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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (4 Viewers)
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Jrodicus
Footballguy
The guy who traded away Wilson alson has Ryan. About a month ago, he made a trade that also landed him Peyton. So he had 3 QBs....but there is really only 1 other guy in the league who desperately needs a better starting QB (has Eli). I preferred Ryan (as my backup for Luck), but he was more willing to move Wilson. It just so happens that the 1 guy that needs a starting QB is a big Wilson fan.
I'm pretty sure I can flip Wilson for the 1.08.
Jrodicus
Footballguy
There are 12 teams with 24 man rosters.
I would love to see your list of 288 players that should be rostered ahead of TRich and Ballard.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Ballard is definitely not on that list for me.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think Ballard had his short window of fantasy relevance - and now coming off a knee injury he'll probably fade away as better talent comes into the league. I may not go as far as to say he's unrosterable, but there's probably close to 288 players I'd rather roster and would certainly have not traded a young RB for him to "secure the Colts backfield" in January. We have no idea what the Colts backfield is going to look like at this point. Trent will be given an opportunity, Donald Brown could be back, Ahmad Bradshaw could be back, a free agent could be signed, a RB could be drafted or signed as an UDFA....
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
14 Team, PPR, 1.5TE, Devy
Devy’s Rostered:
2014-RB; Seastruck, Carey, Wilder, DAT, ASJ, Lyeria WR; Watkins, Lee
2015- RB; Gurley, Yeldon, D Johnson, Dyer, Archer WR; Cooper
Team A gave; Kendall Wright
Team B gave; 2014-1.7 and Devy 1.11 (any college player available)
Devy’s Rostered:
2014-RB; Seastruck, Carey, Wilder, DAT, ASJ, Lyeria WR; Watkins, Lee
2015- RB; Gurley, Yeldon, D Johnson, Dyer, Archer WR; Cooper
Team A gave; Kendall Wright
Team B gave; 2014-1.7 and Devy 1.11 (any college player available)
Jrodicus
Footballguy
Saying that I traded a yound RB for Ballard is strawman.
I traded Ellington for the 1.09. I traded the 2.02 for Ballard.
Was the 2.02 an overpay for Ballard? Sure. But I also value that 1.09 more than Ellington.
Jrodicus
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I guess we could also look at it as swapping Ellington for Ballard to move up 5 spots.
It wasn't meant to be a "strawman" since, you know....the trade involved Ballard and Ellington. Generally I wouldn't say there's a huge difference between the 1.09 and 2.02 - but obviously that would depend on many factors - so I view it practically as Ballard for Ellington.
You're happy with the trade - that's all that matters to you. People post opinions on trades in this thread and discuss the players involved. Don't take it personally.
solorca
Footballguy
I think it all depends on the need. Forte is closing is 28 and I feel as though I'm selling him before the bottom falls out. His value will never be any higher than it is right now, regardless of how well he plays. Plus, I have an aging team and am a huge Watkins fan. I can absorb the loss of Forte with Vereen, Gore/Hunter, Woodhead, Sproles (only have to start 2), etc, and can now add a younger RB with the 1.08 pick I already had and possibly the 2.01 as well.
I'll add Watkins to a WR group of Alshon Jeffrey and a number of aging assets (Andre, Colston, etc.). This is just step one of a rebuild where I hopefully remain competitive while getting younger.
solorca
Footballguy
I'd probably agree that I gave up more perceived value on all of them (except the 4th). For the two Moore trades, they were made because I'm really high on him and think he's underrated. Plus, I think that we've seen Cecil Shorts' peak (though I could certainly be wrong). The Olsen trade was simply because I have multiple TE options and very few people trade tight ends in that league...so there are multiple guys just rotting on my bench.
Jrodicus
Footballguy
[SIZE=10.5pt]No offense taken. The comment of trading "a young RB for him (Ballard) to "secure the Colts backfield" in January" that you assigned as my motivation in the deal is a misrepresentation – hence, a straw man.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]In most of my dynasty leagues, guys like Allen, Hopkins, and Hunter were taken around 1.09, and the 2.03 got Franklin, Woods, or Wheaton. To me, this is a pretty decent gap.[/SIZE]
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Took over a team in a 1PPR league. Must start 1 player at each position and 3 flex (no IDP)
Looked at it, and said I needed to start a severe rebuild... I wanted to make this squad MINE
*** Goal is to make a push for championship in 2yrs, be a beast in 3 ***
Trades:
1) Gave: Charles Got: Gordon
2) Gave: P Manning, 2.06 this year, 1st round next year. Got: Dez Bryant, 3.03 this year
3) Gave: Jordy Nelson Got: 1.04 this year, 1st rounder next year
These are the EXACT moves I wanted to make, so im excited. I wanted to get a bit more for Charles, but the owner didnt even want to make this trade, so I had to push to make it happen.
Im excited. Hoping to land watkins/evans or both with my 1.04+1.05 this year
Looked at it, and said I needed to start a severe rebuild... I wanted to make this squad MINE
*** Goal is to make a push for championship in 2yrs, be a beast in 3 ***
Trades:
1) Gave: Charles Got: Gordon
2) Gave: P Manning, 2.06 this year, 1st round next year. Got: Dez Bryant, 3.03 this year
3) Gave: Jordy Nelson Got: 1.04 this year, 1st rounder next year
These are the EXACT moves I wanted to make, so im excited. I wanted to get a bit more for Charles, but the owner didnt even want to make this trade, so I had to push to make it happen.
Im excited. Hoping to land watkins/evans or both with my 1.04+1.05 this year
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I saw Allen and Hunter go in the early second in a few leagues. In fact I drafted Woods, Allen and Hunter at 2.01, 2.02 and 2.03 in one league. I saw Franklin go as high as 1.06. Most of the players you listed were all over the board from 1.06-2.06 (with the exception of Hopkins who I didn't see go any later than 1.06 anywhere). Guess that adds to my point about there not being a huge difference between the 1.09 and 2.02, imo - but as I did say also that will obviously depend of the circumstances of the draft, who is on the board,etc.Jrodicus said:
As far as "securing the Colts backfield", those were your words:
Anyway, too much time has been wasted on this like I said, all that really matter to you, is that you're happy with the deal. If Ellington stumbles, it wouldn't be the first time a back flashed a bit in his rookie season and faded away quickly.
Riffraff
Footballguy
You know, like Ballard did.
Ballard and Ellington had similar stats in their respective rookie years. I know they don't play the same way, one is a bigger back and the other is a scat back. But if Ellington gets hurt in his first game of his second season, they may have even more mirroring careers. One never knows how these things turn out. Ballard could still have a better career than Ellington when all is said and done. Injured players are too easily forgotten in our "what have you done for me lately?" hobby.
What we do know is that both the Cardinals and the Colts will bring in another RB in the off-season. They have a roster spot to fill.
What we don't know is how good of a back each team will bring aboard.
I don't think the trade is all that bad.
Sure.solorca said:
Although Forte is only 1 year older than Charles and I think 1.01 would be selling Charles horribly short. Anyway 1.01 is a great pick and might be all you can get for Forte but I think if that is the case I will be keeping Forte until he is run dry. The production loss is just too substantial at a position that is thin at the top
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
solorca
Footballguy
To each their own. I always build my teams around receivers and have made a career out of selling running backs before their value drops. Sure, you'll occasionally have a guy like Curtis Martin who has a big year, but more often than not I'd rather sell someone a year too early than a year too late.
That one year between Charles and Forte is huge. Trying to sell a 29 year old running back is next to impossible (which is what Forte will be in December). Charles gives you another year before you have to sell him before his value takes a huge tumble. This is evidenced by the fact that Forte just came off a massive season and his ADP is only 21.5 (
In fairness, I wouldn't be selling Forte for the 1.01 if I thought that I couldn't absorb the hit. I should still be near the top of the league next season given my overall depth at every position. It also helps that I've been salivating over Sammie Watkins since his freshman year, and this was the only league I have been able to make a deal happen for the 1.01.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
Jeremy
Footballguy
I certainly wouldn't, but then like a lot of team that have the 1st overall pick, I'm rebuilding. I'm doubt the guy who has Forte in my league would give him up for the 1.01.
coolnerd
Footballguy
There is a clear gap between Forte's play value and trade value. with a guy like him unless an owner catches another team with a specific short term need, those values have little chance of meeting. In short, depending on the league and my situation, it is more probably that I would not take 1.01 for Forte nor trade 1.01 for Forte.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Jrodicus
Footballguy
Unless you only play in leagues with 5-man rosters, you may want to reconsider if dynasty is for you.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I am doing well in my dynasty leagues, thanks. And a big part of that is knowing when to cut dead weight.
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Holding someone with talent as a RB4/5 isn't dead weight. It's being patient.
Many probably viewed Moreno and Donald Brown as dead weight a few years ago
Many probably viewed Moreno and Donald Brown as dead weight a few years ago
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I think he is saying Trent may be more scheme and situation dependent than talented and hard to say that is far off after watching him struggle this year.
With the physical tools TRich has, size/speed combo, IF he was a talented runner I have a hard time seeing how DBrown outperforms him. I think that maybe is what was revealed about TRich with his struggles this season. Not to say he can't or won't be successful but he may be more scheme/situation dependent and less talented than previously believed.
Moreno I think is a product of the offense. Manning helps make pretty much any RB that can pick up a blitz look good
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Obvioulsy I am over exaggerating how crappy I think Richardson is a bit, but anywhere I had him last year I moved him, and am thrilled with what I got. If I owned him anywhere now, I would likely sell him for anything reasonable after shopping him around.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
FFPC
Christin Michael
pick 22
for
pick 9
Christin Michael
pick 22
for
pick 9
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
12 team PPR with Flex
Vereen
A. Gates
C. Givens
for
C. Patterson
Vereen
A. Gates
C. Givens
for
C. Patterson
opensourcebeer
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Bolded for emphasis. We have about 18-20 players rostered already that are draft eligible.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Might depend which players, but probably not, I pretty much take the pick regardless. And depending on the players, might be by a landslide still
Possibly might end up that way, depending who Oak brings in.
FWIW-- the guys that will be there around 1.11 will be 3rd day RBs and WRs, perhaps a 2nd day TE. (think Quinton Patton, Joseph Randle, Marquis Goodwin). I took a chance on a possible RB flex, where I'm rather thin, as I seriously doubt whoever I pick at 1.11 would make my roster.
FUBAR
Footballguy
1 - Understand why you'd do it, but did you shop Charles around the league first? Or was Gordon your sole target?
2 - good trade regardless if you're building or contending. Love Peyton, but Dez is worth a lot more in dynasty. When I had and was shopping Peyton, in the middle of last season, he wouldn't net Dez.
3 - Picks IMO are worth more than Nelson.
Don't see Watkins falling to 4. Evans probably should be there for you.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Only cheaper price I have seen Dez go for lately is in my sig
ghostguy123
Footballguy
That is criminal to get jeffrey for foles.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
To answer #1 - Gordon was my sole target. He was being pursued by 2 other teams, so I had to act fast, despite the fact the owner did NOT want to sell. Put it this way - I had to hard sell this trade, as he didnt even budge when I said Charles for Gordon...
But Gordon is my #1 dynasty WR, so I went hard and have zero worry about this move.
Agree on the other 2 points. Im happy with my offseason to date
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Eric Decker
Rueben Randle
David Wilson
1.11
2.01
for
Calvin Johnson
2.08
Rueben Randle
David Wilson
1.11
2.01
for
Calvin Johnson
2.08
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