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*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (2 Viewers)

I honestly don't know how much Sproles has left.
He looked pretty good on that td rec. But what do I know
They said that about Sproles since he left SD....the guy is amazing.
He also pretty much won us the nyj game. I don't know how he isn't a major part of the gameplan. Every week. Not just throwing to him on 3rd and long either.
Because in between the big play he goes for 1 to 2 yards. Even on punt returns he doesn't seem to have the escapability lately. Idk, I feel like TD yesterday was just a product of having 3 blockers ahead of him with a full head of steam. Maybe I'm over thinking it.

 
I don't want to hear one more clown come in here and say "McCoy is done." Murray can't carry Shady's jock.

What a disaster. Making a guy miss isn't "scheme." That's called talent Chip.

And by the way, I've had enough of Kiko with the flowing locks and neatly tailored jerseys to show off his slim midsection. Dude looks like some inmates twink.

Can't believe I'm watching this Monday night game and getting re-re-pissed off.

 
I don't want to hear one more clown come in here and say "McCoy is done." Murray can't carry Shady's jock.

What a disaster. Making a guy miss isn't "scheme." That's called talent Chip.

And by the way, I've had enough of Kiko with the flowing locks and neatly tailored jerseys to show off his slim midsection. Dude looks like some inmates twink.

Can't believe I'm watching this Monday night game and getting re-re-pissed off.
Here we go again....hahaha. he has put up stats the last couple weeks but was a no show for the 1st 2 months, can't stay on the field. Even worse that Mathews.

Does anyone think Barner could be a future contributer?

 
I don't want to hear one more clown come in here and say "McCoy is done." Murray can't carry Shady's jock.

What a disaster. Making a guy miss isn't "scheme." That's called talent Chip.

And by the way, I've had enough of Kiko with the flowing locks and neatly tailored jerseys to show off his slim midsection. Dude looks like some inmates twink.

Can't believe I'm watching this Monday night game and getting re-re-pissed off.
Here we go again....hahaha. he has put up stats the last couple weeks but was a no show for the 1st 2 months, can't stay on the field. Even worse that Mathews. Does anyone think Barner could be a future contributer?
Guys been one of the most durable backs in the game.Only RB with 300 carries last two years. You're mistaken boss.

 
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I don't want to hear one more clown come in here and say "McCoy is done." Murray can't carry Shady's jock.

What a disaster. Making a guy miss isn't "scheme." That's called talent Chip.

And by the way, I've had enough of Kiko with the flowing locks and neatly tailored jerseys to show off his slim midsection. Dude looks like some inmates twink.

Can't believe I'm watching this Monday night game and getting re-re-pissed off.
Here we go again....hahaha. he has put up stats the last couple weeks but was a no show for the 1st 2 months, can't stay on the field. Even worse that Mathews. Does anyone think Barner could be a future contributer?
Guys been one of the most durable backs in the game.Only RB with 300 carries last two years. You're mistaken boss.
Not this year...boss.

 
and Kiko has been a letdown, but my guess is he came back way too early from his injury, and probably shouldn't be in there a whole lot. i remember when he was injured there was a lot of talk that he might be done for the year. with Hicks and others going down my guess is he is trying to gut out when he can, knowing he is nowhere near 100%

 
I don't think McCoy was done but he was trending down in terms of RB career. For the price he was too much to keep. We got what we could for him and Kiko just hasn't panned out. I would have preferred going RB in the draft to signing Murray or Gore though. Mathews and Rookie splitting 50/50 would have freed up cash for Maclin also. So many ways they could have gone.

 
Now that we're a few days removed, I do think they come out guns blazing on Thanksgiving. Detorit might be feeling themselves a small bit after remembering how to barely win. The Eagles were once again embarrassed at home. Last time that happened they showed up for a half in NY. I think that's enough for a 26-15 win in Detroit.

 
Now that we're a few days removed, I do think they come out guns blazing on Thanksgiving. Detorit might be feeling themselves a small bit after remembering how to barely win. The Eagles were once again embarrassed at home. Last time that happened they showed up for a half in NY. I think that's enough for a 26-15 win in Detroit.
They can come out guns blazing all they want but at this point you have to wonder how many teams are they even more talented than. I don't think they are more talented than Detroit and the bottom line in the NFL is that talent wins games. I thought the defense was a bright spot but not so sure anymore. They've given up too many long , sustained drives to bad QBs. The offense is a hot mess in just about every facet. But it is the NFL so expect the unexpected I guess.

 
Now that we're a few days removed, I do think they come out guns blazing on Thanksgiving. Detorit might be feeling themselves a small bit after remembering how to barely win. The Eagles were once again embarrassed at home. Last time that happened they showed up for a half in NY. I think that's enough for a 26-15 win in Detroit.
They can come out guns blazing all they want but at this point you have to wonder how many teams are they even more talented than. I don't think they are more talented than Detroit and the bottom line in the NFL is that talent wins games. I thought the defense was a bright spot but not so sure anymore. They've given up too many long , sustained drives to bad QBs. The offense is a hot mess in just about every facet. But it is the NFL so expect the unexpected I guess.
On defense, Everyone except for the superstars are about on the same level. Our defense has enough talent. They happened to have an off game. I expect them to be hearing all week how awful they played. If they have any pride as a man, they'll kick ### Thursday.

Offensively we are injured and lacking in talent. Still I think they do enough to beat a pretty bad Detroit team that was riding the slight high firing the GM gave.

 
Now that we're a few days removed, I do think they come out guns blazing on Thanksgiving. Detorit might be feeling themselves a small bit after remembering how to barely win. The Eagles were once again embarrassed at home. Last time that happened they showed up for a half in NY. I think that's enough for a 26-15 win in Detroit.
They can come out guns blazing all they want but at this point you have to wonder how many teams are they even more talented than. I don't think they are more talented than Detroit and the bottom line in the NFL is that talent wins games. I thought the defense was a bright spot but not so sure anymore. They've given up too many long , sustained drives to bad QBs. The offense is a hot mess in just about every facet. But it is the NFL so expect the unexpected I guess.
On defense, Everyone except for the superstars are about on the same level. Our defense has enough talent. They happened to have an off game. I expect them to be hearing all week how awful they played. If they have any pride as a man, they'll kick ### Thursday.

Offensively we are injured and lacking in talent. Still I think they do enough to beat a pretty bad Detroit team that was riding the slight high firing the GM gave.
The Eagles matchup well vs Det IMO. Their defensive front will give Det's oline fits all game. Still, Det is simply playing better football right now. Plus, they are at home. I'd give a small edge to Det. An important note about the game could be the health of D. Slay. I'm not sure of his status but know he got hurt this week. He's been a top 5 CB since week 4. If he's not in for Det, the Eagles have a great shot.

 
Looks like Hicks doing pretty well, and will be ready for a full offseason participating in team activities.

HICKS OFFERS REHAB UPDATE

In his first time speaking with the media since suffering a season-ending pectoral injury against the Cowboys, Jordan Hicks provided a number of updates on his condition and how his rehab is progressing.

Hicks, who had surgery the Wednesday after the win against Dallas, said doctors told him the rehab process will likely take three months, which lines up with what Najee Goode recently told Birds 24/7.

Goode, who was placed on injured reserve before the 2014 season began with a similar injury, said he felt fully recovered and able to play by December, which was three months after he suffered his injury early in September.

Hicks said Goode was one of the first people he talked to after learning his prognosis. For his part, Hicks has been able to participate in portions of practices and be involved in team meetings.

"I've been doing some cardio, just got off the StairMaster," Hicks said. "I think next week we're going to work some off-shoulder, off-arm stuff. We're just progressing, taking it slow."

This is Hicks' third season-ending injury of his football career, after suffering a hip injury and a torn achilles during his time at Texas.

He said this injury has been the least painful one to deal with, and his previous injuries prepared him for how to deal with the mental aspect of a season-ending injury.

"It's a lot different, because I've been through a lot worse," Hicks said. "Something like this, where there's really no pain, I can still move around, I'm still active out there on the practice field, and I still get an opportunity to learn, it's a lot different."

Since Hicks' departure, the Eagles have lost two straight games and been gouged on the ground to the tune of 382 yards.

Hicks, who was a cornerstone of the Eagles' linebacking corps when healthy this season, said it's been difficult to watch his teammates get shredded on the ground.

"It's tough to watch," Hicks said. "Obviously everybody feels they can make an impact, but I've got full confidence in our guys, and I believe they're going to get everything fixed. We've got good-character guys who can play at a high level. It's just about execution."
 
Any word on Bradford's chances of playing Thursday?
I heard Jeff Mclane on a sports radio show this morning saying about 95% chance Sanchez will be starting. Even though Bradford might have been cleared by the neurologist, the shoulder is still an issue. On a short week of rest, Mclane doesn't think Bradford will be ready.

 
Practice today at 1030, with both coordinators talking to the media beforehand. Should get a better read on Sam's health. At least we know he's out of concussion protocol, in meetings, throwing with helmet on in team drills, etc.

Mathews looking very unlikely to go, still in the concussion protocol Monday. Needs to be out there today to have a chance IMO. The whole offense is better when he's in the RB rotation, obviously.

Ertz isn't going to be available, so more Trey Burton in 2 TE sets, Celek playing the bulk of the game.

DeMeco....isn't right. He does not look the same at all since returning. Alonso swears he's ok, but also, doesn't look like he did v. ATL in Week 1.

Lots of chatter about Huff getting only 14 snaps and not a single target after his TD, while Cooper and Austin played significant snaps. Chip referenced no personnel changes in a short week, so unlikely to change. Chip's explanation was that Agholor and Huff rotate on the one side, while Austin and Cooper rotate on the other. Like to see an Agholor/Huff tandem with Matthews in the slot. Have to play the young 1/2/3 round picks over Cooper and Austin, but no changes appear imminent.

 
Practice today at 1030, with both coordinators talking to the media beforehand. Should get a better read on Sam's health. At least we know he's out of concussion protocol, in meetings, throwing with helmet on in team drills, etc.

Mathews looking very unlikely to go, still in the concussion protocol Monday. Needs to be out there today to have a chance IMO. The whole offense is better when he's in the RB rotation, obviously.

Ertz isn't going to be available, so more Trey Burton in 2 TE sets, Celek playing the bulk of the game.

DeMeco....isn't right. He does not look the same at all since returning. Alonso swears he's ok, but also, doesn't look like he did v. ATL in Week 1.

Lots of chatter about Huff getting only 14 snaps and not a single target after his TD, while Cooper and Austin played significant snaps. Chip referenced no personnel changes in a short week, so unlikely to change. Chip's explanation was that Agholor and Huff rotate on the one side, while Austin and Cooper rotate on the other. Like to see an Agholor/Huff tandem with Matthews in the slot. Have to play the young 1/2/3 round picks over Cooper and Austin, but no changes appear imminent.
good analysis. I agree with all that. Bradford and Mathews are huge losses. At least if Mathews could play, it would help the running game and take some pressure off of Sanchez. I always predict a score each week, and I really hope I'm wrong, but I see it as 24-13 Lions

 
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I went back through the numbers, Chip Kelly's record without Nick Foles is a complete joke. I thought I'd be more pissed at him being benched, but I'm not. This is typical of the NFL/media.

Foles 15-4 winning record(78.95%), threw for 40TD/12INTs, nearly set NFL effectncy records in 2013, won a division and a probowl MVP, 90 career QB rate and didn't get sacked much with an awful Oline

Without Foles Chip's QBs are 9-15(37.5%), 32TD/32INTs, and 1-8 record vs winning teams(Foles was 4-1).

Kids career is basically over, and Chip is back to being mocked like he was before Foles. I would normally write a whole article, but the numbers don't support any other argument for two second.
Take it to the Foles thread. He's a joke
Shameless bump(with updates!). Foles is hated so much that something like this isn't even worth reporting. Chip actually looks brilliant for trading the guy who won 78.95% of his games and we're cool with the results. In less games, Foles has 8 more TDs and 20 less picks. Chip would probably be worth firing by now if his teams performance w/o Foles held up over 3 seasons. What a joke

 
Any word on Bradford's chances of playing Thursday?
Listening to Shurmur right now, this was the first question asked (which QB will be starting). Said 'One of them' and 'We won't learn anything new today as it's just a walkthrough.'

Said tomorrow is a full practice and then travel, will see who is healthy at that point. Cleared from concussion protocol but 'we'll see what (Bradford) can do.'

On the bright side, being able to participate in the walkthrough is a plus. No Mathews, still not cleared to participate in any activity, not even meetings.

 
I went back through the numbers, Chip Kelly's record without Nick Foles is a complete joke. I thought I'd be more pissed at him being benched, but I'm not. This is typical of the NFL/media.

Foles 15-4 winning record(78.95%), threw for 40TD/12INTs, nearly set NFL effectncy records in 2013, won a division and a probowl MVP, 90 career QB rate and didn't get sacked much with an awful Oline

Without Foles Chip's QBs are 9-15(37.5%), 32TD/32INTs, and 1-8 record vs winning teams(Foles was 4-1).

Kids career is basically over, and Chip is back to being mocked like he was before Foles. I would normally write a whole article, but the numbers don't support any other argument for two second.
Take it to the Foles thread. He's a joke
Shameless bump(with updates!). Foles is hated so much that something like this isn't even worth reporting. Chip actually looks brilliant for trading the guy who won 78.95% of his games and we're cool with the results.In less games, Foles has 8 more TDs and 20 less picks. Chip would probably be worth firing by now if his teams performance w/o Foles held up over 3 seasons. What a joke
LOL Still on the Foles kick, huh? Talk about being a joke.

The guy was so horrible in St Louis that the Rams would rather play a concussed Keenum than put him back in. Was listening to NFL Network last week and they said that Foles' QB play this year was far and away the worst in the league. But feel free to still cry about him being traded away. And the Rams are on the hook for 25 million over two years! Ouch

 
I know I shouldn't poke the bear, but it's too much fun:

2015 QB MVP Candidates:

Tom Brady: 66.3% Comp Pct., 25 TDs, 4 Ints, 8.1 Y/A, 107.4 QB rating, 2 Rushing TDs

Cam Newton: 56.9% Comp Pct., 20 TDs, 9 Ints, 7.5 Y/A, 90.1 QB rating, 6 Rushing TDs

Carson Palmer: 64.0% Comp Pct., 27 TDs, 9Ints, 9.0 Y/A, 108.6 QB rating, 0 Rushing TDs

Mystery 2013 QB with 10 starts: 64.0% Comp Pct., 27 TDs, 2 Ints, 9.1 Y/A, 119.2 QB rating, 3 Rushing TDs

That season was ridiculously good.

 
I went back through the numbers, Chip Kelly's record without Nick Foles is a complete joke. I thought I'd be more pissed at him being benched, but I'm not. This is typical of the NFL/media.

Foles 15-4 winning record(78.95%), threw for 40TD/12INTs, nearly set NFL effectncy records in 2013, won a division and a probowl MVP, 90 career QB rate and didn't get sacked much with an awful Oline

Without Foles Chip's QBs are 9-15(37.5%), 32TD/32INTs, and 1-8 record vs winning teams(Foles was 4-1).

Kids career is basically over, and Chip is back to being mocked like he was before Foles. I would normally write a whole article, but the numbers don't support any other argument for two second.
Take it to the Foles thread. He's a joke
Shameless bump(with updates!). Foles is hated so much that something like this isn't even worth reporting. Chip actually looks brilliant for trading the guy who won 78.95% of his games and we're cool with the results.In less games, Foles has 8 more TDs and 20 less picks. Chip would probably be worth firing by now if his teams performance w/o Foles held up over 3 seasons. What a joke
I'd be interested in the article you mention, however, it must include the supporting cast each QB had. The skill position players Foles had were far superior than what the other QB's have had. Same with the OL as well. Foles also had the element of surprise with it being Kelly's first season and teams not knowing what to expect. Love or hate Foles, he had a sheet ton going for him when he broke out

If anything, you need to knock Kelly for dismissing the need for skill players IMHO

 
I went back through the numbers, Chip Kelly's record without Nick Foles is a complete joke. I thought I'd be more pissed at him being benched, but I'm not. This is typical of the NFL/media.

Foles 15-4 winning record(78.95%), threw for 40TD/12INTs, nearly set NFL effectncy records in 2013, won a division and a probowl MVP, 90 career QB rate and didn't get sacked much with an awful Oline

Without Foles Chip's QBs are 9-15(37.5%), 32TD/32INTs, and 1-8 record vs winning teams(Foles was 4-1).

Kids career is basically over, and Chip is back to being mocked like he was before Foles. I would normally write a whole article, but the numbers don't support any other argument for two second.
Take it to the Foles thread. He's a joke
Shameless bump(with updates!). Foles is hated so much that something like this isn't even worth reporting. Chip actually looks brilliant for trading the guy who won 78.95% of his games and we're cool with the results.In less games, Foles has 8 more TDs and 20 less picks. Chip would probably be worth firing by now if his teams performance w/o Foles held up over 3 seasons. What a joke
I'd be interested in the article you mention, however, it must include the supporting cast each QB had. The skill position players Foles had were far superior than what the other QB's have had. Same with the OL as well. Foles also had the element of surprise with it being Kelly's first season and teams not knowing what to expect. Love or hate Foles, he had a sheet ton going for him when he broke out

If anything, you need to knock Kelly for dismissing the need for skill players IMHO
You hit the nail on the head. Teams got a year to study both Foles and Kelly's offense. McCoy was still playing great. Cooper had his career year. Everything seemed to work in our favor. Getting upset at home in the playoffs kind of sucked, but I remember how psyched I was going into 2014. Until we fell behind Jacksonville 24-0(or whatever it was) on opening day. Foles never looked the same. Nor did Chip's offense. And McCoy declined a great deal from the year before.
 
In Coach Caldwell's presser, the mentioned one of the challenges with preparing for the Eagles is their offense is schematically different from any other team in the league. Now I know people (deservedly) don't hold JC in high regard, but I found that interesting. He said with every other team in the league, without exception, there's a lot of overlap in the respective playbooks. Everyone has the same base plays they draw upon. They might disguise it with the formation or how they motion, but at the end of the day, it's not nearly as complicated as some make it out to be. But Chip Kelly's offense is unique.

What to make of that? Obviously there have been a lot of issues this year with how effective the O-line and QB have performed. They don't seem to ever have the ability to sustain drives or control the clock. Everything seems frenetic and disjointed (I don't watch every Philly game, these are just my general impressions.) When things are going well, there have been times the last couple years where the Eagles just boat raced the other team. It's rare, but it's happened, and it makes you feel like "wow, this team could be amazing!" But it doesn't seem sustainable. I see a lot of complaining about Chip, his personnel decisions, how other teams have figured him out, etc. But I was wondering if you guys who watch them all the time can dissect what is right and what is wrong about Kelly's offense?

Is it really schematically different? Do they just not have the right personnel to make it work? What's the general feeling on Kelly's long term prognosis? Is he going to bail, or see this through? Do you think eventually they'll work out the kinks and become a powerhouse offense? Or is it too gimmicky and more likely to succeed at the FBS level but not in the NFL?

 
In Coach Caldwell's presser, the mentioned one of the challenges with preparing for the Eagles is their offense is schematically different from any other team in the league. Now I know people (deservedly) don't hold JC in high regard, but I found that interesting. He said with every other team in the league, without exception, there's a lot of overlap in the respective playbooks. Everyone has the same base plays they draw upon. They might disguise it with the formation or how they motion, but at the end of the day, it's not nearly as complicated as some make it out to be. But Chip Kelly's offense is unique.

What to make of that? Obviously there have been a lot of issues this year with how effective the O-line and QB have performed. They don't seem to ever have the ability to sustain drives or control the clock. Everything seems frenetic and disjointed (I don't watch every Philly game, these are just my general impressions.) When things are going well, there have been times the last couple years where the Eagles just boat raced the other team. It's rare, but it's happened, and it makes you feel like "wow, this team could be amazing!" But it doesn't seem sustainable. I see a lot of complaining about Chip, his personnel decisions, how other teams have figured him out, etc. But I was wondering if you guys who watch them all the time can dissect what is right and what is wrong about Kelly's offense?

Is it really schematically different? Do they just not have the right personnel to make it work? What's the general feeling on Kelly's long term prognosis? Is he going to bail, or see this through? Do you think eventually they'll work out the kinks and become a powerhouse offense? Or is it too gimmicky and more likely to succeed at the FBS level but not in the NFL?
I think that one of the problems with Chip's 2015 offense is that Bradford is no threat to run, whatsoever. Back when Vick ran it, and even Foles to some extent, the first move was always the handoff to McCoy. But defenses couldn't overreact because the QB could pull it back and run himself. It gave the defense two things to be leery of right off the bat. Of course, the QB could also pull back the handoff and throw downfield. So each play came with three options. That's a lot to defend. This year, teams only have to defend two options. Handoff or play action pass.

 
In Coach Caldwell's presser, the mentioned one of the challenges with preparing for the Eagles is their offense is schematically different from any other team in the league. Now I know people (deservedly) don't hold JC in high regard, but I found that interesting. He said with every other team in the league, without exception, there's a lot of overlap in the respective playbooks. Everyone has the same base plays they draw upon. They might disguise it with the formation or how they motion, but at the end of the day, it's not nearly as complicated as some make it out to be. But Chip Kelly's offense is unique.

What to make of that? Obviously there have been a lot of issues this year with how effective the O-line and QB have performed. They don't seem to ever have the ability to sustain drives or control the clock. Everything seems frenetic and disjointed (I don't watch every Philly game, these are just my general impressions.) When things are going well, there have been times the last couple years where the Eagles just boat raced the other team. It's rare, but it's happened, and it makes you feel like "wow, this team could be amazing!" But it doesn't seem sustainable. I see a lot of complaining about Chip, his personnel decisions, how other teams have figured him out, etc. But I was wondering if you guys who watch them all the time can dissect what is right and what is wrong about Kelly's offense?

Is it really schematically different? Do they just not have the right personnel to make it work? What's the general feeling on Kelly's long term prognosis? Is he going to bail, or see this through? Do you think eventually they'll work out the kinks and become a powerhouse offense? Or is it too gimmicky and more likely to succeed at the FBS level but not in the NFL?
It all depends if he learns from his mistakes....which is usually the difference between an average coach and a great one. Kelly is supposed to be an offensive guy...well, how does an offensive guy neglect the playmakers like he has over the course of 2 seasons? If he learns from this year and gets a true target, one that teams have to account for, the offense will show back up. As much as I agreed with letting Jackson go, he made it a lot easier for other guys to get better opportunities. Who do we have that does that now? As an outside fan looking in, who do you see on our offense that you have to game plan for? Who is the threat to score from 50-60? Who is the guy that will crush you in a drive with 4-5 catches? We just don't have that guy at all. Riley Cooper is a starting WR on our team and just this past Sunday caught his first pass since 10/19/15. How is that possible in today's NFL?

It's bad enough that we don't have an elite QB like Brady or Wilson who can make average targets better...we have an average QB with bottom 3-5 NFL weapons. You cant have that and expect to succeed. He's either going to fix it or continue to jam that square peg into the round hole.

 
In Coach Caldwell's presser, the mentioned one of the challenges with preparing for the Eagles is their offense is schematically different from any other team in the league. Now I know people (deservedly) don't hold JC in high regard, but I found that interesting. He said with every other team in the league, without exception, there's a lot of overlap in the respective playbooks. Everyone has the same base plays they draw upon. They might disguise it with the formation or how they motion, but at the end of the day, it's not nearly as complicated as some make it out to be. But Chip Kelly's offense is unique.

What to make of that? Obviously there have been a lot of issues this year with how effective the O-line and QB have performed. They don't seem to ever have the ability to sustain drives or control the clock. Everything seems frenetic and disjointed (I don't watch every Philly game, these are just my general impressions.) When things are going well, there have been times the last couple years where the Eagles just boat raced the other team. It's rare, but it's happened, and it makes you feel like "wow, this team could be amazing!" But it doesn't seem sustainable. I see a lot of complaining about Chip, his personnel decisions, how other teams have figured him out, etc. But I was wondering if you guys who watch them all the time can dissect what is right and what is wrong about Kelly's offense?

Is it really schematically different? Do they just not have the right personnel to make it work? What's the general feeling on Kelly's long term prognosis? Is he going to bail, or see this through? Do you think eventually they'll work out the kinks and become a powerhouse offense? Or is it too gimmicky and more likely to succeed at the FBS level but not in the NFL?
It all depends if he learns from his mistakes....which is usually the difference between an average coach and a great one. Kelly is supposed to be an offensive guy...well, how does an offensive guy neglect the playmakers like he has over the course of 2 seasons? If he learns from this year and gets a true target, one that teams have to account for, the offense will show back up. As much as I agreed with letting Jackson go, he made it a lot easier for other guys to get better opportunities. Who do we have that does that now? As an outside fan looking in, who do you see on our offense that you have to game plan for? Who is the threat to score from 50-60? Who is the guy that will crush you in a drive with 4-5 catches? We just don't have that guy at all. Riley Cooper is a starting WR on our team and just this past Sunday caught his first pass since 10/19/15. How is that possible in today's NFL?

It's bad enough that we don't have an elite QB like Brady or Wilson who can make average targets better...we have an average QB with bottom 3-5 NFL weapons. You cant have that and expect to succeed. He's either going to fix it or continue to jam that square peg into the round hole.
Agree with everything you said here except your choice of naming Wilson an elite quarterback. He's come crashing down to earth this season. His skillset would be a nice fit in Chip's offense, but I don't believe he's even a top ten NFL quarterback. Even Brady looked average last night when he was under pressure and without a lot of great targets. I would think having Edelman and Dion Lewis, would make Bradford and the offense look much better than it has. Just like it made New England and Brady look much better. It sucks to realize that we had Dion Lewis and let him go. Although that was Reid and not Kelly.

 
In Coach Caldwell's presser, the mentioned one of the challenges with preparing for the Eagles is their offense is schematically different from any other team in the league. Now I know people (deservedly) don't hold JC in high regard, but I found that interesting. He said with every other team in the league, without exception, there's a lot of overlap in the respective playbooks. Everyone has the same base plays they draw upon. They might disguise it with the formation or how they motion, but at the end of the day, it's not nearly as complicated as some make it out to be. But Chip Kelly's offense is unique.

What to make of that? Obviously there have been a lot of issues this year with how effective the O-line and QB have performed. They don't seem to ever have the ability to sustain drives or control the clock. Everything seems frenetic and disjointed (I don't watch every Philly game, these are just my general impressions.) When things are going well, there have been times the last couple years where the Eagles just boat raced the other team. It's rare, but it's happened, and it makes you feel like "wow, this team could be amazing!" But it doesn't seem sustainable. I see a lot of complaining about Chip, his personnel decisions, how other teams have figured him out, etc. But I was wondering if you guys who watch them all the time can dissect what is right and what is wrong about Kelly's offense?

Is it really schematically different? Do they just not have the right personnel to make it work? What's the general feeling on Kelly's long term prognosis? Is he going to bail, or see this through? Do you think eventually they'll work out the kinks and become a powerhouse offense? Or is it too gimmicky and more likely to succeed at the FBS level but not in the NFL?
It all depends if he learns from his mistakes....which is usually the difference between an average coach and a great one. Kelly is supposed to be an offensive guy...well, how does an offensive guy neglect the playmakers like he has over the course of 2 seasons? If he learns from this year and gets a true target, one that teams have to account for, the offense will show back up. As much as I agreed with letting Jackson go, he made it a lot easier for other guys to get better opportunities. Who do we have that does that now? As an outside fan looking in, who do you see on our offense that you have to game plan for? Who is the threat to score from 50-60? Who is the guy that will crush you in a drive with 4-5 catches? We just don't have that guy at all. Riley Cooper is a starting WR on our team and just this past Sunday caught his first pass since 10/19/15. How is that possible in today's NFL?

It's bad enough that we don't have an elite QB like Brady or Wilson who can make average targets better...we have an average QB with bottom 3-5 NFL weapons. You cant have that and expect to succeed. He's either going to fix it or continue to jam that square peg into the round hole.
Agree with everything you said here except your choice of naming Wilson an elite quarterback. He's come crashing down to earth this season. His skillset would be a nice fit in Chip's offense, but I don't believe he's even a top ten NFL quarterback. Even Brady looked average last night when he was under pressure and without a lot of great targets. I would think having Edelman and Dion Lewis, would make Bradford and the offense look much better than it has. Just like it made New England and Brady look much better. It sucks to realize that we had Dion Lewis and let him go. Although that was Reid and not Kelly.
I agree....when I said Wilson I had his peak in mind and should have been more specific. The main point I was getting at is that you cant have an average QB and compound that with bottom 3-5 NFL weapons. No system can maintain success with that mix

 
In Coach Caldwell's presser, the mentioned one of the challenges with preparing for the Eagles is their offense is schematically different from any other team in the league. Now I know people (deservedly) don't hold JC in high regard, but I found that interesting. He said with every other team in the league, without exception, there's a lot of overlap in the respective playbooks. Everyone has the same base plays they draw upon. They might disguise it with the formation or how they motion, but at the end of the day, it's not nearly as complicated as some make it out to be. But Chip Kelly's offense is unique.

What to make of that? Obviously there have been a lot of issues this year with how effective the O-line and QB have performed. They don't seem to ever have the ability to sustain drives or control the clock. Everything seems frenetic and disjointed (I don't watch every Philly game, these are just my general impressions.) When things are going well, there have been times the last couple years where the Eagles just boat raced the other team. It's rare, but it's happened, and it makes you feel like "wow, this team could be amazing!" But it doesn't seem sustainable. I see a lot of complaining about Chip, his personnel decisions, how other teams have figured him out, etc. But I was wondering if you guys who watch them all the time can dissect what is right and what is wrong about Kelly's offense?

Is it really schematically different? Do they just not have the right personnel to make it work? What's the general feeling on Kelly's long term prognosis? Is he going to bail, or see this through? Do you think eventually they'll work out the kinks and become a powerhouse offense? Or is it too gimmicky and more likely to succeed at the FBS level but not in the NFL?
I think that one of the problems with Chip's 2015 offense is that Bradford is no threat to run, whatsoever. Back when Vick ran it, and even Foles to some extent, the first move was always the handoff to McCoy. But defenses couldn't overreact because the QB could pull it back and run himself. It gave the defense two things to be leery of right off the bat. Of course, the QB could also pull back the handoff and throw downfield. So each play came with three options. That's a lot to defend. This year, teams only have to defend two options. Handoff or play action pass.
thats completely correct. It IS simple. Everyone keeps calling into the radio about them only having 5 plays, but the reality is that there are a few base plays that have multiple options built in. Those wrinkles are what keeps the defense playing back on their heels. Combine that with the super fast pace and defenses really start to make mistakes, especially if you've been effective and wearing them out. By the third and fourth quarter, theoretically, they should be gashing in the run game and hitting for long plays.

The fact that Bradford is out there does two things that seemingly cripple this offense. 1. For whatever reason, they are running it slower. 2. 33% of the option that the defense has to be concerned about are out. No one fears Bradford pulling it back and bouncing a 10 yard run. So now, the defense isn't getting as tired as they were previously (remember the first year? Defenses looked like they were having heart attacks out there in the 3rd and 4th quarters.) and they no longer have to wait to commit to chasing the runner or QB. They know Bradford ain't running it, so that momentary indecision-which usually meant big gains for the offense-isn't there. With those two missing pieces, this offense becomes really predictable and really anemic.

 
In Coach Caldwell's presser, the mentioned one of the challenges with preparing for the Eagles is their offense is schematically different from any other team in the league. Now I know people (deservedly) don't hold JC in high regard, but I found that interesting. He said with every other team in the league, without exception, there's a lot of overlap in the respective playbooks. Everyone has the same base plays they draw upon. They might disguise it with the formation or how they motion, but at the end of the day, it's not nearly as complicated as some make it out to be. But Chip Kelly's offense is unique.

What to make of that? Obviously there have been a lot of issues this year with how effective the O-line and QB have performed. They don't seem to ever have the ability to sustain drives or control the clock. Everything seems frenetic and disjointed (I don't watch every Philly game, these are just my general impressions.) When things are going well, there have been times the last couple years where the Eagles just boat raced the other team. It's rare, but it's happened, and it makes you feel like "wow, this team could be amazing!" But it doesn't seem sustainable. I see a lot of complaining about Chip, his personnel decisions, how other teams have figured him out, etc. But I was wondering if you guys who watch them all the time can dissect what is right and what is wrong about Kelly's offense?

Is it really schematically different? Do they just not have the right personnel to make it work? What's the general feeling on Kelly's long term prognosis? Is he going to bail, or see this through? Do you think eventually they'll work out the kinks and become a powerhouse offense? Or is it too gimmicky and more likely to succeed at the FBS level but not in the NFL?
I think that one of the problems with Chip's 2015 offense is that Bradford is no threat to run, whatsoever. Back when Vick ran it, and even Foles to some extent, the first move was always the handoff to McCoy. But defenses couldn't overreact because the QB could pull it back and run himself. It gave the defense two things to be leery of right off the bat. Of course, the QB could also pull back the handoff and throw downfield. So each play came with three options. That's a lot to defend. This year, teams only have to defend two options. Handoff or play action pass.
thats completely correct. It IS simple. Everyone keeps calling into the radio about them only having 5 plays, but the reality is that there are a few base plays that have multiple options built in. Those wrinkles are what keeps the defense playing back on their heels. Combine that with the super fast pace and defenses really start to make mistakes, especially if you've been effective and wearing them out. By the third and fourth quarter, theoretically, they should be gashing in the run game and hitting for long plays. The fact that Bradford is out there does two things that seemingly cripple this offense. 1. For whatever reason, they are running it slower. 2. 33% of the option that the defense has to be concerned about are out. No one fears Bradford pulling it back and bouncing a 10 yard run. So now, the defense isn't getting as tired as they were previously (remember the first year? Defenses looked like they were having heart attacks out there in the 3rd and 4th quarters.) and they no longer have to wait to commit to chasing the runner or QB. They know Bradford ain't running it, so that momentary indecision-which usually meant big gains for the offense-isn't there. With those two missing pieces, this offense becomes really predictable and really anemic.
Also add in that they aren't going deep. So basically a defense has to play 15-20 yards of field at a time with no fear of a QB running. Pretty easy. The speed is the equalizer.

 
Am I the only one legitimately saying win on Thursday? Doesn't mean we're good. Just feels like a win Thursday. Then we'll be back to having yahoos on the radio proclaiming Chip a genius and that we'll beat the Pats and win the super bowl.

 
Can someone please start a Foles vs Bradford thread and take it there.....please!
There actually is one. He would rather post in here as there's more people and he is pretty much begging someone to argue with him at this point.
Yeah, unfortunately the bullets came out of ShaBuck's gun once Foles was benched for Case Keenum., Kind of hard to argue your point when the guy you've been bragging up all year doesn't even have a job anymore. Not sure he'll ever get over that one. :(

 
Dude our team totally sucks worse than yours we are so going to beat you at losing this Thursday!
And Golden Gate, and Eric Enron and William Fuller and Tatum Bell will all get TDs.
I agree. Detroit had it rough the last two weeks. They can take it easy in this one.
And now we're going to win by 11?! Make up your mind man! You change your opinion on this team more then a woman changes her clothes.

I actually really can't decide/predict if we win or lose on Thursday. I kind of think it's not going to be a very close game though. We either get very overmatched and the team dials it in and season is over, or we somehow get extra motivated and turn this thing around and play at least one more good game and win by 10. Don't see a nail biter, but who knows right now.

 
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Dude our team totally sucks worse than yours we are so going to beat you at losing this Thursday!
And Golden Gate, and Eric Enron and William Fuller and Tatum Bell will all get TDs.
I agree. Detroit had it rough the last two weeks. They can take it easy in this one.
And now we're going to win by 11?! Make up your mind man! You change your opinion on this team more then a woman changes her clothes.

I actually really can't decide/predict if we win or lose on Thursday. I kind of think it's not going to be a very close game though. We either get very overmatched and the team dials it in and season is over, or we somehow get extra motivated and turn this thing around and play at least one more good game and win by 10. Don't see a nail biter, but who knows right now.
I actually see where Insein is coming from, though. I picked Detroit to win earlier in the thread. Philly just doesn't look like it could beat anyone over the last six quarters they've played.

But the only other time all season I thought they'd lose was going into the Jets game. And they surprised me and showed some grit. So who knows?

 
I went back through the numbers, Chip Kelly's record without Nick Foles is a complete joke. I thought I'd be more pissed at him being benched, but I'm not. This is typical of the NFL/media.

Foles 15-4 winning record(78.95%), threw for 40TD/12INTs, nearly set NFL effectncy records in 2013, won a division and a probowl MVP, 90 career QB rate and didn't get sacked much with an awful Oline

Without Foles Chip's QBs are 9-15(37.5%), 32TD/32INTs, and 1-8 record vs winning teams(Foles was 4-1).

Kids career is basically over, and Chip is back to being mocked like he was before Foles. I would normally write a whole article, but the numbers don't support any other argument for two second.
Take it to the Foles thread. He's a joke
Shameless bump(with updates!). Foles is hated so much that something like this isn't even worth reporting. Chip actually looks brilliant for trading the guy who won 78.95% of his games and we're cool with the results.In less games, Foles has 8 more TDs and 20 less picks. Chip would probably be worth firing by now if his teams performance w/o Foles held up over 3 seasons. What a joke
I'd be interested in the article you mention, however, it must include the supporting cast each QB had. The skill position players Foles had were far superior than what the other QB's have had. Same with the OL as well. Foles also had the element of surprise with it being Kelly's first season and teams not knowing what to expect. Love or hate Foles, he had a sheet ton going for him when he broke out

If anything, you need to knock Kelly for dismissing the need for skill players IMHO
Vick, Barkley and Sanchez played under the same(at times better) conditions as Foles.
 
I just watched the Lions game. Darious Slay handled Amari Cooper. I know Rodgers had trouble with the defense for like 50 mins, now Carr.. Sanchez might be in trouble in they're serious.

They might be a sleeper for me outside of week 13, 15 with Sanchez- Rodgers- Keenum?- Brees- Gabbert

 
Dude our team totally sucks worse than yours we are so going to beat you at losing this Thursday!
And Golden Gate, and Eric Enron and William Fuller and Tatum Bell will all get TDs.
I agree. Detroit had it rough the last two weeks. They can take it easy in this one.
And now we're going to win by 11?! Make up your mind man! You change your opinion on this team more then a woman changes her clothes.I actually really can't decide/predict if we win or lose on Thursday. I kind of think it's not going to be a very close game though. We either get very overmatched and the team dials it in and season is over, or we somehow get extra motivated and turn this thing around and play at least one more good game and win by 10. Don't see a nail biter, but who knows right now.
You did see where I said I calmed down from the Monday reactions. You can't take what I say seriously after a loss until Tuesday.

 
This has that ebb and flow feel to it though. Jets riding high on a short week and had to travel home last night. Eagles utterly embarrassed have their whole season on the line Sunday. NFL has games like this every week that go against what is supposed to happen.
I think this about the Detroit game. Not the short week travel thing but just ebb and flow. Sesosn on the line. Guys do have personal pride and Chip probably does adjust a bit.

 
Dude our team totally sucks worse than yours we are so going to beat you at losing this Thursday!
And Golden Gate, and Eric Enron and William Fuller and Tatum Bell will all get TDs.
I agree. Detroit had it rough the last two weeks. They can take it easy in this one.
And now we're going to win by 11?! Make up your mind man! You change your opinion on this team more then a woman changes her clothes.I actually really can't decide/predict if we win or lose on Thursday. I kind of think it's not going to be a very close game though. We either get very overmatched and the team dials it in and season is over, or we somehow get extra motivated and turn this thing around and play at least one more good game and win by 10. Don't see a nail biter, but who knows right now.
You did see where I said I calmed down from the Monday reactions. You can't take what I say seriously after a loss until Tuesday.
Fair enough, will remember that in the future :P

I feel like I'm starting to know you strangers better then many people I know in real life.

 
Dude our team totally sucks worse than yours we are so going to beat you at losing this Thursday!
And Golden Gate, and Eric Enron and William Fuller and Tatum Bell will all get TDs.
I agree. Detroit had it rough the last two weeks. They can take it easy in this one.
And now we're going to win by 11?! Make up your mind man! You change your opinion on this team more then a woman changes her clothes.

I actually really can't decide/predict if we win or lose on Thursday. I kind of think it's not going to be a very close game though. We either get very overmatched and the team dials it in and season is over, or we somehow get extra motivated and turn this thing around and play at least one more good game and win by 10. Don't see a nail biter, but who knows right now.
I actually see where Insein is coming from, though. I picked Detroit to win earlier in the thread. Philly just doesn't look like it could beat anyone over the last six quarters they've played.

But the only other time all season I thought they'd lose was going into the Jets game. And they surprised me and showed some grit. So who knows?
Ya I was going to mention the same thing. The Jets game was the only game this year that I really felt bad going into (Well, I didn't think we'd beat Carolina either because contrary what everyone said, they are a damn good team). Yet somehow, we pulled it out vs the jets when EVERYTHING seemed to point towards a loss heading into that game.

Heading into this game it's the exact same thing as the Jets game. Jets were coming off of 2 big wins when expectations were low for them, one of them on the road vs a good team they were big underdogs to. Detroit is coming off of 2 big wins, almost the exact same way. Eagles had lost their last 2 games and were favoured in both before heading to NY. Exact same thing this week. Everything points to a Detroit win, so I'm hoping for whatever happened after week 2 to happen again.

 
Can someone please start a Foles vs Bradford thread and take it there.....please!
I'm making a Chip Kelly point on the heels of a blowout. Foles just happened to play here, as did McCoy, Maclin and cast. Can't ignore the facts.
You guys have taken a dump on what used to be an informative thread with info on the team. No one wants to hear you cry about a backup quarterback that's not on this team anymore, and I was a big Foles fan. It's just brutally redundant at this point, start a thread specific to it instead of destroying this one.

 
Can someone please start a Foles vs Bradford thread and take it there.....please!
I'm making a Chip Kelly point on the heels of a blowout. Foles just happened to play here, as did McCoy, Maclin and cast. Can't ignore the facts.
And no one is arguing with you about that. Is there a point to the exact same theme you've been stuck on for 8 month? One and done in 2013. Didn't make the playoffs last year. Were you expecting a magical breakthrough for Foles this year had he stayed here? A return to 2013 perhaps? Sure doesn't look like he's capable of that these days, does it? Chip wasn't satisfied with a below average QB and not making the playoffs, so he took some chances. I applaud him for that, although not for every individual move. I, to, would have let McCoy go for that money. And liked getting Alonzo in the trade. Not sure we needed to sign both Murray and Mathews. I criticized that move. Thought Maxwell was a good signing based on his play in Seattle. Chip was wrong on that one and so was I. Based on his second half of 2014, I'm sure Chip thought Jordan Matthews was ready to assume the WR1 duties and wanted to use the money elsewhere that Maclin wanted. Matthews hasn't progressed at all since last year. But Maclin hasn't been an all-star in Kansas City either. You're stuck in the past. Two years in the past. 2013 was fun. 2014 wasn't. At some point, maybe you should worry about the present team. Might make you sound less bitter and childish.

 
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Can someone please start a Foles vs Bradford thread and take it there.....please!
I'm making a Chip Kelly point on the heels of a blowout. Foles just happened to play here, as did McCoy, Maclin and cast. Can't ignore the facts.
And no one is arguing with you about that. Is there a point to the exact same theme you've been stuck on for 8 month? One and done in 2013. Didn't make the playoffs last year. Were you expecting a magical breakthrough for Foles this year had he stayed here? A return to 2013 perhaps? Sure doesn't look like he's capable of that these days, does it? Chip wasn't satisfied with a below average QB and not making the playoffs, so he took some chances. I applaud him for that, although not for every individual move. I, to, would have let McCoy go for that money. And liked getting Alonzo in the trade. Not sure we needed to sign both Murray and Mathews. I criticized that move. Thought Maxwell was a good signing based on his play in Seattle. Chip was wrong on that one and so was I. Based on his second half of 2014, I'm sure Chip thought Jordan Matthews was ready to assume the WR1 duties and wanted to use the money elsewhere that Maclin wanted. Matthews hasn't progressed at all since last year. But Maclin hasn't been an all-star in Kansas City either. You're stuck in the past. Two years in the past. 2013 was fun. 2014 wasn't. At some point, maybe you should worry about the present team. Might make you sound less bitter and childish.
now you're just feeding his ignorance. He gets off only on foles talk, don't provoke any more dumb posts by him. We just need less responses to his trolling, and a win this week and he'll go away.

 

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