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*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (5 Viewers)

Billy Bats said:
Eskin: More bad injury news for #Eagles. I'm told OG Andrew Gardner foot injury is Lis Franc. Could be out for season. @FOX29philly

7:41pm - 28 Sep 15
Damn. Our Oline played better but the depth is getting to be a serious issue. Especially with Peters hobbling off every 10 plays.

Wonder if we can get some olinemen from the Bears in their fire sale :P

 
JuniorNB said:
GoBirds said:
Getting deep in here.....instead of hating on all Chip's moves how about the acquisition of that Sproles guy. That worked out OK.
I asked that direct question to ShaHBucks. Predictably, he ignored it. Lol. The troll
OMG! You're so cool!
 
JuniorNB said:
GoBirds said:
Getting deep in here.....instead of hating on all Chip's moves how about the acquisition of that Sproles guy. That worked out OK.
I asked that direct question to ShaHBucks. Predictably, he ignored it. Lol. The troll
OMG! You're so cool!
there you are! So? How about Chip's decision to get Sproles?
Look it up in the ####### 2014 thread it it'll make your night. Really, wtf are you talking about? I went as far as to calling Chip a genius and raved about the Def/ST a long time ago.

The only things I've went on about was the risk management of moving Foles for Bradford, Maxwell not being worth it, and overpaying Murray(this weekends game with a committee attack proved me wrong?).

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Billy Bats said:
unckeyherb said:
Who is the reliable deep threat?
Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.
Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.
You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.
The Austin pass was a miss, but the Agholor low pass bounced off his hands. He has to catch that. And again, I'm not comparing Bradford to Brady, but the WR's aren't helping in the least. And yeah, those two wheel routes make that a different game. I get that drops will happen, but those were barely contested.
You're really putting that one on Agholor?!? It was barely at his shoe laces and late while Agholor was running full speed across the middle of the field while Sam had a perfect pocket and plenty of time. Terrible miss. And Matthews drop was even a bad throw, he had to do a 180 to have a chance at it.
Agholor HAS to catch that ball, period. This isn't HS
Watch this highlight again and tell me it's on Nelson. Bradford HAS to complete that pass for a TD. Protection, time, stepping into the pocket and throw and he tosses a knuckleball. This isn't pee wee football. It's the last throw in this "very good game" highlights of the half junior watched. http://www.crossingbroad.com/2015/09/and-now-bad-throws-by-sam-bradford.html

 
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Bigboy10182000 said:
Billy Bats said:
unckeyherb said:
Who is the reliable deep threat?
Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.
Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.
You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.
The Austin pass was a miss, but the Agholor low pass bounced off his hands. He has to catch that. And again, I'm not comparing Bradford to Brady, but the WR's aren't helping in the least. And yeah, those two wheel routes make that a different game. I get that drops will happen, but those were barely contested.
You're really putting that one on Agholor?!? It was barely at his shoe laces and late while Agholor was running full speed across the middle of the field while Sam had a perfect pocket and plenty of time. Terrible miss. And Matthews drop was even a bad throw, he had to do a 180 to have a chance at it.
Agholor HAS to catch that ball, period. This isn't HS
Watch this highlight again and tell me it's on Nelson. Bradford HAS to complete that pass for a TD. Protection, time, stepping into the pocket and throw and he tosses a knuckleball. This isn't pee wee football. It's the last throw in this "very good game" highlights of the half junior watched. http://www.crossingbroad.com/2015/09/and-now-bad-throws-by-sam-bradford.html
An NFL quarterback threw a bad pass? Oh my. How does he still have a job? I bet he was the only one to make a bad throw. You and your brother ShaHBucks should start your own thread about how horrible every Eagle player is. Or better yet, buy a Romo jersey and become a Dallas cockroach. Then you can really have a ball blasting Chip and his players.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Billy Bats said:
unckeyherb said:
Who is the reliable deep threat?
Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.
Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.
You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.
The Austin pass was a miss, but the Agholor low pass bounced off his hands. He has to catch that. And again, I'm not comparing Bradford to Brady, but the WR's aren't helping in the least. And yeah, those two wheel routes make that a different game. I get that drops will happen, but those were barely contested.
You're really putting that one on Agholor?!? It was barely at his shoe laces and late while Agholor was running full speed across the middle of the field while Sam had a perfect pocket and plenty of time. Terrible miss. And Matthews drop was even a bad throw, he had to do a 180 to have a chance at it.
Agholor HAS to catch that ball, period. This isn't HS
Watch this highlight again and tell me it's on Nelson. Bradford HAS to complete that pass for a TD. Protection, time, stepping into the pocket and throw and he tosses a knuckleball. This isn't pee wee football. It's the last throw in this "very good game" highlights of the half junior watched. http://www.crossingbroad.com/2015/09/and-now-bad-throws-by-sam-bradford.html
An NFL quarterback threw a bad pass? Oh my. How does he still have a job? I bet he was the only one to make a bad throw. You and your brother ShaHBucks should start your own thread about how horrible every Eagle player is. Or better yet, buy a Romo jersey and become a Dallas cockroach. Then you can really have a ball blasting Chip and his players.
:lmao: Massive improvements. Very good game. Don't quit your day job. :lmao:

 
This thread is disintegrating :(
Apparently no Eagles can be criticized. I apologize for talking football, the ones wearing green tinted glasses apparently can't handle a criticizing opinion. :shrug: Seeyas later. :thumbdown:
every fan in this thread has criticized the Eagles. But you two do nothing but. Its sickening. You're worse than Cowboy fans. Now go root for Maclin to have a good game so you can gloat about Kelly not signing him.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Billy Bats said:
unckeyherb said:
Who is the reliable deep threat?
Oh, I don't think we have one on this roster. But Chip's buying the groceries these days, so whose fault is that?

I don't fault him for letting Maclin leave rather than overpaying him, but thinking you're going to replace that element of his game with some combination of Agholor, Cooper, and Josh F. Huff is wishful thinking at best.
Oh, I agree that this is a Chip issue-I'm just saying that I think its far more about personnel than it is about Bradford.
You guys are sticking to those two dropped wheel routes and thinking everything is fine. He overthrew Austin deep by 5 yards. Had a perfect pocket and all day and threw a McNabb to Agholor 30 yards downfield. Threw behind and over receivers countless times. He was just as bad yesterday as he's been the first two weeks. Sure, he threw a couple nice passes with two big drops, but his work as a whole was pretty bad.
The Austin pass was a miss, but the Agholor low pass bounced off his hands. He has to catch that. And again, I'm not comparing Bradford to Brady, but the WR's aren't helping in the least. And yeah, those two wheel routes make that a different game. I get that drops will happen, but those were barely contested.
You're really putting that one on Agholor?!? It was barely at his shoe laces and late while Agholor was running full speed across the middle of the field while Sam had a perfect pocket and plenty of time. Terrible miss. And Matthews drop was even a bad throw, he had to do a 180 to have a chance at it.
Agholor HAS to catch that ball, period. This isn't HS
Watch this highlight again and tell me it's on Nelson. Bradford HAS to complete that pass for a TD. Protection, time, stepping into the pocket and throw and he tosses a knuckleball. This isn't pee wee football. It's the last throw in this "very good game" highlights of the half junior watched. http://www.crossingbroad.com/2015/09/and-now-bad-throws-by-sam-bradford.html
I actually always watch the games twice and you and I seem to hold NFL WR's to different standards. It wasn't a good ball by Bradford but still has to be caught.

 
This thread is disintegrating :(
Apparently no Eagles can be criticized. I apologize for talking football, the ones wearing green tinted glasses apparently can't handle a criticizing opinion. :shrug: Seeyas later. :thumbdown:
every fan in this thread has criticized the Eagles. But you two do nothing but. Its sickening. You're worse than Cowboy fans.Now go root for Maclin to have a good game so you can gloat about Kelly not signing him.
Really? Billy is one of the most objective posters on this site IMO. If he's critical towards the Eagles, it's probably legit. :shrug:

ETA -- I've seen Billy post in the baseball forum, the hockey thread and the football threads and I have absolutely zero vibe that he's overly critical. He just calls it like he sees it.

 
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This thread is disintegrating :(
Apparently no Eagles can be criticized. I apologize for talking football, the ones wearing green tinted glasses apparently can't handle a criticizing opinion. :shrug: Seeyas later. :thumbdown:
every fan in this thread has criticized the Eagles. But you two do nothing but. Its sickening. You're worse than Cowboy fans. Now go root for Maclin to have a good game so you can gloat about Kelly not signing him.
Lighten up Francis.

Kellys made some good moves and some bad moves. He made himself a target and the offense has looked the worst its been since he got here. Criticism is warranted.

He'll I was listening to Missinelli go on about how cheap we could get Kaepernick this off season after the crash and burn he does in SF and with the way Bradford has been, it was sounding like a good idea. And I hate Kaepernick. That's how bad its been.

 
This thread is disintegrating :(
Apparently no Eagles can be criticized. I apologize for talking football, the ones wearing green tinted glasses apparently can't handle a criticizing opinion. :shrug: Seeyas later. :thumbdown:
every fan in this thread has criticized the Eagles. But you two do nothing but. Its sickening. You're worse than Cowboy fans.Now go root for Maclin to have a good game so you can gloat about Kelly not signing him.
Lighten up Francis.

Kellys made some good moves and some bad moves. He made himself a target and the offense has looked the worst its been since he got here. Criticism is warranted.

He'll I was listening to Missinelli go on about how cheap we could get Kaepernick this off season after the crash and burn he does in SF and with the way Bradford has been, it was sounding like a good idea. And I hate Kaepernick. That's how bad its been.
You know this is funny. Mikey Miss was patting himself on the back for calling this win against the Jets but you won't hear a peep about how much he was pimping Kaepernick 2 years ago.

 
The thread has gotten off the beat and path but Junior isn't as wrong as some would like him to be.

There's a fine line between people criticizing and seeming bitter or resentful.

 
JuniorNB said:
GoBirds said:
Getting deep in here.....instead of hating on all Chip's moves how about the acquisition of that Sproles guy. That worked out OK.
I asked that direct question to ShaHBucks. Predictably, he ignored it. Lol. The troll
OMG! You're so cool!
there you are! So? How about Chip's decision to get Sproles?
Look it up in the ####### 2014 thread it it'll make your night.Really, wtf are you talking about? I went as far as to calling Chip a genius and raved about the Def/ST a long time ago.

The only things I've went on about was the risk management of moving Foles for Bradford, Maxwell not being worth it, and overpaying Murray(this weekends game with a committee attack proved me wrong?).
You went as far to say you were off the bandwagon and done with this S H I T roster that Chip put together. Nice backtracking saying it was only a few things. Look, you are clearly so determined to 'be right'.... look through the thread, you've called people out for not making the great predictions you have, said how right you were over and over, how deep of a thinker you are, and always keep trying to prove yourself right despite what happens to the team. We get it, you like to make predictions and are too stubborn to ever admit you're wrong, and would rather be right then have your team win. It's getting pathetic, can't you just leave again? Anytime someone calls you out on something you try to find a way to cover it up, say you were right all along, ignore the question, or make fun of the person challenging you. Just give it up man, its over.

 
This thread is disintegrating :(
Apparently no Eagles can be criticized. I apologize for talking football, the ones wearing green tinted glasses apparently can't handle a criticizing opinion. :shrug: Seeyas later. :thumbdown:
every fan in this thread has criticized the Eagles. But you two do nothing but. Its sickening. You're worse than Cowboy fans.Now go root for Maclin to have a good game so you can gloat about Kelly not signing him.
Lighten up Francis.

Kellys made some good moves and some bad moves. He made himself a target and the offense has looked the worst its been since he got here. Criticism is warranted.

He'll I was listening to Missinelli go on about how cheap we could get Kaepernick this off season after the crash and burn he does in SF and with the way Bradford has been, it was sounding like a good idea. And I hate Kaepernick. That's how bad its been.
Has the offense looked better since he got here or not? Are we better since he got here or what? It's one thing to be critical, its another to be so stubborn and wanting to be right so bad that you go against your own team. Anyways, you clearly have been one of the best eagles posters in recent years so I hope you can have a positive outlook if we win next week.

 
The thread has gotten off the beat and path but Junior isn't as wrong as some would like him to be.

There's a fine line between people criticizing and seeming bitter or resentful.
Exactly. I'm glad you are still on Chip's side and can discuss things in some positive light.

 
This thread is disintegrating :(
Apparently no Eagles can be criticized. I apologize for talking football, the ones wearing green tinted glasses apparently can't handle a criticizing opinion. :shrug: Seeyas later. :thumbdown:
every fan in this thread has criticized the Eagles. But you two do nothing but. Its sickening. You're worse than Cowboy fans.Now go root for Maclin to have a good game so you can gloat about Kelly not signing him.
Lighten up Francis.Kellys made some good moves and some bad moves. He made himself a target and the offense has looked the worst its been since he got here. Criticism is warranted.

He'll I was listening to Missinelli go on about how cheap we could get Kaepernick this off season after the crash and burn he does in SF and with the way Bradford has been, it was sounding like a good idea. And I hate Kaepernick. That's how bad its been.
Has the offense looked better since he got here or not? Are we better since he got here or what? It's one thing to be critical, its another to be so stubborn and wanting to be right so bad that you go against your own team. Anyways, you clearly have been one of the best eagles posters in recent years so I hope you can have a positive outlook if we win next week.
I bought into Bradford but you know I was one of the biggest Foles guys there was. So it took awhile. My first gut instinct when we made the trade was we got hosed in that deal. Preseason made me think there was a chance we could break even or come out ahead. These first 3 games are making me revert back to my first instinct.

I've had Bradford on my fantasy team a couple times. He was way below average and always seem to be underachieving. I thought that when we got him that Jeff Fisher fleeced Kelly in this trade. Everyone this off season sold me on the idea of Bradford probably the same way Rams fans had to try to sell themselves every season.

All I know is that with Vick, Foles, Barkley, Sanchez this offense NEVER looked as bad as it did in week 2 and week 3 the QB didn't look much better. So call me concerned. I'll take the win but I'm less than happy.

 
This thread is disintegrating :(
Apparently no Eagles can be criticized. I apologize for talking football, the ones wearing green tinted glasses apparently can't handle a criticizing opinion. :shrug: Seeyas later. :thumbdown:
every fan in this thread has criticized the Eagles. But you two do nothing but. Its sickening. You're worse than Cowboy fans.Now go root for Maclin to have a good game so you can gloat about Kelly not signing him.
Really? Billy is one of the most objective posters on this site IMO. If he's critical towards the Eagles, it's probably legit. :shrug:

ETA -- I've seen Billy post in the baseball forum, the hockey thread and the football threads and I have absolutely zero vibe that he's overly critical. He just calls it like he sees it.
Pretty much what I try to do, thanks Fred.Edit: deleted everything else not worth joiniing the muck and nonsense, let's move on.

 
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First off, I want to extend an apology to Billy Bats. It's been brought to my attention that he's been a loyal Eagles fan for years and has many positive things to say about them. I read your comments about Bradford the past few days and jumped to the conclusion that you were a troll like ShaHBucks. Again, I apologize. Any genuine Eagles fan is ok in my book. :hifive:

As for ShaHbucks, is there any doubt that he's be much happier to see the Rams and Foles win the Super Bowl than he would be to see the Eagles? He's more worried about being right and trolling everyone than being an actual Eagles fan. I'd rather a guy like Steadymobbin pop in and be a jerk, knowing he's a Dallas fan, than have a guy like Shahbucks pose as an Eagles fan just to be an ###.

 
The guy that's impressed me the most is Malcom Jenkins. MVP of the early season.
Thurmond as well. How much of a concern was the 2nd safety spot all offseason? I haven't heard a peep about it now - for a guy playing the spot for the first time, he's doing awesome (and are the Giants kicking themselves for letting him go, instead of moving him to safety as well)

 
Re: Bradford, whats done is done. I'm just hopeful Kelly can get him over the hump and work his magic on him. Best thing for the franchise long term now is to try and see if we can tread water while he works out his issues, and hopefully turns it around.

 
Re: Bradford, whats done is done. I'm just hopeful Kelly can get him over the hump and work his magic on him. Best thing for the franchise long term now is to try and see if we can tread water while he works out his issues, and hopefully turns it around.
You just know Kelly's already looking to "better deal" him this off season. He couldn't handle Foles limitations. Bradford's must be maddening. I can't see those contract talks resuming till season ends if at all.

 
Re: Bradford, whats done is done. I'm just hopeful Kelly can get him over the hump and work his magic on him. Best thing for the franchise long term now is to try and see if we can tread water while he works out his issues, and hopefully turns it around.
You just know Kelly's already looking to "better deal" him this off season. He couldn't handle Foles limitations. Bradford's must be maddening. I can't see those contract talks resuming till season ends if at all.
Extending Bradford's contract at this point would be basically the dictionary definition of "throwing good money after bad".

Chip the GM may or may not have gotten hosed in the trade (still too early to tell), but when that happens you cut your losses. Doubling down on a losing bet is the kind of thing the Ruben Amaros of the world do.

 
Re: Bradford, whats done is done. I'm just hopeful Kelly can get him over the hump and work his magic on him. Best thing for the franchise long term now is to try and see if we can tread water while he works out his issues, and hopefully turns it around.
You just know Kelly's already looking to "better deal" him this off season. He couldn't handle Foles limitations. Bradford's must be maddening. I can't see those contract talks resuming till season ends if at all.
Extending Bradford's contract at this point would be basically the dictionary definition of "throwing good money after bad".

Chip the GM may or may not have gotten hosed in the trade (still too early to tell), but when that happens you cut your losses. Doubling down on a losing bet is the kind of thing the Ruben Amaros of the world do.
I've generally liked the moves Chip made (with the exception of Maxwell). But if he signs Bradford long-term before he grasps it and seems to be the answer, then I'm going to have a serious problem with that. Green Bay preseason Bradford, I'd gladly take. Even second half of the Atlanta game-Bradford. But his 2015 season scorecard looks like this: 2 very good quarters. 2 good quarters. 8 bad quarters. That's not a long term solution. I'm still patient and know he hasn't played in two years, but he better show he's a top 10-15 quarterback before Kelly even considers signing an extension. If he's not, they may as well have kept Foles.

 
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Yeah it's really too bad we got rid of Nick Foles, dude is setting the world on fire over in St. Louis.

Would still rather have the potential of Bradford than Foles....that said it's just about time for him to put up or shut up.

Hard to tell how much of it is him and how much is the awful line play, as we all know they go hand-in-hand. But if the line can keep improving along with the running game, Bradford should start to look much better.

 
Yeah it's really too bad we got rid of Nick Foles, dude is setting the world on fire over in St. Louis.

Would still rather have the potential of Bradford than Foles....that said it's just about time for him to put up or shut up.
This is what I've been saying. We know what Foles is. An average quarterback. One who, if playing his best, can lead us to possibly make the playoffs. Or barely miss. Someone better than Geno Smith, but not as good as the Flaccos, Daltons, and Palmers of the league.

Bradford was a blue chipper with a gun for an arm. Then he got hurt. Twice. Chip rolled the dice that there is still untapped potential there. And he may fail in his gamble. But I don't want a coach who's satisfied with almost making the playoffs. Or getting there and go home after one game. The goal is to win a championship. And you're not doing it with a Foles vs Rodgers playoff game or Foles vs Brady Super Bowl.

 
Yeah it's really too bad we got rid of Nick Foles, dude is setting the world on fire over in St. Louis.

Would still rather have the potential of Bradford than Foles....that said it's just about time for him to put up or shut up.

Hard to tell how much of it is him and how much is the awful line play, as we all know they go hand-in-hand. But if the line can keep improving along with the running game, Bradford should start to look much better.
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-quarterback-sacked-per-game/2015/

 
We are tied with the Jags and Texans for most dropped passes by a team with 10. Link...
Yeah, it's been really bad. J.Matthews drop in the first game cost us a win. And he's had several more since. And I almost threw a bewer bottle threw the TV when Ryan Mathews dropped that sure touchdown on Sunday on the swing pass.

When you think about it, Philly has played about as bad as they can possibly play, and they're one game back of the division lead. That gives me hope.

 
First off, I want to extend an apology to Billy Bats. It's been brought to my attention that he's been a loyal Eagles fan for years and has many positive things to say about them. I read your comments about Bradford the past few days and jumped to the conclusion that you were a troll like ShaHBucks. Again, I apologize. Any genuine Eagles fan is ok in my book. :hifive:

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It's good man, I'm not trolling, too old for that nonsense. Just read your complete opposite opinion from mine and started talking about it. Bar room talk is all it is. I've traveled long and far for this team and have had my face painted in opposing stadiums :football: (few years back). Just talking football with nothing but green love.

 
This thread is disintegrating :(
Apparently no Eagles can be criticized. I apologize for talking football, the ones wearing green tinted glasses apparently can't handle a criticizing opinion. :shrug: Seeyas later. :thumbdown:
every fan in this thread has criticized the Eagles. But you two do nothing but. Its sickening. You're worse than Cowboy fans.Now go root for Maclin to have a good game so you can gloat about Kelly not signing him.
Not a Shahbucks fan, but you have kind of gone off the rails.

 

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