*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (1 Viewer)

[ImTheScientist]

When will Ryan Matthews take over? Seems like he is a better fit running the ball.

AP would stink behind that line.

They were good last year...whats the difference? Mathis?

 

[renesauz]

This offense is a total disaster. The play calling is a disaster. The blocking is a disaster and the amount of drops is disastrous.

I have no idea why they refuse to run the ball. They have attempted 89 passes and only 33 runs. That is losing football in the NFL. Whennthey pass, the only routes they seem to run are verticals, curls and drags.

How do you dial up run plays consistantly when your first down run nets -5 three times in a row?

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Finally got to see the game this afternoon. IMO, the problem begins and ends with the offensive line. ##### about Maxwell, ##### about Bradford, ##### about the WR drops, whatever. That o-line, especially the interior, is getting blown up every play . Instead of all the pulling and what not, they need to just put a helmet on the guy in front of them and let those very talented rbs do what they can do.

 

[duaneok66]

by the way, Maxwell might as well be wearing a mask.

 

[Deamon]

Looking like Kiko is gone for the year and Cedric Thorton will miss a few weeks as well.

Kendricks thinks he may be able to play this week.

####. :(

 

[jurb26]

This offense is a total disaster. The play calling is a disaster. The blocking is a disaster and the amount of drops is disastrous.

I have no idea why they refuse to run the ball. They have attempted 89 passes and only 33 runs. That is losing football in the NFL. Whennthey pass, the only routes they seem to run are verticals, curls and drags.

How do you dial up run plays consistantly when your first down run nets -5 three times in a row?

Well, having more than 2 running plays in the playbook would be a start.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Looking like Kiko is gone for the year and Cedric Thorton will miss a few weeks as well.

Kendricks thinks he may be able to play this week.

####. :(

Wow what was the injury?

 

[jurb26]

agree with you, but they tried to run - the offensive linemen were inviting players to the backfield.

Try is a loose way of looking at it IMO. 33 runs in 2 games isn't really trying very hard. Yeah, the oline has been abysmal run blocking but when you give up on it that quickly you never let them get any rythm going.This team has no balance. In order to win that way you need extraordinary players, most often at QB. They don't have that. Not even close.

When they tried they were getting crushed, not just stopped at the line of scrimmage but losing 3-4 yards each time. With that kind of domination I guess they look at an incomplete pass that doesn't lose yards as a lesser evil? It was brutal.

this. It wasn't working. So why continue? I don't understand that line of reasoning.

Passing isn't working either so where does that leave them?

 

[fred_1_15301]

agree with you, but they tried to run - the offensive linemen were inviting players to the backfield.

Try is a loose way of looking at it IMO. 33 runs in 2 games isn't really trying very hard. Yeah, the oline has been abysmal run blocking but when you give up on it that quickly you never let them get any rythm going.This team has no balance. In order to win that way you need extraordinary players, most often at QB. They don't have that. Not even close.

When they tried they were getting crushed, not just stopped at the line of scrimmage but losing 3-4 yards each time. With that kind of domination I guess they look at an incomplete pass that doesn't lose yards as a lesser evil? It was brutal.

this. It wasn't working. So why continue? I don't understand that line of reasoning.

Passing isn't working either so where does that leave them?

It was actually working just fine in the 2nd half of the Atlanta game. They had a bad game on offense. It happens

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Looking like Kiko is gone for the year and Cedric Thorton will miss a few weeks as well.

Kendricks thinks he may be able to play this week.

####. :(

Wow what was the injury?

Broke something in his hand I believe.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Looking like Kiko is gone for the year and Cedric Thorton will miss a few weeks as well.

Kendricks thinks he may be able to play this week.

####. :(

Wow what was the injury?

Broke something in his hand I believe.

it's his knee.

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/9/21/9366785/kiko-alonso-injury-eagles-season-ending-knee-bills-trade

 

[GoBirds]

agree with you, but they tried to run - the offensive linemen were inviting players to the backfield.

Try is a loose way of looking at it IMO. 33 runs in 2 games isn't really trying very hard. Yeah, the oline has been abysmal run blocking but when you give up on it that quickly you never let them get any rythm going.This team has no balance. In order to win that way you need extraordinary players, most often at QB. They don't have that. Not even close.

When they tried they were getting crushed, not just stopped at the line of scrimmage but losing 3-4 yards each time. With that kind of domination I guess they look at an incomplete pass that doesn't lose yards as a lesser evil? It was brutal.

this. It wasn't working. So why continue? I don't understand that line of reasoning.

Passing isn't working either so where does that leave them?

At the line of scrimmage instead of 4 yards behind.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Eagles going to have to try to throw more than 9 yards down the field. The Pats can throw short pass after short pass because they have amazing short area quickness guys like Amendola and monsters like Gronk. The problem for the Eagles is that their offense is extremely limited due to the lack of WR talent, Bradford's poor deep ball and an O-line that doesn't give Bradford much time. Defenses can stack up in the box because they know the Eagles aren't a threat down the field.

Philly had the most success by far against the Falcons when they utilized Sproles in the passing game. They need to use him n that wheel route to slow down the rush and force the linebackers to stay outside.

 

[jurb26]

agree with you, but they tried to run - the offensive linemen were inviting players to the backfield.

Try is a loose way of looking at it IMO. 33 runs in 2 games isn't really trying very hard. Yeah, the oline has been abysmal run blocking but when you give up on it that quickly you never let them get any rythm going.This team has no balance. In order to win that way you need extraordinary players, most often at QB. They don't have that. Not even close.

When they tried they were getting crushed, not just stopped at the line of scrimmage but losing 3-4 yards each time. With that kind of domination I guess they look at an incomplete pass that doesn't lose yards as a lesser evil? It was brutal.

this. It wasn't working. So why continue? I don't understand that line of reasoning.

Passing isn't working either so where does that leave them?

At the line of scrimmage instead of 4 yards behind.

I suppose that true. I'd still say, you have to run the ball more than they have even if it's not working. This is the NFL. Passing at a near 73% rate is a recipe for disaster... Which is exactly what they are currently getting out of it. You simply can't be this one dimensional in NFL.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Looking like Kiko is gone for the year and Cedric Thorton will miss a few weeks as well.

Kendricks thinks he may be able to play this week.

####. :(

Wow what was the injury?

Broke something in his hand I believe.

it's his knee.

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/9/21/9366785/kiko-alonso-injury-eagles-season-ending-knee-bills-trade

I was talking about Thorton... We pretty much knew Kiko hurt his knee. This was the first I heard about Thortons injury. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Deamon, do you want my take on Chip now?

No, but I'd love to hear your take on your mancrush, Foles. He may have been the only QB in the league who sucked as much as Bradford.

Small sample size and all, I know, but through 2 games:

Foles - 59.3% CP, 2 TD, 0 INT, 7.45 ANY/A.

Bradford - 66.3% CP, 2 TD, 4 INT, 4.61 ANY/A.

The former, of course, is recording these stats under noted offensive genius Jeff Fisher.

And Foles' career average ANY/A is 6.91 to Bradford's 5.14.

We have plenty of evidence that Foles is a serviceable NFL QB with the potential to be an above-average one. Bradford may well be better - either in Chip's system or even overall - but what little evidence he's proviuded thus far isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of the hypothesis.

Foles showed last year that he is very average. He's showing it again this year. Chip rolled the dice and was/is betting that a healthy Bradford, with all of his tools, was a franchise-type quarterback that could get Philly to a Super Bowl or two. After two games, his vision doesn't seem to be working out. Maybe Bradford will never be the quarterback that he was supposed to be coming out of college. But I'm not blaming Chip for not wanting to go with an average Nick Foles. Just like I won't fault him if he sees that Bradford is nothing special and elects to let him sign elsewhere after the season. I don't want a coach who's satisfied with average.

I don't disagree with anything in that paragraph. In fact I don't disagree with anything you've written, other than your contention that Foles sucks.

Broadly speaking, there are 3 classifications of NFL QBs: (1) those who can put an average team on their shoulders and carry them to a Super Bowl; (2) those who can win a Super Bowl when given an excellent supporting cast; and (3) those who can't do either.

I feel pretty safe in tabbing Foles as a bucket #2 guy who's never going to grow into a bucket #1 guy. 99% of NFL head coaches would stick with that guy, work like hell to try to surround him with All-Pros, and cross their fingers that that's enough to do the trick. This natural risk-aversion is why guys like Cutler, Stafford, and Dalton earn monster contracts for being extremely average QBs.

Chip's one of the very few who would toss a bucket 2 guy overboard in favor of a guy whose performance and injury history to date gives him, let's say, a 20% chance of being a bucket 1 guy but a 40% chance of being a bucket 3 guy. I respect both his opinion and his willingness to take that risk. But just because he tossed Foles aside for Bradford in his specific situation doesn't mean that Foles sucks, or even that Bradford will ever be better than he will.

Excellant take. Although I would have kept Foles, I don't think we should castrate Chip for this move even if it fails to work out.

Philly fans will burn Chip. Trust me. It's already happening.

Bradford trade was inexcusable. How much better did you guys think he would make a 10 win team?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1∑=1&p1=BradSa00&p2=FoleNi00&p3=LuckAn00&p4=&p5=&p6=

Just for fun

 

[GoBirds]

agree with you, but they tried to run - the offensive linemen were inviting players to the backfield.

Try is a loose way of looking at it IMO. 33 runs in 2 games isn't really trying very hard. Yeah, the oline has been abysmal run blocking but when you give up on it that quickly you never let them get any rythm going.This team has no balance. In order to win that way you need extraordinary players, most often at QB. They don't have that. Not even close.

When they tried they were getting crushed, not just stopped at the line of scrimmage but losing 3-4 yards each time. With that kind of domination I guess they look at an incomplete pass that doesn't lose yards as a lesser evil? It was brutal.

this. It wasn't working. So why continue? I don't understand that line of reasoning.

Passing isn't working either so where does that leave them?

At the line of scrimmage instead of 4 yards behind.

I suppose that true. I'd still say, you have to run the ball more than they have even if it's not working. This is the NFL. Passing at a near 73% rate is a recipe for disaster... Which is exactly what they are currently getting out of it. You simply can't be this one dimensional in NFL.

Sure, it all comes down to the oline showing up. The middle is getting destroyed and it seems like Peters is on and off the field with injuries all game already. I can't remember an oline getting this dominated. Jets D looks good too, not going to be as easy as I hoped when I saw NYJ on the schedule. 0-3 is very possible.

 

[Deamon]

ya this Jets D looks very good. Not a great game to get out of our funk. At least we will likely have the Saints come to town without Brees.

 

[Insein]

Herrrmans not lighting the world on fire tonight either. It's not losing the vets cause they were done. It's the guys they replaced them with. Either they suck or they need time to gel which is what the preseason should be for.

 

[Omniscient Deity]

Eagles going to have to try to throw more than 9 yards down the field. The Pats can throw short pass after short pass because they have amazing short area quickness guys like Amendola and monsters like Gronk. The problem for the Eagles is that their offense is extremely limited due to the lack of WR talent, Bradford's poor deep ball and an O-line that doesn't give Bradford much time. Defenses can stack up in the box because they know the Eagles aren't a threat down the field.

Philly had the most success by far against the Falcons when they utilized Sproles in the passing game. They need to use him n that wheel route to slow down the rush and force the linebackers to stay outside.

I agree to an extent.

Matthews and Sproles are pretty decent at it. Gronk's downfield threat is what keeps those teams honest plus the O-Line gives Brady time. Bradford doesn't have a deep threat(and isn't much of a downfield passer anyway) plus the O-Line doesn't give him enough time throw deep even if he wanted to.

 

[Insein]

Eagles going to have to try to throw more than 9 yards down the field. The Pats can throw short pass after short pass because they have amazing short area quickness guys like Amendola and monsters like Gronk. The problem for the Eagles is that their offense is extremely limited due to the lack of WR talent, Bradford's poor deep ball and an O-line that doesn't give Bradford much time. Defenses can stack up in the box because they know the Eagles aren't a threat down the field.

Philly had the most success by far against the Falcons when they utilized Sproles in the passing game. They need to use him n that wheel route to slow down the rush and force the linebackers to stay outside.

I agree to an extent.Matthews and Sproles are pretty decent at it. Gronk's downfield threat is what keeps those teams honest plus the O-Line gives Brady time. Bradford doesn't have a deep threat(and isn't much of a downfield passer anyway) plus the O-Line doesn't give him enough time throw deep even if he wanted to.

I disagree. Bradford has been hurried the 5th least this year and is only sacked once. He won't pull the trigger.

 

[Omniscient Deity]

Eagles going to have to try to throw more than 9 yards down the field. The Pats can throw short pass after short pass because they have amazing short area quickness guys like Amendola and monsters like Gronk. The problem for the Eagles is that their offense is extremely limited due to the lack of WR talent, Bradford's poor deep ball and an O-line that doesn't give Bradford much time. Defenses can stack up in the box because they know the Eagles aren't a threat down the field.

Philly had the most success by far against the Falcons when they utilized Sproles in the passing game. They need to use him n that wheel route to slow down the rush and force the linebackers to stay outside.

I agree to an extent.Matthews and Sproles are pretty decent at it. Gronk's downfield threat is what keeps those teams honest plus the O-Line gives Brady time. Bradford doesn't have a deep threat(and isn't much of a downfield passer anyway) plus the O-Line doesn't give him enough time throw deep even if he wanted to.

I disagree. Bradford has been hurried the 5th least this year and is only sacked once. He won't pull the trigger.

Interesting. That doesn't look good on him. I'd argue that some of the quick passes he makes help bring that number down though. It's hard to get hurried when you throw a quick pass/screen and Chip's playbook has plenty of those. But like you said, that likely means even when he does potentially have the time, he's getting the ball out short instead of even looking for a big play. The elite offenses/QB's always look for the bigger play on the first read and then check down if need be, something this offense sorely lacks through 2 games. Hopefully the appropriate adjustments are made.

 

[jurb26]

Yeah, the run blocking has been poo but they have protected Bradford pretty well. Bradford is just part of the problem.

 

[babydemon90]

ya this Jets D looks very good. Not a great game to get out of our funk. At least we will likely have the Saints come to town without Brees.

Yep. We might actually look worse next week.

 

[GoBirds]

Yeah, the run blocking has been poo but they have protected Bradford pretty well. Bradford is just part of the problem.

How long do you give a guy like that who hasn't played in 2 years a pass before deciding that's who he is? I think it's way early but it will be interesting.

 

[Insein]

How many picks will Revis have?

 

[jurb26]

Yeah, the run blocking has been poo but they have protected Bradford pretty well. Bradford is just part of the problem.

How long do you give a guy like that who hasn't played in 2 years a pass before deciding that's who he is? I think it's way early but it will be interesting.

Not sure, but I was thinking about it as well. If they are 0-3 then I think you have to strongly consider it.

 

[Deamon]

Early lines out of Vegas have Eagles 2.5 point faves over the NYJ - http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/

A win, coupled with a Dallas loss to a 2-0 Falcons team, and this looks much different.

Disgusted by the start as a fan/season ticket holder. Whether it's a 'tell' signaling to other teams when and where the team is running or just poor blocking, NOTHING works if they can't at least compete at the LOS. And no, I don't believe letting Herremans and Mathis walk was a mistake. Not addressing the OLine recently via drafts has been a glaring oversight IMO.

Would be surprised if we were still favoured by tomorrow. I hope we are the underdog though.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@SportsRadioWIP: REPORT: #Eagles LB Kiko Alonso Could Miss 2-4 Weeks With ACL Sprain | http://t.co/LUu6paImg8http://t.co/gb6R2JkIYO

Seems like we dodged a bullet

 

[Insein]

@SportsRadioWIP: REPORT: #Eagles LB Kiko Alonso Could Miss 2-4 Weeks With ACL Sprain | http://t.co/LUu6paImg8http://t.co/gb6R2JkIYO

Seems like we dodged a bullet

Wow! That's incredible if true.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Colts

Ravens

Seahawks

Lions

Eagles

Giants

Saints

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0-14

 

[BobbyLayne]

Glad to Kiko will be back.

Help me understand what happened to the offensive line. Kelce has fantastic skills, as athletic as any Center in the league. Peters has been a wall for a decade. I get that's he's getting up there but has the decline been that rapid? Wasn't that long ago he was dominating. What's the story with the other three? They have a couple new guys who are just a serious downgrade? It's just shocking how bad they looked last night.

Buddy of mine posted this tonight, I was in tears. https://www.facebook.com/philadelphiaeagles/posts/956049234432850?hc_location=ufi As a Lions fan I know all about crappy starts and lousy O-line play. Not trolling here, I just thought the comments were

I can only imagine what Philly sports talk radio was like today.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Glad to Kiko will be back.

Help me understand what happened to the offensive line. Kelce has fantastic skills, as athletic as any Center in the league. Peters has been a wall for a decade. I get that's he's getting up there but has the decline been that rapid? Wasn't that long ago he was dominating. What's the story with the other three? They have a couple new guys who are just a serious downgrade? It's just shocking how bad they looked last night.

Buddy of mine posted this tonight, I was in tears. https://www.facebook.com/philadelphiaeagles/posts/956049234432850?hc_location=ufi As a Lions fan I know all about crappy starts and lousy O-line play. Not trolling here, I just thought the comments were

I can only imagine what Philly sports talk radio was like today.

*facepalm*It's actually a good thing we have road games. Smh

 

[Deamon]

@SportsRadioWIP: REPORT: #Eagles LB Kiko Alonso Could Miss 2-4 Weeks With ACL Sprain | http://t.co/LUu6paImg8http://t.co/gb6R2JkIYO

Seems like we dodged a bullet

Wow! That's incredible if true.

Ya heard a few sources on this now. Sounds like he sprained the ACL which someone mentioned was a partial tear. Likely to be closer to 3-4 weeks, but this is great news for us. I was scared I was gonna have to get another new jersey as I just got a new white Alonso jersey.

 

[Deamon]

Colts

Ravens

Seahawks

Lions

Eagles

Giants

Saints

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0-14

This is nuts. 5 of these teams were expected to be playoff teams, and other other 2 were expected to be on the bubble. Eagles/Seahawks/Colts were all vegas favourites to win their div at kickoff to week 1, and are all winless. Weird year... even weirder with the amount of big injuries already. Seems to be getting worse every year even though they're trying to make the rules cause less injuries.

I'm not worried about our record at all, just our play. 0-3 would suck though.

 

[GoBirds]

Man I thought the Jets were the easy win to get us back on track.....oops.

 

[JuniorNB]

Has the line changed at all? How can Philly possibly be 2.5 pt favorites over an unbeaten Jets team? In New York?

 

[fbelange]

Vegas is begging the public to take the Jets in week 3.

How many times in the last 7 seasons have the Jets covered their spread 3 weeks in a row to start the season? (0 I'm assuming) Or the Eagles in the last 7 years not covered their spread 3 weeks in a row to start the season? (0 I'm assuming)

 

[fred_1_15301]

Has the line changed at all? How can Philly possibly be 2.5 pt favorites over an unbeaten Jets team? In New York?

I heard on the radio that the line moved in favor of the Jets after the Jets game last night

 

[Mighty Mice]

Has the line changed at all? How can Philly possibly be 2.5 pt favorites over an unbeaten Jets team? In New York?

Still laying 2.5 if you take the Eagles. http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/

However, three casinos have 'XX' as in they pulled the line. Originally, they all had PHI -2 or -2.5. Now, only one (Westgate) is taking bets.

After a road MNF game the NYJ have a 'short week,' so that helps. Nevertheless, putrid offense 6 of 8 quarters vs. a team that has forced 10 TO's and is at home.

I don't get it. Homerism aside, I take the NYJ +2.5 all day.

 

[Insein]

Has the line changed at all? How can Philly possibly be 2.5 pt favorites over an unbeaten Jets team? In New York?

Still laying 2.5 if you take the Eagles. http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/

However, three casinos have 'XX' as in they pulled the line. Originally, they all had PHI -2 or -2.5. Now, only one (Westgate) is taking bets.

After a road MNF game the NYJ have a 'short week,' so that helps. Nevertheless, putrid offense 6 of 8 quarters vs. a team that has forced 10 TO's and is at home.

I don't get it. Homerism aside, I take the NYJ +2.5 all day.

This has that ebb and flow feel to it though. Jets riding high on a short week and had to travel home last night. Eagles utterly embarrassed have their whole season on the line Sunday. NFL has games like this every week that go against what is supposed to happen.

 

[gump]

I didn't mean to seem like a troll when I posted about the Illegal Man Downfield calls. It's a legit question in my mind.

College coaches are exploiting the fact that College refs don't call it...admittedly so.

But NFL refs call it.

Wouldn't this have a significant impact on an offense?

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Glad to Kiko will be back.

Help me understand what happened to the offensive line. Kelce has fantastic skills, as athletic as any Center in the league. Peters has been a wall for a decade. I get that's he's getting up there but has the decline been that rapid? Wasn't that long ago he was dominating. What's the story with the other three? They have a couple new guys who are just a serious downgrade? It's just shocking how bad they looked last night.

Buddy of mine posted this tonight, I was in tears. https://www.facebook.com/philadelphiaeagles/posts/956049234432850?hc_location=ufi As a Lions fan I know all about crappy starts and lousy O-line play. Not trolling here, I just thought the comments were

I can only imagine what Philly sports talk radio was like today.

Age is catching up to Peters. He wore down quite a bit toward the end of last year. He is still capable of high-level play, just not as consistently. I have heard commentary that Lane Johnson is not quite as good as his PFF numbers would suggest. Good player, but not necessarily a pro bowler.

And the guards are both new (well one has been around as a backup) and have been terrible.

Kelce is still very good (when he's not committing dumb penalties).

 

[Deamon]

@SportsRadioWIP: REPORT: #Eagles LB Kiko Alonso Could Miss 2-4 Weeks With ACL Sprain | http://t.co/LUu6paImg8http://t.co/gb6R2JkIYO

Seems like we dodged a bullet

Wow! That's incredible if true.

They're saying he still may miss the season. Partial re-tear of ACL is getting 2nd opinion to see if they're gonna shut him down for the season or play through it. Was at practice today (not practicing) but walking around without a limp. Hoping for the best here.

 

[Polish Hammer]

How did Moffitt look in the preaseason? Think he should be starting at G over one of these guys?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

How did Moffitt look in the preaseason? Think he should be starting at G over one of these guys?

He looked terrible

 

[GoBirds]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/22/eagles-wr-cowboys-were-calling-out-what-plays-were-coming/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

The ridiculous picture cards have finally been decoded?

 

[mike303]

Herremans was terrible last season. Mathis was good, but let's not forget he was a journeyman before landing in Philly and magically becoming a Pro-Bowler. These guys should not have been that difficult to replace. The change this year is that Kelce has played horribly, Peters seems to finally be aging, and Lane Johnson appears to be average so far. As was said above, Peters is more than capable of great play, but he may not be considered elite after this season. Kelce and Johnson need to step it up big time.

Chip better make some drastic changes to the play calling this week or that Jets D-Line will feast on these guys.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I took the Eagles in this week's office pick-the-winner-of-every-game pool, for no other reason that all logic dictates the Jets should win, but the NFL season has been completely illogical so far.

Amazing that of all the 0-2 teams, the Giants and the Bears are the only ones that were expected to be bad.

 

[Billy Bats]

Two days later I still have no words.