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*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (5 Viewers)

jurb26 said:
Daniel Jeramiah and Bucky Brooks pretty much blasted Chip on Move The Sticks today. Says he inherited one of the best rosters in the NFL 2 years ago and decimated it. Called his performance to date average (DJ) and arrogant (BB). Said the system worked when they had great players; DJax, McCoy & Maclin.

Also said he does not alter his system to his player strenghts, something I said months ago.
Do you think1) the '12 roster was top-5?

2)Decimated now?

Keep in mind, the roster includes offense, defense and special teams.
Like I said in the previous post I don't think it's vastly worse. Just a bit. Id have to go back and look at rosters from 12 to say where I'd put it. I'm not inclined to spend that kind of time.

I think it's still a good roster because of inheritance on D. Cox/Kendricks are studs.

 
jurb26 said:
Daniel Jeramiah and Bucky Brooks pretty much blasted Chip on Move The Sticks today. Says he inherited one of the best rosters in the NFL 2 years ago and decimated it. Called his performance to date average (DJ) and arrogant (BB). Said the system worked when they had great players; DJax, McCoy & Maclin.

Also said he does not alter his system to his player strenghts, something I said months ago.
Do you think1) the '12 roster was top-5?

2)Decimated now?

Keep in mind, the roster includes offense, defense and special teams.
Like I said in the previous post I don't think it's vastly worse. Just a bit.Id have to go back and look at rosters from 12 to say where I'd put it. I'm not inclined to spend that kind of time.

I think it's still a good roster because of inheritance on D. Cox/Kendricks are studs.
So its safe to say they were wrong in their evaluation?

 
jurb26 said:
Daniel Jeramiah and Bucky Brooks pretty much blasted Chip on Move The Sticks today. Says he inherited one of the best rosters in the NFL 2 years ago and decimated it. Called his performance to date average (DJ) and arrogant (BB). Said the system worked when they had great players; DJax, McCoy & Maclin.

Also said he does not alter his system to his player strenghts, something I said months ago.
Do you think1) the '12 roster was top-5?

2)Decimated now?

Keep in mind, the roster includes offense, defense and special teams.
Like I said in the previous post I don't think it's vastly worse. Just a bit.Id have to go back and look at rosters from 12 to say where I'd put it. I'm not inclined to spend that kind of time.

I think it's still a good roster because of inheritance on D. Cox/Kendricks are studs.
So its safe to say they were wrong in their evaluation?
I don't think it's safe to call anyone's opinion wrong just because I totally agree with it.
 
jurb26 said:
Daniel Jeramiah and Bucky Brooks pretty much blasted Chip on Move The Sticks today. Says he inherited one of the best rosters in the NFL 2 years ago and decimated it. Called his performance to date average (DJ) and arrogant (BB). Said the system worked when they had great players; DJax, McCoy & Maclin.

Also said he does not alter his system to his player strenghts, something I said months ago.
Do you think1) the '12 roster was top-5?

2)Decimated now?

Keep in mind, the roster includes offense, defense and special teams.
Like I said in the previous post I don't think it's vastly worse. Just a bit.Id have to go back and look at rosters from 12 to say where I'd put it. I'm not inclined to spend that kind of time.

I think it's still a good roster because of inheritance on D. Cox/Kendricks are studs.
So its safe to say they were wrong in their evaluation?
I don't think it's safe to call anyone's opinion wrong just because I totally agree with it.
Not to argue, but just a few posts up you were saying they must know talent if they were scouts. Now you're kinda on par with Eagles' fans that in 3 years, Chip didn't take a top 5 roster and decimate it. We agree on that at least no matter what a couple of former scouts say on a podcast.

 
jurb26 said:
Daniel Jeramiah and Bucky Brooks pretty much blasted Chip on Move The Sticks today. Says he inherited one of the best rosters in the NFL 2 years ago and decimated it. Called his performance to date average (DJ) and arrogant (BB). Said the system worked when they had great players; DJax, McCoy & Maclin.

Also said he does not alter his system to his player strenghts, something I said months ago.
Do you think1) the '12 roster was top-5?

2)Decimated now?

Keep in mind, the roster includes offense, defense and special teams.
Like I said in the previous post I don't think it's vastly worse. Just a bit.Id have to go back and look at rosters from 12 to say where I'd put it. I'm not inclined to spend that kind of time.

I think it's still a good roster because of inheritance on D. Cox/Kendricks are studs.
So its safe to say they were wrong in their evaluation?
I don't think it's safe to call anyone's opinion wrong just because I totally agree with it.
Not to argue, but just a few posts up you were saying they must know talent if they were scouts. Now you're kinda on par with Eagles' fans that in 3 years, Chip didn't take a top 5 roster and decimate it. We agree on that at least no matter what a couple of former scouts say on a podcast.
I said I value their opinion. I didn't say whatever it is you're trying to claim here.
 
The offense has gone down in yards per play each season.

Year - Rush, Pass, Total

2013 - (5.1, 8.7, 6.3)

2014 - (4.2, 7.4, 5.6)

2015 - (4, 6.9, 5.3)

Could be people adjusting to Chip or could be personnel.

 
jurb26 said:
Daniel Jeramiah and Bucky Brooks pretty much blasted Chip on Move The Sticks today. Says he inherited one of the best rosters in the NFL 2 years ago and decimated it. Called his performance to date average (DJ) and arrogant (BB). Said the system worked when they had great players; DJax, McCoy & Maclin.

Also said he does not alter his system to his player strenghts, something I said months ago.
Do you think1) the '12 roster was top-5?

2)Decimated now?

Keep in mind, the roster includes offense, defense and special teams.
Like I said in the previous post I don't think it's vastly worse. Just a bit.Id have to go back and look at rosters from 12 to say where I'd put it. I'm not inclined to spend that kind of time.

I think it's still a good roster because of inheritance on D. Cox/Kendricks are studs.
So its safe to say they were wrong in their evaluation?
I don't think it's safe to call anyone's opinion wrong just because I totally agree with it.
Not to argue, but just a few posts up you were saying they must know talent if they were scouts. Now you're kinda on par with Eagles' fans that in 3 years, Chip didn't take a top 5 roster and decimate it. We agree on that at least no matter what a couple of former scouts say on a podcast.
I said I value their opinion. I didn't say whatever it is you're trying to claim here.
:shrug: You posted that 2 former scouts ripped on Chip saying he took a top 5 roster and decimated it. Eagles' fans disagreed; you said that since they're scouts, their opinion must mean something. Seems most of us (you included) agree that statement is pretty much bunk. That's all.

I think most Eagles fans here will dispute Chip inherited a top roster and by comparison, the team may actually have a better roster now or at least pretty close. Sorry if I'm challenging your initial post.

 
The offense has gone down in yards per play each season.

Year - Rush, Pass, Total

2013 - (5.1, 8.7, 6.3)

2014 - (4.2, 7.4, 5.6)

2015 - (4, 6.9, 5.3)

Could be people adjusting to Chip or could be personnel.
You think the WR position might have something to do with that? We all pretty much agree that's a problem. The explosive plays have diminished. We need better than Miles Austin and Riley Cooper. No one to stretch the field.

 
The offense has gone down in yards per play each season.

Year - Rush, Pass, Total

2013 - (5.1, 8.7, 6.3)

2014 - (4.2, 7.4, 5.6)

2015 - (4, 6.9, 5.3)

Could be people adjusting to Chip or could be personnel.
You think the WR position might have something to do with that? We all pretty much agree that's a problem. The explosive plays have diminished. We need better than Miles Austin and Riley Cooper. No one to stretch the field.
Who's fault is that? Chip the GM for getting no one better in here or Chip the coach for not coaching up Huff, Agholar and Matthews?

 
jurb26 said:
Daniel Jeramiah and Bucky Brooks pretty much blasted Chip on Move The Sticks today. Says he inherited one of the best rosters in the NFL 2 years ago and decimated it. Called his performance to date average (DJ) and arrogant (BB). Said the system worked when they had great players; DJax, McCoy & Maclin.

Also said he does not alter his system to his player strenghts, something I said months ago.
Do you think1) the '12 roster was top-5?

2)Decimated now?

Keep in mind, the roster includes offense, defense and special teams.
Like I said in the previous post I don't think it's vastly worse. Just a bit.Id have to go back and look at rosters from 12 to say where I'd put it. I'm not inclined to spend that kind of time.

I think it's still a good roster because of inheritance on D. Cox/Kendricks are studs.
So its safe to say they were wrong in their evaluation?
I don't think it's safe to call anyone's opinion wrong just because I totally agree with it.
Not to argue, but just a few posts up you were saying they must know talent if they were scouts. Now you're kinda on par with Eagles' fans that in 3 years, Chip didn't take a top 5 roster and decimate it. We agree on that at least no matter what a couple of former scouts say on a podcast.
I said I value their opinion. I didn't say whatever it is you're trying to claim here.
:shrug: You posted that 2 former scouts ripped on Chip saying he took a top 5 roster and decimated it. Eagles' fans disagreed; you said that since they're scouts, their opinion must mean something. Seems most of us (you included) agree that statement is pretty much bunk. That's all.I think most Eagles fans here will dispute Chip inherited a top roster and by comparison, the team may actually have a better roster now or at least pretty close. Sorry if I'm challenging your initial post.
You're pretty good at misrepresenting things.
 
jurb26 said:
Daniel Jeramiah and Bucky Brooks pretty much blasted Chip on Move The Sticks today. Says he inherited one of the best rosters in the NFL 2 years ago and decimated it. Called his performance to date average (DJ) and arrogant (BB). Said the system worked when they had great players; DJax, McCoy & Maclin.

Also said he does not alter his system to his player strenghts, something I said months ago.
Do you think1) the '12 roster was top-5?

2)Decimated now?

Keep in mind, the roster includes offense, defense and special teams.
Like I said in the previous post I don't think it's vastly worse. Just a bit.Id have to go back and look at rosters from 12 to say where I'd put it. I'm not inclined to spend that kind of time.

I think it's still a good roster because of inheritance on D. Cox/Kendricks are studs.
So its safe to say they were wrong in their evaluation?
I don't think it's safe to call anyone's opinion wrong just because I totally agree with it.
Not to argue, but just a few posts up you were saying they must know talent if they were scouts. Now you're kinda on par with Eagles' fans that in 3 years, Chip didn't take a top 5 roster and decimate it. We agree on that at least no matter what a couple of former scouts say on a podcast.
I said I value their opinion. I didn't say whatever it is you're trying to claim here.
:shrug: You posted that 2 former scouts ripped on Chip saying he took a top 5 roster and decimated it. Eagles' fans disagreed; you said that since they're scouts, their opinion must mean something. Seems most of us (you included) agree that statement is pretty much bunk. That's all.I think most Eagles fans here will dispute Chip inherited a top roster and by comparison, the team may actually have a better roster now or at least pretty close. Sorry if I'm challenging your initial post.
You're pretty good at misrepresenting things.
What's misrepresented?? They are all your words and posts. You said yourself the team isn't much worse. That's hardly "decimated".

Sorry if I've debunked the theory that Chip has decimated a top 5 roster.

 
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They are not my words. I just passed them along from the podcast. Your not following very well.

 
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The offense has gone down in yards per play each season.

Year - Rush, Pass, Total

2013 - (5.1, 8.7, 6.3)

2014 - (4.2, 7.4, 5.6)

2015 - (4, 6.9, 5.3)

Could be people adjusting to Chip or could be personnel.
You think the WR position might have something to do with that? We all pretty much agree that's a problem. The explosive plays have diminished. We need better than Miles Austin and Riley Cooper. No one to stretch the field.
Who's fault is that? Chip the GM for getting no one better in here or Chip the coach for not coaching up Huff, Agholar and Matthews?
Chip's fault, certainly. I don't know what your point is. No one says the team is perfect. In fact, there are many issues to address.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
jurb26 said:
Daniel Jeramiah and Bucky Brooks pretty much blasted Chip on Move The Sticks today. Says he inherited one of the best rosters in the NFL 2 years ago and decimated it. Called his performance to date average (DJ) and arrogant (BB). Said the system worked when they had great players; DJax, McCoy & Maclin.

Also said he does not alter his system to his player strenghts, something I said months ago.
One of the best rosters is horsesheet

I do agree with the last sentence. I have said it before that hes not the same guy as he was 2 years ago. When he started he would change it up but with every passing year he's actually become more and more stuck in his ways
I think it was certainly a good roster. How good is debatable. Both those guys think it was top 5 and I respect them a good bit. DJ far more than BB. I'd tend to agree.Chip the GM is a fail. Chip the coach might still be capable but his lack of innovation this year is not making me feel good about it. I agree he seemed to do this far better early. Then again, when he had guys like DJax, McCoy and Maclin who could win matchup so simply because they are better than the other guy it's a lot easier.
So you tend to agree Chip inherited a top 5 roster.

Bigboy10182000 said:
jurb26 said:
Daniel Jeramiah and Bucky Brooks pretty much blasted Chip on Move The Sticks today. Says he inherited one of the best rosters in the NFL 2 years ago and decimated it. Called his performance to date average (DJ) and arrogant (BB). Said the system worked when they had great players; DJax, McCoy & Maclin.

Also said he does not alter his system to his player strenghts, something I said months ago.
One of the best rosters is horsesheet

I do agree with the last sentence. I have said it before that hes not the same guy as he was 2 years ago. When he started he would change it up but with every passing year he's actually become more and more stuck in his ways
I think it was certainly a good roster. How good is debatable. Both those guys think it was top 5 and I respect them a good bit. DJ far more than BB. I'd tend to agree.Chip the GM is a fail. Chip the coach might still be capable but his lack of innovation this year is not making me feel good about it. I agree he seemed to do this far better early. Then again, when he had guys like DJax, McCoy and Maclin who could win matchup so simply because they are better than the other guy it's a lot easier.
The roster now is a LOT better than it was when Chip got here. The only position that got worse was WR. So if it was a good roster at that time it's great now....
Oline is way worse. Age and failure to replace has left us with a shell of that 2013 line.
I agree.I don't think the team is significantly less talented, but a bit less. Oline is a critical peice to be weak at.

I really like the front 7 especially. I like it because they have 2 dominant guys in Cox/Kendricks, both inherited from the 12 squad and both who are vastly better now because they were rookies then.
But they're currently only a bit less talented. So are they close to a top 5 roster now? Or just a bit less?

 
jurb26 said:
Daniel Jeramiah and Bucky Brooks pretty much blasted Chip on Move The Sticks today. Says he inherited one of the best rosters in the NFL 2 years ago and decimated it. Called his performance to date average (DJ) and arrogant (BB). Said the system worked when they had great players; DJax, McCoy & Maclin.

Also said he does not alter his system to his player strenghts, something I said months ago.
Maclin was a mistake. Outside of that no one he let go is doing anything. The facts don't support this talking point the haters like.

 
The defensive talent has obviously gotten much better.

The special teams definitely was an upgrade for the first 2 years. This year not so much.

The offensive personnel is worse. OL has gone way downhill. WR are worse (but DJax is a punk!). QB is equal at best. TE is really not that much better. (Celek is older and Ertz has not really made a difference). RB is better.

I don't if people have forgotten what the offense was like in 2013 or what. It was unstoppable a lot of times. The opener against Washington looked like they were playing a high school team (well, maybe they were). Perhaps it was just the novelty and teams adjusted, but that OL personnel combined with speed and elusiveness of McCoy/DJax/Maclin (and even Vick) completely overmatched teams.

Chip has changed the personnel and not been willing to adjust at all and it makes no sense.

But regardless, the roster was in no way top 5 when he took over.

 
Why is everyone pointing to the fact that the people he let go not doing anything this year meaning that it was not a talented roster in 2013. It was obviously highly effective that year, so whether those guys are all great in a vacuum and/or committed the sin of aging, the offensive personnel that he inherited seemed to work great for him.

 
Chip does make little adjustments. The offense is much slower with Bradford and he rarely even shows read option when he's in there now. Hardly anything is downfield whether that's the playcall or the choice Bradford makes its an adjustment. He's catering to Bradfords skillset trying to maximize as best he can. I don't think Chip resigns him if the last two seasons of QB play have shown us anything. He'll keep searching for the one.

 
He's always been an Eagles hater, not worth listening to. A couple scouts tried to make a good TV segments.....fact is that roster won 4 games.

 
The defensive talent has obviously gotten much better.

The special teams definitely was an upgrade for the first 2 years. This year not so much.

The offensive personnel is worse. OL has gone way downhill. WR are worse (but DJax is a punk!). QB is equal at best. TE is really not that much better. (Celek is older and Ertz has not really made a difference). RB is better.

I don't if people have forgotten what the offense was like in 2013 or what. It was unstoppable a lot of times. The opener against Washington looked like they were playing a high school team (well, maybe they were). Perhaps it was just the novelty and teams adjusted, but that OL personnel combined with speed and elusiveness of McCoy/DJax/Maclin (and even Vick) completely overmatched teams.

Chip has changed the personnel and not been willing to adjust at all and it makes no sense.

But regardless, the roster was in no way top 5 when he took over.
Agree about the special teams although I have to believe that has more to do with Parkey getting hurt. At least I hope so. Remember we have a kicker that was on the street week 2 of the season. Parkey was definitely better last year though.

That said, even with a kicker picked up off the street the 2015 ST are still ranked higher than the 2012 ST according to Football Outsiders.

 
The defensive talent has obviously gotten much better.

The special teams definitely was an upgrade for the first 2 years. This year not so much.

The offensive personnel is worse. OL has gone way downhill. WR are worse (but DJax is a punk!). QB is equal at best. TE is really not that much better. (Celek is older and Ertz has not really made a difference). RB is better.

I don't if people have forgotten what the offense was like in 2013 or what. It was unstoppable a lot of times. The opener against Washington looked like they were playing a high school team (well, maybe they were). Perhaps it was just the novelty and teams adjusted, but that OL personnel combined with speed and elusiveness of McCoy/DJax/Maclin (and even Vick) completely overmatched teams.

Chip has changed the personnel and not been willing to adjust at all and it makes no sense.

But regardless, the roster was in no way top 5 when he took over.
Agree about the special teams although I have to believe that has more to do with Parkey getting hurt. At least I hope so. Remember we have a kicker that was on the street week 2 of the season. Parkey was definitely better last year though.That said, even with a kicker picked up off the street the 2015 ST are still ranked higher than the 2012 ST according to Football Outsiders.
I love Parkey don't get me wrong, but they kind of lucked into that one too. He made two 50 yarders in the last preseason game otherwise we were getting Henery back again.

 
He's always been an Eagles hater, not worth listening to. A couple scouts tried to make a good TV segments.....fact is that roster won 4 games.
It's not a TV segment.. Get with it. Then again, you still think I'm a skins fan because of the S. Taylor pic so that might take a while. :lmao:

 
Chip does make little adjustments. The offense is much slower with Bradford and he rarely even shows read option when he's in there now. Hardly anything is downfield whether that's the playcall or the choice Bradford makes its an adjustment. He's catering to Bradfords skillset trying to maximize as best he can. I don't think Chip resigns him if the last two seasons of QB play have shown us anything. He'll keep searching for the one.
Probably fair. And he did start varying tempo and calls more after the first few games when everyone was saying how predictable they were. I guess I would like to see more variety in the game plans and throwing in different looks. Honestly, when he came here, I thought that he was the kind of guy that would be looking for different angles to exploit each week and figure out how to change up in response to that. So that's been disappointing.

 
Chip does make little adjustments. The offense is much slower with Bradford and he rarely even shows read option when he's in there now. Hardly anything is downfield whether that's the playcall or the choice Bradford makes its an adjustment. He's catering to Bradfords skillset trying to maximize as best he can. I don't think Chip resigns him if the last two seasons of QB play have shown us anything. He'll keep searching for the one.
Probably fair. And he did start varying tempo and calls more after the first few games when everyone was saying how predictable they were. I guess I would like to see more variety in the game plans and throwing in different looks. Honestly, when he came here, I thought that he was the kind of guy that would be looking for different angles to exploit each week and figure out how to change up in response to that. So that's been disappointing.
Still waiting for someone, anyone to answer want he doesn't use more 2 TE sets and get presumably his best package on the field? Murray is a fish out of water in that offense. It would be nice to see him run less plays out of shotgun when he's in the game. I thought given his college experience this project would go much smoother. Missed that one.

 
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I still have hope for the future with Chip. This is year 1 of the dismantling. We know its not a finished product, we just had such high hopes after trading for a QB, drafting a WR in round 1 and the showing in preseason. And its probably still a .500 team. Add a QB, a deep threat WR and shore up the O-line and the 2016 team has to be an improvement.

My ever-optimistic outlook.

 
I still have hope for the future with Chip. This is year 1 of the dismantling. We know its not a finished product, we just had such high hopes after trading for a QB, drafting a WR in round 1 and the showing in preseason. And its probably still a .500 team. Add a QB, a deep threat WR and shore up the O-line and the 2016 team has to be an improvement.

My ever-optimistic outlook.
Why would year 3 of his tenure be year 1 of the dismantling?

Maybe he and Hinkie will be here for 100 years.

 
I still have hope for the future with Chip. This is year 1 of the dismantling. We know its not a finished product, we just had such high hopes after trading for a QB, drafting a WR in round 1 and the showing in preseason. And its probably still a .500 team. Add a QB, a deep threat WR and shore up the O-line and the 2016 team has to be an improvement.

My ever-optimistic outlook.
Why would year 3 of his tenure be year 1 of the dismantling?

Maybe he and Hinkie will be here for 100 years.
Um, this is the 1st year of GM Chip and the "purge".

 
Back when 2013 mattered Deamon https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/665215-the-nick-foles-era/page-6#entry15648385

Chip took over a playoff caliber team. He reallocated most of the assets and payed up for "system/culture" fits. Now we're here.

Sanchez couldn't have picked a better time to win over Philly fans. He gets TB and Det. They've combined for 33TD-10ints. He's still Mark Sanchez, but the enthusiasm is much needed. He might even do well. You can definitely see his eyes looking for Matthews first before he makes reads. We'll see if Matthews can actually catch for sure.

I think Kelly stubbornly stands by Bradford, even if Sanchez plays decent. But, if Bradford is benched what's next for him? Do you think he walks away from it all if he's not getting promised a job and starter money? Outside of the Dallas game, I've seen no sign of life from the guy.

 
I get the purge and like many have said, Chip winning 10 games and going to the playoffs year one was actually a bad thing since it completely shifted expectations. But he set those lofty expectations with an innovative offense that hummed. Remember the snow game? The 7 Td game? That was fun and exciting. Dallas for the division? Dallas on Thanksgiving? 27-0 NYG? What can we point to this year that comes anywhere close to those moments?

 
I get the purge and like many have said, Chip winning 10 games and going to the playoffs year one was actually a bad thing since it completely shifted expectations. But he set those lofty expectations with an innovative offense that hummed. Remember the snow game? The 7 Td game? That was fun and exciting. Dallas for the division? Dallas on Thanksgiving? 27-0 NYG? What can we point to this year that comes anywhere close to those moments?
Foles was benched

 
I get the purge and like many have said, Chip winning 10 games and going to the playoffs year one was actually a bad thing since it completely shifted expectations. But he set those lofty expectations with an innovative offense that hummed. Remember the snow game? The 7 Td game? That was fun and exciting. Dallas for the division? Dallas on Thanksgiving? 27-0 NYG? What can we point to this year that comes anywhere close to those moments?
Foles was benched
TD to beat Dallas in OT, scoring 27 straight on MNF against the Giants.

And Foles was benched.

 
Keep in mind, the roster includes offense, defense and special teams.
Like I said in the previous post I don't think it's vastly worse. Just a bit.Id have to go back and look at rosters from 12 to say where I'd put it. I'm not inclined to spend that kind of time.

I think it's still a good roster because of inheritance on D. Cox/Kendricks are studs.
So its safe to say they were wrong in their evaluation?
I don't think it's safe to call anyone's opinion wrong just because I totally agree with it.
Not to argue, but just a few posts up you were saying they must know talent if they were scouts. Now you're kinda on par with Eagles' fans that in 3 years, Chip didn't take a top 5 roster and decimate it. We agree on that at least no matter what a couple of former scouts say on a podcast.
I said I value their opinion. I didn't say whatever it is you're trying to claim here.
:shrug: You posted that 2 former scouts ripped on Chip saying he took a top 5 roster and decimated it. Eagles' fans disagreed; you said that since they're scouts, their opinion must mean something. Seems most of us (you included) agree that statement is pretty much bunk. That's all.I think most Eagles fans here will dispute Chip inherited a top roster and by comparison, the team may actually have a better roster now or at least pretty close. Sorry if I'm challenging your initial post.
You're pretty good at misrepresenting things.
Late to the party, but jurb you are definitely the one is misrepresenting things here. I don't know why you're having trouble following Amused's posts. Follow close:

You just said a few posts up that you AGREED with what they said.

Therefore, you AGREE that the EAGLES HAD a top 5 talented team.

Therefore, you ALSO AGREE that the Eagles have a "decimated" roster now (nowhere near a top 5 team)

You also said a few posts up that the roster is "NOT THAT MUCH LESS TALENTED THEN IT WAS".

Therefore, if you agree with those ex scouts that we went from Top 5 to WAY down the ranks (decimated the roster), then it's not possible to also claim that we are "only a little bit" less talented.

Trying to argue two sides of the coin here and you're looking foolish telling someone THEY'RE the one who isn't following.

 
Why is everyone pointing to the fact that the people he let go not doing anything this year meaning that it was not a talented roster in 2013. It was obviously highly effective that year, so whether those guys are all great in a vacuum and/or committed the sin of aging, the offensive personnel that he inherited seemed to work great for him.
Because we have no other thing to base it on. There is also a very good possibility (That you're not allowing to be a possibility) that the players would have regressed had they stayed on the Eagles team. Some players have great years for a team, and then the next year their numbers go down. The fact that these players' numbers have gone down once they've left Philly aren't ALWAYS because they're just in a new situation and not EVERY player would have continued or improved the next year under the same system.

So Foles had a great year in 2013. He didn't in 2014. He's awful in another situation in 2015, but he could have also been awful under Chip's system again in 2015. Stop trying to twist everything into this hindsight, "shoulda, woulda, coulda", "I can outcoach/out GM Chip Kelly" stuff. You know who true fans are when you see them come out from hiding after losses to bash the team, but don't stay and celebrate the wins.

It's also tough to be impartial when the other side isn't. You know DAMN well, that if Foles or Maclin or Desean tore up the league when they left, there would be those same people posting the stats of those players on their new teams and how well they're doing. But we can't make the comparison when it doesn't fit their agenda? If it's apples to oranges when it promotes Chip making a good decision, it can't be apples to apples when it promotes Chip making a bad one.

 
And all this Chip the GM crap needs to chill a little. The guy hasn't even had a full season as the GM yet.
Yes but you know he's had major decision making privelegs since he got here. I could maybe give Howie some credit/blame but too many picks are uncharasteric of Howie. Has Chips finger prints all over it. I.E. Marcus Smith.

 
I get the purge and like many have said, Chip winning 10 games and going to the playoffs year one was actually a bad thing since it completely shifted expectations. But he set those lofty expectations with an innovative offense that hummed. Remember the snow game? The 7 Td game? That was fun and exciting. Dallas for the division? Dallas on Thanksgiving? 27-0 NYG? What can we point to this year that comes anywhere close to those moments?
Foles was benched
TD to beat Dallas in OT, scoring 27 straight on MNF against the Giants.

And Foles was benched.
Can't say I was too thrilled going OT w Cassell.
 
Late to the party, but jurb you are definitely the one is misrepresenting things here. I don't know why you're having trouble following Amused's posts. Follow close:

You just said a few posts up that you AGREED with what they said.
Wrong, I said I "tend" to agree with them. You've carried out a lot of assumptions based on misrepresenting that first thing. I also rather clearly said in my post "how good is debatable" in reference to the 12' roster. I never made claims for where I'd rank that roster. Even if that wasn't clear early on, I gave my more specific opinion on the roster several times. There is no reason to keep giving it. It's really not a that difficult a thing to understand. I agree with the notion that he inherited a good team and it's worse now. I agree with the premise but not every detail.

Of course he tried so say the podcast words were mine, which was a terrible misrepresentation.

He also tried to claim I said because they were scouts they must know talent. Even though I tend to agree with that statement, I never made it. I can respect their evaluations and not agree with all of them. I simply said I value their opinion and then asked if others did as well. I mean these guys did work in the NFL for like 20 years combined. We seem to get a lot of the snarky "why would I listen to some internet board guy" comments thrown around in threads. Of course some of the very people that throw those comments out are now disregarding these sources, who are clearly more than just internet guys.

 
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The Eagles would be good if the just ran with Sanchez and picked one RB and went with him. I know they both cost money, but bite the bullet and pick one to be the horse. Less is more.

 
WR Chris Matthews cut by Seattle today.

Should be a no-brainer to claim him and dump Austin.
You think Chip has the time to be head coach of a team in must win games and scour FA and practice squads for talent right now? And prep for 2016 draft and FA while you're at it. There's a number of WR's floating around that's worth a look. I don't think anything will happen. Austin just has to execute

 
The Eagles would be good if the just ran with Sanchez and picked one RB and went with him. I know they both cost money, but bite the bullet and pick one to be the horse. Less is more.
the Eagles already picked Murray to be the horse. He's getting 24 to 28 touches a game and has been very successful. Mathews can't be more than a change of pace back because he's way too fragile. He's already been nicked up a couple times and is only seeing limited touches. Also, I'd Sanchez gets this offense firing on all cylinders for the next game or two, I don't think anyone here would be opposed to sticking with him. And since Chip wants to win, I'm sure he'd feel the same.

 

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