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***OFFICIAL*** 2013 New TV Show Cancellation Contest (Maik J wins) (1 Viewer)

Super Fun Night - Orange

Ironside - Orange

The Millers - Green

Mom -Green

Sean Saves The World - Green

Tiebreaker 10/7

 
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I think post #2 should have everyone's entries properly reflected. Please let me know if I missed anyone or slipped on corrections.

 
I think supernatural is being a tad overdone on the networks. Once Upon a Time, Once Upon a Time in Wonderland, Dracula, Sleepy Hollow, (are there others?). There's not enough room for all of these shows.

 
Corporation said:
gump said:
Sleepy Hollow didnt keep my attention.
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I thought it was produced well but agree it didn't blow me away. I'll give it some more time.
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I watched the first half and recorded the 2nd half. As a pilot, in what I saw, it appeared to do what they are supposed to do, namely set-up the premise of the show. It did seem a little formulaic though of the "cop who defies the by-the-book boss to solve the crime" type of formula. But as I say, I haven't seen how it ended, so maybe that changed in the 2nd half.

 
They got semi-decent numbers, better than year-ago timeslot occupant The Mob Doctor and they held on to Bones's audience well enough. Still finished in second place, however. Next week they'll face all original episodes, no reruns, from their competition.

Dads and Brooklyn Nine-Nine premiere tonight.

 
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They got semi-decent numbers, better than year-ago timeslot occupant The Mob Doctor and they held on to Bones's audience well enough. Still finished in second place, however. Next week they'll face all original episodes, no reruns, from their competition.
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Cancel it! :D

 
Jobber said:
I think supernatural is being a tad overdone on the networks. Once Upon a Time, Once Upon a Time in Wonderland, Dracula, Sleepy Hollow, (are there others?). There's not enough room for all of these shows.
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Grimm

 
Jobber said:
I think supernatural is being a tad overdone on the networks. Once Upon a Time, Once Upon a Time in Wonderland, Dracula, Sleepy Hollow, (are there others?). There's not enough room for all of these shows.
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75% of them will fail, and then maybe we'll get a good one. For fans of the supernatural type shows, it's not a bad thing. As a fan of Supernatural I thought Grimm was gonna be a stinker, but I liked it after it caught on. If there's room for 500 police dramas, there's room for a few different attempts at supernatural shows every year. And inevitably only some will stick around.

 
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Thought Dads had a couple laughable moments, but don't think it is staying long.

 
Fox’s new comedies didn’t exactly blow up the Nielsens on Tuesday night, yet Dads and Brooklyn Nine-Nine improved their slots compared to last fall and helped prop up the return of New Girl.

Dads premiered to 5.6 million viewers and a 2.1 adult demo rating, up 24 percent from the debut of Raising Hope at 8 p.m. last year. Brooklyn Nine-Nine opened to 6 million viewers and a 2.5 rating at 8:30 p.m., up 19 percent from the first episode of the short-lived Ben and Kate.

That helped New Girl (5.6 million, 2.9) rise up a tenth a point for its third season premiere. Yet returning companion series The Mindy Project (4.0 million, 1.9) fell 21 percent from last fall’s series opener.

Let’s be clear: Nobody is jumping up and down at Fox over the Dads or Brooklyn numbers. I suspect the network had higher hopes for Andy Samberg’s well-reviewed Brooklyn in particular, a show that some critics felt was the best new comedy this year. And Dads, well, critics at the network’s summer TV press tour reacted to that pilot like Fox was rolling out “Springtime for Hitler” — so any non-bomb rating is a relief for the brass. Point is: Neither performance is great, yet both are workable. And coming off Monday’s clear-win with the premiere of Sleepy Hollow, Fox is off to a not-too-shabby start.

 
Fennis said:
Nick Vermeil said:
Any industry buzz yet Sarnoff? Lucky 7 and Dads can't be far from the axe.
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We are Men is another one competing for the first to go, it had the lowest rated sitcom debut on CBS ever.
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Yup. Worse than the quickly-killed "Partners" from last season:

New CBS comedy We Are Men picked up where its predecessor Partners left off last fall. In its debut, We Are Men drew a 2.0/5 in adults 18-49 and 6.4 million viewers at 8:30 PM, below the debut of swiftly cancelled Partners (2.4, 6.5 million) last September and CBS’ lowest-rated in-season comedy premiere ever. CBS’ entire lineup was down from premiere Monday. How I Met Your Mother (3.1/9, 7.7 million) was down 16% in 18-49, 2 Broke Girls (2.4/6, 7.6 million) was down 14% to tie its series low. New comedy Mom (2.2/5) was down 12%, while freshman drama Hostages (1.5/4, 6 million) was down 17% in the demo. The hostage drama got a reprieve with a solid DVR gain (+50% in 18-49 Live+3) for its debut, but still, these are not live ratings you want to see for a serialized drama so early into its run.Hostages‘ rival in the 10 PM slot, NBC’s The Blacklist, held up much better in Week 2. The James Spader showcase (3.6/10, 12.1 million) was down a scant 5% in 18-49 from its solid premiere to again rank as the top scripted program of the night. Its lead-in, The Voice (4.6/13, 14.2 million) was down 10%. The numbers for both shows may have been pumped up by a tenth or so by an NFL pre-emption in New Orleans. NBC comfortably won the night in 18-49 and total viewers with the two top programs in 18-49 and No. 1 and No. 3 in total viewers.

Logging an even stronger hold than Blacklist was Fox’s newbie Sleepy Hollow (3.0/8), down just a tenth (3%) from last week. And its companion, veteran Bones (2.2/6), was the only series to post a week-to-week gains last night, up 16%. ABC’s Castle (2.2/6) posted the second best retention, even with last week. Dancing With The Stars (2.0/5, 12.8 million) was down 13%.
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Sarnoff said:
Fennis said:
Nick Vermeil said:
Any industry buzz yet Sarnoff? Lucky 7 and Dads can't be far from the axe.
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We are Men is another one competing for the first to go, it had the lowest rated sitcom debut on CBS ever.
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Yup. Worse than the quickly-killed "Partners" from last season:

New CBS comedy We Are Men picked up where its predecessor Partners left off last fall. In its debut, We Are Men drew a 2.0/5 in adults 18-49 and 6.4 million viewers at 8:30 PM, below the debut of swiftly cancelled Partners (2.4, 6.5 million) last September and CBS’ lowest-rated in-season comedy premiere ever. CBS’ entire lineup was down from premiere Monday. How I Met Your Mother (3.1/9, 7.7 million) was down 16% in 18-49, 2 Broke Girls (2.4/6, 7.6 million) was down 14% to tie its series low. New comedy Mom (2.2/5) was down 12%, while freshman drama Hostages (1.5/4, 6 million) was down 17% in the demo. The hostage drama got a reprieve with a solid DVR gain (+50% in 18-49 Live+3) for its debut, but still, these are not live ratings you want to see for a serialized drama so early into its run.Hostages‘ rival in the 10 PM slot, NBC’s The Blacklist, held up much better in Week 2. The James Spader showcase (3.6/10, 12.1 million) was down a scant 5% in 18-49 from its solid premiere to again rank as the top scripted program of the night. Its lead-in, The Voice (4.6/13, 14.2 million) was down 10%. The numbers for both shows may have been pumped up by a tenth or so by an NFL pre-emption in New Orleans. NBC comfortably won the night in 18-49 and total viewers with the two top programs in 18-49 and No. 1 and No. 3 in total viewers.

Logging an even stronger hold than Blacklist was Fox’s newbie Sleepy Hollow (3.0/8), down just a tenth (3%) from last week. And its companion, veteran Bones (2.2/6), was the only series to post a week-to-week gains last night, up 16%. ABC’s Castle (2.2/6) posted the second best retention, even with last week. Dancing With The Stars (2.0/5, 12.8 million) was down 13%.
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Wow -- Glad I had "We are Men" on my list, saw a commercial for it -- looked like an abomination.

 
Nick Fury’s mood won’t be improving anytime soon.

ABC’s Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD drew 8.4 million total viewers and a 3.1 demo rating in its second outing, dropping 31 and 34 percent from its boffo premiere.

Thusly, the rest of ABC’s all-new Tuesday slate took a hit. The Goldbergs (6.2 mil/2.2) fell 29 percent in the demo, Trophy Wife (4.3 mil/1.4) plunged 39 percent and Lucky 7 (2.8 mil/0.8) dropped 38 percent.

In fact, CBS’ NCIS bested SHIELD this week in both total viewers (with 19.3 mil, down 4 percent from premiere) and in the demo (3.4, down two tenths). Leading out of that, NCIS: LA (14.8 mil/2.7) dipped 10 percent, while Person of Interest (12.2 mil/2.0) was steady in viewers but down 13 percent in the demo.

Over on NBC, The Voice (14.2 mil/4.6) ticked down a tenth week-to-week, while Chicago Fire (9 mil/2.8) added a handful of viewers and rose a tenth in the demo versus its season opener.

Among Fox’s comedy quartet, Dads (3.4 mil/1.3) and New Girl (3.9 mil/1/9) each dipped two tenths, Brooklyn Nine-Nine (3.4 mil/1.4) dropped 22 percent and The Mindy Project was steady at 3 mil/1.5.

 
Seven proved an unlucky number for new ABC lottery drama Lucky 7, which was adjusted down to a 0.7 adults 18-49 rating in Live+same day from a 0.8 in the fast nationals. That was down 46% from the series’ underwhelming premiere last week. It is also the lowest rating ever for a drama original on the Big 4 broadcast networks outside of Friday and Saturday. NBC’s Jekyll & Hyde medical drama Do No Harm logged the same 0.7 18-49 rating in its second outing last season and was pulled from the schedule shortly thereafter. Another NBC drama, Smash, posted a 0.7 and a week later was banished to Saturdays. The other hourlong series to record a 0.7 18-49 rating was ABC’s midseason drama Red Widow, which hit the low mark 10 days before it as cancelled by the network. Even low-trafficked Friday night doesn’t seem to tolerate dramas that fall under 0.7 in 18-49, with Fox’s Touch as the only show I can think of that has gone lower, to a 0.6 and even 0.5 last season. So the question is how long before ABC pulls Lucky 7 from the schedule. To play off Lucky 7‘s lottery theme, the adaptation of the British series had the odds stacked against it — it is a low-key blue collar ensemble drama about gas station employees winning a big jackpot that doesn’t have any stars or established lead-in and hardly got any promotional push. Tuesday represents a big challenge for the network, which bet on a lineup of all-new series led by the noisy Marvel’s Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D., which is still solid but dropped alarmingly from its big premiere. The rest of the lineup, new comedies The Goldbergs and especially Trophy Wife, which leads into Lucky 7, are in jeopardy. The network’s decision to put family comedy The Goldbergs, its most promoted new half-hour that received generally positive reviews, on Tuesday and instead give Rebel Wilson’s uneven Super Fun Night the post-Modern Family slot had a lot of industry observers scratching their heads.
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Sarnoff said:
Seven proved an unlucky number for new ABC lottery drama Lucky 7, which was adjusted down to a 0.7 adults 18-49 rating in Live+same day from a 0.8 in the fast nationals. That was down 46% from the series’ underwhelming premiere last week. It is also the lowest rating ever for a drama original on the Big 4 broadcast networks outside of Friday and Saturday. NBC’s Jekyll & Hyde medical drama Do No Harm logged the same 0.7 18-49 rating in its second outing last season and was pulled from the schedule shortly thereafter. Another NBC drama, Smash, posted a 0.7 and a week later was banished to Saturdays. The other hourlong series to record a 0.7 18-49 rating was ABC’s midseason drama Red Widow, which hit the low mark 10 days before it as cancelled by the network. Even low-trafficked Friday night doesn’t seem to tolerate dramas that fall under 0.7 in 18-49, with Fox’s Touch as the only show I can think of that has gone lower, to a 0.6 and even 0.5 last season. So the question is how long before ABC pulls Lucky 7 from the schedule. To play off Lucky 7‘s lottery theme, the adaptation of the British series had the odds stacked against it — it is a low-key blue collar ensemble drama about gas station employees winning a big jackpot that doesn’t have any stars or established lead-in and hardly got any promotional push. Tuesday represents a big challenge for the network, which bet on a lineup of all-new series led by the noisy Marvel’s Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D., which is still solid but dropped alarmingly from its big premiere. The rest of the lineup, new comedies The Goldbergs and especially Trophy Wife, which leads into Lucky 7, are in jeopardy. The network’s decision to put family comedy The Goldbergs, its most promoted new half-hour that received generally positive reviews, on Tuesday and instead give Rebel Wilson’s uneven Super Fun Night the post-Modern Family slot had a lot of industry observers scratching their heads.
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My first one listed! Let's get Lucky 7 out of here (and Super Fun Night as well).

 
GAME EVENT

It's an upset!

Sorry to bro1ncos, jamny, and spOOfy, but the 2nd least likely pickup of the contest just got an order. FOX just renewed Sleepy Hollow, a 10-1 shot, for a second season:

And the first pickup for a new series this fall goes to — Fox’s drama Sleepy Hollow. But instead of the standard back 9 order, the adventure series is getting a second season renewal for at least 13 episodes. Sleepy Hollow is part of Fox’s strategy for shorter, largely uninterrupted, cable-style runs. It was designed to air its 13-episode first season in the fall before another drama series ordered under the same template, The Following, returns in the Monday 9 PM hour, likely in January. Given the success of Sleepy Hollow, it probably was tempting to try and extend its freshman season to the standard 22 episodes, but Fox brass stuck with their original plan. Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, who co-created Sleepy Hollow with pilot’s director Len Wiseman and Phillip Iscove but are now under an overall deal at CBS TV Studios, are on board for Season 2. Also coming back is Mark Goffman, who joined after the pilot as an executive producer assisting Kurtzman and Orci with showrunning duties. “The show has proven to be a risk well worth taking – it’s a conceptual blast unlike anything else on television and it all holds together with inventive writing and a fantastic cast,” said Fox chairman Kevin Reilly. Sleepy Hollow, a new take on the tale of the Headless Horseman, has been one of the biggest success stories this fall, not only because of its strong premiere numbers but because of its consistency, opening with a 3.4 18-49 rating and, three weeks in, still staying above the 3 ratings threshold in live viewing (3.0). The series, from K/O Paper Products and 20th Century Fox TV, also is a huge DVR draw, earning a 5.0/13 rating among Adults 18-49 and 13.6 million viewers for the premiere in Live+3, making it Fox’s most successful fall drama premiere since the debut of 24 in November 2001. With its encore, post-three-day playback on DVR and VOD and streaming, the Sleepy Hollow premiere has drawn an audience of more than 22 million to date. The series is executive produced by Kurtzman, Orci, Wiseman, Goffman, series director Ken Olin and Heather Kadin, with Iscove serving as supervising producer.
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No points for you!

 
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Only watched the pilot for Sleepy Hollow. I thought it was decent. Only reason I didn't keep on watching it was because I didn't think it would get renewed.

 
Sarnoff said:
GAME EVENT

It's an upset!

Sorry to bro1ncos, jamny, and spOOfy, but the 2nd least likely pickup of the contest just got an order. FOX just renewed Sleepy Hollow, a 10-1 shot, for a second season:

And the first pickup for a new series this fall goes to — Fox’s drama Sleepy Hollow. But instead of the standard back 9 order, the adventure series is getting a second season renewal for at least 13 episodes. Sleepy Hollow is part of Fox’s strategy for shorter, largely uninterrupted, cable-style runs. It was designed to air its 13-episode first season in the fall before another drama series ordered under the same template, The Following, returns in the Monday 9 PM hour, likely in January. Given the success of Sleepy Hollow, it probably was tempting to try and extend its freshman season to the standard 22 episodes, but Fox brass stuck with their original plan. Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, who co-created Sleepy Hollow with pilot’s director Len Wiseman and Phillip Iscove but are now under an overall deal at CBS TV Studios, are on board for Season 2. Also coming back is Mark Goffman, who joined after the pilot as an executive producer assisting Kurtzman and Orci with showrunning duties. “The show has proven to be a risk well worth taking – it’s a conceptual blast unlike anything else on television and it all holds together with inventive writing and a fantastic cast,” said Fox chairman Kevin Reilly. Sleepy Hollow, a new take on the tale of the Headless Horseman, has been one of the biggest success stories this fall, not only because of its strong premiere numbers but because of its consistency, opening with a 3.4 18-49 rating and, three weeks in, still staying above the 3 ratings threshold in live viewing (3.0). The series, from K/O Paper Products and 20th Century Fox TV, also is a huge DVR draw, earning a 5.0/13 rating among Adults 18-49 and 13.6 million viewers for the premiere in Live+3, making it Fox’s most successful fall drama premiere since the debut of 24 in November 2001. With its encore, post-three-day playback on DVR and VOD and streaming, the Sleepy Hollow premiere has drawn an audience of more than 22 million to date. The series is executive produced by Kurtzman, Orci, Wiseman, Goffman, series director Ken Olin and Heather Kadin, with Iscove serving as supervising producer.
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No points for you!
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Sarnoff why do they renew shows when they do? Why now say as opposed to 4 weeks from now?

 
Fennis said:
Sarnoff said:
GAME EVENT

It's an upset!

Sorry to bro1ncos, jamny, and spOOfy, but the 2nd least likely pickup of the contest just got an order. FOX just renewed Sleepy Hollow, a 10-1 shot, for a second season:

And the first pickup for a new series this fall goes to — Fox’s drama Sleepy Hollow. But instead of the standard back 9 order, the adventure series is getting a second season renewal for at least 13 episodes. Sleepy Hollow is part of Fox’s strategy for shorter, largely uninterrupted, cable-style runs. It was designed to air its 13-episode first season in the fall before another drama series ordered under the same template, The Following, returns in the Monday 9 PM hour, likely in January. Given the success of Sleepy Hollow, it probably was tempting to try and extend its freshman season to the standard 22 episodes, but Fox brass stuck with their original plan. Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, who co-created Sleepy Hollow with pilot’s director Len Wiseman and Phillip Iscove but are now under an overall deal at CBS TV Studios, are on board for Season 2. Also coming back is Mark Goffman, who joined after the pilot as an executive producer assisting Kurtzman and Orci with showrunning duties. “The show has proven to be a risk well worth taking – it’s a conceptual blast unlike anything else on television and it all holds together with inventive writing and a fantastic cast,” said Fox chairman Kevin Reilly. Sleepy Hollow, a new take on the tale of the Headless Horseman, has been one of the biggest success stories this fall, not only because of its strong premiere numbers but because of its consistency, opening with a 3.4 18-49 rating and, three weeks in, still staying above the 3 ratings threshold in live viewing (3.0). The series, from K/O Paper Products and 20th Century Fox TV, also is a huge DVR draw, earning a 5.0/13 rating among Adults 18-49 and 13.6 million viewers for the premiere in Live+3, making it Fox’s most successful fall drama premiere since the debut of 24 in November 2001. With its encore, post-three-day playback on DVR and VOD and streaming, the Sleepy Hollow premiere has drawn an audience of more than 22 million to date. The series is executive produced by Kurtzman, Orci, Wiseman, Goffman, series director Ken Olin and Heather Kadin, with Iscove serving as supervising producer.
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No points for you!
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Sarnoff why do they renew shows when they do? Why now say as opposed to 4 weeks from now?
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Bragging rights/network politics/inside baseball kind of stuff, mainly.

Maybe, maybe, they were nearing the end of production for the first 13 episodes this year and wanted to lock up a particular actor/writer/producer now for season 2. I'd ballpark if they started in mid/late July with shooting episode 2, they'd probably hit episode 13 around early/mid November, so by giving the order now they can start negotiating with whomever it is they like and get him signed before he starts talking to other shows or looking for other options. Since this particular series is done for this year after the 13th episode, they might be nervous someone will find greener pastures before season 2 starts.

Most other shows might wait a couple of more weeks, but, the time is quickly approaching if they want to renew a series for a back order. Shows shoot pretty far in advance so they'll be close to the end of the initial order of 13 pretty soon. They can't wait too long, because the pre-production lead time needed is kind of high. They can't just wait til the last day of #13 and then say "give us nine more", because there wouldn't be a script to shoot for #14. The writers need to know to write the script well in advance so it can be developed, sent to the network, re-written per their notes, and then approved for production. Then the locations need to be booked, actors cast, etc.

 
Also, people are reluctant to get into new shows if they have no assurance of resolution. By renewing Sleepy Hollow, fans that were on the sidelines may start t come in.

In another move by sister network - FXX - Wilfred was renewed for a 4th and final season. What a great move here. It sends a message to the viewer and establishes a more user friendly brand.

It seems they've brought their strategy into the 21st century...

 
"The Blacklist" has been renewed for a full-season order.


But, more importantly, we have our first victim: ABC’s ‘Lucky 7′ Cancelled After 2 Episodes

We have the first casualty of the 2013-14 broadcast season. ABC has pulled freshman drama Lucky 7 after two episodes, the second one posting that unlucky 0.7 adults 18-49 rating on Tuesday. Starting next week, ABC will air repeats of red-hot Scandal — which hit series highs in its third-season premiere last night — in Lucky 7‘s Tuesday 10 PM slot until settling on a permanent replacement. There are no immediate plans to air the already-produced Lucky 7 episodes, and discussions are underway whether to stop production immediately.The fate of Lucky 7 was sealed by that dismal Week 2 demo rating of 0.7, down 46% from the series’ underwhelming premiere. But in its defense, the adaptation of the British series was a low-key blue-collar ensemble drama with no stars that was launched with hardly any marketing push and no established lead-in (fellow under-promoted new series Trophy Wife) as part of an all-freshman Tuesday lineup.
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"Lucky 7" was the #1 pick (50 base points) for Corporation & Trd Ferguson. It had an odds bonus of +3, and 3.4 uniqueness points. -0.4 points for duplicate selection. 2 episodes aired so there are 23 bonus points and, since it's the first show out, a Bonus Multiplier of 2.0. Total 158 points each.

#2 pick (40 points) for myself and Nick Vermeil, 138 points each.

#5 pick for Bruce Dickinson, 78.8 points.

 
Sarnoff said:
"Lucky 7" was the #1 pick (50 base points) for Corporation & Trd Ferguson. It had an odds bonus of +3, and 3.4 uniqueness points. -0.4 points for duplicate selection. 2 episodes aired so there are 23 bonus points and, since it's the first show out, a Bonus Multiplier of 2.0. Total 158 points each.

#2 pick (40 points) for myself and Nick Vermeil, 138 points each.

#5 pick for Bruce Dickinson, 78.8 points.
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Holy ####... You guys doing calculus up in this #####?!

 
Last year was Elementary that did me in early. This year was Sleepy Hollow. I guess I should avoid those rehashes. I underestimate their built-in audience.

 
How was The Millers? I was on the pilot and loved it, but was on another show by the time it got picked up and haven't been on it since. Very awesome to watch Burrows work. Ultimate pro. They recast and reshot the sister stuff. I can't remember who was the sister but Geymma did a much better job. And the husband was Michael Rappaport, who I seriously dislike (obvious exception for True Romance). Thought the finished product was pretty good for a sitcom.

 
mad sweeney said:
How was The Millers? I was on the pilot and loved it, but was on another show by the time it got picked up and haven't been on it since. Very awesome to watch Burrows work. Ultimate pro. They recast and reshot the sister stuff. I can't remember who was the sister but Geymma did a much better job. And the husband was Michael Rappaport, who I seriously dislike (obvious exception for True Romance). Thought the finished product was pretty good for a sitcom.
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Watched it last night and it wasn't bad, will give it another shot. I could have done without the dancing scene though. Didn't realize Rappaport was originally in it. So glad they made that change.

 
jamny said:
spOOfy said:
Crap. Based on just the commercials I figured no way that had staying power. :kicksrock:
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:goodposting:

I knew I was in trouble with all the positive reviews here in the FFA.

Sleepy Hollow...really?
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The 2 red shows I referenced earlier that I thought were locks to get renewed were Sleepy Hollow and the Crazy Ones. Sarnoff picked the Crazy Ones, and that makes me a little worried. I just didn't think they'd bring on Robin Williams with his built in fanbase (albeit older) and can him after a year.

 
Sarnoff said:
"Lucky 7" was the #1 pick (50 base points) for Corporation & Trd Ferguson. It had an odds bonus of +3, and 3.4 uniqueness points. -0.4 points for duplicate selection. 2 episodes aired so there are 23 bonus points and, since it's the first show out, a Bonus Multiplier of 2.0. Total 158 points each.

#2 pick (40 points) for myself and Nick Vermeil, 138 points each.

#5 pick for Bruce Dickinson, 78.8 points.
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:pickle: :clap:

 
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