*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (4 Viewers)

[ShaHBucks]

What a tart

I'm a Steelers fan living in Philly and I try to keep things as objective as possible but I'm not sure today is the day where you should be defending Foles. He was awful today. He was put in a really good position to lead a game winning drive against a demoralized team (without maybe their best defensive player) and he failed.

It doesn't matter if you're a fan or not. How could he be "awful" completing almost 70% of his passes with 3-4 drops? The one to Kendricks is a walk in TD

As for the bold.4th and 5 at STL 39

(1:19) (Shotgun) N.Foles pass short left to K.Britt to SL 46 for 7 yards (A.Blake). The Replay Official reviewed the pass completion ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) N.Foles pass incomplete short left to K.Britt.

I'm not going to derail this thread because it's really not about Foles. Also, I really like what you bring to the table. However, I watched the game today and Foles did not have a good game. Sure his completion % was good but did he even attempt one deep pass?

ETA -- How are you going to defend the interception that Foles threw in the 4th quarter than led to the Steelers FG?

I don't defend anything, but I did catch the presser. Foles said all game the S went to the outside on that look. Allen baited him for the win. You can tell that's what he was thinking the way he floated the pass. It happens.

I seen a few deep passes to Kendricks and one to Britt that resulted in a PI. Have to check the stats when they come out, but he has a whole body of work that suggest he's not consistently dinking and dunking. Bradford is/does and actually looks "atrocious." Thread back on track

You must be so upset that your golden boy couldnt lead the rams past an awful steelers D and that a Bradford led Eagles team beat the jets. Your "favourite team" just pull out a big win and the only posts you make are defending our ex-QB and bashing our current one. Sad case of someone who'd rather be right then have their team win. Foles looked bad, get over it.

If anyone ever wants to know how I feel, you know who to ask. This guy is the spokes person for my many emotions.

*Made $200 off this game taking the Eagles +2.5. I hope that helps my issues. *should shrug*

 

[unckeyherb]

This team is really missing Maclin. I think Matthews is good and will continue to grow, but as it stands, he's too inconsistent. Agholor looks lost-I'm not really holding out much hope for him this season. Austin is worthless and Cooper is completely ineffectual. And what's up with Huff? People were thinking he could maybe take on the role of stretching the defense this year. A healthy scratch? WTF? The lack of any mid-deep to deep threat is killing this running game.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

This team is really missing Maclin. I think Matthews is good and will continue to grow, but as it stands, he's too inconsistent. Agholor looks lost-I'm not really holding out much hope for him this season. Austin is worthless and Cooper is completely ineffectual. And what's up with Huff? People were thinking he could maybe take on the role of stretching the defense this year. A healthy scratch? WTF? The lack of any mid-deep to deep threat is killing this running game.

It's kind of a circular argument, though, because Bradford isn't taking any shots downfield. Is it because we don't have a reliable deep threat, or is Bradford's inability to go deep making it look like we don't have a deep threat? I think the answer lies somewhere in between.

Kudos to Chip for making all the right adjustments coming into this game, and thank God for Darren Sproles ... but despite the win I'm not left with a ton more confidence in the passing game than I had coming in.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

This team is really missing Maclin. I think Matthews is good and will continue to grow, but as it stands, he's too inconsistent. Agholor looks lost-I'm not really holding out much hope for him this season. Austin is worthless and Cooper is completely ineffectual. And what's up with Huff? People were thinking he could maybe take on the role of stretching the defense this year. A healthy scratch? WTF? The lack of any mid-deep to deep threat is killing this running game.

Huff pulled a hammy in Friday's practice

 

[ShaHBucks]

This team is really missing Maclin. I think Matthews is good and will continue to grow, but as it stands, he's too inconsistent. Agholor looks lost-I'm not really holding out much hope for him this season. Austin is worthless and Cooper is completely ineffectual. And what's up with Huff? People were thinking he could maybe take on the role of stretching the defense this year. A healthy scratch? WTF? The lack of any mid-deep to deep threat is killing this running game.

It's kind of a circular argument, though, because Bradford isn't taking any shots downfield. Is it because we don't have a reliable deep threat, or is Bradford's inability to go deep making it look like we don't have a deep threat? I think the answer lies somewhere in between.

Kudos to Chip for making all the right adjustments coming into this game, and thank God for Darren Sproles ... but despite the win I'm not left with a ton more confidence in the passing game than I had coming in.

Pure guess, he's not taking the matchups. We went through this during the Vick/Cooper era where Vick wasn't capable of making anticipation throws. Throw long and you'd either get a long gain, pass interference, incomplete pass or a pick. The odds say stretch the field at least some percentage of the time regardless of who you have. Bradford is getting the time in the pocket to do so.

 

[unckeyherb]

This team is really missing Maclin. I think Matthews is good and will continue to grow, but as it stands, he's too inconsistent. Agholor looks lost-I'm not really holding out much hope for him this season. Austin is worthless and Cooper is completely ineffectual. And what's up with Huff? People were thinking he could maybe take on the role of stretching the defense this year. A healthy scratch? WTF? The lack of any mid-deep to deep threat is killing this running game.

It's kind of a circular argument, though, because Bradford isn't taking any shots downfield. Is it because we don't have a reliable deep threat, or is Bradford's inability to go deep making it look like we don't have a deep threat? I think the answer lies somewhere in between.

Kudos to Chip for making all the right adjustments coming into this game, and thank God for Darren Sproles ... but despite the win I'm not left with a ton more confidence in the passing game than I had coming in.

Who is the reliable deep threat? Off the top of my head, Bradford has thrown a couple deep passes to Austin-both dropped. Think Agholor has dropped more passes than he's caught. Cooper hasn't caught a pass since week 1, Huff's caught a couple. Look I'm not saying that Bradford has looked great, but he's been pretty accurate for the most part. I'd be willing to bet that the Eagles are leading the league in dropped passes. The two wheel routes that were dropped yesterday were brutal. They were good reads, perfectly placed and both would have been big gains and probably TDs.

 

[unckeyherb]

This team is really missing Maclin. I think Matthews is good and will continue to grow, but as it stands, he's too inconsistent. Agholor looks lost-I'm not really holding out much hope for him this season. Austin is worthless and Cooper is completely ineffectual. And what's up with Huff? People were thinking he could maybe take on the role of stretching the defense this year. A healthy scratch? WTF? The lack of any mid-deep to deep threat is killing this running game.

Huff pulled a hammy in Friday's practice

ah gotcha. Didn't know that, thought it was a surprise that he was scratched.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Kicker tryouts today

@RapSheet: #Eagles kicker tryouts today will include Caleb Sturgis, Nick Novak and Billy Cundiff. An ailing Cody Parkey makes this necessary.

@AlbertBreer: Also Kai Forbath, Shayne Graham and Carey Spear. https://t.co/BdWRo0QmR6

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

 

[Late225]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

It's Agholor. He needs to get on the same page with Bradford (along with all the other receivers). Maclin would be having the same issues right now.

 

[unckeyherb]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.

 

[unckeyherb]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

It's Agholor. He needs to get on the same page with Bradford (along with all the other receivers). Maclin would be having the same issues right now.

Nah, I disagree big time.

 

[Billy Bats]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.

You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.

 

[JaxBill]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.

You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.

But did he tap his chest and say "My Bad"?

 

[unckeyherb]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.

You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.

The Austin pass was a miss, but the Agholor low pass bounced off his hands. He has to catch that. And again, I'm not comparing Bradford to Brady, but the WR's aren't helping in the least.

And yeah, those two wheel routes make that a different game. I get that drops will happen, but those were barely contested.

 

[Billy Bats]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.

You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.

But did he tap his chest and say "My Bad"?

Nope, no ####-eating grin either.

 

[JuniorNB]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.

You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.

No one said everything is fine. The guy hasn't played since 2013. And has had two serious knee injuries. It takes a while to shake off the rust. And moreso, to feel security with pass rushers around you. I guess the Green Bay preseason game fooled everyone into thinking we had Joe Montana. All I was looking for (besides the win) was to see improvement. There was definite improvement over the Dallas game.

Sometimes being an Eagles fan sucks simply because we have the most miserable, pessimistic,cynical fans in the whole league. We have ShaBucks rooting harder for Foles and McCoy than he does his own team. Just so he can say he was right about not liking the trades/signings. And then guys like you pointing out every bad throw. If you were expecting Brady-like performances right out of the gate, that's on you. How about trying to be a fan and pulling some positive from the ROAD WIN AGAINST AN UNDEFEATED TEAM.

ENJOY THE WIN!!!

 

[Billy Bats]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.

You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.

The Austin pass was a miss, but the Agholor low pass bounced off his hands. He has to catch that. And again, I'm not comparing Bradford to Brady, but the WR's aren't helping in the least. And yeah, those two wheel routes make that a different game. I get that drops will happen, but those were barely contested.

You're really putting that one on Agholor?!? It was barely at his shoe laces and late while Agholor was running full speed across the middle of the field while Sam had a perfect pocket and plenty of time. Terrible miss. And Matthews drop was even a bad throw, he had to do a 180 to have a chance at it.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.

You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.

The Austin pass was a miss, but the Agholor low pass bounced off his hands. He has to catch that. And again, I'm not comparing Bradford to Brady, but the WR's aren't helping in the least.

And yeah, those two wheel routes make that a different game. I get that drops will happen, but those were barely contested.

Without looking I feel pretty comfortable saying we lead the league in drops. Between the WR's and RB's it's been VERY bad. Bradford hasn't been great (I don't think anyone is saying he is) but if your team leads the league in drops that bad for a lot of things, including rhythm which is basically our entire offense.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.

You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.

The Austin pass was a miss, but the Agholor low pass bounced off his hands. He has to catch that. And again, I'm not comparing Bradford to Brady, but the WR's aren't helping in the least. And yeah, those two wheel routes make that a different game. I get that drops will happen, but those were barely contested.

You're really putting that one on Agholor?!? It was barely at his shoe laces and late while Agholor was running full speed across the middle of the field while Sam had a perfect pocket and plenty of time. Terrible miss. And Matthews drop was even a bad throw, he had to do a 180 to have a chance at it.

Agholor HAS to catch that ball, period. This isn't HS

 

[unckeyherb]

maybe we're talking about different passes. The Agholor one I'm thinking of was low, and he had to go down to get it, but he got his body square to the ball and both hands on it. It just went right thru his hands and under his legs. I feel confident in saying that Maclin would have caught it. And I'm not saying Agholor should be Maclin, but he's got to be better.

 

[JuniorNB]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.

You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.

The Austin pass was a miss, but the Agholor low pass bounced off his hands. He has to catch that. And again, I'm not comparing Bradford to Brady, but the WR's aren't helping in the least.

And yeah, those two wheel routes make that a different game. I get that drops will happen, but those were barely contested.

Without looking I feel pretty comfortable saying we lead the league in drops. Between the WR's and RB's it's been VERY bad. Bradford hasn't been great (I don't think anyone is saying he is) but if your team leads the league in drops that bad for a lot of things, including rhythm which is basically our entire offense.

I'd love to see the stat. No doubt we have more drops than anyone.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.

You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.

The Austin pass was a miss, but the Agholor low pass bounced off his hands. He has to catch that. And again, I'm not comparing Bradford to Brady, but the WR's aren't helping in the least.

And yeah, those two wheel routes make that a different game. I get that drops will happen, but those were barely contested.

Without looking I feel pretty comfortable saying we lead the league in drops. Between the WR's and RB's it's been VERY bad. Bradford hasn't been great (I don't think anyone is saying he is) but if your team leads the league in drops that bad for a lot of things, including rhythm which is basically our entire offense.

I'd love to see the stat. No doubt we have more drops than anyone.

I know that we were second-worst, 1 behind Houston after the first 2 weeks.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.

You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.

I agree with billy here. I'm hoping that it's still rust and he will improve but I'll go back to what I said in the game thread: all of presumably being total NFL fans and fantasy football geeks, have seen Bradford for what, six years now? When I first learned of the trade to get him, I had a near stroke. A day later, I did the same thing with the Desean decision and rationalized myself into thinking maybe Chip sees something none of us have seen and so I buy in. But with every game I watch, I do not see this blue chip, cannon armed, gunslinger and master of "repetitive accuracy" machine. I read that amazing essay on him from the Ram's fan detailing his awesomeness at Oklahoma and his mastery of the spread offense. But this is not that senior in college. This is a man who's endured multiple injures including two blown ACLs since then. And so--be honest everyone--who ever prior to Bradford coming here ever would have said, "Oh Bradford--he's a top QB! I wish we had him!" I'd highly doubt any of us ever felt that while watching hi during his Rams career.

I hope I eat my words. But to me, he has not ever passed the eyeball test. And forget that GB preseason game. Sanchez looked like Montana last year in preseason.

Maybe with the running game, the D and special teams, he can be enough. But I can't ever see this guy being the center piece of the team. How many games has Chip won now thanks to the D and special teams?

I'm not trying to be a downer here. Just trying to maintain objectivity. There is nothing more in sports that I want than an eagles Super Bowl win.

 

[JuniorNB]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.

You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.

The Austin pass was a miss, but the Agholor low pass bounced off his hands. He has to catch that. And again, I'm not comparing Bradford to Brady, but the WR's aren't helping in the least.

And yeah, those two wheel routes make that a different game. I get that drops will happen, but those were barely contested.

Without looking I feel pretty comfortable saying we lead the league in drops. Between the WR's and RB's it's been VERY bad. Bradford hasn't been great (I don't think anyone is saying he is) but if your team leads the league in drops that bad for a lot of things, including rhythm which is basically our entire offense.

I'd love to see the stat. No doubt we have more drops than anyone.

I know that we were second-worst, 1 behind Houston after the first 2 weeks.

I missed the second half because of a fundraiser I had to go to, but Ryan Matthews' drop on the swing pass was absolutely criminal. He had to reach back, but a junior varsity backup makes that catch 9 times out of 10. And that would have been an easy touchdown. And a ton of yards for Bradford. I think it was pretty evident that he was going to take the Eagles down the field to win the Falcons game too, if Jordan Matthews didn't drop that ball in the middle of the field. Bradford's season sure does look a lot different without those drops.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.

You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.

No one said everything is fine. The guy hasn't played since 2013. And has had two serious knee injuries. It takes a while to shake off the rust. And moreso, to feel security with pass rushers around you. I guess the Green Bay preseason game fooled everyone into thinking we had Joe Montana. All I was looking for (besides the win) was to see improvement. There was definite improvement over the Dallas game.

Sometimes being an Eagles fan sucks simply because we have the most miserable, pessimistic,cynical fans in the whole league. We have ShaBucks rooting harder for Foles and McCoy than he does his own team. Just so he can say he was right about not liking the trades/signings. And then guys like you pointing out every bad throw. If you were expecting Brady-like performances right out of the gate, that's on you. How about trying to be a fan and pulling some positive from the ROAD WIN AGAINST AN UNDEFEATED TEAM.

ENJOY THE WIN!!!

Tell him how I feel about this comment right now Deamon

 

[ShaHBucks]

Whats the point of a forum if topics and conversations are forbidden?

 

[JuniorNB]

Whats the point of a forum if topics and conversations are forbidden?

I've said my share of negative, too. But certain "fans" seem like they get their jollies by bring critical of every move the team makes. You, for example. If someone read all of your posts in this thread, they would probably think you're a Dallas fan trying to be a troll. And why would an Eagles fan have an ex-Eagle (and one who talked terribly about them) as his avatar? There's not one current eagle that you like?

Hey, you're right..you can post anything you like. And you can get your rocks off by claiming some sort of victory if Nick Foles happens to have a good game along the way. But I also have the right to say how much certain Eagle fans suck.

Since you never seem to have a good thing to say about Kelly or the team, in general, what do you think of his decision to sign Darren Sproles? I've never heard you mention that. Or doesn't it fit your agenda when he pulls a brilliant move?

 

[ShaHBucks]

Whats the point of a forum if topics and conversations are forbidden?

I've said my share of negative, too. But certain "fans" seem like they get their jollies by bring critical of every move the team makes. You, for example. If someone read all of your posts in this thread, they would probably think you're a Dallas fan trying to be a troll. And why would an Eagles fan have an ex-Eagle (and one who talked terribly about them) as his avatar? There's not one current eagle that you like?

Hey, you're right..you can post anything you like. And you can get your rocks off by claiming some sort of victory if Nick Foles happens to have a good game along the way. But I also have the right to say how much certain Eagle fans suck.

Since you never seem to have a good thing to say about Kelly or the team, in general, what do you think of his decision to sign Darren Sproles? I've never heard you mention that. Or doesn't it fit your agenda when he pulls a brilliant move?

Learn the difference in being critical and being a critical thinker

 

[Billy Bats]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.

You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.

No one said everything is fine. The guy hasn't played since 2013. And has had two serious knee injuries. It takes a while to shake off the rust. And moreso, to feel security with pass rushers around you. I guess the Green Bay preseason game fooled everyone into thinking we had Joe Montana. All I was looking for (besides the win) was to see improvement. There was definite improvement over the Dallas game.Sometimes being an Eagles fan sucks simply because we have the most miserable, pessimistic,cynical fans in the whole league. We have ShaBucks rooting harder for Foles and McCoy than he does his own team. Just so he can say he was right about not liking the trades/signings. And then guys like you pointing out every bad throw. If you were expecting Brady-like performances right out of the gate, that's on you. How about trying to be a fan and pulling some positive from the ROAD WIN AGAINST AN UNDEFEATED TEAM.

ENJOY THE WIN!!!

Come on man that's tired. Can't we just have a discussion on a certain player? There were plenty of positives. Eric Rowe, Hicks, NOLAN CARROL!, R.Matthews, Sproles of course, defense in general sans Byron. And I'll give ya a too for the win! Good stuff getting a W.

Different view, I just didn't see much, if any, improvement from Bradford. That's all. I get the whole injury rust thing but we're three weeks in. Yes, he showed what he can do against Green Bay preseason but we can't just throw that out now because he's struggling and fits your opinion. Is that my fault for hoping to get 1/2-2/3 of that performance by now? He looks like Bobby Hoying more than the Bradford I hope to get.

And , Mikey Miss just said Bradford flat out stinks right now. (At least I haven't gone that far. )

 

[unckeyherb]

If Mikey Miss says he stinks, expect 400 yards and 3 TD's next week.

 

[JuniorNB]

Who is the reliable deep threat?

Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.

Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.

You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.

No one said everything is fine. The guy hasn't played since 2013. And has had two serious knee injuries. It takes a while to shake off the rust. And moreso, to feel security with pass rushers around you. I guess the Green Bay preseason game fooled everyone into thinking we had Joe Montana. All I was looking for (besides the win) was to see improvement. There was definite improvement over the Dallas game.Sometimes being an Eagles fan sucks simply because we have the most miserable, pessimistic,cynical fans in the whole league. We have ShaBucks rooting harder for Foles and McCoy than he does his own team. Just so he can say he was right about not liking the trades/signings. And then guys like you pointing out every bad throw. If you were expecting Brady-like performances right out of the gate, that's on you. How about trying to be a fan and pulling some positive from the ROAD WIN AGAINST AN UNDEFEATED TEAM.

ENJOY THE WIN!!!

Come on man that's tired. Can't we just have a discussion on a certain player? There were plenty of positives. Eric Rowe, Hicks, NOLAN CARROL!, R.Matthews, Sproles of course, defense in general sans Byron. And I'll give ya a too for the win! Good stuff getting a W.

Different view, I just didn't see much, if any, improvement from Bradford. That's all. I get the whole injury rust thing but we're three weeks in. Yes, he showed what he can do against Green Bay preseason but we can't just throw that out now because he's struggling and fits your opinion. Is that my fault for hoping to get 1/2-2/3 of that performance by now? He looks like Bobby Hoying more than the Bradford I hope to get.

And , Mikey Miss just said Bradford flat out stinks right now. (At least I haven't gone that far. )

You do know that defenses run pretty vanilla schemes in the preseason, right? They aren't showing their blitz packages or all their line stunts. I, too, got excited when I saw how well Bradford played in that Green Bay game. I didn't think he'd be 10 for 10 every half, but I liked the timing he seemed to have with his receivers. And that's seems to be off now that the season started.

I really can't understand how you didn't see massive improvement in his play over the Dallas game. I was at that game and he never seemed comfortable. Feet never seemed to be planted right. And the interception in the end zone was one of the poorest QB choices I ever saw. He was a few drops from having a great stat line yesterday. He's still not there. But the fact that they're one game out of first and he's going in the right direction, gives me a lot of hope. I'm pulling very hard for him to right the ship because if not, it's Sanchez time. And he's no better than Foles. And then we're right back to being that team that either misses the playoffs or gets their and gets eliminated in one game. We need to hope Bradford can end up being better than the Foles and Sanchez's of the league or we have no hopes to ever get deep into the playoffs.

 

[Billy Bats]

I'm with ya JNB I want him to get it straight too, believe me. He went 5/11 for 30 yards in the second half and I seen a stagnant overall game and not the massive improvement you did.

 

[Deamon]

Whats the point of a forum if topics and conversations are forbidden?

I've said my share of negative, too. But certain "fans" seem like they get their jollies by bring critical of every move the team makes. You, for example. If someone read all of your posts in this thread, they would probably think you're a Dallas fan trying to be a troll. And why would an Eagles fan have an ex-Eagle (and one who talked terribly about them) as his avatar? There's not one current eagle that you like?

Hey, you're right..you can post anything you like. And you can get your rocks off by claiming some sort of victory if Nick Foles happens to have a good game along the way. But I also have the right to say how much certain Eagle fans suck.

Since you never seem to have a good thing to say about Kelly or the team, in general, what do you think of his decision to sign Darren Sproles? I've never heard you mention that. Or doesn't it fit your agenda when he pulls a brilliant move?

Bang on. And he won't answer this, nor will he answer all the positives he sees with the team... it will just be some snarky answer or "tell me what I'm thinking Deamon" rather then admit positives. He claimed Chip assembled a #### team and he was off the bandwagon a while back. Yet somehow he still cheers bets on this team. I have very little doubt that if we played the Rams this year he'd secretly be hoping Foles had a better game then Bradford. Can anyone ACTUALLY see him coming in this thread and being excited that Bradford had a great performance/win and Foles looked awful and we beat them badly? What kind of fan does that? Calling it critical thinking is a pretty lazy excuse, yet there's always an excuse or response to everything. Unless he's called out on something and just goes completely quiet and won't respond (like how he said he's off of the bandwagon and done with this team)

Those arguing against Bradford think that those arguing for Bradford are calling him a savior or stud QB. We aren't. No one is saying that. But if his receivers didn't drop so many damn balls, or our oline opened up our run game the first two weeks, would we have as much complaining about him if we were 3-0? He has struggled, but I DID see SOME improvement.... and as long as he's improving even a tiny bit each week, he's going in the right direction. Let's see what he does the next few weeks before hanging the guy.

 

[Deamon]

I'm with ya JNB I want him to get it straight too, believe me. He went 5/11 for 30 yards in the second half and I seen a stagnant overall game and not the massive improvement you did.

I didn't see massive improvement, but I saw some improvement. It seems when he gets in a rut, or overthinks things, it affects his throws. Preseason there's little pressure, he just goes out loose and plays football. I think a lot of this is mental because he clearly has the arm and accuracy to be the QB we need him to be, he just needs to play loose. Maybe the season opener, then the big game vs Dallas got to him a little, and combined with his rust, affected his play.

He needs to be better no doubt, but I'm cautiously optimistic that he'll be a bit more calm and sling it a bit vs Washington. It has to be demoralizing and make you overthink your throws when you keep getting picked off in important situations, or you miss out on TD's because your receivers dropped the ball. Hopefully the drops stop so he can loosen up and get into a rhythm.

 

[JuniorNB]

Whats the point of a forum if topics and conversations are forbidden?

I've said my share of negative, too. But certain "fans" seem like they get their jollies by bring critical of every move the team makes. You, for example. If someone read all of your posts in this thread, they would probably think you're a Dallas fan trying to be a troll. And why would an Eagles fan have an ex-Eagle (and one who talked terribly about them) as his avatar? There's not one current eagle that you like?

Hey, you're right..you can post anything you like. And you can get your rocks off by claiming some sort of victory if Nick Foles happens to have a good game along the way. But I also have the right to say how much certain Eagle fans suck.

Since you never seem to have a good thing to say about Kelly or the team, in general, what do you think of his decision to sign Darren Sproles? I've never heard you mention that. Or doesn't it fit your agenda when he pulls a brilliant move?

Bang on. And he won't answer this, nor will he answer all the positives he sees with the team... it will just be some snarky answer or "tell me what I'm thinking Deamon" rather then admit positives. He claimed Chip assembled a #### team and he was off the bandwagon a while back. Yet somehow he still cheers bets on this team. I have very little doubt that if we played the Rams this year he'd secretly be hoping Foles had a better game then Bradford. Can anyone ACTUALLY see him coming in this thread and being excited that Bradford had a great performance/win and Foles looked awful and we beat them badly? What kind of fan does that? Calling it critical thinking is a pretty lazy excuse, yet there's always an excuse or response to everything. Unless he's called out on something and just goes completely quiet and won't respond (like how he said he's off of the bandwagon and done with this team)

Those arguing against Bradford think that those arguing for Bradford are calling him a savior or stud QB. We aren't. No one is saying that. But if his receivers didn't drop so many damn balls, or our oline opened up our run game the first two weeks, would we have as much complaining about him if we were 3-0? He has struggled, but I DID see SOME improvement.... and as long as he's improving even a tiny bit each week, he's going in the right direction. Let's see what he does the next few weeks before hanging the guy.

I'm just an Eagles fan. Period. And when a player becomes and Eagle, I become a fan. I hated Mike Vick with a passion. But once he was our quarterback, it was to my benefit as a fan to hope the guy played well.

I didn't see the second half, so I have to take Billy Bats' word that Bradford looked very pedestrian. Obviously, 30 yards isn't a half worth bragging about. But he looked a lot better in the first half than he did against Dallas. A lot. If he doesn't keep improving, he could eventually be benched in favor of Sanchez. And that would be a disaster. Because even if he played to the best of his potential, Philly isn't beating Dallas, Arizona, Green Bay, or Seattle in the playoffs. I'm tired of 10-6 and no playoffs. Just good enough to not get a decent draft pick. Bradford is still young. We may not have seen the best of him yet. And if we want a chance to get to the Super Bowl in the next few years, we need the Bradford we saw against Green Bay in preseason. So to not be rooting for him just so we can say 'I told you so', is something a Cowboy or Giants fan should be saying. Not a so-called Eagles fan.

 

[renesauz]

I'm just an Eagles fan. Period. And when a player becomes and Eagle, I become a fan. I hated Mike Vick with a passion. But once he was our quarterback, it was to my benefit as a fan to hope the guy played well.

I didn't see the second half, so I have to take Billy Bats' word that Bradford looked very pedestrian. Obviously, 30 yards isn't a half worth bragging about. But he looked a lot better in the first half than he did against Dallas. A lot. If he doesn't keep improving, he could eventually be benched in favor of Sanchez. And that would be a disaster. Because even if he played to the best of his potential, Philly isn't beating Dallas, Arizona, Green Bay, or Seattle in the playoffs. I'm tired of 10-6 and no playoffs. Just good enough to not get a decent draft pick. Bradford is still young. We may not have seen the best of him yet. And if we want a chance to get to the Super Bowl in the next few years, we need the Bradford we saw against Green Bay in preseason. So to not be rooting for him just so we can say 'I told you so', is something a Cowboy or Giants fan should be saying. Not a so-called Eagles fan.

BINGO

 

[ShaHBucks]

Fly Eagles Fly?

 

[Mighty Mice]

Eagles - Redskins week. Always interesting. Lots of speculation DeSean gets back on the field this week and you know he wants to ball out against his old team.

Line opens at PHI -3. Favored to win on the road for the second straight week, never an easy thing in the NFL. Opportunity to get back to 2-2 with 7 home games left on the schedule.

IF they can pull out a win (not a given by any stretch), one could make a case this squad, for all the bad things we've seen, was a Cody Parkey missed FG away from a 3-1 start with a favorable home/travel schedule on the horizon.

Don't play the funeral music before the body dies, gentlemen. Saw lots of encouraging things yesterday, mostly all of them on D and ST. Overall, the D and ST play has been great this year absent a few lapses (T. Williams TD reception, etc)

 

[Deamon]

Eagles - Redskins week. Always interesting. Lots of speculation DeSean gets back on the field this week and you know he wants to ball out against his old team.

Line opens at PHI -3. Favored to win on the road for the second straight week, never an easy thing in the NFL. Opportunity to get back to 2-2 with 7 home games left on the schedule.

IF they can pull out a win (not a given by any stretch), one could make a case this squad, for all the bad things we've seen, was a Cody Parkey missed FG away from a 3-1 start with a favorable home/travel schedule on the horizon.

Don't play the funeral music before the body dies, gentlemen. Saw lots of encouraging things yesterday, mostly all of them on D and ST. Overall, the D and ST play has been great this year absent a few lapses (T. Williams TD reception, etc)

We were only favoured on the opening line which was before the Jets beat up on Indy in their week 2 game. Tuesday morning we were 2.5 point underdogs. I think I'd rather be underdogs haha.

I do worry about Maxwell on Desean. He played much better this week though, but you're right, Desean shows up against us and will want this one badly. They couldn't get anything going last week vs the Giants, but they have a long 10 days to figure it out and game plan for us. Hope Chip makes some more adjustments and isn't just satisfied with that win and plays the same way.

We seemed to play well vs tight ends this year (which is a first for us), but Reed is probably the best tight end we've seen this year in terms of speed and strength (atl and NYJ had no one, and witten isn't as fast as Reed). Hope we can still shut down Reed from having a big game but he is my biggest worry.

I see a 20-13 game.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@MikeGarafolo: Eagles are signing K Caleb Sturgis after today's workout. He and Kai Forbath were the finalists.

 

[Billy Bats]

Parkey to IR out for the season.

 

[Insein]

Parkey to IR out for the season.

That's a shame for him but something was definitely wrong. He was booming it out of the end zone last year and barely making the goal line this year.

 

[Ash]

All 22 just came out, but won't have time to watch until later today.

Since there's so much debate on Bradford I thought I'd throw my $.02 in. I might change my mind once I watch again, but based on a thorough look at the first two games and the live watch of the 3rd, I think Bradford's performance has deteriorated each week. I thought he had a good game in Week 1, was patchy but had some really nice throws and was victimised by drops in Week 2 but the Jets game had more misses on him and the only throw that I thought was really a great pass was the wheel route that Sproles dropped. There were other drops as well, Mathews had another really bad one, and other throws that could have been caught, like Agholor's but Bradford's accuracy was really off in that game, on first watch. It's hard to see live whether he's missing opportunities unless the coverage points it out. The only positive from that game really was that there was no turnover in the passing game. 50% completion, 118 yds and 4.2 YPA along with the number of 3 and outs is not good enough, especially with a functional run game for the first time this year. I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt for a guy who hasn't played in a year and a half, in a new system with new teammates but if he doesn't pick it up markedly in the 2nd quarter of the season, the team will struggle to be a threat to good teams.

On the other hand, I think Maxwell has improved a bit each week. I think he's adjusting to the different things we're asking him to do, and Davis seems to be playing the CBs tighter which suits him better as well. The tighter coverage suited Rowe as well, as the footwork/technique side of things is less important then. Most of the time the Jets really moved the ball, like the drive before the half, we'd switched to mostly zone coverage for some reason, and Fitzpatrick was able to find the holes.

 

[Billy Bats]

I'm with ya JNB I want him to get it straight too, believe me. He went 5/11 for 30 yards in the second half and I seen a stagnant overall game and not the massive improvement you did.

I didn't see massive improvement, but I saw some improvement. It seems when he gets in a rut, or overthinks things, it affects his throws. Preseason there's little pressure, he just goes out loose and plays football. I think a lot of this is mental because he clearly has the arm and accuracy to be the QB we need him to be, he just needs to play loose. Maybe the season opener, then the big game vs Dallas got to him a little, and combined with his rust, affected his play. He needs to be better no doubt, but I'm cautiously optimistic that he'll be a bit more calm and sling it a bit vs Washington. It has to be demoralizing and make you overthink your throws when you keep getting picked off in important situations, or you miss out on TD's because your receivers dropped the ball. Hopefully the drops stop so he can loosen up and get into a rhythm.

Even BDawk has said its going to take him at least 4 games to get up to speed and comfortable with playing football again. So sure we can only hope that's the case. But for crying out loud Alex Smith throws downfield more than he does. If they didn't have the wheel route working occasionally they would be screwed. He seems to stare down his option or check down immediately. Hopefully that comes with being comfortable. And yes his WRs are not making things easier, at all.

 

[eaglesfan7]

You guys just repeated everything I heard on 97.5 today. Nice

 

[Billy Bats]

You guys just repeated everything I heard on 97.5 today. Nice

Cool. Did you hear Jaws? He loves Sam wanted to hear what he had to say.

 

[GoBirds]

Getting deep in here.....instead of hating on all Chip's moves how about the acquisition of that Sproles guy. That worked out OK.

 

[JuniorNB]

Getting deep in here.....instead of hating on all Chip's moves how about the acquisition of that Sproles guy. That worked out OK.

I asked that direct question to ShaHBucks. Predictably, he ignored it. Lol. The troll

 

[Billy Bats]

Eskin: More bad injury news for #Eagles. I'm told OG Andrew Gardner foot injury is Lis Franc. Could be out for season. @FOX29philly

7:41pm - 28 Sep 15