*** Official 2009 Minnesota Vikings Offseason Thread *** (1 Viewer)

[Vikes Fan]

For as much as the Vikings have been in the papers during Free Agency (Housh and Cutler) they haven't done SQUAT!!!

Come on! Give me something!! A left tackle! More CB depth! Another WR! Now a Center! Come on...give me something!

(And don't give me any B.S. about Kliensasser. Yes it is good to resign him, but please!!!)

 

[snogger]

For as much as the Vikings have been in the papers during Free Agency (Housh and Cutler) they haven't done SQUAT!!!Come on! Give me something!! A left tackle! More CB depth! Another WR! Now a Center! Come on...give me something!(And don't give me any B.S. about Kliensasser. Yes it is good to resign him, but please!!!)

New as a Viking Fan This is the Norm for the past 5 to 10 years.. They tease us each year how they are going to do whatever it takes to improve the team and we end up getting only to end up getting

 

[FunkyPlutos]

I've said it before: Birk is my favorite all time Viking! But he wasn't the same player last year. You have to make the move at some point and I'm not upset that they didn't sign him.

Also, this free agency class isn't that good - why spend money just to spend it?!?!? They made a run at Houshmandzadeh and didn't get him, but there haven't been any really good players at the positions they need, so why overspend for junk?

 

[Vikes Fan]

For as much as the Vikings have been in the papers during Free Agency (Housh and Cutler) they haven't done SQUAT!!!Come on! Give me something!! A left tackle! More CB depth! Another WR! Now a Center! Come on...give me something!(And don't give me any B.S. about Kliensasser. Yes it is good to resign him, but please!!!)

New as a Viking Fan This is the Norm for the past 5 to 10 years.. They tease us each year how they are going to do whatever it takes to improve the team and we end up getting only to end up getting

36 years actually...I thought that things were changing. We have to spend some money to get up to the cap min. Either they should have made a stronger push to get Housh or they bring back Birk.I think Birk will shine in Baltimore. He never fit into Chilly's zone blocking scheme. He needed to pull and be out in front... One more reason why Chilly shows that he cannot adjust. His talent is one-on-one and he forces a zone...

 

[FunkyPlutos]

36 years actually...

I thought that things were changing. We have to spend some money to get up to the cap min. Either they should have made a stronger push to get Housh or they bring back Birk.

I think Birk will shine in Baltimore. He never fit into Chilly's zone blocking scheme. He needed to pull and be out in front... One more reason why Chilly shows that he cannot adjust. His talent is one-on-one and he forces a zone...

Seriously? It is not like the running game was the problem, and a majority of Peterson's losses were because of Birk missing his block.

 

[JMon348]

There's got to be something up there sleeve........right?

Trading up in the draft for Crabtree? trading for Boldin or some other high profile player?

 

[jestertj]

I've said it before: Birk is my favorite all time Viking! But he wasn't the same player last year. You have to make the move at some point and I'm not upset that they didn't sign him.Also, this free agency class isn't that good - why spend money just to spend it?!?!? They made a run at Houshmandzadeh and didn't get him, but there haven't been any really good players at the positions they need, so why overspend for junk?

Hey, ease up on the common sense here. No need to slow down the anger and discontent.

 

[BigJim®]

“The Minnesota Vikings thank Matt for all he did for the organization both on and off the field over the past 11 years,” Childress said. “Matt has done a great job and we wanted him to return to the Vikings in ’09, but at this point Matt wanted a change of scenery. We wish him the best and know that he will always be a part of the Vikings family. We look forward to playing Matt this upcoming season at the Metrodome.”

I'm iffy on whether Birk was worth resiging, but everyone who believes Childress that Matt Birk was looking for a change of scenery, please raise your hand.

 

[Vikes Fan]

36 years actually...

I thought that things were changing. We have to spend some money to get up to the cap min. Either they should have made a stronger push to get Housh or they bring back Birk.

I think Birk will shine in Baltimore. He never fit into Chilly's zone blocking scheme. He needed to pull and be out in front... One more reason why Chilly shows that he cannot adjust. His talent is one-on-one and he forces a zone...

Seriously? It is not like the running game was the problem, and a majority of Peterson's losses were because of Birk missing his block.

When Chilly took this team over, they were a team that went straight ahead and blocked the guy in front, and they were successful. They were league leaders in rushing a couple of years in a row with Bennett, Mo, etc. Birk pulled often. Since Chilly has instituted the zone scheme, McKinney has regressed, Hutch was acquired and didn't look like himself in his first year, Birk seemed out of his element, several right guards have stepped in and out, and the Cook experiment made me wish for the days of Stussie's offsides penalties.

Now, Hutch looks better but that is a testiment to his professionalism. McKinney is good, but not great. We lose Birk. We need to replace Cook. They would love a RG if one fell in their lap, but if not will start AH.

So all in all, I am blaming the system that is in place. Chilly can't adjust to his player's strengths.. Is zone better than man to man? Maybe...I don't know. But what I do know is that Birk and even McKinney were better in the man system. So, long story longer...yes, I think Birk will be great for the Ravens, and we will miss his professionalism and leadership on the o-line.

(I have no link, but didn't ADP comment at some point last year that he feels more comfortable running in a man blocking scheme?)

Don't get me started on the other kinds of adjustments Chilly doesn't do well - halftime.

 

[Donnybrook]

So far, the Vikings special teams have gone from bad to none exsistent.

They released Maurice Hicks and Vinne Curciu (OK I will buy that this is addition by subtraction). However, Heath Farwell is also unrestricted and going to meet with the Browns.

I hope they have a plan to fix the weekest part of their team soon.

 

[Vikes Fan]

“The Minnesota Vikings thank Matt for all he did for the organization both on and off the field over the past 11 years,” Childress said. “Matt has done a great job and we wanted him to return to the Vikings in ’09, but at this point Matt wanted a change of scenery. We wish him the best and know that he will always be a part of the Vikings family. We look forward to playing Matt this upcoming season at the Metrodome.”

I'm iffy on whether Birk was worth resiging, but everyone who believes Childress that Matt Birk was looking for a change of scenery, please raise your hand.

 

[whole-show]

OK I must bring it up...although he is a cancer do the Vikes try to get (It's All About ME) TO for a year or 2...Just kind of sounds like a good idea since he usually is not all about me for the 1st year or 2 and it would be nice to help us out...

 

[Mcnabbfan]

OK I must bring it up...although he is a cancer do the Vikes try to get (It's All About ME) TO for a year or 2...Just kind of sounds like a good idea since he usually is not all about me for the 1st year or 2 and it would be nice to help us out...

Won't happen. Childress was the O-Coordinator in Philly where reports stated TO disrespected him. Definitely don't see this as an option.

 

[grandmaster192]

Torry Holt has asked for his release.

I think if he's released, the 32-year-old becomes easily the best WR in free agency. What would you guys think about him coming here to MN? I still believe he's better than TJ and TO, but this is probably just my bias talking.

 

[encaitar]

Torry Holt has asked for his release.I think if he's released, the 32-year-old becomes easily the best WR in free agency. What would you guys think about him coming here to MN? I still believe he's better than TJ and TO, but this is probably just my bias talking.

I think his talent would be about the same as TJ at this point and less than that of TO. However I would much rather have him than TO since he's much more of a professional on and off the field. I still have trouble believing St. Louis will just cut him though.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think Holt would be a great guy to come here for a year or two.

 

[mozzy84]

“The Minnesota Vikings thank Matt for all he did for the organization both on and off the field over the past 11 years,” Childress said. “Matt has done a great job and we wanted him to return to the Vikings in ’09, but at this point Matt wanted a change of scenery. We wish him the best and know that he will always be a part of the Vikings family. We look forward to playing Matt this upcoming season at the Metrodome.”

I'm iffy on whether Birk was worth resiging, but everyone who believes Childress that Matt Birk was looking for a change of scenery, please raise your hand.

he wanted some scenery where he didn't have to look at childress. I can't really blame him...

 

[JMon348]

Since Chilly has instituted the zone scheme, McKinney has regressed, Hutch was acquired and didn't look like himself in his first year, Birk seemed out of his element, several right guards have stepped in and out, and the Cook experiment made me wish for the days of Stussie's offsides penalties.

False start, offense, number seventy three, five yard penalty, repeat _____ down.That is stamped in my brain.

 

[Vikes Fan]

I think Holt would be a great guy to come here for a year or two.

Didn't Holt have an argument with Chilly during a game a couple of years ago on the sideline? Think Chilly would be able to get past that? How about Holt?

 

[whole-show]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true

I know it means nothing but thought it was interesting especially this..

Not to be overlooked, Owens has a very good relationship with Vikings receivers coach George Stewart. In fact, Stewart is one of the few people Owens' sincerely trusts. Stewart was Owens' receivers coach in San Francisco, where Owens went to the Pro Bowl three times. More importantly to Stewart, they developed a bond that is still intact.

 

[grandmaster192]

I think Holt would be a great guy to come here for a year or two.

Didn't Holt have an argument with Chilly during a game a couple of years ago on the sideline? Think Chilly would be able to get past that? How about Holt?

Childress is going to have to get past a lot of things if he wants to make something out of this team.Torry Holt, TJ, and TO have been sitting around waiting to be had. You have to at least bring one of these guys in to address the the teams need for a legit 1# WR that can move the chains. Who better to do that than Torry Holt? He's exactly what this teams at WR.

 

[ScottyFargo]

http://blogs.twincities.com/Vikings/2009/0...eal_with_v.html

Farwell finalizing deal with Vikings

After flirting with other teams, Heath Farwell is returning to the Minnesota Vikings.

Farwell has agreed to terms on a multi-year contract to resume his career with the Vikings.Terms of the deal are not known at this time.

His re-signing is significant for the Vikings, because he provides quality depth at linebacker and, more importantly, leadership on special teams. He led the team in special teams in both 2006 and 2007.

And, despite double teams, Farwell still made plays.

Farwell made free-agent visits with the New England Patriots and Cleveland Browns.

Vikings vice president Rick Spielman said the team started negotiations with Farwell’s agent, Bruce Tollner, Thursday night.

“Hopefully, he’ll get resolved here one way or another,” Spielman said earlier today. “We’re doing our best effort to try to keep Heath here."

That's a relief. I hope he plays up to his old form despite the injury, and I hope we aren't done working on ST.

 

[Vikes Fan]

Did anyone listen to Speilman on KFAN this morning? Anything of note? Is it worth podcasting?

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

I"m not sure why someone like Holt would want to come here. We'll always be a run first team with AP here. He'd be better off going somewhere like Miami or Jacksonville that need a WR and that would give them a more balanced attack.

One thing that I sort of have a concern over is why our beloved Vikings haven't picked up someone by now. Over the last few years, we'd splashed into the free agency pool head first and jumped on players. All we've done so far is re-sign a few and trade for Sage. Could it be with the monies that we have to spend, we are looking at a possible trade as our big move? We still are way under the cap and there really isn't a lot of talent available to help us, besides a 3rd CB type or some OL help.

 

[Tecmo]

I know he's old, but why aren't the Vikings showing any interest in Jeff Garcia? Seems like a perfect fit to me for Chilly's offense. Put him behind an running game and watch his efficient style wreck havoc. maybe it's just me, i dunno?

 

[ScottyFargo]

I"m not sure why someone like Holt would want to come here. We'll always be a run first team with AP here. He'd be better off going somewhere like Miami or Jacksonville that need a WR and that would give them a more balanced attack.One thing that I sort of have a concern over is why our beloved Vikings haven't picked up someone by now. Over the last few years, we'd splashed into the free agency pool head first and jumped on players. All we've done so far is re-sign a few and trade for Sage. Could it be with the monies that we have to spend, we are looking at a possible trade as our big move? We still are way under the cap and there really isn't a lot of talent available to help us, besides a 3rd CB type or some OL help.

Good points, but the Vikings have also done a few important things like resigning talent that they must believe in (I am not in love with Bennie Sapp and his penalties, and I think we should have gone after some more elite talent, but I digress). They showed they'd go after a guy hard if he filled a role (Houshmandzadeh) but at the same point they didn't appear to be too interested in Coles or T.O. because, I assume, they weren't the type they wanted for the offense. Trade could be an option, and they sent out feelers over Cutler so it's not like the head has completely fallen off here.I think the draft is the thing to be excited for right now. They must feel the Vikings are set up pretty well right now and they didn't have to do desperation moves (though I would have liked some more interest in OLmen.) But since Gross didn't make it to FA, they didn't feel a rush to go after guys they didn't hold to as high a designation. The team didn't sign impact players this offseason but they did apparently have a plan. Some players didn't become available and others chose to go elsewhere (Birk, T.J.) I am not too frustrated because the team has been active, just not overall successful.I don't think the Vikings will be trading for Boldin any time soon given last year's trade that cost 3 top draft picks.

 

[Vikes Fan]

I know he's old, but why aren't the Vikings showing any interest in Jeff Garcia? Seems like a perfect fit to me for Chilly's offense. Put him behind an running game and watch his efficient style wreck havoc. maybe it's just me, i dunno?

I think it boils down to tread left on the tires. Garcia really wasn't terrific last year in TB (except against the Vikings of course). He filled in nicely for McNabb in Philly but the years in Cleveland and Detroit were awful! Even the last year in SF was not very good (except for rushing TDs). Lets face it, he really has taken a pounding over his career with his running style and poor OLs he has played with, and has been nicked up the last few seasons. If he were 5-7 years younger, then they would do it, but how many more hits can the guy take? He hasn't played more than 13 games in the last 6 seasons. I think he will sign somewhere but a 1-2 year contract as a backup and then he will quietly retire. Just my opinion...Season Team GP Comp Att Pct Yds TD INT Rating RushAtt Yds TD 2003 San Francisco 49ers 13 225 392 57.4 2704 18 13 80.1 56 319 7 2004 Cleveland Browns 11 144 252 57.1 1731 10 9 76.7 35 169 2 2005 Detroit Lions 6 102 173 59.0 937 3 6 65.1 17 51 1 2006 Philadelphia Eagles 8 116 188 61.7 1309 10 2 95.8 25 87 0 2007 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 13 209 327 63.9 2440 13 4 94.6 35 116 1 2008 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 12 244 376 64.9 2712 12 6 90.2 35 148 1

 

[Tecmo]

I know he's old, but why aren't the Vikings showing any interest in Jeff Garcia? Seems like a perfect fit to me for Chilly's offense. Put him behind an running game and watch his efficient style wreck havoc. maybe it's just me, i dunno?

I think it boils down to tread left on the tires. Garcia really wasn't terrific last year in TB (except against the Vikings of course). He filled in nicely for McNabb in Philly but the years in Cleveland and Detroit were awful! Even the last year in SF was not very good (except for rushing TDs). Lets face it, he really has taken a pounding over his career with his running style and poor OLs he has played with, and has been nicked up the last few seasons. If he were 5-7 years younger, then they would do it, but how many more hits can the guy take? He hasn't played more than 13 games in the last 6 seasons. I think he will sign somewhere but a 1-2 year contract as a backup and then he will quietly retire. Just my opinion...Season Team GP Comp Att Pct Yds TD INT Rating RushAtt Yds TD 2003 San Francisco 49ers 13 225 392 57.4 2704 18 13 80.1 56 319 7 2004 Cleveland Browns 11 144 252 57.1 1731 10 9 76.7 35 169 2 2005 Detroit Lions 6 102 173 59.0 937 3 6 65.1 17 51 1 2006 Philadelphia Eagles 8 116 188 61.7 1309 10 2 95.8 25 87 0 2007 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 13 209 327 63.9 2440 13 4 94.6 35 116 1 2008 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 12 244 376 64.9 2712 12 6 90.2 35 148 1

i see high completion % and barely any interceptions. bring him in for some competition. Garcia would be great insurance if Sage starts throwing too many picks, which he probably will

 

[Vikes Fan]

I know he's old, but why aren't the Vikings showing any interest in Jeff Garcia? Seems like a perfect fit to me for Chilly's offense. Put him behind an running game and watch his efficient style wreck havoc. maybe it's just me, i dunno?

I think it boils down to tread left on the tires. Garcia really wasn't terrific last year in TB (except against the Vikings of course). He filled in nicely for McNabb in Philly but the years in Cleveland and Detroit were awful! Even the last year in SF was not very good (except for rushing TDs). Lets face it, he really has taken a pounding over his career with his running style and poor OLs he has played with, and has been nicked up the last few seasons. If he were 5-7 years younger, then they would do it, but how many more hits can the guy take? He hasn't played more than 13 games in the last 6 seasons. I think he will sign somewhere but a 1-2 year contract as a backup and then he will quietly retire. Just my opinion...Season Team GP Comp Att Pct Yds TD INT Rating RushAtt Yds TD 2003 San Francisco 49ers 13 225 392 57.4 2704 18 13 80.1 56 319 7 2004 Cleveland Browns 11 144 252 57.1 1731 10 9 76.7 35 169 2 2005 Detroit Lions 6 102 173 59.0 937 3 6 65.1 17 51 1 2006 Philadelphia Eagles 8 116 188 61.7 1309 10 2 95.8 25 87 0 2007 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 13 209 327 63.9 2440 13 4 94.6 35 116 1 2008 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 12 244 376 64.9 2712 12 6 90.2 35 148 1

i see high completion % and barely any interceptions. bring him in for some competition. Garcia would be great insurance if Sage starts throwing too many picks, which he probably will

First off, 13 in 13 games in 2003, 9 in 11 games in 04, and 6 in 6 games in 05 is "low"? O.K. I disagree, but O.K.My major point was games played. No more than 13 since 2003. I think they are scared that he would get hurt. (This is what I think the Vikings are thinking...not me.)That being said, I would think it would be the right move to bring him in to compete too, but only if they put the TJax experiment out of its misery. I feel sorry for TJax and the way he has been "groomed" here. They seem to give him a little confidence and then whip the rug out from under him the minute anything happens. Let the poor kid catch on with someone else who might be able to let him perform to his abilities without looking over his shoulder after every pass.

 

[whole-show]

I know he's old, but why aren't the Vikings showing any interest in Jeff Garcia? Seems like a perfect fit to me for Chilly's offense. Put him behind an running game and watch his efficient style wreck havoc. maybe it's just me, i dunno?

I think it boils down to tread left on the tires. Garcia really wasn't terrific last year in TB (except against the Vikings of course). He filled in nicely for McNabb in Philly but the years in Cleveland and Detroit were awful! Even the last year in SF was not very good (except for rushing TDs). Lets face it, he really has taken a pounding over his career with his running style and poor OLs he has played with, and has been nicked up the last few seasons. If he were 5-7 years younger, then they would do it, but how many more hits can the guy take? He hasn't played more than 13 games in the last 6 seasons. I think he will sign somewhere but a 1-2 year contract as a backup and then he will quietly retire. Just my opinion...Season Team GP Comp Att Pct Yds TD INT Rating RushAtt Yds TD

2003 San Francisco 49ers 13 225 392 57.4 2704 18 13 80.1 56 319 7

2004 Cleveland Browns 11 144 252 57.1 1731 10 9 76.7 35 169 2

2005 Detroit Lions 6 102 173 59.0 937 3 6 65.1 17 51 1

2006 Philadelphia Eagles 8 116 188 61.7 1309 10 2 95.8 25 87 0

2007 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 13 209 327 63.9 2440 13 4 94.6 35 116 1

2008 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 12 244 376 64.9 2712 12 6 90.2 35 148 1

i see high completion % and barely any interceptions. bring him in for some competition. Garcia would be great insurance if Sage starts throwing too many picks, which he probably will

First off, 13 in 13 games in 2003, 9 in 11 games in 04, and 6 in 6 games in 05 is "low"? O.K. I disagree, but O.K.My major point was games played. No more than 13 since 2003. I think they are scared that he would get hurt. (This is what I think the Vikings are thinking...not me.)

That being said, I would think it would be the right move to bring him in to compete too, but only if they put the TJax experiment out of its misery. I feel sorry for TJax and the way he has been "groomed" here. They seem to give him a little confidence and then whip the rug out from under him the minute anything happens. Let the poor kid catch on with someone else who might be able to let him perform to his abilities without looking over his shoulder after every pass.

Not to get into this arguement but just want to also comment that yes this is low compared to Sages 07 stats of his starts at 5 and ints at 12 and 08 stats of his starts at 5 and ints at 10 plus 4 fumbles each year in those 5 starts each year...That is just horrid...

 

[whole-show]

To add heck in 04 and 05 he had 1 start in each year with 3 ints in each yearand along with 1 year of 1 fumble and 1 year of 2 fumbles...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Just a quick little blurb from Gil Brandt's pro day blog:

Four offensive linemen who have NFL potential worked out in Norman. Phil Loadholt (6-7 7/8, 332 pounds), Duke Robinson (6-5 1/4, 330 pounds), Jon Cooper (6-2 1/8, 290 pounds) and Brandon Walker (6-2 7/8, 306 pounds) drew three offensive line coaches to the pro day — Detroit’s Pat Morris, Buffalo’s Sean Kugler and Miami’s Dave DeGuglielmo. Vikings head coach Brad Childress and vice president of player personnel Rick Spielman also were there.

 

[Vikes Fan]

I know he's old, but why aren't the Vikings showing any interest in Jeff Garcia? Seems like a perfect fit to me for Chilly's offense. Put him behind an running game and watch his efficient style wreck havoc. maybe it's just me, i dunno?

I think it boils down to tread left on the tires. Garcia really wasn't terrific last year in TB (except against the Vikings of course). He filled in nicely for McNabb in Philly but the years in Cleveland and Detroit were awful! Even the last year in SF was not very good (except for rushing TDs). Lets face it, he really has taken a pounding over his career with his running style and poor OLs he has played with, and has been nicked up the last few seasons. If he were 5-7 years younger, then they would do it, but how many more hits can the guy take? He hasn't played more than 13 games in the last 6 seasons. I think he will sign somewhere but a 1-2 year contract as a backup and then he will quietly retire. Just my opinion...Season Team GP Comp Att Pct Yds TD INT Rating RushAtt Yds TD

2003 San Francisco 49ers 13 225 392 57.4 2704 18 13 80.1 56 319 7

2004 Cleveland Browns 11 144 252 57.1 1731 10 9 76.7 35 169 2

2005 Detroit Lions 6 102 173 59.0 937 3 6 65.1 17 51 1

2006 Philadelphia Eagles 8 116 188 61.7 1309 10 2 95.8 25 87 0

2007 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 13 209 327 63.9 2440 13 4 94.6 35 116 1

2008 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 12 244 376 64.9 2712 12 6 90.2 35 148 1

i see high completion % and barely any interceptions. bring him in for some competition. Garcia would be great insurance if Sage starts throwing too many picks, which he probably will

First off, 13 in 13 games in 2003, 9 in 11 games in 04, and 6 in 6 games in 05 is "low"? O.K. I disagree, but O.K.My major point was games played. No more than 13 since 2003. I think they are scared that he would get hurt. (This is what I think the Vikings are thinking...not me.)

That being said, I would think it would be the right move to bring him in to compete too, but only if they put the TJax experiment out of its misery. I feel sorry for TJax and the way he has been "groomed" here. They seem to give him a little confidence and then whip the rug out from under him the minute anything happens. Let the poor kid catch on with someone else who might be able to let him perform to his abilities without looking over his shoulder after every pass.

Not to get into this arguement but just want to also comment that yes this is low compared to Sages 07 stats of his starts at 5 and ints at 12 and 08 stats of his starts at 5 and ints at 10 plus 4 fumbles each year in those 5 starts each year...That is just horrid...

I am not arguing, and I was not comparing the stats for Sage and Garcia. All I said is that I didn't think Garcia's interception totals were low. I never said that he was worse or better than what we have in Sage. I would not make that arguement!Secondly, you have to give a player who has never started more than 5 games in a season before a little rope. The numbers you are pulling from are from a handful of games. You don't really know how that is going to translate to a full season. I agree that Sage has been turnover prone and he takes too many chances, BUT isn't that what a good and competitive guy in a backup role does? You ultimately want to prove to everyone - fans, coaches, etc. - that you can lead the team and be amazing. That gunslinger mentality is what gets these guys starting gigs. The best backups take the opportunity and prove it and run with it. Sage has not done that but he has tried...so lets see what happens when he has the opportunity to really run with the starter's job.

I have no idea if Sage can or will be great, but I am willing to let him give it a shot. After watching Holcomb, Bollinger, Brad Johnson, and TJax do it, why not. I am already sick to my stomach from those guys...

 

[encaitar]

Just a quick little blurb from Gil Brandt's pro day blog:

Four offensive linemen who have NFL potential worked out in Norman. Phil Loadholt (6-7 7/8, 332 pounds), Duke Robinson (6-5 1/4, 330 pounds), Jon Cooper (6-2 1/8, 290 pounds) and Brandon Walker (6-2 7/8, 306 pounds) drew three offensive line coaches to the pro day — Detroit's Pat Morris, Buffalo's Sean Kugler and Miami's Dave DeGuglielmo. Vikings head coach Brad Childress and vice president of player personnel Rick Spielman also were there.

Wow, both Loadholt and Robinson have been projected as early as the late first. Maybe the Vikings are toying with the idea of moving back and grabbing one of those two? It's pretty telling that both Childress and Spielman were there.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Just a quick little blurb from Gil Brandt's pro day blog:

Four offensive linemen who have NFL potential worked out in Norman. Phil Loadholt (6-7 7/8, 332 pounds), Duke Robinson (6-5 1/4, 330 pounds), Jon Cooper (6-2 1/8, 290 pounds) and Brandon Walker (6-2 7/8, 306 pounds) drew three offensive line coaches to the pro day — Detroit's Pat Morris, Buffalo's Sean Kugler and Miami's Dave DeGuglielmo. Vikings head coach Brad Childress and vice president of player personnel Rick Spielman also were there.

Wow, both Loadholt and Robinson have been projected as early as the late first. Maybe the Vikings are toying with the idea of moving back and grabbing one of those two? It's pretty telling that both Childress and Spielman were there.

Was it just linemen or was it a pro day? Iglesias could be on the radar as well, but not sure what type of a workout it was. I hope they take Loadholt - I'd like to get him with the 2nd rounder, but don't think he'll make it that long.

 

[encaitar]

Just a quick little blurb from Gil Brandt's pro day blog:

Four offensive linemen who have NFL potential worked out in Norman. Phil Loadholt (6-7 7/8, 332 pounds), Duke Robinson (6-5 1/4, 330 pounds), Jon Cooper (6-2 1/8, 290 pounds) and Brandon Walker (6-2 7/8, 306 pounds) drew three offensive line coaches to the pro day — Detroit's Pat Morris, Buffalo's Sean Kugler and Miami's Dave DeGuglielmo. Vikings head coach Brad Childress and vice president of player personnel Rick Spielman also were there.

Wow, both Loadholt and Robinson have been projected as early as the late first. Maybe the Vikings are toying with the idea of moving back and grabbing one of those two? It's pretty telling that both Childress and Spielman were there.

Was it just linemen or was it a pro day? Iglesias could be on the radar as well, but not sure what type of a workout it was. I hope they take Loadholt - I'd like to get him with the 2nd rounder, but don't think he'll make it that long.

I agree. I'm hoping someone valuable(that they don't need) falls and they find themselves a good trading partner to trade down with. If they end up missing out on Loadholt, then I'm hoping they can pick up Alex Boone late in the draft. He'd probably be a first day pick if it weren't for the alcohol problems and he's supposedly working on that. Plus, the Vikings have someone who could give him great encouragement in that category(Allen).

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

Just a quick little blurb from Gil Brandt's pro day blog:

Four offensive linemen who have NFL potential worked out in Norman. Phil Loadholt (6-7 7/8, 332 pounds), Duke Robinson (6-5 1/4, 330 pounds), Jon Cooper (6-2 1/8, 290 pounds) and Brandon Walker (6-2 7/8, 306 pounds) drew three offensive line coaches to the pro day — Detroit's Pat Morris, Buffalo's Sean Kugler and Miami's Dave DeGuglielmo. Vikings head coach Brad Childress and vice president of player personnel Rick Spielman also were there.

Wow, both Loadholt and Robinson have been projected as early as the late first. Maybe the Vikings are toying with the idea of moving back and grabbing one of those two? It's pretty telling that both Childress and Spielman were there.

Was it just linemen or was it a pro day? Iglesias could be on the radar as well, but not sure what type of a workout it was. I hope they take Loadholt - I'd like to get him with the 2nd rounder, but don't think he'll make it that long.

I do believe it was their Pro Day but I'm not 95% certain. I thought I heard that both of these linemen should go early to mid 2nd meaning if they struggled some here they could slide to the mid to late 2nd meaning we'd have a very good chance of picking them up. You'd think if AP wants either of them, then listen to AP, since they are former teammates of us.As for the QB issue, I wonder if Spielman has interest in USC' Sanchez with our 1st rounder...hmmm.....or go safe and nab Darius Butler from U Conn. Players that I DO NOT want us to grab are Cushing who I have to agree with all the nutrients that the guy takes and from what I've seen from NFL Network, I'll pass. I think he has peaked as high as he can go, so he won't be a stud in the Pro's....also Andre Smith from 'bama as well as I PASS.

FYI... now this I'm 100% certain that on THE Network's "Path to the Draft", we should be on MONDAY'S (March 16th's) show.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Just a quick little blurb from Gil Brandt's pro day blog:

Four offensive linemen who have NFL potential worked out in Norman. Phil Loadholt (6-7 7/8, 332 pounds), Duke Robinson (6-5 1/4, 330 pounds), Jon Cooper (6-2 1/8, 290 pounds) and Brandon Walker (6-2 7/8, 306 pounds) drew three offensive line coaches to the pro day — Detroit's Pat Morris, Buffalo's Sean Kugler and Miami's Dave DeGuglielmo. Vikings head coach Brad Childress and vice president of player personnel Rick Spielman also were there.

Wow, both Loadholt and Robinson have been projected as early as the late first. Maybe the Vikings are toying with the idea of moving back and grabbing one of those two? It's pretty telling that both Childress and Spielman were there.

Was it just linemen or was it a pro day?

Iglesias could be on the radar as well, but not sure what type of a workout it was. I hope they take Loadholt - I'd like to get him with the 2nd rounder, but don't think he'll make it that long.

I do believe it was their Pro Day but I'm not 95% certain. I thought I heard that both of these linemen should go early to mid 2nd meaning if they struggled some here they could slide to the mid to late 2nd meaning we'd have a very good chance of picking them up. You'd think if AP wants either of them, then listen to AP, since they are former teammates of us.As for the QB issue, I wonder if Spielman has interest in USC' Sanchez with our 1st rounder...hmmm.....or go safe and nab Darius Butler from U Conn. Players that I DO NOT want us to grab are Cushing who I have to agree with all the nutrients that the guy takes and from what I've seen from NFL Network, I'll pass. I think he has peaked as high as he can go, so he won't be a stud in the Pro's....also Andre Smith from 'bama as well as I PASS.

FYI... now this I'm 100% certain that on THE Network's "Path to the Draft", we should be on MONDAY'S (March 16th's) show.

it was OU's pro day. Here is a link to an OU site for all of the numbers: http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footb.../031009aaa.html

 

[ScottyFargo]

Torry Holt-WR-Rams Mar. 13 - 10:57 pm et

According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Vikings are not believed to have interest in Torry Holt.

The Vikes chased T.J. Houshmandzadeh and are looking for an upgrade opposite Bernard Berrian. Holt, however, has long played in a different system and may not be a good fit for Brad Childress' West Coast offense.

Source: Minneapolis Star Tribune

Related: Vikings

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Torry Holt-WR-Rams Mar. 13 - 10:57 pm et

According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Vikings are not believed to have interest in Torry Holt.

The Vikes chased T.J. Houshmandzadeh and are looking for an upgrade opposite Bernard Berrian. Holt, however, has long played in a different system and may not be a good fit for Brad Childress' West Coast offense.

Source: Minneapolis Star Tribune

Related: Vikings

Yes. I can see where his 100+ catches and 1000+ yards and 10+ tds per season would have no place in Brad Chilldress' Kick ### offense.

 

[Norseman]

Torry Holt-WR-Rams Mar. 13 - 10:57 pm et

According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Vikings are not believed to have interest in Torry Holt.

The Vikes chased T.J. Houshmandzadeh and are looking for an upgrade opposite Bernard Berrian. Holt, however, has long played in a different system and may not be a good fit for Brad Childress' West Coast offense.

Source: Minneapolis Star Tribune

Related: Vikings

Yes. I can see where his 100+ catches and 1000+ yards and 10+ tds per season would have no place in Brad Chilldress' Kick ### offense.

AD strikes again

 

[mozzy84]

Torry Holt-WR-Rams Mar. 13 - 10:57 pm et

According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Vikings are not believed to have interest in Torry Holt.

The Vikes chased T.J. Houshmandzadeh and are looking for an upgrade opposite Bernard Berrian. Holt, however, has long played in a different system and may not be a good fit for Brad Childress' West Coast offense.

Source: Minneapolis Star Tribune

Related: Vikings

 

[ScottyFargo]

Torry Holt-WR-Rams Mar. 13 - 10:57 pm et

According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Vikings are not believed to have interest in Torry Holt.

The Vikes chased T.J. Houshmandzadeh and are looking for an upgrade opposite Bernard Berrian. Holt, however, has long played in a different system and may not be a good fit for Brad Childress' West Coast offense.

Source: Minneapolis Star Tribune

Related: Vikings

It's kind of early, it could change, but it doesn't surprise me. I would like to see him as a Viking, but it would constitute a change in offensive scheme. TJ, though not playing in the same kind of system previously, would have filled the role of fast out / reliable 3rd down reciever that would improve upon Wade's position. I think Holt doesn't fit as perfectly into that role, and I don't think Childress and Bevell are willing to alter their scheme to benefit from a reciever like Holt.Which is ridiculous because our passing attack has been so poor that it's shameful.

 

[Vikes Fan]

Torry Holt-WR-Rams Mar. 13 - 10:57 pm et

According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Vikings are not believed to have interest in Torry Holt.

The Vikes chased T.J. Houshmandzadeh and are looking for an upgrade opposite Bernard Berrian. Holt, however, has long played in a different system and may not be a good fit for Brad Childress' West Coast offense.

Source: Minneapolis Star Tribune

Related: Vikings

It's kind of early, it could change, but it doesn't surprise me. I would like to see him as a Viking, but it would constitute a change in offensive scheme. TJ, though not playing in the same kind of system previously, would have filled the role of fast out / reliable 3rd down reciever that would improve upon Wade's position. I think Holt doesn't fit as perfectly into that role, and I don't think Childress and Bevell are willing to alter their scheme to benefit from a reciever like Holt.Which is ridiculous because our passing attack has been so poor that it's shameful.

Really?!?! Your kidding! Chiily not willing to change his scheme! I can't imagine that!!! :(

 

[HeirCoryell]

Is it just my imagination or does Childress not want any offensive skill players who have ever performed at a high level or at least been part of a top notch offense with a previous team? I think he knows his system is trash and wants: 1. Players who are young like Peterson, Rice, and Tarvaris who don't know any better and thus can't compare and complain. 2. Players like Berrian and Shiancoe who came from weak offenses and wanted a big paycheck and were happy to get it. They are not likely to cause problems. 3. Players who are just happy to have a job like Bollinger, Holcomb, and Frerotte. It sounds like like Sage is a competitor so let's hope he can be a spark.

 

[Donnybrook]

Other teams, including the Giants, Jets and Eagles, are not interested in Holt according to team sources.

The Star Tribune report, on the other hand, looks like ideal speculation from a reporter. I am sure a receiver of Holts talent and experience can adapt to the west coast offense.

 

[TommyKramer]

Regarding Cutler -

If Cutler were available in the '09 draft, I think that he would be the hands down #1 pick. He was already a 1st round pick and he has proved that he can hold his own - plus he's still young and just scratching the surface on his potential. Also, QBs always go higher than other positions. Due to this, he would go 1st.

With that said, what would it take for the Vikes to trade up to the #1 pick?

#1 overall pick is worth 3,000

The Vikes would have to trade:

#22 overall - 780 points

2nd round pick - worth around 350

3rd round pick - worth around 160

4th round pick - worth around 60

That is not nearly enough ammo to move up that far.

And I would argue that Cutler is worth more than the #1 overall because of his contract. This is huge. We wouldn't have to pay him #1 money - big deal.

So, what would he be worth to us?

According to this, he's worth more than our entire draft. Now, you can agree/disagree on if you like him or not, but IMO he is worth it.

So, if we could get him for our #1, #3, next years #2 and a player(s) I would jump all over it and just sit back and smile. Franchise QB for the next 10 years.

If he ends up getting traded and we don't have our hat in the ring, I will be seriously pissed. Now, if he goes to a team such as Cleveland that kicks them back a young QB then I can understand. But, if it goes for picks and a mediocre QB, well that's not good.

I'm not saying that he's going to be traded - I still highly doubt it because the Broncos know his value as well. Hopefully, they've pissed Cutler off to the point that there is no return.

Childress/Spielman - please make it happen.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Regarding Cutler - If Cutler were available in the '09 draft, I think that he would be the hands down #1 pick. He was already a 1st round pick and he has proved that he can hold his own - plus he's still young and just scratching the surface on his potential. Also, QBs always go higher than other positions. Due to this, he would go 1st.With that said, what would it take for the Vikes to trade up to the #1 pick?#1 overall pick is worth 3,000The Vikes would have to trade:#22 overall - 780 points2nd round pick - worth around 3503rd round pick - worth around 1604th round pick - worth around 60That is not nearly enough ammo to move up that far.And I would argue that Cutler is worth more than the #1 overall because of his contract. This is huge. We wouldn't have to pay him #1 money - big deal.So, what would he be worth to us?According to this, he's worth more than our entire draft. Now, you can agree/disagree on if you like him or not, but IMO he is worth it.So, if we could get him for our #1, #3, next years #2 and a player(s) I would jump all over it and just sit back and smile. Franchise QB for the next 10 years.If he ends up getting traded and we don't have our hat in the ring, I will be seriously pissed. Now, if he goes to a team such as Cleveland that kicks them back a young QB then I can understand. But, if it goes for picks and a mediocre QB, well that's not good.I'm not saying that he's going to be traded - I still highly doubt it because the Broncos know his value as well. Hopefully, they've pissed Cutler off to the point that there is no return. Childress/Spielman - please make it happen.

Good post. There really is no underestimating what a top quality QB means for a franchise. By no means is Cutler perfect, but what he could potentially bring, just the potential of having him on the team outweighs two 1st round picks in my opinion. Whether or not Denver ever would trade him is another question altogether, so I am unable to get my hopes up too high on him becoming available, though it gets a little easier with each house related to him in some way gets listed for sale as the weeks go on.

 

[az_prof]

I've said it before: Birk is my favorite all time Viking! But he wasn't the same player last year. You have to make the move at some point and I'm not upset that they didn't sign him.Also, this free agency class isn't that good - why spend money just to spend it?!?!? They made a run at Houshmandzadeh and didn't get him, but there haven't been any really good players at the positions they need, so why overspend for junk?

Hey, ease up on the common sense here. No need to slow down the anger and discontent.

Totally agree if this means that there is more money next year or the year after to sign good FAs. It isn't like the Vikings are run the way the Twins are.

 

[encaitar]

I've said it before: Birk is my favorite all time Viking! But he wasn't the same player last year. You have to make the move at some point and I'm not upset that they didn't sign him.Also, this free agency class isn't that good - why spend money just to spend it?!?!? They made a run at Houshmandzadeh and didn't get him, but there haven't been any really good players at the positions they need, so why overspend for junk?

Hey, ease up on the common sense here. No need to slow down the anger and discontent.

Totally agree if this means that there is more money next year or the year after to sign good FAs. It isn't like the Vikings are run the way the Twins are.

You were napping during the Red McCombs era?