*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (4 Viewers)

[Donny Loved Bowling]

Not sure that there are too many NFL coaches who don't think that they are the smartest guy in the room.

i don't understand the idea of thinking that he would do something solely to be different or show he is the smartest guy. These guys want to win. They have very healthy egos. They do things because they think that they will result in the most success, not because they want to be the smartest guy in the room.

Well said.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Interesting Schefter tidbit. Dodged a bullet there

@AdamSchefter: Interesting part is that Eagles and Dolphins were nearing a trade for Dion Jordan. Then came the diluted sample and suspension. So no deal.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Interesting Schefter tidbit. Dodged a bullet there

@AdamSchefter: Interesting part is that Eagles and Dolphins were nearing a trade for Dion Jordan. Then came the diluted sample and suspension. So no deal.

Dion Jordan may still be more productive than Marcus Smith this season.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Marcus Smith on the trade block?

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/4/27/8502791/eagles-trade-rumors-marcus-smith-linebacker-dion-jordan-dolphins

Is he worth anyhing?

He's not but Jordan is close to being worthless as well. Im not even sure he likes football at this point and I cant see Chip wanting him.

Im interested to see what if anything Smith learned from his rookie year. He may have a Brandon Graham type of trajectory

And Jordan gets suspended for a year--He's done

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Not sure that there are too many NFL coaches who don't think that they are the smartest guy in the room.

i don't understand the idea of thinking that he would do something solely to be different or show he is the smartest guy. These guys want to win. They have very healthy egos. They do things because they think that they will result in the most success, not because they want to be the smartest guy in the room.

 

[Insein]

Marcus Smith on the trade block?

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/4/27/8502791/eagles-trade-rumors-marcus-smith-linebacker-dion-jordan-dolphins

Is he worth anyhing?

He's not but Jordan is close to being worthless as well. Im not even sure he likes football at this point and I cant see Chip wanting him.

Im interested to see what if anything Smith learned from his rookie year. He may have a Brandon Graham type of trajectory

And Jordan gets suspended for a year--He's done

Would chip have taken him if he was there instead of Lane Johnson? Imagine that disaster.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Marcus Smith on the trade block?

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/4/27/8502791/eagles-trade-rumors-marcus-smith-linebacker-dion-jordan-dolphins

Is he worth anyhing?

He's not but Jordan is close to being worthless as well. Im not even sure he likes football at this point and I cant see Chip wanting him.

Im interested to see what if anything Smith learned from his rookie year. He may have a Brandon Graham type of trajectory

And Jordan gets suspended for a year--He's done

Would chip have taken him if he was there instead of Lane Johnson? Imagine that disaster.

If anyone knew him at that time it was Chip. Who knows, he may have known what type of kid he was for a while now.

 

[hagmania]

I think Chip might very well be the smartest guy in a whole lot of rooms.

 

[Deamon]

Marcus Smith on the trade block?

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/4/27/8502791/eagles-trade-rumors-marcus-smith-linebacker-dion-jordan-dolphins

Is he worth anyhing?

He's not but Jordan is close to being worthless as well. Im not even sure he likes football at this point and I cant see Chip wanting him.

Im interested to see what if anything Smith learned from his rookie year. He may have a Brandon Graham type of trajectory

And Jordan gets suspended for a year--He's done

Would chip have taken him if he was there instead of Lane Johnson? Imagine that disaster.

If anyone knew him at that time it was Chip. Who knows, he may have known what type of kid he was for a while now.

I think no question Chip would have taken him there. I'm sure it was more then just a "Oh Chip's from Oregon, he may want Dion" that spooked Miami into jumping over us in the draft to get him. I think these GM's have a much better idea of what is going to happen in the draft then ever gets out to the media, so I have a feeling Miami knew Chip was going to draft Jordan there.

Anyone hear what the rumoured deal was that we were giving up for Jordan?

 

[Bushead]

Marcus Smith on the trade block?

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/4/27/8502791/eagles-trade-rumors-marcus-smith-linebacker-dion-jordan-dolphins

Is he worth anyhing?

He's not but Jordan is close to being worthless as well. Im not even sure he likes football at this point and I cant see Chip wanting him.

Im interested to see what if anything Smith learned from his rookie year. He may have a Brandon Graham type of trajectory

And Jordan gets suspended for a year--He's done

Would chip have taken him if he was there instead of Lane Johnson? Imagine that disaster.

If anyone knew him at that time it was Chip. Who knows, he may have known what type of kid he was for a while now.

I think no question Chip would have taken him there. I'm sure it was more then just a "Oh Chip's from Oregon, he may want Dion" that spooked Miami into jumping over us in the draft to get him. I think these GM's have a much better idea of what is going to happen in the draft then ever gets out to the media, so I have a feeling Miami knew Chip was going to draft Jordan there.

Anyone hear what the rumoured deal was that we were giving up for Jordan?

I read there was discussion of Mathis and a late round pick

 

[Deamon]

Marcus Smith on the trade block?

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/4/27/8502791/eagles-trade-rumors-marcus-smith-linebacker-dion-jordan-dolphins

Is he worth anyhing?

He's not but Jordan is close to being worthless as well. Im not even sure he likes football at this point and I cant see Chip wanting him.

Im interested to see what if anything Smith learned from his rookie year. He may have a Brandon Graham type of trajectory

And Jordan gets suspended for a year--He's done

Would chip have taken him if he was there instead of Lane Johnson? Imagine that disaster.

If anyone knew him at that time it was Chip. Who knows, he may have known what type of kid he was for a while now.

I think no question Chip would have taken him there. I'm sure it was more then just a "Oh Chip's from Oregon, he may want Dion" that spooked Miami into jumping over us in the draft to get him. I think these GM's have a much better idea of what is going to happen in the draft then ever gets out to the media, so I have a feeling Miami knew Chip was going to draft Jordan there.

Anyone hear what the rumoured deal was that we were giving up for Jordan?

I read there was discussion of Mathis and a late round pick

phewf, dodged one there.

 

[need2know]

Marcus Smith on the trade block?

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/4/27/8502791/eagles-trade-rumors-marcus-smith-linebacker-dion-jordan-dolphins

Is he worth anyhing?

He's not but Jordan is close to being worthless as well. Im not even sure he likes football at this point and I cant see Chip wanting him.

Im interested to see what if anything Smith learned from his rookie year. He may have a Brandon Graham type of trajectory

And Jordan gets suspended for a year--He's done

Would chip have taken him if he was there instead of Lane Johnson? Imagine that disaster.

If anyone knew him at that time it was Chip. Who knows, he may have known what type of kid he was for a while now.

I think no question Chip would have taken him there. I'm sure it was more then just a "Oh Chip's from Oregon, he may want Dion" that spooked Miami into jumping over us in the draft to get him. I think these GM's have a much better idea of what is going to happen in the draft then ever gets out to the media, so I have a feeling Miami knew Chip was going to draft Jordan there.Anyone hear what the rumoured deal was that we were giving up for Jordan?

I read there was discussion of Mathis and a late round pick

phewf, dodged one there.

Cannot wait for a couple years down the road and most of these Oregon players chip coached will be out of the league or won't be part of the draft so he stops getting tempted. I feel it's really skewing his decisions

 

[Ash]

Interesting Schefter tidbit. Dodged a bullet there

@AdamSchefter: Interesting part is that Eagles and Dolphins were nearing a trade for Dion Jordan. Then came the diluted sample and suspension. So no deal.

Dion Jordan may still be more productive than Marcus Smith this season.

Season 1 was disappointing but give the guy a chance. If he can't get on the field this year and make some kind of contribution then I'll join in and say it was a bad pick. Plenty of young players though don't light it up immediately and still turn out OK.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Interesting Schefter tidbit. Dodged a bullet there

@AdamSchefter: Interesting part is that Eagles and Dolphins were nearing a trade for Dion Jordan. Then came the diluted sample and suspension. So no deal.

Dion Jordan may still be more productive than Marcus Smith this season.

Season 1 was disappointing but give the guy a chance. If he can't get on the field this year and make some kind of contribution then I'll join in and say it was a bad pick. Plenty of young players though don't light it up immediately and still turn out OK.

I agree. He was drafted higher than some thought, was learning (according to coaches) our most complicated LBer position and then due to injuries was moved to a new position.

He has to understand what it takes to be an NFL LBer according to some of the coaches in the weight room. If he does that he could still live up to his draft position but it may not be until year 3

 

[Snotbubbles]

Interesting Schefter tidbit. Dodged a bullet there

@AdamSchefter: Interesting part is that Eagles and Dolphins were nearing a trade for Dion Jordan. Then came the diluted sample and suspension. So no deal.

Dion Jordan may still be more productive than Marcus Smith this season.

Season 1 was disappointing but give the guy a chance. If he can't get on the field this year and make some kind of contribution then I'll join in and say it was a bad pick. Plenty of young players though don't light it up immediately and still turn out OK.

I agree. He was drafted higher than some thought, was learning (according to coaches) our most complicated LBer position and then due to injuries was moved to a new position.

He has to understand what it takes to be an NFL LBer according to some of the coaches in the weight room. If he does that he could still live up to his draft position but it may not be until year 3

First round picks don't have to light it up but they should be able to at least get on the field. They wouldn't even use Marcus Smith in blowouts (see Green Bay game). That's pretty damning.

 

[Insein]

At this point they've beaten me down. I don't care if they give up everything, just go get him so there's no wondering what might have been. I hate that feeling the most.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

OK guys, draft is tomorrow. Gun to your head, who do the Eagles take?

I think, despite the fact I think it'll be a monumental mistake, they trade up and take Mariotta.

 

[need2know]

We r getting mariota. The question is how expensive will it b

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Interesting Schefter tidbit. Dodged a bullet there

@AdamSchefter: Interesting part is that Eagles and Dolphins were nearing a trade for Dion Jordan. Then came the diluted sample and suspension. So no deal.

Dion Jordan may still be more productive than Marcus Smith this season.

Season 1 was disappointing but give the guy a chance. If he can't get on the field this year and make some kind of contribution then I'll join in and say it was a bad pick. Plenty of young players though don't light it up immediately and still turn out OK.

I agree. He was drafted higher than some thought, was learning (according to coaches) our most complicated LBer position and then due to injuries was moved to a new position.

He has to understand what it takes to be an NFL LBer according to some of the coaches in the weight room. If he does that he could still live up to his draft position but it may not be until year 3

First round picks don't have to light it up but they should be able to at least get on the field. They wouldn't even use Marcus Smith in blowouts (see Green Bay game). That's pretty damning.

I guess There's plenty of players who dont get it right away and end up fine later on. Im willing to give him a passt for last season and this season will be much more telling IMO. He has to take it serious and come into camp in better shape, if he does that I believe he'll see the field a lot more this season.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

OK guys, draft is tomorrow. Gun to your head, who do the Eagles take?

I think, despite the fact I think it'll be a monumental mistake, they trade up and take Mariotta.

Gun to my head they stay at 20 and go BPA most likely a WR or CB.

I believe the interest in Mariota is real but the cost combined with actually finding someone to deal with makes the deal near impossible IMO

Im 99% certain we dont make the deal but that will change dramatically if Tennessee does something stupid,

 

[Snotbubbles]

OK guys, draft is tomorrow. Gun to your head, who do the Eagles take?

I think, despite the fact I think it'll be a monumental mistake, they trade up and take Mariotta.

I'm thinking Byron Jones. I'm sure they'd love to get Mariotta, but I don't think they'll be able to pull off a trade because I think Tennessee really wants a QB of the future.

 

[Khy]

OK guys, draft is tomorrow. Gun to your head, who do the Eagles take?

I think, despite the fact I think it'll be a monumental mistake, they trade up and take Mariotta.

Gun to my head they stay at 20 and go BPA most likely a WR or CB.

I believe the interest in Mariota is real but the cost combined with actually finding someone to deal with makes the deal near impossible IMO

Im 99% certain we dont make the deal but that will change dramatically if Tennessee does something stupid,

I see them going CB, probably Byron Jones or Jalen Collins. Unless one of the big WRs like Parker or White were to somehow slip into the mid teens in which case I could see them making a move for them. Otherwise, I think they'll end up with one of the corners. The only WR not a reach based on talent at 20th is DGB and after the way Kelly has handled the other hot heads he inherited (Jackson, McCoy) I dont' see him taking a guy like Green-Beckham. Kelly seems to enjoy drafting upstanding players and nothing else. Same reason I don't think they'd take Marcus Peters, even though I think he's a better player than the two guys I mentioned.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

OK guys, draft is tomorrow. Gun to your head, who do the Eagles take?

If there's a gun to my head, I let them take whoever they want.

 

[Billy Bats]

Sal Pal just reported Chargers and Eagles actively discussing moving up into Tennessee's pick.

 

[Deamon]

Sal Pal just reported Chargers and Eagles actively discussing moving up into Tennessee's pick.

Wish the Chargers weren't in t;he mix here... I think that could really up the price.

What I think is going through Chip's head (which of course is impossible to try to figure out) is that he wants Mariota badly, but has a backup plan this time. Not having a backup plan seemed to screw us last year when the 3 guys we were targetting went off the board.

I hope Tenn is on the clock for a long time and suddenly are logo pops up... maybe even a desperation move from Tenn or last minute decision when no one else is calling.

 

[Deamon]

OK guys, draft is tomorrow. Gun to your head, who do the Eagles take?

I think, despite the fact I think it'll be a monumental mistake, they trade up and take Mariotta.

Gun to my head they stay at 20 and go BPA most likely a WR or CB.

I believe the interest in Mariota is real but the cost combined with actually finding someone to deal with makes the deal near impossible IMO

Im 99% certain we dont make the deal but that will change dramatically if Tennessee does something stupid,

I see them going CB, probably Byron Jones or Jalen Collins. Unless one of the big WRs like Parker or White were to somehow slip into the mid teens in which case I could see them making a move for them. Otherwise, I think they'll end up with one of the corners. The only WR not a reach based on talent at 20th is DGB and after the way Kelly has handled the other hot heads he inherited (Jackson, McCoy) I dont' see him taking a guy like Green-Beckham. Kelly seems to enjoy drafting upstanding players and nothing else. Same reason I don't think they'd take Marcus Peters, even though I think he's a better player than the two guys I mentioned.

Don't think Byron Jones will be there, and don't think Collins is a "chip guy". His drug charges are dropping his stock.

As for WR, Parker and White probably won't be slipping to the mid teens. Not sure why anyone isn't pumped on the thought of Perriman being available at 20 though.

He would be my pick if he's on the board at 20.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

OK guys, draft is tomorrow. Gun to your head, who do the Eagles take?

I think, despite the fact I think it'll be a monumental mistake, they trade up and take Mariotta.

Gun to my head they stay at 20 and go BPA most likely a WR or CB.

I believe the interest in Mariota is real but the cost combined with actually finding someone to deal with makes the deal near impossible IMO

Im 99% certain we dont make the deal but that will change dramatically if Tennessee does something stupid,

I see them going CB, probably Byron Jones or Jalen Collins. Unless one of the big WRs like Parker or White were to somehow slip into the mid teens in which case I could see them making a move for them. Otherwise, I think they'll end up with one of the corners. The only WR not a reach based on talent at 20th is DGB and after the way Kelly has handled the other hot heads he inherited (Jackson, McCoy) I dont' see him taking a guy like Green-Beckham. Kelly seems to enjoy drafting upstanding players and nothing else. Same reason I don't think they'd take Marcus Peters, even though I think he's a better player than the two guys I mentioned.

Which is why you can take Collins off of that list

 

[Bigboy10182000]

OK guys, draft is tomorrow. Gun to your head, who do the Eagles take?

I think, despite the fact I think it'll be a monumental mistake, they trade up and take Mariotta.

Gun to my head they stay at 20 and go BPA most likely a WR or CB.

I believe the interest in Mariota is real but the cost combined with actually finding someone to deal with makes the deal near impossible IMO

Im 99% certain we dont make the deal but that will change dramatically if Tennessee does something stupid,

I see them going CB, probably Byron Jones or Jalen Collins. Unless one of the big WRs like Parker or White were to somehow slip into the mid teens in which case I could see them making a move for them. Otherwise, I think they'll end up with one of the corners. The only WR not a reach based on talent at 20th is DGB and after the way Kelly has handled the other hot heads he inherited (Jackson, McCoy) I dont' see him taking a guy like Green-Beckham. Kelly seems to enjoy drafting upstanding players and nothing else. Same reason I don't think they'd take Marcus Peters, even though I think he's a better player than the two guys I mentioned.

Don't think Byron Jones will be there, and don't think Collins is a "chip guy". His drug charges are dropping his stock.

As for WR, Parker and White probably won't be slipping to the mid teens. Not sure why anyone isn't pumped on the thought of Perriman being available at 20 though.

He would be my pick if he's on the board at 20.

Im not a betting man but I would wager that Parker or Perriman are there at 20 and thats what we take if not a DB

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Sal Pal just reported Chargers and Eagles actively discussing moving up into Tennessee's pick.

Tennessee would be smart to say that everyone is calling--Hell, THEY should be calling teams too.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I'm worried they're taking Algohor to replace Maclin, which I see as completely not worth the pick.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

If they stay at 20 I hope they take OL and then grab a WR in the 2nd.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'm worried they're taking Algohor to replace Maclin, which I see as completely not worth the pick.

I think he can be had in the 2nd and Id be ok with that, Id really like a guy like Devin Smith too. If we're going WR at 20, unless I missed something in the bios, I'd says its Parker, Perriman or Strong--I think all of which will fit nicely in the offense.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

If they stay at 20 I hope they take OL and then grab a WR in the 2nd.

I just want our first 3 picks to be BPA at WR, DB and OL--If they stray from that Im hoping an edge guy or a TE

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

If they stay at 20 I hope they take OL and then grab a WR in the 2nd.

I just want our first 3 picks to be BPA at WR, DB and OL--If they stray from that Im hoping an edge guy or a TE

I think BPA is often media speak. I think its very rare that teams actually take the best player available. They almost always go for need.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

OK guys, draft is tomorrow. Gun to your head, who do the Eagles take?

I think, despite the fact I think it'll be a monumental mistake, they trade up and take Mariotta.

Gun to my head they stay at 20 and go BPA most likely a WR or CB.

I believe the interest in Mariota is real but the cost combined with actually finding someone to deal with makes the deal near impossible IMO

Im 99% certain we dont make the deal but that will change dramatically if Tennessee does something stupid,

Pretty much agree with this, though I think OL is in the mix, too.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

If they stay at 20 I hope they take OL and then grab a WR in the 2nd.

I just want our first 3 picks to be BPA at WR, DB and OL--If they stray from that Im hoping an edge guy or a TE

I think BPA is often media speak. I think its very rare that teams actually take the best player available. They almost always go for need.

BPA at those positions

 

[Billy Bats]

Here's what happens:

Tennessee is bluffing, doesn't get a good enough offer for 2, lets Mariotta slide and the Eagles trade with Raiders for number 4 and Mariotta.

 

[JetMaxx]

Lael Collins, Byron Jones, Jake Fisher in that order if they stay at 20. Rowe or Perriman if they move back some in the first.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Here's what happens:

Tennessee is bluffing, doesn't get a good enough offer for 2, lets Mariotta slide and the Eagles trade with Raiders for number 4 and Mariotta.

I think Tenn is bluffing as well. Actually I think most teams are bluffing and MM has a chance of falling to around the 9-12 range

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Sal Pal just reported Chargers and Eagles actively discussing moving up into Tennessee's pick.

Tennessee would be smart to say that everyone is calling--Hell, THEY should be calling teams too.

Saw a clip yesterday of the GM saying many had called and they were also making calls. Asked if SD was one of the teams, he said "San Diego is not one of those teams.". So that must be very recent, assuming everyone is truthful.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Lael Collins, Byron Jones, Jake Fisher in that order if they stay at 20. Rowe or Perriman if they move back some in the first.

I dont know that Perrman goes much further than 20

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Sal Pal just reported Chargers and Eagles actively discussing moving up into Tennessee's pick.

Tennessee would be smart to say that everyone is calling--Hell, THEY should be calling teams too.

Saw a clip yesterday of the GM saying many had called and they were also making calls. Asked if SD was one of the teams, he said "San Diego is not one of those teams.". So that must be very recent, assuming everyone is truthful.

They have to to their due dillegence. When picking #2 they have to have one guy in mind that they really like. If we want Mariota we have to hope theyre stupid enough to pick a DT #2

 

[cstu]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 2h2 hours ago

Former Chip Kelly assistant: I think he's still trying to get Marcus Mariota http://wp.me/p14QSB-9Lc3

 

[Deamon]

Lael Collins, Byron Jones, Jake Fisher in that order if they stay at 20. Rowe or Perriman if they move back some in the first.

I dont know that Perrman goes much further than 20

No way he goes further. He's being mocked before 20 pretty much everywhere. You don't trade back for him if you like him and he's sitting there at 20. You consider yourself lucky and you draft him.

 

[Deamon]

Here's what happens:

Tennessee is bluffing, doesn't get a good enough offer for 2, lets Mariotta slide and the Eagles trade with Raiders for number 4 and Mariotta.

I think Tenn is bluffing as well. Actually I think most teams are bluffing and MM has a chance of falling to around the 9-12 range

The Jets would be out of their minds to pass on him. If he falls to the 9-12 range, then he is being EXTREMELY overvalued by the media or by what teams are saying to the media. If that's the case and he's not even close to as good as advertised, not sure I want him.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 2h2 hours ago

Former Chip Kelly assistant: I think he's still trying to get Marcus Mariota http://wp.me/p14QSB-9Lc3

“If there’s a way that he can get Marcus Mariota without selling the farm, I think he’s still trying to do that,” Aliotti said.

GROUNDBREAKING!

 

[Deamon]

Cleve has offered 2 firsts for the pick. I'm not sure that rumoured 19+20+cox+kendricks is much better then 12+19. Assuming cleve would easily throw in a 3rd or something too to sweeten it.

 

[cstu]

Here's what happens:

Tennessee is bluffing, doesn't get a good enough offer for 2, lets Mariotta slide and the Eagles trade with Raiders for number 4 and Mariotta.

I think Tenn is bluffing as well. Actually I think most teams are bluffing and MM has a chance of falling to around the 9-12 range

The Jets would be out of their minds to pass on him. If he falls to the 9-12 range, then he is being EXTREMELY overvalued by the media or by what teams are saying to the media. If that's the case and he's not even close to as good as advertised, not sure I want him.

I remember the media hype being really high on Rodgers. Up until draft day people were still wondering if the 49ers would draft Rodgers. Like the Bucs with Winston now, the 49ers were dropping hints that Alex Smith was the pick but many in the media thought Rodgers should go #1. During the draft it was shocking to everyone how teams kept passing on him (Vikings and Cowboys twice).

 

[cstu]

Cleve has offered 2 firsts for the pick. I'm not sure that rumoured 19+20+cox+kendricks is much better then 12+19. Assuming cleve would easily throw in a 3rd or something too to sweeten it.

That plus the Eagles 2016 1st, that enough?

 

[Deamon]

Cleve has offered 2 firsts for the pick. I'm not sure that rumoured 19+20+cox+kendricks is much better then 12+19. Assuming cleve would easily throw in a 3rd or something too to sweeten it.

That plus the Eagles 2016 1st, that enough?

No, the report was 19+20+Cox+Kendricks for #2.