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*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (2 Viewers)
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
So the past couple days Mikey Miss has been stating that if the Eagles finish 7-9 and win their first playoff game, that would be a successful season. I strongly disagree and have my reasons but I'm curious what actual knowledgeable Eagles fans think.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
But why would you call that a success? Should the standard be winning a playoff game? Here are some reasons why I wouldn't call this season a success (assuming they finish 7-9):
1. They've regressed in each of the 3 years that Chip has been here. Have teams figured him out?
2. So what does one playoff win really mean if it compromises their draft pick by 10+ slots?
3. False sense of hope that this team doesn't have a lot of holes to fix
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Billy Bats
Footballguy
Let's see if we can beat Buffao first.
Insein
Footballguy
I think it's a success. Playoff wins are the measuring stick. If Chip wins one, that's a step forward. Despite the turmoil and the terrible division, if we take advantage of the bad situation and win then we can build off of that. Carolina was 7-8-1 last year and undefeated this year. Seattle was 7-9 in 2010 and used that playoff win to start their run.
Playoff wins are what the whole season is about. Doesn't matter how you get there.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Wouldn't be shocked to see the team drop to 5-9 after a pair of home losses to BUF and ARI. Buffalo is a very good team and matches up well with PHI IMO. Arizona is a top-3 team IMO and they get 10 days off before we face them. But, then again, I never thought they would win at Foxborough, and the D/ST made huge plays to get that one in the win column.
Even at 5-9, though, they can likely win the two division games and still get in at 7-9. And if they do raise an NFC East and can win a playoff game, then yes it's a successful 2015. Seattle and Carolina, in recent years, got in at 7-9 or 7-8-1, won a game, and used that as a springboard to an outstanding following season.
Of course, let's just beat Buffalo before anything else. Think we have our hands full with Taylor/McCoy/Watkins et al. I think we need a D/ST impact play again. Should be a close game either way.
Even at 5-9, though, they can likely win the two division games and still get in at 7-9. And if they do raise an NFC East and can win a playoff game, then yes it's a successful 2015. Seattle and Carolina, in recent years, got in at 7-9 or 7-8-1, won a game, and used that as a springboard to an outstanding following season.
Of course, let's just beat Buffalo before anything else. Think we have our hands full with Taylor/McCoy/Watkins et al. I think we need a D/ST impact play again. Should be a close game either way.
Insein
Footballguy
Thats the funny thing. Somehow, Missinelli thinks we're going to 5-9 first. Like people won't lose their #### if that happens.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
What might work in our favor is that Buffalo is the most undisciplined team in the NFL. If we play strong on D and ST and don't make mistakes on O, that might be enough because BUF will make plenty of mistakes.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
So he says we lose the next two but win the last two? I don't know schedules and/or tiebreakers but wouldn't that require additional help to win the division at 7-9? Doesn't sound like controlling their own destiny for the division or any guarantee they get in at 7-9.
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need2know
Footballguy
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
At 7-9 assuming the Eagles 2 wins are against Giants and Redskins, they will win all tiebreakers. Does anyone think the Giants or Redskins can go 3-1? That was Mikey Miss's point. I tend to agree.
need2know
Footballguy
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Jordan Matthews added to the injury report and listed as questionable with back issues.
Good god the horror if he can't play. :X
Look for Sproles and Matthews to be involved heavily without Jordan.
Good god the horror if he can't play. :X
Look for Sproles and Matthews to be involved heavily without Jordan.
need2know
Footballguy
2-2 gets us in if we win the last 2 almost surely.
Wash/NYG would have to go 3-1 to get in, which means with the 1 loss to us each, they'd need to go 3-0 to get in.
I really do think we go 0-2 then 2-0. Hoping otherwise of course, but those last two are far more important then these two. These two games are somehow not even that important.
Wash needs to go 3-0 vs: Chicago, Buffalo, Dallas
NYG needs to go 3-0 vs: Miami, Carolina, Minny
Ya this was a weird one, just saw it. Not sure how he did it, but don't like that he's questionable and not probable. If we beat the Bills with good coaching from Chip, and good numbers by Cooper, Shady is going to explode.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
A playoff win is absolutely a successful season. Think we win tomorrow, lose to Arizona and win the the last two. If that happens and we win a host playoff game, I don't know how that can't be considered a success.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Wow I'm shocked that all of you would consider a playoff win (at 7-9) a successful season. They've regressed this year and one potentially flukey win in the playoffs doesn't change that fact. Yes they could be the next Seattle or Carolina. I'm sure there are also a lot of examples of teams that won a crap division and stunk the following year. 
Going 7-9 and winning a playoff game is more successful then going 6-10 and getting a higher draft pick. Our standards of success obviously change weekly. Heading into the season I bet we all would be let down if we were told we'd go 7-9 and win one playoff game then be done. Right now, at THIS POINT, a playoff win would be an enormous success.Wow I'm shocked that all of you would consider a playoff win (at 7-9) a successful season. They've regressed this year and one potentially flukey win in the playoffs doesn't change that fact. Yes they could be the next Seattle or Carolina. I'm sure there are also a lot of examples of teams that won a crap division and stunk the following year.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I see a lot of people calling for a 3-point game and I just don't see it. We don't play well at home, don't play well against attacking D's and McCoy has been on fire lately. I'm thinking Bills win 27-13
I just hope I'm wrong
I just hope I'm wrong
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Hey guys did any you catch the comments on 94 yesterday around 11:30 that reporters said Mathews seemed leery about his abilities today? I think it was the Ray and Glen show (I was flipping back and forth with 97.5). The report suggested that Mathews didn't display much confidence but then Ray, I believe said he doesn't say much no matter what. I posted this in the Murray thread since people are looking for a ray of hope,to play him. It's possible Mathews won't have much of a roll (not that we expected a lot of touches anyway.)
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
By the way: My prediction for McCoy--135 rushing and at least one TD.
If Bradford plays well, I think we have a shot: 31-28
If Bradford plays well, I think we have a shot: 31-28
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Yes. Not Jordan. I was surprised at this. Hey not to stir #### but does anyone think it's Ryan who's the player that's "injured and doesn't trust playing for Chip" per that Jersey.com report?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
According to @Jeff_McLane, Chip Kelly called McCoy Tuesday, McCoy picked up and hung up after he realized who it was
dirtyjay
Footballguy
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Boys on NF network reporting that Murray will be fourth on the depth chart today. They even thought about not dressing him. Whether it has to do with performance, going to Lurie, or a combo of both they don't know but don't expect to see a lot of Murray from they're saying.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Sproles or Mathews to get the bulk? Thought I read that Mathews was sounding iffy. Seems to be setting up for a potential big day for Sproles...or barner.
ffldrew
Footballguy
What a train wreck - how do you bring in the league leading rusher and get here in just 14 weeks? If I'm Lurie you tell Chip that it's over. The bitterness of players that have left and now the ones that are there indicates real issues going forward. Any chances of long term success are gone with Chip remaining.
10 wins in each of his first two seasons after inheriting a 4-12 team. Verdict is still out on his coaching. But not thrilled about his GM work so far.
Insein
Footballguy
Then you obviously don't know Lurie. He's just about the most patient owner in the league. Chip has a 5 year contract and will get his full 5 years. Whether he gets an extension or not depends on the next 2+ years.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The bigger train wreck would be starting Murray. Him making him the 4th RB works in his favor more than it hurts.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
I'm jammed up and can't listen to local radio. Any word to corroborate the Murray not getting much rumors?
Insein
Footballguy
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Thnx guys. Looks like I'm rolling Sproles out.. Gulp
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Yeah everyone saying Sproles playing with Mathews mixed in based on conditioning/legs. And you know what? Based on merit I'm 100% on board.
Good call by coaches. The other backs have been better. Not changing schemes at this point. Play the better players. Chip wants to win, and it's the right call.
Good call by coaches. The other backs have been better. Not changing schemes at this point. Play the better players. Chip wants to win, and it's the right call.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Marshall Faulk predicting the Eagles to lose out...Insein said:
Insein
Footballguy
babydemon90
Footballguy
The past 13 weeks happened. A good coach is going to put players on the field based on that ,not who led the league last season.
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