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Official 2015 Cowboys Thread- 4-12. We won the 4th pick! (1 Viewer)
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fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
Top 3 pick looking likely!
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DreamTheater
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
I suspect Zeke was an option before today. Now, he certainly has to be in the discussion in the top 5. I like Goff a lot, but he's neither a serviceable injury replacement for Romo this year, nor can I envision him as starter until 2018. So, it's a long game with him, and I'd rather go with the immediate impact guy for a team that, when Romo's healthy, can win 11+ games. That guy is Elliott. Oh, and get rid of 76.
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simmonjm
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Im a huge OSU fan and have watched Elliot quite a bit. I would be severely disappointed if Cowboys drafted him with a top 5 pick. I feel like you have to go QB that high or LB like Jack or Jaylon Smith. I honestly want a QB who can work as backup for Romo when he inevitably gets injured and learn for 2 years before becoming full time starter. I'm really surprised with you wanting a rb Cobalt. Seems shortsighted.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Shortsighted, perhaps. But, introducing a game-changing dynamic element to the running game has to be a top priority that works both in the short term and long term...that is, unless we're prepared to spend a ton for Forte (not quite future-focused) either. Best case scenario is trade down, add a 2, and still get Zeke. I like Bosa and Goff and would be happy with both for different reasons. But, at the end of the day, I feel really, REALLY good about Elliott...and not so good about 29 year old DMC or 30 yo Forte (or gobs of $ for Miller).
Get rid of 76 ASAP.
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Bankerguy
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It seems apparent to me that Jones is going to be a Safety, so a Corner is also on my wish list to go with a hopefully healthy Scandrick. Keep in mind we are going to a ton of supplementary picks and that leads me to speculate some trade action. Could totally see us using late picks to move into the first round in addition to our early pick.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Aren't the skins expected to do the same thing? Can't imagine they want to risk DJax or Reed getting hurt, given their glass-like status.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
They are going to try to play it safe but theyve been talking all week how Dallas didn't take it easy on them last year when they were in the Skins position, stomping the Skins 44-something.DallasDMac said:
I have mixed feelings. I want the boys to inflict serious damage but not win.
I'd like to be up by one with a few seconds left.. Take the ball out of the end zone for a self imposed safety.
simmonjm
Footballguy
Agree that a move at rb position has to be made. No way you can depend on dmac for more of anything other than a backup. Paying an older rb in free agency rarely works out. Gotta draft one or two. Hopefully they can get Dunbar on reasonable deal so rookie rb doesn't have to be relied on so heavily for pass protection duties. With all that being said you can get a good one in top of second round
Except that it just did work to pay an older RB in FA. Since the guy you say can't be relied on to be more than anything but a backup moved into the starting lineup in week 7 only Doug Martin and Peterson have ran for more yards.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Sounds like you want Coleman. Can see him falling to the early 2nd maybe. Would hate to see you guys get him
DevilDog919
Footballguy
4th Pick in the draft and several comp picks. First time I've been excited all season!
Bankerguy
Footballguy
GoBirds
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
Cumulative effect of so much b.s. With this team.
Sad to say, I really think this happens. Silver lining (if there is one) is the #4 gets used on someone else other than QB. But, that hardly seems worth it.
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
I'd love the Memphis QB. Elliott would be a terrible waste of the #4. Would rather trade back and still get him, but there are other pressing needs.
And I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I say resign Hardy if reasonable contract.
And I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I say resign Hardy if reasonable contract.
Deamon
Footballguy
big reach on him at #4... especially after his bowl game. Saying he may slip into the mid teens.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Drafting Lynch would be a colossal waste. Elliott is the only guy I want at this point at 4.
Oh and at WR2, let's lure Calvin out of his retirement that you "reported" was imminent.
Poncho
Footballguy
B-Deep
Footballguy
the elliot talk is simple
this team was a questionable catch call from the NFC championship game.
then the next season it sucked
major differences were:
Romo hurt
Dez hurt
No demarco
sooooooo if we think there's another run to be made, get those cats healthy and get a stud RB. If Elliot is like gurley, this team can contend again
that's a whopping big if, but i understand it
I think they do need to try another run, romo and witten will be gone soon, we may be able to make another run with them.
this team was a questionable catch call from the NFC championship game.
then the next season it sucked
major differences were:
Romo hurt
Dez hurt
No demarco
sooooooo if we think there's another run to be made, get those cats healthy and get a stud RB. If Elliot is like gurley, this team can contend again
that's a whopping big if, but i understand it
I think they do need to try another run, romo and witten will be gone soon, we may be able to make another run with them.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
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Despite this seasons results, the team is still very well constructed. Offensive and defensive lines are a strength.
They need another WR, bolster the DBs and a RB.
Yes, they need a QB but any QB they draft isn't going to help in 2016/2017.
I still say pick one but not in the first, especially not this draft.
First round picks are only to be used on the following:
OL/DL/CB/LB
They need another WR, bolster the DBs and a RB.
Yes, they need a QB but any QB they draft isn't going to help in 2016/2017.
I still say pick one but not in the first, especially not this draft.
First round picks are only to be used on the following:
OL/DL/CB/LB
B-Deep
Footballguy
i agree go BPA, to a degree
here's what i mean
if your BPA is not at a position of need, and your 3rd best BPA is, then consider it.
I am not a strict BPA no matter what guy, but generally, yes, pick the best player this high up
I know it's simple, but IMO that's the problem. It's easy to say "having a stud RB would be awesome", but the reality is that what really matters is the production. There are so few actual difference-making RBs, which is one of the reasons they have been devalued in recent years.
McFadden averaged 4.6 ypc this year (a tenth less than Murray last season), so I don't see how the running game was a big problem. I agree that they should add one, but that should come later in the draft or via FA. RBs just aren't worth that high of a pick, and it's really not a big need for them.
McFadden averaged 4.6 ypc this year (a tenth less than Murray last season), so I don't see how the running game was a big problem. I agree that they should add one, but that should come later in the draft or via FA. RBs just aren't worth that high of a pick, and it's really not a big need for them.
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B-Deep
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no matter what the YPC says, McFadden was not nearly the impact player Murray was last season
I dunno if they should draft elliot. If you told me he was Gurley good I would say yes. But I do not know how good he is
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Sign Lamar Miller the moment he hits FA.
I didn't say that he was, but most of that was due to the circumstances. The O-line was only good not great like the year before, a healthy Romo and Dez obviously makes a huge difference, and they knew they weren't going to re-sign Murray so they ran him into the ground. The point is, it's kind of hard to say RB is a major concern when your guy just ran for 4.6 ypc.
Would Elliott have made a difference this year? Of course not, the problem wasn't the running game. Going forward, it's highly unlikely that Elliott is going to have a Murray like season, and even that wasn't good enough to make the playoffs. They'd be much better off focusing on a more valuable position with that pick, and go after Miller, Martin, Forte, Ivory, etc. in free agency.
What kind of impact would Murray have had last year with no Romo, no Dez, no Bill Callahan and not starting until a few games into the season?
Fact that the team without those weapons still averaged the same YPC as last season and still got a healthy 1800+ yards of their running game only further validated not re-signing Murray and their belief that a lot of RB's could enjoy success behind that OL.
I'm not even trying to say Mcfadden should be the assumed feature back or something and they absolutely need to improve the quality of the RB's on the team as it's pretty bleak as you move down the depth chart. I'm not even saying they would not pick Elliot or should not. Apparently they would have picked Gurley last year in first and Yeldon in the second so they were ready to pay a premium pick for one. But all that being said I view that position as more in need of depth/competition than the need to spend a top 5 pick. In other words if they choose to invest in Elliot with a high pick it's not out of need, it's because they just have him graded as far and away the best player on the board.
B-Deep
Footballguy
I still think Murray would have done better than McFadden last year despite the YPC.
I don't think they should have paid wjhat Philly did for him, i don't think they did anything wrong.
But I think this offense is better with a better weapon taking the handoffs. I don't know if that should be Elliot or not, it depends on where they rate him and where they rate those around him. I don;t think if DMC gets the bulk of our carries next season we are a playoff team, so there is a need there. they need a better RB if they want to make a serious run.
I don't think they should have paid wjhat Philly did for him, i don't think they did anything wrong.
But I think this offense is better with a better weapon taking the handoffs. I don't know if that should be Elliot or not, it depends on where they rate him and where they rate those around him. I don;t think if DMC gets the bulk of our carries next season we are a playoff team, so there is a need there. they need a better RB if they want to make a serious run.
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I agree we need to bring several backs in but disagree with drafting one in the first few rounds. I would rather they bring in Lamar Miller, bring back McFadden and draft a back (or three).
I think there were 3 hurdles facing our team this past season...
1- No Romo. W/Cassel and the Weed man behind center teams could stack the box.
2- No Murray. It was the right choice to let Murray walk if he wouldn't take the 6-Mil deal offered but not addressing the position in the draft or via trade was a mistake.
3- this is the biggest hurdle they face this year and that was their success last year. Every single team in the league circled the Cowboys and how everybody said they had the best, most dominant offense of line the world has EVAH seen. They all had targets on their backs and they didn't have what it took to live up to the hype.
Every year is different and I hope we can get back to the success we experienced in 2014 and the 2015 season was a outlier. I hope.
I think there were 3 hurdles facing our team this past season...
1- No Romo. W/Cassel and the Weed man behind center teams could stack the box.
2- No Murray. It was the right choice to let Murray walk if he wouldn't take the 6-Mil deal offered but not addressing the position in the draft or via trade was a mistake.
3- this is the biggest hurdle they face this year and that was their success last year. Every single team in the league circled the Cowboys and how everybody said they had the best, most dominant offense of line the world has EVAH seen. They all had targets on their backs and they didn't have what it took to live up to the hype.
Every year is different and I hope we can get back to the success we experienced in 2014 and the 2015 season was a outlier. I hope.
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B-Deep
Footballguy
i would just say, it depends on the back. a 20 year old back on a rookie deal who ends up being Peterson or what Gurley appears to be trending to is worth it. But you had better be damn sure they are elite, because you are right average RBs are out there a dime a dozen and wasting an early pick on average is a setback
Miller would probably do a damn good job, i would certainly love to see him here (if the price is right)
B-Deep
Footballguy
ouch
The Cowboys have drafted five quarterbacks since Jones has been owner: Troy Aikman, No. 1 overall in 1989, Steve Walsh in the first round of the supplemental draft in 1989, Bill Musgrave in the fourth round in 1991, Quincy Carter in the second round in 2001 and Stephen McGee in the fourth round in 2009.
The Cowboys have drafted five quarterbacks since Jones has been owner: Troy Aikman, No. 1 overall in 1989, Steve Walsh in the first round of the supplemental draft in 1989, Bill Musgrave in the fourth round in 1991, Quincy Carter in the second round in 2001 and Stephen McGee in the fourth round in 2009.
I disagree. DMC looked like he had more in the tank then Murray did last season. Chip did not sign him to not play him as little as he did, he played him as little as he did because the other RB's outplayed him. Murray had a nice 2014 but that's the past. All I heard on talk radio all year was his departure is what led to spiral of team and I wondered how people could watch DMC and Murray this past season and draw that conclusion.
Dallas RB's ran for 7th most yards in the NFL last year if you break out rushing yards to just RB's and they were 5th in YPC among RB's. I know it's a tired refrain but it bears mentioning again that was without Romo and without Dez because most of those teams that ran for more yards had full healthy season from their QB's. Also bears mentioning that the teams whose RB's ran for more yards than Dallas are Vikings, Seattle, Buffalo, Philly and Tampa. Meaning teams with expensive RB's and one (Tampa) who is about to be.
Dallas did not have issues running the football last season, in fact it might be the thing they did best and they did at a bargain price. They got this one right.
Don't mean this applies to you but I think when most Dallas fans say they need a RB it comes across to me as just lazy Jerry Jones backlash analysis going back to what I said earlier about all I hear on local talk radio all year was Jerry not wanting to resign Murray led to collapse of team. People always want to blame Jerry but reality is if it was Jerry or Stepen or whoever made the decision to prioritize OL over paying premium second contract to a RB made a great call.
B-Deep
Footballguy
Question(s)
in the 4th quarter if Dallas starts handing the ball to DMC, do you think that's it the game is in hand?
did Dallas wear down other teams down with their running game this year so they looked in control at the end?
I have NO problem with the decision they made last year, I have been clear on that. Paying Murray 8 or 9 mil would have been stupid. I also don;t know that on this team Murray could have handled a load like he did the year prior, i think he might have crumbled. But I still believe this team cannot be what it was in 2014 with McFadden and a group of misfits behind him. They need a RB that strikes some fear, ideally a RB that can beat up a team so they have lost their legs in the 4th quarter. I did not see that, and I do not think it was just Dez and romo
As for Demarco, Chip had no idea how to use him. I don;t know what he has left in the tank, but if you want to run sweep after sweep to the outside then yes, Sproles is going to be a better option than Murray. I am not juding what he has left based on Chip Kelly's idiocy
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B-Deep
Footballguy
I'd also add,
this was the highest # of carries in DMC's career, and only his second 16 game season. Relying on him in the future is VERY risky, imo. He surprised me this season, but I don;t want to bank on him doing it again anymore than anyone wanted to bank on Murray's 15 being as goo or better than his 14
this was the highest # of carries in DMC's career, and only his second 16 game season. Relying on him in the future is VERY risky, imo. He surprised me this season, but I don;t want to bank on him doing it again anymore than anyone wanted to bank on Murray's 15 being as goo or better than his 14
