*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (3 Viewers)

[GoBirds]

So he should acquire a crappy QB to prove he's not racist? The draft is the only option to find a potential upgrade to Bradford. OL in the early rounds and hope to get a mid round QB to develop.

Not to be a cynic but isn't that what we've said the last 2 drafts? Will Chip adjust his haphazard draft style?

I think he has to see OL is #1 need. I don't know that he has a draft style as this was his 1st draft and the QB class mid rounds was real weak and he already included a #2 pick for Bradford.

 

[Insein]

So he should acquire a crappy QB to prove he's not racist? The draft is the only option to find a potential upgrade to Bradford. OL in the early rounds and hope to get a mid round QB to develop.

Not to be a cynic but isn't that what we've said the last 2 drafts? Will Chip adjust his haphazard draft style?

I think he has to see OL is #1 need. I don't know that he has a draft style as this was his 1st draft and the QB class mid rounds was real weak and he already included a #2 pick for Bradford.

We can hope. We all thought OL was a need this past year though and he ignored it. I swore he was going to run the ball more since that's what worked when this offense at its best. Leading the league in rushing. But we're setting an Andy Reid run pass ratio so far. I'm just coming to terms that every thing I thought made sense in the off season was false and my coach and GM lies to us straight faced every Tuesday.

 

[JuniorNB]

Lolol

 

[Insein]

Reuben Frank

@RoobCSN

FWIW, I was at Ryan Mathews' locker post-game. He didn't get treatment. He didn't have any ice. He didn't mention an injury.

 

[Insein]

Why make up a groin injury? To cover the fact that you threw Duce under the bus Sunday night?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Why make up a groin injury? To cover the fact that you threw Duce under the bus Sunday night?

Throwing him under the bus? He's been answering that question the same way all year

 

[GoBirds]

So he should acquire a crappy QB to prove he's not racist? The draft is the only option to find a potential upgrade to Bradford. OL in the early rounds and hope to get a mid round QB to develop.

Not to be a cynic but isn't that what we've said the last 2 drafts? Will Chip adjust his haphazard draft style?

I think he has to see OL is #1 need. I don't know that he has a draft style as this was his 1st draft and the QB class mid rounds was real weak and he already included a #2 pick for Bradford.

We can hope. We all thought OL was a need this past year though and he ignored it. I swore he was going to run the ball more since that's what worked when this offense at its best. Leading the league in rushing. But we're setting an Andy Reid run pass ratio so far.I'm just coming to terms that every thing I thought made sense in the off season was false and my coach and GM lies to us straight faced every Tuesday.

I agree we need to run it more but the problem we have run into is running on 1st down not only were we not getting a chunk of yards but we were getting 4 yard losses. Then that happens multiple times and they have to abandon it. Recent weeks have been better. The problem I have, especially the Murray run plays, is they are the same 2 run plays every time. Can they not put Bradford under center or a pistol formation or something to not be as predictable? That is where it will be interesting to see if the bye allows for some adjustments.

 

[Insein]

Why make up a groin injury? To cover the fact that you threw Duce under the bus Sunday night?

Throwing him under the bus? He's been answering that question the same way all year

When the media asks why doesn't Mathews play more he said ask Duce. I get he defers to his coaches but is Duce really making the call on whether Murray is getting more carries than Mathews?

 

[Insein]

So he should acquire a crappy QB to prove he's not racist? The draft is the only option to find a potential upgrade to Bradford. OL in the early rounds and hope to get a mid round QB to develop.

Not to be a cynic but isn't that what we've said the last 2 drafts? Will Chip adjust his haphazard draft style?

I think he has to see OL is #1 need. I don't know that he has a draft style as this was his 1st draft and the QB class mid rounds was real weak and he already included a #2 pick for Bradford.

We can hope. We all thought OL was a need this past year though and he ignored it. I swore he was going to run the ball more since that's what worked when this offense at its best. Leading the league in rushing. But we're setting an Andy Reid run pass ratio so far.I'm just coming to terms that every thing I thought made sense in the off season was false and my coach and GM lies to us straight faced every Tuesday.

I agree we need to run it more but the problem we have run into is running on 1st down not only were we not getting a chunk of yards but we were getting 4 yard losses. Then that happens multiple times and they have to abandon it. Recent weeks have been better. The problem I have, especially the Murray run plays, is they are the same 2 run plays every time. Can they not put Bradford under center or a pistol formation or something to not be as predictable? That is where it will be interesting to see if the bye allows for some adjustments.

Hope so. Someone suggested 2 back shotgun sets. Sure. Why not?

 

[renesauz]

Bringing up a point made on 97.5 and I think it's a good one: watching Ariens coach Arizona they had a really good point. Three guys on that team that are serious playmakers would never be on a Chip Kelly team. John Brown--too small. Christ they took Huff over him. Honey Badger--wrong culture and Chris Johnson who's making peanuts this year and eating Murray's lunch.

This is the part of Chip that scares me the most. Whenever he goes on about football players being like navy seals--give me a break. It's insulting to the military. I get it but seals actually will die for one another for the sake of a mission. It's just not corect to compare athletes (who are in essence entertainers) to actual service people that lose life and limb. Compounding that, you have just under 1700 people on the active rosters of the 32 teams. 1700 out of 7 BILLION gifted enough to play at the nfl level. Do you think that rare of a talent might sometimes have an ego with it? I'm sick of this guy wanting all honor students and Eagle Scouts. If I gotta hear one more time about Jordan Mathews showing up at 7 am to work out on the Juggs machine, I'm gonna vomit. This guy is a #3. Yeah, he brought his notebook to his interviews, he's a great guy and probably steps out of the shower to p!ss. He doesn't cut it as a number one!

This is on Chip the GM and because of it, I'm losing sight of wether Chip the coach is any good.

I strongly disagree with this. For every low character talented player that works out well, there's another that brings a team down. That's not to say you shouldn't research and be SURE that the guy with a sketchy background/history is really a low character guy, but after watching talented hotheads drag one team after another down I can't blame any coach for trying to avoid them. Some short memories here. I still cringe thinking about TO and situps in his driveway

 

[Insein]

Bringing up a point made on 97.5 and I think it's a good one: watching Ariens coach Arizona they had a really good point. Three guys on that team that are serious playmakers would never be on a Chip Kelly team. John Brown--too small. Christ they took Huff over him. Honey Badger--wrong culture and Chris Johnson who's making peanuts this year and eating Murray's lunch.

This is the part of Chip that scares me the most. Whenever he goes on about football players being like navy seals--give me a break. It's insulting to the military. I get it but seals actually will die for one another for the sake of a mission. It's just not corect to compare athletes (who are in essence entertainers) to actual service people that lose life and limb. Compounding that, you have just under 1700 people on the active rosters of the 32 teams. 1700 out of 7 BILLION gifted enough to play at the nfl level. Do you think that rare of a talent might sometimes have an ego with it? I'm sick of this guy wanting all honor students and Eagle Scouts. If I gotta hear one more time about Jordan Mathews showing up at 7 am to work out on the Juggs machine, I'm gonna vomit. This guy is a #3. Yeah, he brought his notebook to his interviews, he's a great guy and probably steps out of the shower to p!ss. He doesn't cut it as a number one!

This is on Chip the GM and because of it, I'm losing sight of wether Chip the coach is any good.

I strongly disagree with this. For every low character talented player that works out well, there's another that brings a team down. That's not to say you shouldn't research and be SURE that the guy with a sketchy background/history is really a low character guy, but after watching talented hotheads drag one team after another down I can't blame any coach for trying to avoid them. Some short memories here. I still cringe thinking about TO and situps in his driveway

At the time, I was totally against TO. Thought he was just another JO that was too big for his britches. But in hindsight, Banner totally screwed him in that deal with his previous agent. We probably should have adjusted his contract and kept him an Eagle. Could you imagine a happy TO and McNabb combo from 05-10?

Hindsight of course but sometimes you have to adjust your coaching style to allow for some leeway.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Bringing up a point made on 97.5 and I think it's a good one: watching Ariens coach Arizona they had a really good point. Three guys on that team that are serious playmakers would never be on a Chip Kelly team. John Brown--too small. Christ they took Huff over him. Honey Badger--wrong culture and Chris Johnson who's making peanuts this year and eating Murray's lunch.

This is the part of Chip that scares me the most. Whenever he goes on about football players being like navy seals--give me a break. It's insulting to the military. I get it but seals actually will die for one another for the sake of a mission. It's just not corect to compare athletes (who are in essence entertainers) to actual service people that lose life and limb. Compounding that, you have just under 1700 people on the active rosters of the 32 teams. 1700 out of 7 BILLION gifted enough to play at the nfl level. Do you think that rare of a talent might sometimes have an ego with it? I'm sick of this guy wanting all honor students and Eagle Scouts. If I gotta hear one more time about Jordan Mathews showing up at 7 am to work out on the Juggs machine, I'm gonna vomit. This guy is a #3. Yeah, he brought his notebook to his interviews, he's a great guy and probably steps out of the shower to p!ss. He doesn't cut it as a number one!

This is on Chip the GM and because of it, I'm losing sight of wether Chip the coach is any good.

I strongly disagree with this. For every low character talented player that works out well, there's another that brings a team down. That's not to say you shouldn't research and be SURE that the guy with a sketchy background/history is really a low character guy, but after watching talented hotheads drag one team after another down I can't blame any coach for trying to avoid them. Some short memories here. I still cringe thinking about TO and situps in his driveway

At the time, I was totally against TO. Thought he was just another JO that was too big for his britches. But in hindsight, Banner totally screwed him in that deal with his previous agent. We probably should have adjusted his contract and kept him an Eagle. Could you imagine a happy TO and McNabb combo from 05-10? Hindsight of course but sometimes you have to adjust your coaching style to allow for some leeway.

I don't mind Kelly's approach as a leader or a manager. What other professional job will guarantee 6-figures to someone who background doesn't comeback clean? Every innovative thing chip has installed will be mocked simply because he's losing. Sports science looks genius when offensive records are being shattered and you win the division.

 

[Insein]

Bringing up a point made on 97.5 and I think it's a good one: watching Ariens coach Arizona they had a really good point. Three guys on that team that are serious playmakers would never be on a Chip Kelly team. John Brown--too small. Christ they took Huff over him. Honey Badger--wrong culture and Chris Johnson who's making peanuts this year and eating Murray's lunch.

This is the part of Chip that scares me the most. Whenever he goes on about football players being like navy seals--give me a break. It's insulting to the military. I get it but seals actually will die for one another for the sake of a mission. It's just not corect to compare athletes (who are in essence entertainers) to actual service people that lose life and limb. Compounding that, you have just under 1700 people on the active rosters of the 32 teams. 1700 out of 7 BILLION gifted enough to play at the nfl level. Do you think that rare of a talent might sometimes have an ego with it? I'm sick of this guy wanting all honor students and Eagle Scouts. If I gotta hear one more time about Jordan Mathews showing up at 7 am to work out on the Juggs machine, I'm gonna vomit. This guy is a #3. Yeah, he brought his notebook to his interviews, he's a great guy and probably steps out of the shower to p!ss. He doesn't cut it as a number one!

This is on Chip the GM and because of it, I'm losing sight of wether Chip the coach is any good.

I strongly disagree with this. For every low character talented player that works out well, there's another that brings a team down. That's not to say you shouldn't research and be SURE that the guy with a sketchy background/history is really a low character guy, but after watching talented hotheads drag one team after another down I can't blame any coach for trying to avoid them. Some short memories here. I still cringe thinking about TO and situps in his driveway

At the time, I was totally against TO. Thought he was just another JO that was too big for his britches. But in hindsight, Banner totally screwed him in that deal with his previous agent. We probably should have adjusted his contract and kept him an Eagle. Could you imagine a happy TO and McNabb combo from 05-10? Hindsight of course but sometimes you have to adjust your coaching style to allow for some leeway.

I don't mind Kelly's approach as a leader or a manager. What other professional job will guarantee 6-figures to someone who background doesn't comeback clean? Everything innovative thing chip has installed will be mocked simply because he's loosing. Sports science looks genius when offensive records are being shattered and you win the division.

Agreed and I do believe Kelly can coach because he's done it the last two years. Which makrs the Reid like stubborness all the more maddening.

GM I'm not sold on if the draft and trades for the last 3 years is anything to go on.

 

[duaneok66]

internet logic - gotta love it.

None of this stuff came up when he was 10-6.

The Eagles go 3-4 and excuses are flying in the wind.

 

[GoBirds]

internet logic - gotta love it.

None of this stuff came up when he was 10-6.

The Eagles go 3-4 and excuses are flying in the wind.

Seriously....looks like a lot of tears over the bye week.

 

[Insein]

internet logic - gotta love it.

None of this stuff came up when he was 10-6.

The Eagles go 3-4 and excuses are flying in the wind.

Well when you look mediocre on offense, the part of the team that looked pretty good the previous two years, then people are going to question wth is going on. God forbid.

 

[Deamon]

Like I said, its a long season and you guys are in o.k. shape. Honestly, you have a back up that is probably better than your starter. How many teams can say that?

Yes, it was stupid to offer Kelly the GM job as that almost never works out well, but you guys have a good team. There is a lot of talent to work with there.

It was a dumb signing and a waste of money.

It was dumb to backup an injury prone starter with a competent backup?

Never should have signed Murray. The offered Mathews before Murray.

Now with Mathews hurt, would hate to only have Sproles as our only RB.

Never said Philly shouldn't have signed another back. I've always felt Mathews was the better fit and they could have spent the money elsewhere. When it was announced Murray was going to Philly many people in this thread thought they would not sign Mathews.

What "other back" do you suggest? Murray was there, we had the money, we thought it would work, and went for it. Also took him away from where he likely would have signed if we didn't take him.... Dallas.

RB is the easiest skilled position to replace. How about drafting a RB or picking up a FA over paying Murray and Mathews?

Again, hindsight. Were you happy with the Murray signing? Most Eagles fans were. Easy to sit on your couch now, knowing the future about how Murray has done, and say it was dumb.

Maybe we would have taken a RB instead of Hicks. I'd rather Murray + Hicks then extra money in our owners bank + Rookie RB.

 

[Deamon]

internet logic - gotta love it.

None of this stuff came up when he was 10-6.

The Eagles go 3-4 and excuses are flying in the wind.

Well when you look mediocre on offense, the part of the team that looked pretty good the previous two years, then people are going to question wth is going on. God forbid.

Very fine line between "questioning what is going on" and a complete blind, whiny assault. It's asinine to say we'd be at LEAST in the NFC Championship and likely playing in the superbowl this year with Foles at QB. That is beyond absurd and you've been a smart football fan in the past, with good insight, so I'm pretty sure once you stop seeing red, and calm your #### a little bit, that you'll realize your overreaction and be able to look at the team without your 'I hate Bradford" glasses on. Hopefully it will only take beating Dallas for you to again change your tune and stop with all the negative crap. Wishful thinking maybe.

 

[jon007]

It seems we have some regulars here. Curious how everyone is doing fantasy wise. 3 years ago I started a 12 team redraft league based off the hit show The League. This is a grudge league ( no money ) and I'm 5-2 with the best record and second highest points scored. I picked 11 in the draft and my team was crap. In a QB hoarding league I took A-Rod in the 1st.

Significant drops I have made. Andre Johnson, Doug Martin after week 3 , Carolina D, Seattle kicker

Significant waivers I have gotten, Denver Kicker, Denver D, L. Murray

We only carry 4 on the bench so injuries, bye weeks are a pain.

Starting lineup 8 slots : QB, WR/RB, WR/RB, WR/RB, WR/TE, WR/TE, K, DEF

League is based on real offensive formations so you can run 5 wide or the wishbone what ever floats your boat. With flex positions in most slots it does help with bye weeks having a small bench. Not many trades happen in this league as the waiver pool is fat with talent.

QB : A -Rod

RB : Ingram, Lewis, L Murray

WR : Megatron, A Cooper, John Brown, T Benjamin

TE: Gates

K : Denver kicker

Def : Denver w/ St Louis

 

[Insein]

internet logic - gotta love it.

None of this stuff came up when he was 10-6.

The Eagles go 3-4 and excuses are flying in the wind.

Well when you look mediocre on offense, the part of the team that looked pretty good the previous two years, then people are going to question wth is going on. God forbid.

Very fine line between "questioning what is going on" and a complete blind, whiny assault. It's asinine to say we'd be at LEAST in the NFC Championship and likely playing in the superbowl this year with Foles at QB. That is beyond absurd and you've been a smart football fan in the past, with good insight, so I'm pretty sure once you stop seeing red, and calm your #### a little bit, that you'll realize your overreaction and be able to look at the team without your 'I hate Bradford" glasses on. Hopefully it will only take beating Dallas for you to again change your tune and stop with all the negative crap. Wishful thinking maybe.

I said we had a shot at making the NFC championship game with Foles and Maclin here. Never said super bowl. That's not really that hard to fathom. This NFC who's great? Green Bay? Yea probably the best in NFC. Arizona? Carolina? Seattle? Atlanta? They are all beatable with a QB in his 3rd year of the offense that has his timing down with his WRs and a bona fide #1 to take pressure off Matthews and Ertz et al, and our defense playing lights out with turnovers, yea I feel 11-5 with a shot at the NFC championship was very doable.

Not sure why that's so bizarre since people were saying 12-4 and the same during preseason without even knowing what Bradford was.

 

[need2know]

I had low expectations for Bradford so not too shocked about him. More disappointed in the line and the lack of running game. I thought that was going to be the strength of the team. Turns out it's the defense

 

[need2know]

I knew the wrs were garbage and sadly I was correct

 

[ShaHBucks]

internet logic - gotta love it.

None of this stuff came up when he was 10-6.

The Eagles go 3-4 and excuses are flying in the wind.

Well when you look mediocre on offense, the part of the team that looked pretty good the previous two years, then people are going to question wth is going on. God forbid.

Very fine line between "questioning what is going on" and a complete blind, whiny assault. It's asinine to say we'd be at LEAST in the NFC Championship and likely playing in the superbowl this year with Foles at QB. That is beyond absurd and you've been a smart football fan in the past, with good insight, so I'm pretty sure once you stop seeing red, and calm your #### a little bit, that you'll realize your overreaction and be able to look at the team without your 'I hate Bradford" glasses on. Hopefully it will only take beating Dallas for you to again change your tune and stop with all the negative crap. Wishful thinking maybe.

I said we had a shot at making the NFC championship game with Foles and Maclin here. Never said super bowl. That's not really that hard to fathom. This NFC who's great? Green Bay? Yea probably the best in NFC. Arizona? Carolina? Seattle? Atlanta? They are all beatable with a QB in his 3rd year of the offense that has his timing down with his WRs and a bona fide #1 to take pressure off Matthews and Ertz et al, and our defense playing lights out with turnovers, yea I feel 11-5 with a shot at the NFC championship was very doable.Not sure why that's so bizarre since people were saying 12-4 and the same during preseason without even knowing what Bradford was.

So your barometer is set at an NFC championship appearance?I don't see the backlash stopping unless this happens somehow

 

[Mighty Mice]

Interesting piece this AM on Birds 24/7. Breaks down all the drops v CAR, one by one, with video clips of each.

http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/10/28/eagles-wake-up-call-dissecting-the-drops/#more-3032455

Doesn't really tell us anything we shouldn't know or hasn't been beaten to death in this thread IMO - some on Sam, he threw a few high/behind passes that were tough to blame the RB/WR on, some on the offense not being on the 'same page' (not expecting the ball, going diff ways on an option route, etc. Not in sync), and some flat out on the receivers.

----

Funny piece/quip by Paul Domowitch which I more or less agree with:

Are the issues at wide receiver related to talent or concentration?

What Chip said: “I don’t think it’s talent. I just think it’s sometimes a concentration issue with some of those guys. I think sometimes they may actually be thinking too much instead of just relaxing and going to play. Some of them need to just take a big, deep breath and do what we know they can do.’’

What Chip meant: “Well, since I drafted or signed most of these guys, you’re never going to hear me say it’s a talent issue. Am I right? We’re going to see if fear solves this drop problem in the next game. I’ve threatened to duct-tape anybody who drops a pass from here on out to the sled that our defensive line uses.
Too true, IMO.

ETA - whole article is pretty funny, interpreting 'what Chip says/what Chip meant' : http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=/philly/blogs/dneagles&id=337538771

 

[Dr. Octopus]

internet logic - gotta love it.

None of this stuff came up when he was 10-6.

The Eagles go 3-4 and excuses are flying in the wind.

As an outside observer I think overall Chip has been a very good coach and has brought some really good things into the NFL. Overall I think he's a success. However as to your point here - if some one blows up a team that finished 10-6 two years in a row to bring in "his guys", of course people are going to question those moves when they have mostly backfired so far. That actually makes sense.

That's not to say that things can't get better this year. I think they will.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

then extra money in our owners bank

This has been said numerous times and it's a really shortsighted way to look at things in a salary cap driven league. Saying "who cares, it's not MY money being spent" ignores the opportunity costs of overpaying a player. This comment isn't making any statements as to whether Murray was overpaid or not - just making the general point.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Apropos of nothing, but ... you want passion? Our 2015 team thread is up to 133 pages before the regular season is halfway over, and that doesn't even count the separate 25-page thread on our starting QB and the 19-page thread on our head coach.

I love being an Eagles fan.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Apropos of nothing, but ... you want passion? Our 2015 team thread is up to 133 pages before the regular season is halfway over, and that doesn't even count the separate 25-page thread on our starting QB and the 19-page thread on our head coach.

I love being an Eagles fan.

And every single Eagles game thread by far dominates any other game thread week in and week out. Definite passion and from what I can tell in this thread, it's a lot of heated passion. Fans of this team bickering with each other until an occasional Cowboys/Bears/Packers fan etc... shows up and then Eagles fans all unite and destroy the opposing fan.

 

[Insein]

Apropos of nothing, but ... you want passion? Our 2015 team thread is up to 133 pages before the regular season is halfway over, and that doesn't even count the separate 25-page thread on our starting QB and the 19-page thread on our head coach.

I love being an Eagles fan.

And every single Eagles game thread by far dominates any other game thread week in and week out. Definite passion and from what I can tell in this thread, it's a lot of heated passion. Fans of this team bickering with each other until an occasional Cowboys/Bears/Packers fan etc... shows up and then Eagles fans all unite and destroy the opposing fan.

It's like brothers fighting. We'll beat the crap out of each other and ridicule one another when left alone. But no one else outside can bash the family.

 

[Deamon]

internet logic - gotta love it.

None of this stuff came up when he was 10-6.

The Eagles go 3-4 and excuses are flying in the wind.

Well when you look mediocre on offense, the part of the team that looked pretty good the previous two years, then people are going to question wth is going on. God forbid.

Very fine line between "questioning what is going on" and a complete blind, whiny assault. It's asinine to say we'd be at LEAST in the NFC Championship and likely playing in the superbowl this year with Foles at QB. That is beyond absurd and you've been a smart football fan in the past, with good insight, so I'm pretty sure once you stop seeing red, and calm your #### a little bit, that you'll realize your overreaction and be able to look at the team without your 'I hate Bradford" glasses on. Hopefully it will only take beating Dallas for you to again change your tune and stop with all the negative crap. Wishful thinking maybe.

I said we had a shot at making the NFC championship game with Foles and Maclin here. Never said super bowl. That's not really that hard to fathom. This NFC who's great? Green Bay? Yea probably the best in NFC. Arizona? Carolina? Seattle? Atlanta? They are all beatable with a QB in his 3rd year of the offense that has his timing down with his WRs and a bona fide #1 to take pressure off Matthews and Ertz et al, and our defense playing lights out with turnovers, yea I feel 11-5 with a shot at the NFC championship was very doable.

Not sure why that's so bizarre since people were saying 12-4 and the same during preseason without even knowing what Bradford was.

You said with Foles and withOUT Maclin, that we would be in the NFC Championship AT LEAST.

Now you're changing your story.

 

[Deamon]

Apropos of nothing, but ... you want passion? Our 2015 team thread is up to 133 pages before the regular season is halfway over, and that doesn't even count the separate 25-page thread on our starting QB and the 19-page thread on our head coach.

I love being an Eagles fan.

I have but it's getting frustrating dealing with the negativity. I used to frequent CSN boards but the amount of people hating their own team without any unbiased insight was too much. This thread used to be an escape from that but now it seems that unless we make the NFC championship, there's going to be weekly trashing of our team, coach, qb, by our own fans. Criticism is one thing, this is overboard and annoying. Hopefully we win some games so Insein will once again change his tune and jump back on the wagon and crack a smile for once.

 

[Insein]

internet logic - gotta love it.

None of this stuff came up when he was 10-6.

The Eagles go 3-4 and excuses are flying in the wind.

Well when you look mediocre on offense, the part of the team that looked pretty good the previous two years, then people are going to question wth is going on. God forbid.

Very fine line between "questioning what is going on" and a complete blind, whiny assault. It's asinine to say we'd be at LEAST in the NFC Championship and likely playing in the superbowl this year with Foles at QB. That is beyond absurd and you've been a smart football fan in the past, with good insight, so I'm pretty sure once you stop seeing red, and calm your #### a little bit, that you'll realize your overreaction and be able to look at the team without your 'I hate Bradford" glasses on. Hopefully it will only take beating Dallas for you to again change your tune and stop with all the negative crap. Wishful thinking maybe.

I said we had a shot at making the NFC championship game with Foles and Maclin here. Never said super bowl. That's not really that hard to fathom. This NFC who's great? Green Bay? Yea probably the best in NFC. Arizona? Carolina? Seattle? Atlanta? They are all beatable with a QB in his 3rd year of the offense that has his timing down with his WRs and a bona fide #1 to take pressure off Matthews and Ertz et al, and our defense playing lights out with turnovers, yea I feel 11-5 with a shot at the NFC championship was very doable.Not sure why that's so bizarre since people were saying 12-4 and the same during preseason without even knowing what Bradford was.

You said with Foles and withOUT Maclin, that we would be in the NFC Championship AT LEAST.Now you're changing your story.

Find the post where I said that.

 

[JuniorNB]

Apropos of nothing, but ... you want passion? Our 2015 team thread is up to 133 pages before the regular season is halfway over, and that doesn't even count the separate 25-page thread on our starting QB and the 19-page thread on our head coach.

I love being an Eagles fan.

I have but it's getting frustrating dealing with the negativity. I used to frequent CSN boards but the amount of people hating their own team without any unbiased insight was too much. This thread used to be an escape from that but now it seems that unless we make the NFC championship, there's going to be weekly trashing of our team, coach, qb, by our own fans. Criticism is one thing, this is overboard and annoying. Hopefully we win some games so Insein will once again change his tune and jump back on the wagon and crack a smile for once.

When we won 3 out of 4 the whiners didn't stop. I doubt winning a few more will help.

 

[GoBirds]

Apropos of nothing, but ... you want passion? Our 2015 team thread is up to 133 pages before the regular season is halfway over, and that doesn't even count the separate 25-page thread on our starting QB and the 19-page thread on our head coach.

I love being an Eagles fan.

I have but it's getting frustrating dealing with the negativity. I used to frequent CSN boards but the amount of people hating their own team without any unbiased insight was too much. This thread used to be an escape from that but now it seems that unless we make the NFC championship, there's going to be weekly trashing of our team, coach, qb, by our own fans. Criticism is one thing, this is overboard and annoying. Hopefully we win some games so Insein will once again change his tune and jump back on the wagon and crack a smile for once.

When we won 3 out of 4 the whiners didn't stop. I doubt winning a few more will help.

Imagine if we had Jim Tomsula or Jay Gruden as a coach.

 

[Insein]

Apropos of nothing, but ... you want passion? Our 2015 team thread is up to 133 pages before the regular season is halfway over, and that doesn't even count the separate 25-page thread on our starting QB and the 19-page thread on our head coach.

I love being an Eagles fan.

I have but it's getting frustrating dealing with the negativity. I used to frequent CSN boards but the amount of people hating their own team without any unbiased insight was too much. This thread used to be an escape from that but now it seems that unless we make the NFC championship, there's going to be weekly trashing of our team, coach, qb, by our own fans. Criticism is one thing, this is overboard and annoying. Hopefully we win some games so Insein will once again change his tune and jump back on the wagon and crack a smile for once.

I'm smiling in my picture. Can't you tell.

Besides, there's negativity because the team has underperformed drastically. God forbid we voice a dissenting opinion about the current state of the team. You must have hated the last 4 years of Andy.

 

[Deamon]

I'm so glad we've now settled for the old Bradford just doesn't have enough around him mantra again. Cause that will get us to the Super Bowl. I'm glad that our coach can call out WRs, LBs, DBs, RBs Olinemen and even coaches but our delicate flower of a QB can't be criticised.

Just curious which pro bowl QB out there that another team wants to dump do you want to acquire? Should we offer a couple picks for Aaron Rodgers? Luck isn't having a good year maybe we can get him for Sanchez?

He thinks Foles would have gotten this team to a Super Bowl this year.

Guy in his 3rd year of the system. Cost way less so you could have kept Maclin. Wasnt scared to go deep. The current state of the NFC and our defensive improvements, yea I do think Foles would have had us in the NFC Championship game at least.

You've really lost your mind now. You lost all credibility.

There, I found it for you. Funny you challenge me to find it, and then you go and delete your original post

 

[Mighty Mice]

For all the issues, and admittedly we have several, I'm generally optimistic about the remaining 9 games. Philly won 3 of 4 before a road matchup against a playoff caliber team (who has won 11 straight regular season games, by the way) and was in a one-score game in the 4th Q, despite bringing our B- game to Bank of America field. The defense has been a takeaway machine and the run game is showing life. The bye is well timed.

Next 4: DAL, MIA, TB, DET. Philly wins 3-4 and improves to 6-5 (but 6-3 after a pitiful 0-2 start), and that's likely enough for 1st place in the NFC East.

So in my eternal optimism I still see a home playoff game/win more likely than not. With this D and home field, why not beat a WC team? Just get better at execution and stay healthy.

OTOH it could all fall apart. We are at a pivotal juncture v. Dallas.

 

[JuniorNB]

For all the issues, and admittedly we have several, I'm generally optimistic about the remaining 9 games. Philly won 3 of 4 before a road matchup against a playoff caliber team (who has won 11 straight regular season games, by the way) and was in a one-score game in the 4th Q, despite bringing our B- game to Bank of America field. The defense has been a takeaway machine and the run game is showing life. The bye is well timed.

Next 4: DAL, MIA, TB, DET. Philly wins 3-4 and improves to 6-5 (but 6-3 after a pitiful 0-2 start), and that's likely enough for 1st place in the NFC East.

So in my eternal optimism I still see a home playoff game/win more likely than not. With this D and home field, why not beat a WC team? Just get better at execution and stay healthy.

OTOH it could all fall apart. We are at a pivotal juncture v. Dallas.

If we lose to both Dallas and Miami, then I will be on board for a switch to Sanchez.

 

[The Noid]

in a one-score game in the 4th Q, despite bringing our B- game to Bank of America field.

This is where I think their problem is. Good teams (legit playoff teams with a chance to make a SB run) pull those types of games out consistently even with their B- game. We just can't seem to do that under Chip.

All 4 losses this year were games where just one or two breaks go our way, or one or two less mistakes are made, and we steal a win.

Indy last year is the only game I can think of where we pulled one of these out (with SF and AZ being more examples of ones we couldn't) in the last 3 seasons.

It seems like getting totally dominated (@ GB in '14, vs. DAL in '13) or totally dominating (NYG, CAR, DAL last year, CHI in '13) are the few extremes and everything else is a 50/50 coin flip that usually goes the other way.

 

[Insein]

Apropos of nothing, but ... you want passion? Our 2015 team thread is up to 133 pages before the regular season is halfway over, and that doesn't even count the separate 25-page thread on our starting QB and the 19-page thread on our head coach.

I love being an Eagles fan.

I have but it's getting frustrating dealing with the negativity. I used to frequent CSN boards but the amount of people hating their own team without any unbiased insight was too much. This thread used to be an escape from that but now it seems that unless we make the NFC championship, there's going to be weekly trashing of our team, coach, qb, by our own fans. Criticism is one thing, this is overboard and annoying. Hopefully we win some games so Insein will once again change his tune and jump back on the wagon and crack a smile for once.

When we won 3 out of 4 the whiners didn't stop. I doubt winning a few more will help.

Because the team is flawed. It's not what we thought it was. We are 12th in penalties. We've scored 10 points in the first quarter all year. Our kicker cant keep kickpffs in bounds let alone consistently hit a FG. Our QB has been erratic and the receivers are dropping everything in sight.

You can say well despite all that we're 3-4 and 1 game out. Well we've also received the 2nd biggest benefit from penalties (opposing penalties) and our defense has the highest turnover ratio in the league. Two things that you hope can continue but don't really count on. So what happens when those things even out?

We better hope they get their #### together in this bye because they've been getting by on a good defense, a handful of offense and luck. That only got us to 3-4.

 

[Insein]

I'm so glad we've now settled for the old Bradford just doesn't have enough around him mantra again. Cause that will get us to the Super Bowl. I'm glad that our coach can call out WRs, LBs, DBs, RBs Olinemen and even coaches but our delicate flower of a QB can't be criticised.

Just curious which pro bowl QB out there that another team wants to dump do you want to acquire? Should we offer a couple picks for Aaron Rodgers? Luck isn't having a good year maybe we can get him for Sanchez?

He thinks Foles would have gotten this team to a Super Bowl this year.

Guy in his 3rd year of the system. Cost way less so you could have kept Maclin. Wasnt scared to go deep. The current state of the NFC and our defensive improvements, yea I do think Foles would have had us in the NFC Championship game at least.

You've really lost your mind now. You lost all credibility.

There, I found it for you. Funny you challenge me to find it, and then you go and delete your original post

I seem to mention Maclin in there. And the original is unedited. Who's got credibility issues?

 

[ShaHBucks]

I'm so glad we've now settled for the old Bradford just doesn't have enough around him mantra again. Cause that will get us to the Super Bowl. I'm glad that our coach can call out WRs, LBs, DBs, RBs Olinemen and even coaches but our delicate flower of a QB can't be criticised.

Just curious which pro bowl QB out there that another team wants to dump do you want to acquire? Should we offer a couple picks for Aaron Rodgers? Luck isn't having a good year maybe we can get him for Sanchez?

He thinks Foles would have gotten this team to a Super Bowl this year.

Guy in his 3rd year of the system. Cost way less so you could have kept Maclin. Wasnt scared to go deep. The current state of the NFC and our defensive improvements, yea I do think Foles would have had us in the NFC Championship game at least.

You've really lost your mind now. You lost all credibility.

There, I found it for you. Funny you challenge me to find it, and then you go and delete your original post

I seem to mention Maclin in there. And the original is unedited. Who's got credibility issues?

If the Rams pooch a poor team for a #1 WR the Rams could make the NFC Championship. The schedule is begging them to finish 8-2 with a 11-5 like record ahead of Ari, who they've already beat. That would be ironic

 

[JuniorNB]

Apropos of nothing, but ... you want passion? Our 2015 team thread is up to 133 pages before the regular season is halfway over, and that doesn't even count the separate 25-page thread on our starting QB and the 19-page thread on our head coach.

I love being an Eagles fan.

I have but it's getting frustrating dealing with the negativity. I used to frequent CSN boards but the amount of people hating their own team without any unbiased insight was too much. This thread used to be an escape from that but now it seems that unless we make the NFC championship, there's going to be weekly trashing of our team, coach, qb, by our own fans. Criticism is one thing, this is overboard and annoying. Hopefully we win some games so Insein will once again change his tune and jump back on the wagon and crack a smile for once.

When we won 3 out of 4 the whiners didn't stop. I doubt winning a few more will help.

Because the team is flawed. It's not what we thought it was. We are 12th in penalties. We've scored 10 points in the first quarter all year. Our kicker cant keep kickpffs in bounds let alone consistently hit a FG. Our QB has been erratic and the receivers are dropping everything in sight.

You can say well despite all that we're 3-4 and 1 game out. Well we've also received the 2nd biggest benefit from penalties (opposing penalties) and our defense has the highest turnover ratio in the league. Two things that you hope can continue but don't really count on. So what happens when those things even out?

We better hope they get their #### together in this bye because they've been getting by on a good defense, a handful of offense and luck. That only got us to 3-4.

I'm with you on all of that. n fact, that sounds like something I would post. You've actually admitted the receivers are a problem and that our kicking situation has cost us. It's been as if you've been blaming Bradford for the drops, the poor early season o-line play, and every other reason the Birds are 3-4.

I think there are two times when a coaching staff shows it's value. Halftime adjustments in each game, and whole team bye week adjustments. I remember that Reid's teams had an amazing post-bye record. At one point, he never lost a game. I hope Kelly and his staff fix some of the things that are broke (penalties, running game, Bradford's decision-making) and improve things that are going well already (the defense). Also hoping the uncoachable things (like drops) work themselves out. For as unremarkable as we've been this year, we're right there. I may be naïve, but I'm still optimistic.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I wonder what someone like Alshon would cost for the Eagles in a trade?

 

[JuniorNB]

I wonder what someone like Alshon would cost for the Eagles in a trade?

Are there rumors that Chicago would deal him?

 

[fred_1_15301]

I wonder what someone like Alshon would cost for the Eagles in a trade?

Are there rumors that Chicago would deal him?

Not that I know of but just wondering what he would cost. The Bears aren't going anywhere for the foreseeable future so I was wondering what would it take to get him? He would instantly upgrade this offense dramatically IMO.

 

[Insein]

I wonder what someone like Alshon would cost for the Eagles in a trade?

Are there rumors that Chicago would deal him?

There were brainstorming sessions on talk radio with the former Bears scout Andre Odem. He was responding to questions if the bears would trade him. That was in week 3. He said probably not.

 

[JuniorNB]

I wonder what someone like Alshon would cost for the Eagles in a trade?

Are there rumors that Chicago would deal him?

There were brainstorming sessions on talk radio with the former Bears scout Andre Odem. He was responding to questions if the bears would trade him. That was in week 3. He said probably not.

they would have to be extremely confident that Kevin White is special for them to trade a stud like Jeffery. But that would be a great catch for the Eagles. Or Martavis Bryant. A young stud whose a big target. Unfortunately, teams don't generally part with them

 

[fred_1_15301]

I wonder what someone like Alshon would cost for the Eagles in a trade?

Are there rumors that Chicago would deal him?

There were brainstorming sessions on talk radio with the former Bears scout Andre Odem. He was responding to questions if the bears would trade him. That was in week 3. He said probably not.

they would have to be extremely confident that Kevin White is special for them to trade a stud like Jeffery. But that would be a great catch for the Eagles. Or Martavis Bryant. A young stud whose a big target. Unfortunately, teams don't generally part with them

Bryant is going anywhere right now because the Steelers are contending for the playoffs. If the Bears feel like they aren't contenders, perhaps they can dangle Alshon. I imagine it would take a giant haul to get him though. Would Alshon instantly put the Eagles as a top 2 or 3 team in the NFC? Perhaps.

 

[GoBirds]

.....TO said he still wants to play.