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1) These teams didn't necessarily want McCluster as an RB. They might have selected McCluster as a WR in an earlier iteration, then made some other change to their roster (not noticing that McCluster had moved from WR to RB) and submitted. So while I get that you want to honor the entrants intentions, you may want to confirm with them if possible and if you haven't already.
That's a fair point. 9619 submitted only one legal entry, so Dexter will have to play RB for that team.

I will contact the other two and give them the choice.

 
One other note for database hounds.

101157 is Keith Overton's team.

106098 has been deleted.

Also, there might be a couple of staff entries that are not listed as such. I will keep you posted.

 
Thanks Doug!
Thank you, OC! And Iggy too! And all the other fine individuals who contribute here.This thread is my favorite thing about the NFL season, and I'm dead serious about that. Pretty odd, I realize, but most of the people reading these words understand where I'm coming from.

 
So, anyone that used thefantasystar.com in the past for the FBG35K Gameday Scoring app I wrote, I am going to bring this back this year on a different domain.

Last year I bailed on it because of a number of reasons, but I am bringing it back this year. Here are the details.

The new site will be located at http://ffltools.com/fbg35k and it will be similar as in past years where you sign up for an account on the forum there and you'll be able to "link" your 35k teams with that forum account.

I am not going to turn it on for the general public until sometime next week because I have a few things I am working through still.

Last time I set this up, I was on a shared hosting account so there were some limitations with the processing power, now I've got it on a VPS and I'll be able to do a little more with the data, namely I will be adding (current) owned percentages on your team pages and also plan on being able to have a pretty close to exact cut line after each group of games have played on Sunday, then again on Monday.

Looking forward to this contest as always, thanks for putting it on FBG!!
Thank you very much for doing this. I am registered and cannot wait for this to go live.

Awesome.

 
This thread is my favorite thing about the NFL season, and I'm dead serious about that. Pretty odd, I realize, but most of the people reading these words understand where I'm coming from.
:thumbup:My love for this contest and its annual thread are perhaps best evinced by the fact that I was eliminated in like week 3 last year and still managed to post in the thread pretty much every day all season long. :bag: :nerd:
 
This thread is my favorite thing about the NFL season, and I'm dead serious about that. Pretty odd, I realize, but most of the people reading these words understand where I'm coming from.
:thumbup:My love for this contest and its annual thread are perhaps best evinced by the fact that I was eliminated in like week 3 last year and still managed to post in the thread pretty much every day all season long. :bag: :nerd:
:thumup: agreed - this is always a fun thread :) While there's still a huge 18-player rooster bias, it seems as though a fair number of folks have started to migrate towards the larger roosters (at least compared to last year).Good luck everyone! :boxing: -QG
 
This thread is my favorite thing about the NFL season, and I'm dead serious about that. Pretty odd, I realize, but most of the people reading these words understand where I'm coming from.
:thumbup:My love for this contest and its annual thread are perhaps best evinced by the fact that I was eliminated in like week 3 last year and still managed to post in the thread pretty much every day all season long. :bag: :nerd:
:thumup: agreed - this is always a fun thread :) While there's still a huge 18-player rooster bias, it seems as though a fair number of folks have started to migrate towards the larger roosters (at least compared to last year).Good luck everyone! :boxing: -QG
After all of the 30 vs. 18 man roster talk last year I was stunned to see it was still so lopsided. I ended up with 28 at the last moment. I just thought I had too many high risk guys. I'll be monitoring some of the defenses and Massaqoi/Shipley vs. Jordy Nelson this season to see if I made the right choice.
 
This thread is my favorite thing about the NFL season, and I'm dead serious about that. Pretty odd, I realize, but most of the people reading these words understand where I'm coming from.
:thumbup:My love for this contest and its annual thread are perhaps best evinced by the fact that I was eliminated in like week 3 last year and still managed to post in the thread pretty much every day all season long. :bag: :nerd:
:thumup: agreed - this is always a fun thread :) While there's still a huge 18-player rooster bias, it seems as though a fair number of folks have started to migrate towards the larger roosters (at least compared to last year).Good luck everyone! :boxing: -QG
After all of the 30 vs. 18 man roster talk last year I was stunned to see it was still so lopsided. I ended up with 28 at the last moment. I just thought I had too many high risk guys. I'll be monitoring some of the defenses and Massaqoi/Shipley vs. Jordy Nelson this season to see if I made the right choice.
Following "woulda-shoulda-coulda" teams sounds dangerous. But alas I think I might do the same. :unsure: I had a 30 man team that I liked and then blew it up last second for less risk guys and ended up going with a 24 man team. So I will be following that 30 man squad offline as well. Who knew this thing was so addicting? :bag:
 
Before I post my team, I just wanted to point out a couple of things. Last year I went with 2 QB's and 2 TE's, the lesson I learned from last year was to have more QB's and TE's this year because I was down to relying on 1 player at each position after Tony Romo and Dallas Clark went down for the season. I did manage to last until Week #10.

Here is my team:

QB - Philip Rivers - SD/6 - $24

QB - Mark Sanchez - NYJ/8 - $14

QB - Blaine Gabbert - JAX/9 - $7

Originally started out having Roethlisberger, I think he'll have more points than River, but I wanted to shift some of the money invested in Big Ben to other areas so went with Rivers. I also originally had Colt McCoy as my 3rd cheap QB, but when Garrard got released I picked up Gabbert because he's cheaper and I expect him to be playing late in the season, the $3 saved on Gabbert vs McCoy allowed me to pick up another kicker.

RB - LeGarrette Blount - TB/8 - $25

RB - Joseph Addai - IND/11 - $20

RB - Tim Hightower - WAS/5 - $14

RB - Danny Woodhead - NE/7 - $10

RB - Marion Barber - CHI/8 - $3

RB - Isaac Redman - PIT/11 - $2

Was originally going to go with a stud RB in Mendenhall but decided to go cheaper and pick up more players. I think Tim Hightower is going to be that value pick in the RB class that everyone is looking for. Obviously with Barber & Redman, just hoping to hit the jackpot.

WR - Andre Johnson - HOU/11 - $33

WR - Wes Welker - NE/7 - $23

WR - Mike Sims-Walker - STL/5 - $11

WR - Earl Bennett - CHI/8 - $8

WR - Eric Decker - DEN/6 - $6

WR - Denarius Moore - OAK/8 - $3

WR - Dexter McCluster - KC/6 - $2

Wanted to have a stud WR and a bunch of players with the potential to put up big points here and there. I think Welker is undervalued at his price, Sims-Walker & Bennett could be value picks, bought the pre-season hype on Moore which I'm sure a lot of people have, and trying to hit home runs with Mooore & McCluster.

TE - Marcedes Lewis - JAX/9 - $18

TE - Heath Miller - PIT/11 - $9

TE - Dennis Pitta - BAL/5 - $2

I think Lewis will be the lone solid performer in the Jags passing game, Miller gives me a peice of the Big Ben passing game, should get a few TDs. Made sure to get 3 TE's this year.

PK - Neil Rackers - HOU/11 - $5

PK - Josh Brown - STL/5 - $3

PK - Connor Barth - TB/8 - $3

TD - Houston Texans - HOU/11 - $3

TD - Jacksonville Jaguars - JAX/9 - $2

Basically went cheap on the Kicker and Defence, just wanted to make sure I got 3 kickers.

 
Dang, sounds like -1 already with Amendola.
Yep that is a big blow already
Now they're saying dislocated elbow, so still not good, but at least not as disastrous as it initially sounded.Of course now Bradford is out with an apparent hand issue, so still plenty of angst to go around for those of us who invested in the Rams O in this contest.
 
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Dang, sounds like -1 already with Amendola.
Yep that is a big blow already
Is he out for the year?Here is a breakdown of Amendola ownership:
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Pos	RostersWR-1	4WR-2	26WR-3	210WR-4	939WR-5	983WR-6	342WR-7	60WR-8	11WR-11	1
Still not looking great - from nfl.com:UPDATE: It turns out Amendola’s injury was serious, but it’s an elbow injury. The Rams announced Amendola suffered a dislocated left elbow and he won’t return to the game. His season could be in jeopardy.
 
Dang, sounds like -1 already with Amendola.
Yep that is a big blow already
Is he out for the year?Here is a breakdown of Amendola ownership:

Pos RostersWR-1 4WR-2 26WR-3 210WR-4 939WR-5 983WR-6 342WR-7 60WR-8 11WR-11 1
Still not looking great - from nfl.com:UPDATE: It turns out Amendola’s injury was serious, but it’s an elbow injury. The Rams announced Amendola suffered a dislocated left elbow and he won’t return to the game. His season could be in jeopardy.
Yeah I had Amendola as well... A dislocated elbow can vary in the time it takes to heal depending on the severity. Pessimistically, it looks like 6-12 weeks of rehabbing according to a Sport Science Orthopedic Clinic. So possibly as little as 4 games but as many 12. Any word on what was Bradford's injury?

 
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Dang, sounds like -1 already with Amendola.
Yep that is a big blow already
Is he out for the year?Here is a breakdown of Amendola ownership:

Pos RostersWR-1 4WR-2 26WR-3 210WR-4 939WR-5 983WR-6 342WR-7 60WR-8 11WR-11 1
Still not looking great - from nfl.com:UPDATE: It turns out Amendola’s injury was serious, but it’s an elbow injury. The Rams announced Amendola suffered a dislocated left elbow and he won’t return to the game. His season could be in jeopardy.
Yeah I had Amendola as well... A dislocated elbow can vary in the time it takes to heal depending on the severity. Pessimistically, it looks like 6-12 weeks of rehabbing according to a Sport Science Orthopedic Clinic. So possibly as little as 4 games but as many 12. Any word on what was Bradford's injury?
NFL.com latest update:UPDATE: Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo told reporters during his postgame news conference that Bradford “banged” his index finger, but it isn’t broken. Spagnuolo said Amendola will have an MRI exam on his injured elbow, and the team would know more about Jackson’s quad injury Monday. Spagnuolo also categorized Smith’s injury as a “high” ankle injury.

 
Here is a breakdown of Amendola ownership:

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Pos	RostersWR-1	4WR-2	26WR-3	210WR-4	939WR-5	983WR-6	342WR-7	60WR-8	11WR-11	1
What's the number on the left?Is that total WRs? As in, there are 4 rosters who only took 1 WR, and it was Amendola?If so, I guess that bottom one is me. I have 11 WR and own Amendola.
 
'LittlePhatty said:
'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
Here is a breakdown of Amendola ownership:

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Pos	RostersWR-1	4WR-2	26WR-3	210WR-4	939WR-5	983WR-6	342WR-7	60WR-8	11WR-11	1
What's the number on the left?Is that total WRs? As in, there are 4 rosters who only took 1 WR, and it was Amendola?If so, I guess that bottom one is me. I have 11 WR and own Amendola.
That is the rank of Amendola amongst the teams WR's. As in there are 4 teams that have Amendola as their most expensive WR, 26 teams that have him as their 2nd most expensive WR, etc.
 
'LittlePhatty said:
'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
Here is a breakdown of Amendola ownership:

Code:
Pos	RostersWR-1	4WR-2	26WR-3	210WR-4	939WR-5	983WR-6	342WR-7	60WR-8	11WR-11	1
What's the number on the left?Is that total WRs? As in, there are 4 rosters who only took 1 WR, and it was Amendola?If so, I guess that bottom one is me. I have 11 WR and own Amendola.
That is the rank of Amendola amongst the teams WR's. As in there are 4 teams that have Amendola as their most expensive WR, 26 teams that have him as their 2nd most expensive WR, etc.
:goodposting:
 
A little late to the party, but here is my roster. I will also echo, that I am addicted to this thread every year.

QUARTERBACK (2) $38

Matt Schaub $20

Matthew Stafford $18

I have always selected 3 qbs but it just did not work out this year. I worked out a number of different combos in my head, and eventually settled on Schaub and Stafford. Yes, both are injury prone, which concerns me a little, but they are also capable of big weeks.

Running Back (8) $79

Ray Rice $35

Beanie Wells $16

Tim Hightower $14

Montario Hardesty $4

Deji Karim $3

Ben Tate $3

Isaac Redmon $2

Taiwan Jones $2

Rice was the only player that was a constant in all my different lineups. Thought Hightower and Wells were too good of values to pass up. Last year, I took a flier on Brandon Jackson, just in case Ryan Grant got hurt. Well, Grant got hurt, Grant had his opportunity, and he was horrific. But I liked the thought this year of taking 4 or 5 cheap backs who I think could contribute (some significantly) if the starter in front of them goes down.

Wide Receiver (8) $88

Larry Fitzgerald $28

Brandon Marshall $24

Mario Manningham $19

Bernard Berrian $5

Mohamed Massaquoi $4

Antonio Brown $3

Legedu Naanee $3

Dexter McCluster $2

I did not have 1 stud receiver last year and I think that was my biggest downfall. I decided to get 2 studs, and felt Fitzgerald and Marshall offered the best value. I like Manningham's upside, and I hop that Berrian, Massaquoi, and McCluster, will have a couple good games each. Antonio Brown just needs opportunity.

Tight End (3) $31

Jimmy Graham $15

Aaron Hernandez $10

Lance Kendricks $6

I am really high on graham, so he was a no brainer. I understand that some games, Hernandez is going to put up a goose egg, but he also has the ability to snag 10 passes for 100 yards. Kendricks should have a big role for the Rams as a rookie.

Kicker (4) $8

Rian Lindell $2

Mike Nugent $2

Jay Feely $2

Phil Dawson $2

Strategy was simple, get 4 kickers, at the cheapest price. Oh, and they had to be a starter. Any kicker in the NFL is capable of a huge game.

Defense (3) $6

Bills $2

Broncos $2

Jaguars $2

Similar strategy to kicker. I wanted the cheapest defenses. Worked out perfectly that none shared the same bye week. Any D can have a big week.

 
Tony Romo $25

Ryan Fitzpatrick $13

Alex Smith $10

Tony was a no brainer, and I can't explain it but I feel Ryan F. is gonna be great value at $13. Same with Alex at $10.

Ray Rice $35

Felix Jones $23

LaDainian Tomlinson $12

Tashard Choice $4

Marion Barber $3

Still feel LaDainian will be the goal line back for the Jets(same for MB). I'm betting $4 on Tashard getting traded sometime this year.

Wes Welker $23

Dez Bryant $21

Chad Ochocinco $19

Lee Evans $10

Donald Driver $8

Bernard Berrian $5

Patrick Crayton $2

Looking back at this, not sure what I was thinking when selecting my WR's.

Brandon Pettigrew $11

Visanthe Shiancoe $7

Figure Shaincoe will be a release valve for McNabb.

Mason Crosby $6

Rian Lindell $2

Eh. Kickers.

New York Jets $7

Dallas Cowboys $4

Jets D is a no brainer, and the Dallas D will get the hang of the 'new' D soon enough.

 
'Das Boot said:
'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
'The Real Hipster Doofus said:
'Das Boot said:
Dang, sounds like -1 already with Amendola.
Yep that is a big blow already
Is he out for the year?Here is a breakdown of Amendola ownership:
Code:
Pos	RostersWR-1	4WR-2	26WR-3	210WR-4	939WR-5	983WR-6	342WR-7	60WR-8	11WR-11	1
Still not looking great - from nfl.com:UPDATE: It turns out Amendola’s injury was serious, but it’s an elbow injury. The Rams announced Amendola suffered a dislocated left elbow and he won’t return to the game. His season could be in jeopardy.
Possibly the most painful injury you can have.
 
'Das Boot said:
'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
'The Real Hipster Doofus said:
'Das Boot said:
Dang, sounds like -1 already with Amendola.
Yep that is a big blow already
Is he out for the year?Here is a breakdown of Amendola ownership:

Pos RostersWR-1 4WR-2 26WR-3 210WR-4 939WR-5 983WR-6 342WR-7 60WR-8 11WR-11 1
Still not looking great - from nfl.com:UPDATE: It turns out Amendola’s injury was serious, but it’s an elbow injury. The Rams announced Amendola suffered a dislocated left elbow and he won’t return to the game. His season could be in jeopardy.
Possibly the most painful injury you can have.
Tell me about it, he was my WR5A and I was definitely counting on him for consistent PPR points. :( and it probably was painful for Amendola too. :mellow:

 
'Das Boot said:
'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
'The Real Hipster Doofus said:
'Das Boot said:
Dang, sounds like -1 already with Amendola.
Yep that is a big blow already
Is he out for the year?Here is a breakdown of Amendola ownership:

Pos RostersWR-1 4WR-2 26WR-3 210WR-4 939WR-5 983WR-6 342WR-7 60WR-8 11WR-11 1
Still not looking great - from nfl.com:UPDATE: It turns out Amendola’s injury was serious, but it’s an elbow injury. The Rams announced Amendola suffered a dislocated left elbow and he won’t return to the game. His season could be in jeopardy.
Possibly the most painful injury you can have.
Tell me about it, he was my WR5A and I was definitely counting on him for consistent PPR points. :( and it probably was painful for Amendola too. :mellow:
Yea Amendola is the kind of guy I love in a best ball format. While he won't have monster games, he helps with consistently solid points to cover for the weeks that other guys have duds.
 
Did the ol' hand scoring. By my count I have...

145.55

+ (Brady - 25.05)

+ (D Moore/Plax - 5.10)

+ (D Moore/Plax -13.00)

+ (A Hernandez - 14.00)

+ (Dallas - 12.00)

Oddly enough, ADP does not factor into my scoring at all this week.

-QG

 
'Das Boot said:
Still not looking great - from nfl.com:UPDATE: It turns out Amendola’s injury was serious, but it’s an elbow injury. The Rams announced Amendola suffered a dislocated left elbow and he won’t return to the game. His season could be in jeopardy.
Possibly the most painful injury you can have.
Yup. Just ask Koy Detmer.
 
The chart doesn't mean that you are the only guy with 11 receivers who has Amendola. It means that there is one team where Amendola is their 11th most expensive WR.

-QG

 
Will the points show up tomorrow?

BTW... I warned you guys who I was taking. You should have known to avoid who I play. I am bad luck....

 
Another injury of note is that Chargers K Nate Kaeding Tore ACL in left knee and will be out awhile to say the least. Likely the whole season: http://sdut.us/rsvCIX

Kickers are so rarely injured, I wonder how many people spent big money on Kaeding.

 
Here's an interesting entry. This Guy spent only $225, yet it looks like a serious attempt (that is, they covered all of their bye-week issues. For whatever reason they just decided to leave $25 on the table (perhaps they thought rosters were changeable after week 1?). Anyhow, thought it funny..

On a further note, there were 697 entries that didn't spend the full amount (though 565 of them spend $249 and perhaps they liked their mix as it was and had the $1 leftover without any $1 player to buy).

-QG

 
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29 player roster (had 30 last year)

Tom Brady $27 9.8

Ben Roethlisberger $23 7.3

Decided to go with quality over quantity here. Brady/Rivers was my first thought. After serious consideration, changed Rivers to Big Ben. Ben is truly under rated (ie more likely to be owned by less people), schedule, tremendous depth/speed/talent combo at WR and an opportunistic defense for improved scoring opportunities. Really liked Stafford too, but am very happy with this duo barring injury.

Chris Wells $16 29.1

James Starks $16 6.3

Mike Tolbert $15 9.0

Tim Hightower $14 37.4

Willis McGahee $11 12.2

Derrick Ward $ 3 7.1

Isaac Redman $ 2 10.7

Very happy with the depth here and ownership percentages for Starks and Tolbert. Having the Packers' top RB is money. Surprised so many had Redman. I have no clue why he wasn't used more last season especially in the red zone. He will be special when his time comes. Wells and Hightower were predictably highly owned considering the bang/buck ratio. McGahee should carve out a nice role for himself & produce well at times in this format. Ward was more of a Zag to the main stream Zig of Tate. Very tempted by Reggie Bush, but he is almost destined to break down if featured. New Orleans knew what they were doing with him. Not thrilled with a heavy week 6 BYE concentration, but should be able to survive.

Mike Sims-Walker $11 14.2

Lance Moore $10 19.9

Emmanuel Sanders $ 8 2.9

Nate Burleson $ 8 30.3

Danny Amendola $ 8 23.9

Jordy Nelson $ 7 8.5

Bernard Berrian $ 5 11.3

Antonio Brown $ 3 30.8

Randall Cobb $ 3 4.1

Denarius Moore $ 3 26.5

WR by committee baby! Cheap and effective was the theme. Bye week conflicts at times, but the party atmosphere should compensate if enough picks pan out. Gut instinct was to grab VJax and Dez Bryant; glad I didn't considering the ownership stats after the fact. Conscious decision to keep Emmanuel in the lineup despite Brown's amazing performance. Figured Emmanuel would still be "cheap" and have just as good a chance as Brown any given week. Needed a low ownership % for this play to work and was rewarded with a 2.9

Rob Gronkowski $14 6.0

Owen Daniels $12 25.0

Brandon Pettigrew $11 9.4

Sometimes it's better to take the goods than what appear to be value plays. Had Daniels/Hernandez/Olsen/Kendricks combo set in stone for most of the preseason. Then went the contest thought process...must zag without hurting your team. Gronk should be owned less and have a good opportunity to out produce Hernandez. Pettigrew is a classic non-sexy high quality pick while Olsen and Kendricks are attractive, but over-hyped around these parts. 4 is generally better than 3, but not in this case.

Jay Feely $ 2 23.9

Josh Brown $ 3 21.9

Shaun Suisham $ 3 20.3

Matt Prater $ 3 5.5

Wanted 4 solid kickers. Looks like everyone else has mine too other than Prater. :(

Houston Texans $ 3 18.7

St. Louis Rams $ 3 13.0

Cleveland Browns $ 3 5.8

Like the 3 or 4 team defense strategy. Could have cut some from another position, but decided to roll with this lot. Two week 5 byes. Other positions are strong that week and this combo felt right for some reason. Arizona would have been my 4th, but I preferred to keep Brown/Cobb/Moore & Ward where they are. 4 kickers >>> 4 defenses

Good luck to everyone this season! This is by far, my favorite contest to follow each year.
See, I don't understand the bolded. You continually reference ownership stats, as if there's some intrinsic value in selecting lesser-owned players. There isn't. All that matters is scoring the most points. This isn't a serpentine draft where there might be some "value" to zigging while others are zagging and vice versa.IF you think Rivers will outproduce Roethlisberger, you're not giving yourself an advantage by selecting the lesser owned Roethlisberger. If you think Tate will outproduce Ward, there's no "value" to taking the Ward just because you think fewer people will do so. If your gut instinct is that VJax and Dez are going to have good seasons, then there's no reason to avoid them because you think they'll be too highly owned.

If everyone else has Antonion Brown, and you have Emmanual Sanders, two things can happen: either Sanders does better than Brown, or Brown does better than Sanders. It's not true at all that you "needed a low ownership % for this play to work." In order for that play to work, you need the $8 Sanders to outproduce the $3 Brown. That's all that matters. Sure, if Sanders turns out to be a better value, then you have a small advantage over the field at that position. If he doesn't, then the rest of the field has that advantage over you.

In fact, if you subscribe to the Wisdom of CrowdsTM theory, then the best values are probably the players with the highest ownership percentages, not the lowest. Obviously there are some biases present that don't make this a truly "wise crowd" but, you know, if the majority of 10,000+ entries picked Tate instead of Ward, or Brown instead of Sanders, there's probably a good reason.

I don't mean to be picking on your entry specifically, you just happened to reference the uniqueness aspect multiple times in your post. Uniqueness is so vastly overrated in this contest. You want the roster that will score the most points. If that involves taking a bunch of highly-owned players, so be it. IIRC last year, Doug posed some hypothetical where he offered the chance, after the ownership stats had been posted, to trade in Arian Foster for Joseph Addai. The idea was that, since Foster was so much more highly owned than Addai (and everyone else) that there was some intrinsic value to taking the lesser-owned player. But there wasn't. Tons of people owned Foster, and not many owned Addai. And you know what happened? The Foster owners did better than the Addai owners, because Foster did better than Addai. :shrug:
Thank you for posting your thoughts. Not saying I'm right or wrong here, but the goal for constructing my team is to play to win the game. This means, I'll take a team with a lower probability to make it to the end (within reason) if the same "flaw" that makes it harder to get to the finals also gives my team a greater chance to have an advantage should I make it to the finals. Having the highly owned players is good and bad.

Good: Swimming with the herd can help you get further in the contest because most teams have a bad week when you do. Teams without the highly owned player are cut at a higher % when the popular player goes off. Foster was a perfect storm example last year. I'm glad he was on my roster!

Bad: When you and 97% of the other teams have Foster at the end of the contest, he isn't helping you WIN the contest. At best, you are keeping pace at that point. The benefits are minimized because this player won't help much when the bulk of your opponents have him too. The blessed player becomes a liability unless he knocks it out of the park these weeks. Even if he does, you don't benefit much at all because the other owners are keeping pace with you. You need other players to do extremely well IN ADDITION TO MR. POPULAR.

I'd much rather have another more unique player who has a good chance to out produce the popular player weeks 14-16 because this play DOES increase my odds of winning the contest. There is less competition when you have a small number of teams with your guy.

Only 22 teams have the QB combo of Brady & Roethlisberger

5 teams with Roethlisberger, Starks & Pettigrew

6 teams with Brady, Starks & Tolbert

1 team with Brady, Starks, Tolbert and Gronkowski

 
Thank you for posting your thoughts. Not saying I'm right or wrong here, but the goal for constructing my team is to play to win the game. This means, I'll take a team with a lower probability to make it to the end (within reason) if the same "flaw" that makes it harder to get to the finals also gives my team a greater chance to have an advantage should I make it to the finals.
Thanks, and again I hope you don't think I'm picking on you specifically, just arguing against the importance of "uniqueness" in this contest. This post illustrates my point. Uniqueness doesn't give your team a greater chance to have an advantage in the finals. It's a misconception. The team that wins in the finals will be the one that scores the most points, regardless of how "unique" they are. At some point, someone will probably make the argument that if 249 people own Player X, and one person owns Player Y, and Player X and Player Y have roughly equal chances of outscoring the other, then Player Y has a higher win expectation. I won't disagree, but that's an overly simplistic analysis. I can construct all kinds of extreme hypotheticals where uniqueness becomes a crucial factor, but it's my belief that every team in this contest is sufficiently unique to win. Whether you have all commonly-owned players or all unique players, whether or not you win the contest will be determined by how many points they score, not how many other owners also have them.

If you score the most points, but aren't "unique" enough, the worst that can happen is you tie for first place. OTOH if you are the most unique, but don't score enough points, you don't win. Your uniqueness doesn't help you win, scoring the most points does.

I'd much rather have another more unique player who has a good chance to out produce the popular player weeks 14-16 because this play DOES increase my odds of winning the contest. There is less competition when you have a small number of teams with your guy.
It only increases your odds of winning the contest if your unique player outperforms the popular player. If he doesn't, then it decreases your odds of winning the contest, because now you're behind the rest of the field. There's no more or less competitiion - you're competing against 249 other teams, regardless of who you select. If they all have commonly-owned players that all do better than your more unique players, you're going to finish in the bottom of the standings. And yes, if all your unique players do better than their commonly-owned players, then you'll finish in the top of the standings. But again, it's not the uniqueness that makes you more or less likely to win, it's the points.
Only 22 teams have the QB combo of Brady & Roethlisberger

5 teams with Roethlisberger, Starks & Pettigrew

6 teams with Brady, Starks & Tolbert

1 team with Brady, Starks, Tolbert and Gronkowski
The fact is that there are like a quadrillion possible legal rosters in this contest, and only 10,000 entries. Every one of them is unique. That's why every year this thread is full of posts like, "I'm the only person who owns W, X, Y, and Z!" Everyone's unique if you look at just their top 8-10 players, not to mention the rest of their depth.
 
Just looking at last year's grand prize winner and the ownership stats for his players in the final 250:

- His 2 QBs were both in the top 3 most commonly owned.

- 5 of his RBs were in the top 6 most commonly owned.

- 8 of his WRs were in the top 12 most commonly owned.

- His 3 TEs were in the top 4 most commonly owned.

- He had the most commonly owned kicker.

- Both of his defenses were in the top 6 most commonly owned.

Almost his entire roster, from top to bottom, was comprised of the most highly owned players. Yes, he also got contributions from a couple of other players who were less highly owned than these - he wouldn't have won without the points from those "unique" players. He also wouldn't have won without all these "non-unique" players. The thing they have in common that propelled him to the grand prize was that they all scored big points when it mattered, not how many other people also owned them.

 
Just looking at last year's grand prize winner and the ownership stats for his players in the final 250:- His 2 QBs were both in the top 3 most commonly owned.- 5 of his RBs were in the top 6 most commonly owned.- 8 of his WRs were in the top 12 most commonly owned.- His 3 TEs were in the top 4 most commonly owned.- He had the most commonly owned kicker.- Both of his defenses were in the top 6 most commonly owned.Almost his entire roster, from top to bottom, was comprised of the most highly owned players. Yes, he also got contributions from a couple of other players who were less highly owned than these - he wouldn't have won without the points from those "unique" players. He also wouldn't have won without all these "non-unique" players. The thing they have in common that propelled him to the grand prize was that they all scored big points when it mattered, not how many other people also owned them.
He also didn't break 200 points until week 14...where he did it for 3 straight weeks.
 
He also didn't break 200 points until week 14...where he did it for 3 straight weeks.
This highlights one of my other strongly-held beliefs about this contest: There's no way to construct a team specifically built for success in weeks 14-16. The final 250 is a lottery. The way you give yourself the best chance win that lottery is by making sure you get a ticket, not by trying to predict what the winning numbers will be. I am all but certain that this year, the thousands of small, stud-led rosters will get slaughtered by the hundreds of larger rosters in weeks 1-13. The survival rates during the regular season will conclusively show once again that large rosters are proportionately more likely to survive to the final 250 than small rosters, by far. The argument goes that despite this, the small rosters that do manage to survive will have some advantage in the finals, but I don't believe that's the case. It's definitely not enough of an advantage to overcome their significant disadvantage during the first 13 weeks of the season. I believe when building a roster in August, you do what will give you the best chance to get to the final 250, not what you think will give you the best chance to win the final 250 if you get there. Once you get there, anything can happen.
 
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Dang, sounds like -1 already with Amendola.
Yep that is a big blow already
Is he out for the year?Here is a breakdown of Amendola ownership:

Pos RostersWR-1 4WR-2 26WR-3 210WR-4 939WR-5 983WR-6 342WR-7 60WR-8 11WR-11 1
Still not looking great - from nfl.com:UPDATE: It turns out Amendola’s injury was serious, but it’s an elbow injury. The Rams announced Amendola suffered a dislocated left elbow and he won’t return to the game. His season could be in jeopardy.
Yeah I had Amendola as well... A dislocated elbow can vary in the time it takes to heal depending on the severity. Pessimistically, it looks like 6-12 weeks of rehabbing according to a Sport Science Orthopedic Clinic. So possibly as little as 4 games but as many 12. Any word on what was Bradford's injury?
Just to update from last night ESPN is stating that Amendola is out 8-10 weeks. :unsure: Now I just need my other 7 WRs to step up.

Also Nate Kaeding is out for the year.

 

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