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I'd already gone back saying it wouldn't matter, I held onto Blackmon and Hernandez too long, don't want to do it again
I'm usually pretty open to risk but the stuff I saw posted (I think by you?) about the sheer volume of tests had me sending out offers. Even if he never misses another game I'll be glad I made the deal, it's the sound move at this pointEven if it's not a year this time, what are the chances that he stays clean in the face of stage 3 testing moving forward? Slim to none IMO given the fact that he's failed 5(!) tests minimum since fall 2010. He's toast, literally and figuratively.
This may no longer be the case, under a new policy though. I'm not sure, but while it may be "too late" for him to avoid the year, once he's reinstated maybe he only faces 1-2 game suspencions for weed relapses based on the new policy.Even if it's not a year this time, what are the chances that he stays clean in the face of stage 3 testing moving forward? Slim to none IMO given the fact that he's failed 5(!) tests minimum since fall 2010. He's toast, literally and figuratively.
Maybe, and a wholesale policy change would absolutely change my valuation of Gordon. But I doubt it will happen soon enough to matter, personally. I've read that they're looking at lessening penalties for first time offenders -- and seen nothing about sweeping changes overall. NFL owners aren't exactly your typical socially liberal types, and the current CBA runs through 2020 I believe. I think the policy is stupid; it takes talent off of the field for something that most of us realize is no big deal. But IMO it'll be hard to change the minds of a majority of rich successful old white guys that weed is no biggie. We'll see, but I wouldn't be banking on a massive overnight 360 at this point.This may no longer be the case, under a new policy though. I'm not sure, but while it may be "too late" for him to avoid the year, once he's reinstated maybe he only faces 1-2 game suspencions for weed relapses based on the new policy.Even if it's not a year this time, what are the chances that he stays clean in the face of stage 3 testing moving forward? Slim to none IMO given the fact that he's failed 5(!) tests minimum since fall 2010. He's toast, literally and figuratively.
Stills >> BoyceRudolph >> WrightConnSKINS26 said:Jeffery. Not close.Team A gave up Boyce, Josh NEP WR;Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR;Wright, Tim TBB TE; Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick
Team B gave up Richardson, Trent IND RB;Stills, Kenny NOS WR;Rudolph, Kyle MIN TE; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.09; Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick
1. Irrelevant in a deal involving a stud.Stills >> BoyceRudolph >> WrightConnSKINS26 said:Jeffery. Not close.Team A gave up Boyce, Josh NEP WR;Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR;Wright, Tim TBB TE; Year 2015 Round 2 Draft PickTeam B gave up Richardson, Trent IND RB;Stills, Kenny NOS WR;Rudolph, Kyle MIN TE; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.09; Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick
Richardson + two firsts >> Jeffrey
Agreed.1. Irrelevant in a deal involving a stud.Stills >> BoyceRudolph >> WrightConnSKINS26 said:Jeffery. Not close.Team A gave up Boyce, Josh NEP WR;Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR;Wright, Tim TBB TE; Year 2015 Round 2 Draft PickTeam B gave up Richardson, Trent IND RB;Stills, Kenny NOS WR;Rudolph, Kyle MIN TE; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.09; Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick
Richardson + two firsts >> Jeffrey
2. Irrelevant in a deal involving a stud.
3. No.
Assume you're in total rebuild? I'd want more for CJ but he likely won't get it right now and if you wait until after the draft, you'd probably need to get 2015 picks. Your deal getting Crabtree was good, getting three 2nds isn't bad, seems fair.A few completed trades in the last week. 12 team ppr qrrwwwt. I'm team A taking over an orphan team that is short on picks this year and next.
Team A gives Chris Johnson
Team B gives 2.05
Team A gives Russell Wilson, Marlon Brown, 2.10, 3.07
Team C gives Michael Crabtree, Carson Palmer, 2.08, 4.08
Team D gives Denard Robinson
Team E gives 2.12
Team A gives Michael Crabtree
Team D gives 2.02, 2.04, 2.12, Travis Kelce
Yeah total rebuild. I have 8 open roster spots, and free agents are locked until Draft, so I was looking to add quality depth. It gives me 6 picks from 14 to 25, so that should help in this Draft.Assume you're in total rebuild? I'd want more for CJ but he likely won't get it right now and if you wait until after the draft, you'd probably need to get 2015 picks. Your deal getting Crabtree was good, getting three 2nds isn't bad, seems fair.A few completed trades in the last week. 12 team ppr qrrwwwt. I'm team A taking over an orphan team that is short on picks this year and next.
Team A gives Chris Johnson
Team B gives 2.05
Team A gives Russell Wilson, Marlon Brown, 2.10, 3.07
Team C gives Michael Crabtree, Carson Palmer, 2.08, 4.08
Team D gives Denard Robinson
Team E gives 2.12
Team A gives Michael Crabtree
Team D gives 2.02, 2.04, 2.12, Travis Kelce
I just dealt the 76th pick (IDP) for Denard and the 109th pick. The 109th pick likely holds very little value, but the 2.12 is too much to give for Denard IMO.
Picks. Especially in this format.10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 2FLEX
Team A trades:
Adrian Peterson
Team B trades:
1.02
2015 1st
Perfectly logical to value Marshall over Allen. That said, in your shoes, I'd be trying to extend my window, rather than push more of my assets into a closing one.12 team, 1/2 PPR
Gave: Keenan Allen
Got: Brandon Marshall
I've been fortunate enough to win this league the past two years, but I have an aging squad with Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, and Andre Johnson. I think Marshall and the pass happy Bears has a better 2014 than Allen & the run happy Chargers, and hopefully I can make a championship push 1 or 2 more years before my team signs up for Medicare.
My trading partner had an aging WR corps (Marshall, Fitz, Steve Smith) and apparently was looking to get younger.
I'd rather keep him at that price.For your amusement, I just pulled this off:
I gave:
Justin Blackmon
I get:
Brandon Carr and Dashon Goldson
Then I traded Brandon Carr for the 6.03 rookie pick.
So I got Dashon Goldson and the 6.03 rookie pick for Blackmon. LOL! People were wanting multiple 1st rounders for Blackmon not too long ago.
This is an interesting one. If you have the depth to make the gamble, I think it could very well pay off. I do expect Sanders to be the more productive player over the short-term, however.12 team PPR
Gave E Sanders
Got Dobson
I go the other way on this one. You can't get full value out of your old guys, so put yourself in the best position to win while they're producing.Perfectly logical to value Marshall over Allen. That said, in your shoes, I'd be trying to extend my window, rather than push more of my assets into a closing one.12 team, 1/2 PPR
Gave: Keenan Allen
Got: Brandon Marshall
I've been fortunate enough to win this league the past two years, but I have an aging squad with Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, and Andre Johnson. I think Marshall and the pass happy Bears has a better 2014 than Allen & the run happy Chargers, and hopefully I can make a championship push 1 or 2 more years before my team signs up for Medicare.
My trading partner had an aging WR corps (Marshall, Fitz, Steve Smith) and apparently was looking to get younger.
Salary cap league. By ditching him now it saved me some money to use elsewhere in FA. I was gonna cut him. I was happy to get anything for him. So I got a S that I needed, a draft pick I can do something with, and some precious cap relief. In a non-cap league I would agree with you.I'd rather keep him at that price.For your amusement, I just pulled this off:
I gave:
Justin Blackmon
I get:
Brandon Carr and Dashon Goldson
Then I traded Brandon Carr for the 6.03 rookie pick.
So I got Dashon Goldson and the 6.03 rookie pick for Blackmon. LOL! People were wanting multiple 1st rounders for Blackmon not too long ago.
100% agree. Give me a shorter window of "heavy favorite" over a longer window of "good" every single time. Although that definitely requires a realistic assessment of when the "heavy favorite" dries up -- because merely "good" paired with "old" just sucks. There's a HUGE difference between the true upper echelon and the 2nd tier most of the time.I go the other way on this one. You can't get full value out of your old guys, so put yourself in the best position to win while they're producing.Perfectly logical to value Marshall over Allen. That said, in your shoes, I'd be trying to extend my window, rather than push more of my assets into a closing one.12 team, 1/2 PPR
Gave: Keenan Allen
Got: Brandon Marshall
I've been fortunate enough to win this league the past two years, but I have an aging squad with Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, and Andre Johnson. I think Marshall and the pass happy Bears has a better 2014 than Allen & the run happy Chargers, and hopefully I can make a championship push 1 or 2 more years before my team signs up for Medicare.
My trading partner had an aging WR corps (Marshall, Fitz, Steve Smith) and apparently was looking to get younger.
I agree as well. I just don't see the gap between Marshall and Allen as the difference between "heavy favorite" and "good". Where I can turn my luxury assets into likely future value, I'd be looking to take advantage of it. Where I currently own long-term assets, I'd be looking to hold them. Of course it's very subjective and one can win using any number of strategies.100% agree. Give me a shorter window of "heavy favorite" over a longer window of "good" every single time.
Agreed here. The odds that Marshall in place of Allen being the difference of winning a title vs not doesn't outweigh the significant difference in age IMO.I agree as well. I just don't see the gap between Marshall and Allen as the difference between "heavy favorite" and "good". Where I can turn my luxury assets into likely future value, I'd be looking to take advantage of it. Where I currently own long-term assets, I'd be looking to hold them. Of course it's very subjective and one can win using any number of strategies.100% agree. Give me a shorter window of "heavy favorite" over a longer window of "good" every single time.
I personally see a 3-4 PPG boost as pretty significant, but of course I'd need to see all of the rosters before deciding for sure.I agree as well. I just don't see the gap between Marshall and Allen as the difference between "heavy favorite" and "good". Where I can turn my luxury assets into likely future value, I'd be looking to take advantage of it. Where I currently own long-term assets, I'd be looking to hold them. Of course it's very subjective and one can win using any number of strategies.100% agree. Give me a shorter window of "heavy favorite" over a longer window of "good" every single time.
Once Keenan Allen became a starter last year their stats were virtually identical. From week 4 on...I personally see a 3-4 PPG boost as pretty significant, but of course I'd need to see all of the rosters before deciding for sure.I agree as well. I just don't see the gap between Marshall and Allen as the difference between "heavy favorite" and "good". Where I can turn my luxury assets into likely future value, I'd be looking to take advantage of it. Where I currently own long-term assets, I'd be looking to hold them. Of course it's very subjective and one can win using any number of strategies.100% agree. Give me a shorter window of "heavy favorite" over a longer window of "good" every single time.
Really interesting discussion here. You guys are like the voices debating in my head before making this deal. My dynasty philosophy is that either you want to be a leading title contender or in full rebuild mode, and never in between. I think what put me over the edge on this deal is that I expect the Chargers to really focus on running the ball going forward. Most of their offseason moves and draft points to that. The Bears are just the oopposite. And who's to say that Cutler in year 2 of the Trestman offense can't get better. The second half of the Bears season featured a lot of Josh McCown at the helm, and he threw more to Jeffery than I expect Cutler will.Once Keenan Allen became a starter last year their stats were virtually identical. From week 4 on...I personally see a 3-4 PPG boost as pretty significant, but of course I'd need to see all of the rosters before deciding for sure.I agree as well. I just don't see the gap between Marshall and Allen as the difference between "heavy favorite" and "good". Where I can turn my luxury assets into likely future value, I'd be looking to take advantage of it. Where I currently own long-term assets, I'd be looking to hold them. Of course it's very subjective and one can win using any number of strategies.100% agree. Give me a shorter window of "heavy favorite" over a longer window of "good" every single time.
Allen: 1016/8
Marshall: 1045/10
Of course, no guarantee that this year will be the same and Allen brings more risk to not repeat, but with guys so close in scoring currently I think I'd have held onto Allen. There's no reason that a great team has to go straight to "league doormat" after their window closes.
Picks for me. Love AP but start 1 league that is a solid return10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 2FLEX
Team A trades:
Adrian Peterson
Team B trades:
1.02
2015 1st
Sometimes it pays to sell a young up and coming guy for a better producing older guy. Titles are the end game after all and points win them each year. Tough deals to make but if it pays off you won't miss Allen as muchI go the other way on this one. You can't get full value out of your old guys, so put yourself in the best position to win while they're producing.Perfectly logical to value Marshall over Allen. That said, in your shoes, I'd be trying to extend my window, rather than push more of my assets into a closing one.12 team, 1/2 PPR
Gave: Keenan Allen
Got: Brandon Marshall
I've been fortunate enough to win this league the past two years, but I have an aging squad with Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, and Andre Johnson. I think Marshall and the pass happy Bears has a better 2014 than Allen & the run happy Chargers, and hopefully I can make a championship push 1 or 2 more years before my team signs up for Medicare.
My trading partner had an aging WR corps (Marshall, Fitz, Steve Smith) and apparently was looking to get younger.
Yeah. I like Dobson but maybe not that much. I probably would have wanted something back with DobsonThis is an interesting one. If you have the depth to make the gamble, I think it could very well pay off. I do expect Sanders to be the more productive player over the short-term, however.12 team PPR
Gave E Sanders
Got Dobson
Right, but this isn't Monte Ball of Adrian Peterson we're talking about here. Once Allen took the starting role in week 4 he scored stride for stride with Marshall, as a rookie no less.Sometimes it pays to sell a young up and coming guy for a better producing older guy. Titles are the end game after all and points win them each year. Tough deals to make but if it pays off you won't miss Allen as muchI go the other way on this one. You can't get full value out of your old guys, so put yourself in the best position to win while they're producing.Perfectly logical to value Marshall over Allen. That said, in your shoes, I'd be trying to extend my window, rather than push more of my assets into a closing one.12 team, 1/2 PPR
Gave: Keenan Allen
Got: Brandon Marshall
I've been fortunate enough to win this league the past two years, but I have an aging squad with Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, and Andre Johnson. I think Marshall and the pass happy Bears has a better 2014 than Allen & the run happy Chargers, and hopefully I can make a championship push 1 or 2 more years before my team signs up for Medicare.
My trading partner had an aging WR corps (Marshall, Fitz, Steve Smith) and apparently was looking to get younger.
This is true. However there is a large sample size on Marshall scoring as WR1. Allen there is only a projection of what he might be able to do. I think the deal suggests that the guy dealing Allen would rather play the safer bet. I mean Rivers had a career year and he has had a pretty good career so it is also possible we have seen Allen's peak...not likely but possibleRight, but this isn't Monte Ball of Adrian Peterson we're talking about here. Once Allen took the starting role in week 4 he scored stride for stride with Marshall, as a rookie no less.Sometimes it pays to sell a young up and coming guy for a better producing older guy. Titles are the end game after all and points win them each year. Tough deals to make but if it pays off you won't miss Allen as muchI go the other way on this one. You can't get full value out of your old guys, so put yourself in the best position to win while they're producing.Perfectly logical to value Marshall over Allen. That said, in your shoes, I'd be trying to extend my window, rather than push more of my assets into a closing one.12 team, 1/2 PPR
Gave: Keenan Allen
Got: Brandon Marshall
I've been fortunate enough to win this league the past two years, but I have an aging squad with Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, and Andre Johnson. I think Marshall and the pass happy Bears has a better 2014 than Allen & the run happy Chargers, and hopefully I can make a championship push 1 or 2 more years before my team signs up for Medicare.
My trading partner had an aging WR corps (Marshall, Fitz, Steve Smith) and apparently was looking to get younger.
Things can change from year to year and Marshall is probably a "safer" bet to score well, but Allen could just as easily outscore Marshall this year as the other way around.
Is this on the clock? Where is that first projected to be?12 team ppr, QRRWWWTF
Gave: 1.05, 1.13 (toilet bowl), 2.01
Got: 1.04, 2.03, 2015 1st
Not on the clock. Main goal for me was to move current pick for a 2015 1st before cuts are due. 2015 comes from non-playoff team, but savvy owner. I'm treating it as truly random.Is this on the clock? Where is that first projected to be?12 team ppr, QRRWWWTF
Gave: 1.05, 1.13 (toilet bowl), 2.01
Got: 1.04, 2.03, 2015 1st
The early 2nd round is a nic spot this year, but not enough for me to move the two best players in the deal. Very cheap for Manning and Thomas.12 Team PPR:
Team A gives: Peyton Manning and Julius Thomas
Team B gives: Tom Brady, Robert Woods, 2.3, 2.4
Not involved and thought the same. The two picks look good to me but Team B is getting two studs this year.The early 2nd round is a nic spot this year, but not enough for me to move the two best players in the deal. Very cheap for Manning and Thomas.12 Team PPR:
Team A gives: Peyton Manning and Julius Thomas
Team B gives: Tom Brady, Robert Woods, 2.3, 2.4
Figure the 2.01 and 2.03 are basically equal. to give the last 1st this year for a random 2015 first is usually a good move. and the slight bump. Nicely done.Not on the clock. Main goal for me was to move current pick for a 2015 1st before cuts are due. 2015 comes from non-playoff team, but savvy owner. I'm treating it as truly random.Is this on the clock? Where is that first projected to be?12 team ppr, QRRWWWTF
Gave: 1.05, 1.13 (toilet bowl), 2.01
Got: 1.04, 2.03, 2015 1st
Yeah, I think the 1.04/2.03 for 1.5/2.01 swap is even. Glad to get the future first for 1.13.Figure the 2.01 and 2.03 are basically equal. to give the last 1st this year for a random 2015 first is usually a good move. and the slight bump. Nicely done.Not on the clock. Main goal for me was to move current pick for a 2015 1st before cuts are due. 2015 comes from non-playoff team, but savvy owner. I'm treating it as truly random.Is this on the clock? Where is that first projected to be?12 team ppr, QRRWWWTF
Gave: 1.05, 1.13 (toilet bowl), 2.01
Got: 1.04, 2.03, 2015 1st
Solid deal getting 2015 1st for 1.13 and moving up from 5 to 4Bamac said:Not on the clock. Main goal for me was to move current pick for a 2015 1st before cuts are due. 2015 comes from non-playoff team, but savvy owner. I'm treating it as truly random.r0llin_game said:Is this on the clock? Where is that first projected to be?Bamac said:12 team ppr, QRRWWWTF
Gave: 1.05, 1.13 (toilet bowl), 2.01
Got: 1.04, 2.03, 2015 1st
So because you gave him away that makes other people wrong?? Alrighty.Warpig said:For your amusement, I just pulled this off:
I gave:
Justin Blackmon
I get:
Brandon Carr and Dashon Goldson
Then I traded Brandon Carr for the 6.03 rookie pick.
So I got Dashon Goldson and the 6.03 rookie pick for Blackmon. LOL! People were wanting multiple 1st rounders for Blackmon not too long ago.
Helps to mention that initially.Warpig said:Salary cap league. By ditching him now it saved me some money to use elsewhere in FA. I was gonna cut him. I was happy to get anything for him. So I got a S that I needed, a draft pick I can do something with, and some precious cap relief. In a non-cap league I would agree with you.FUBAR said:I'd rather keep him at that price.Warpig said:For your amusement, I just pulled this off:
I gave:
Justin Blackmon
I get:
Brandon Carr and Dashon Goldson
Then I traded Brandon Carr for the 6.03 rookie pick.
So I got Dashon Goldson and the 6.03 rookie pick for Blackmon. LOL! People were wanting multiple 1st rounders for Blackmon not too long ago.