get the future first for 1.13.
 
Bamac said:
r0llin_game said:
Bamac said:
12 team ppr, QRRWWWTF

Gave: 1.05, 1.13 (toilet bowl), 2.01

Got: 1.04, 2.03, 2015 1st
Is this on the clock? Where is that first projected to be?
Not on the clock. Main goal for me was to move current pick for a 2015 1st before cuts are due. 2015 comes from non-playoff team, but savvy owner. I'm treating it as truly random.
Solid deal getting 2015 1st for 1.13 and moving up from 5 to 4

 
14 team PPR dynasty. Devy league. Most top devy prospects are gone. Start 1QB, 1-3RB, 2-4WR, 1-3TE.

1.5 PPR for TE

Gave:

Julius Thomas

Sammy Watkins

Got:

Rob Gronkowski

Garrett Graham

2015 1st (mid-late)

2015 1st (mid-late)

2015 Devy (we only have one round--mid/late)

My roster:

Brees

Spiller, *Karlos Williams, *Duke Johnson

Calvin, Dez, Julio, DT

Gronk, G. Graham

 
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Warpig said:
For your amusement, I just pulled this off:

I gave:

Justin Blackmon

I get:

Brandon Carr and Dashon Goldson

Then I traded Brandon Carr for the 6.03 rookie pick.

So I got Dashon Goldson and the 6.03 rookie pick for Blackmon. LOL! People were wanting multiple 1st rounders for Blackmon not too long ago.
So because you gave him away that makes other people wrong?? Alrighty.

 
Warpig said:
FUBAR said:
Warpig said:
For your amusement, I just pulled this off:

I gave:

Justin Blackmon

I get:

Brandon Carr and Dashon Goldson

Then I traded Brandon Carr for the 6.03 rookie pick.

So I got Dashon Goldson and the 6.03 rookie pick for Blackmon. LOL! People were wanting multiple 1st rounders for Blackmon not too long ago.
I'd rather keep him at that price.
Salary cap league. By ditching him now it saved me some money to use elsewhere in FA. I was gonna cut him. I was happy to get anything for him. So I got a S that I needed, a draft pick I can do something with, and some precious cap relief. In a non-cap league I would agree with you.
Helps to mention that initially.

 

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