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***Official 2014 World Cup Thread*** (9 Viewers)
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NIU Kicker
Footballguy
The Russia lineup
Boris
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Boris
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Igor
Boris
Boris
Dimitri
Boris
Boris
Boris
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Igor
Boris
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Dimitri
Boris
Norman Paperman
Footballguy
Its an interesting question - but it comes down to practicality. These national teams generally get together a few times a year - usually for about a week. So, they simply do not have the time, nor the experience together to be really great teams.
Some of the teams have exceptional individual talent - but the top club teams in the world also have their pick of the best players from all countries - and they play/practice together for 10 months of the year.
Norman Paperman
Footballguy
Really thought Vladimir was going to crack the lineup. But I guess in Russia, the lineup cracks you.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
They are all-star teams, so have lots of talent but not always a great team concept. I've always believed that a top club would beat a top national team more than they would lose, just because the club has more time training together and developing an identity, but I'm not overly confident of that opinion..
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Always a chuckle to see how little respect Italy gets from folks.
It's actually unreal.
We're going to go off the handle massaging a German team that flops consistently, who played a great game (albeit against 10 men for most of the game)?
To this point, the only teams that have made a strong impression on me are Holland, Italy, Germany and Mexico.
That being said, I expect Holland to take a dip (their defense is nowhere as good as they looked), and Mexico likely wont get much further than out of the group.
But jesus... You guys need to give a lil respect to probably the most consistent team of the past decade or two and 2nd winningest in WC history
It's actually unreal.
We're going to go off the handle massaging a German team that flops consistently, who played a great game (albeit against 10 men for most of the game)?
To this point, the only teams that have made a strong impression on me are Holland, Italy, Germany and Mexico.
That being said, I expect Holland to take a dip (their defense is nowhere as good as they looked), and Mexico likely wont get much further than out of the group.
But jesus... You guys need to give a lil respect to probably the most consistent team of the past decade or two and 2nd winningest in WC history
Norman Paperman
Footballguy
Teams like Germany, Spain, and Holland would probably fair pretty well - given that many of their players play together on their respective club teams.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Eephus
Footballguy
The natural unevenness of talent distribution is also a problem for the national sides. Even strong countries with huge talent pools have problems producing world class players to fill a starting XI at any given time. There is usually a position or two where the talent or depth is less. That's much less of a problem for a club team who can shop for a position in the next transfer window.
Norman Paperman
Footballguy
Premier
Footballguy
TLEF316
Footballguy
The best club teams are better than the best national teams.
For the past 5 years or so, Barcelona has basically been the best parts of the Spanish National team + Messi. Now they've got Neymar as well. (plus a handful of other studs from other countries). In the champions league final a few weeks ago, Real Madrid brought Marcello (starting at LB for Brazil) off the bench.
Even if you eliminated the built in advantage of playing with eachother 10 months out of the year (as opposed to national teams, which basically get together for a week or 2 every few months) the talent at the elite clubs is superior to anything that 1 individual nation can put together at any one time.
Celph Titled
Footballguy
Italy sucks.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
reading. radio. tv.
hell, they're still 22-1 odds to win the WC. I mean... lets just look at their performances in the past 20 years in all comps. 2010 was a disaster, but that was 110% expected by everyone who wasnt named Lippi
The Gator
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
that was funny in the US about 8yrs ago when noone knew what the shape of a soccer ball was
the games speak for themselves. Italy arent even fractionally as bad at diving as a lot of teams
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Norman Paperman
Footballguy
oh. They are not winning anything this year. 22-1 would be throwing your money away. I'd put them behind (in no particular order) Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Germany, France, Holland
Celph Titled
Footballguy
Skip-a Baylessito says "Mamma Mia!"
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Might as well flush your lira down the crapper.
El Floppo
Footballguy
It would be a good game... if anybody knew who the MLS Cup champions were.
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I know it wasn't the FIRE!It would be a good game... if anybody knew who the MLS Cup champions were.
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NIU Kicker
Footballguy
This game stinks
Eephus
Footballguy
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Ref has a sweet comb-over.
NIU Kicker
Footballguy
Eephus
Footballguy
you see there's a guy on the Russian team named Shatov which sort of sounds like something that would stink. Oh nevermind...
The Gator
Footballguy
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
All the skill of someone I drafted for kupcho. You're welcome.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Assuming this is a legit question, the USMNT would easily beat, over a long series of games, the current MLS champs. The top two players on KC (current MLS champs) are Zusi and Besler. Both are important for US but I don't think anyone would call them top US Nat players.
The next best player on KC is probably Benny. I love him but he did not even make the US final 30.
The gap then just grows when you look at Cam, Fab, Bradley, Dempsey, Howard against the KC counterparts.
A more interesting question is US Nats vs MLS All Star team. That would be a great game.
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Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Russia's team is filled with a bunch of Zhirkovs.
The Gator
Footballguy
I giggled
Celph Titled
Footballguy
I'm glad I didn't have to wake up in the middle of the night to watch this.
butcher boy
Footballguy
Only one dong on the Korean team.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
In other news, Kim Jong Un scored a brace today en route to North Korea's 2-0 group stage win over Spain.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I remember when South Korea used to run teams off the field. Germany is going dismantle which ever of these two come in second.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
The Brazil Mexico game was end to end constant entertainment with no goals.
This Russia SK is the exact opposite with the same no goals.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Did she just say a Russian dressing room? Sounds delicious.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
For those that forgot, it was between US and SK during the draw. We had a 50-50 chance of being with Belgium, Algeria and Russia instead of what we got.
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