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*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (2 Viewers)

It's crazy that we are still one game out of first place. Brutal schedule coming up though, so doesn't even really matter. Just makes it even more painful in that if we would have even won 1 game of those 3 vs sub-500 teams, we'd be in first.
I just knew you would post this. :lmao:
post what? How crazy it is how bad our div is, but that we still have no chance?
The Eagles are not winning a Super Bowl this year. If you agree with that, why not just hope for them to lose out and get as a high a draft pick as possible? If you think that they have a chance to win it all, then definitely keep rooting for them to win. I personally just think they need an influx in talent.
 
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It's crazy that we are still one game out of first place. Brutal schedule coming up though, so doesn't even really matter. Just makes it even more painful in that if we would have even won 1 game of those 3 vs sub-500 teams, we'd be in first.
I just knew you would post this. :lmao:
post what? How crazy it is how bad our div is, but that we still have no chance?
The Eagles are not winning a Super Bowl this year. If you agree with that, why not just hope for them to lose out and get as a high a draft pick as possible? If you think that they have a chance to win it all, then definitely keep rooting for them to win. I personally just think they need an influx in talent.
I didn't remotely suggest that they have a chance to win it all. I said the opposite, I said as bad as our div is, we are awful right now and still have almost no shot at winning it. Just surprised that as awful as we are right now, we still are only 1 game out. Our div is historically bad.

 
It's crazy that we are still one game out of first place. Brutal schedule coming up though, so doesn't even really matter. Just makes it even more painful in that if we would have even won 1 game of those 3 vs sub-500 teams, we'd be in first.
I just knew you would post this. :lmao:
post what? How crazy it is how bad our div is, but that we still have no chance?
The Eagles are not winning a Super Bowl this year. If you agree with that, why not just hope for them to lose out and get as a high a draft pick as possible? If you think that they have a chance to win it all, then definitely keep rooting for them to win. I personally just think they need an influx in talent.
I didn't remotely suggest that they have a chance to win it all. I said the opposite, I said as bad as our div is, we are awful right now and still have almost no shot at winning it. Just surprised that as awful as we are right now, we still are only 1 game out. Our div is historically bad.
Ok gotcha. I don't think any team in this division has any shot at all. They are all really bad. That's good news for the Eagles looking ahead to next year.

 
It's crazy that we are still one game out of first place. Brutal schedule coming up though, so doesn't even really matter. Just makes it even more painful in that if we would have even won 1 game of those 3 vs sub-500 teams, we'd be in first.
I just knew you would post this. :lmao:
post what? How crazy it is how bad our div is, but that we still have no chance?
The Eagles are not winning a Super Bowl this year. If you agree with that, why not just hope for them to lose out and get as a high a draft pick as possible? If you think that they have a chance to win it all, then definitely keep rooting for them to win. I personally just think they need an influx in talent.
I want to see some ability of this coaching staff to be able to make adjustments. I don't think the problem is all talent. Improvement by our young guys we've drafted the past few years is very important.

 
fred_1_15301 said:
Deamon said:
fred_1_15301 said:
Deamon said:
Insein said:
Deamon said:
It's crazy that we are still one game out of first place. Brutal schedule coming up though, so doesn't even really matter. Just makes it even more painful in that if we would have even won 1 game of those 3 vs sub-500 teams, we'd be in first.
I just knew you would post this. :lmao:
post what? How crazy it is how bad our div is, but that we still have no chance?
The Eagles are not winning a Super Bowl this year. If you agree with that, why not just hope for them to lose out and get as a high a draft pick as possible? If you think that they have a chance to win it all, then definitely keep rooting for them to win. I personally just think they need an influx in talent.
I didn't remotely suggest that they have a chance to win it all. I said the opposite, I said as bad as our div is, we are awful right now and still have almost no shot at winning it. Just surprised that as awful as we are right now, we still are only 1 game out. Our div is historically bad.
Ok gotcha. I don't think any team in this division has any shot at all. They are all really bad. That's good news for the Eagles looking ahead to next year.
I just don't want to finish 3rd and have to go to London next year.

 
fred_1_15301 said:
Deamon said:
fred_1_15301 said:
Deamon said:
Insein said:
Deamon said:
It's crazy that we are still one game out of first place. Brutal schedule coming up though, so doesn't even really matter. Just makes it even more painful in that if we would have even won 1 game of those 3 vs sub-500 teams, we'd be in first.
I just knew you would post this. :lmao:
post what? How crazy it is how bad our div is, but that we still have no chance?
The Eagles are not winning a Super Bowl this year. If you agree with that, why not just hope for them to lose out and get as a high a draft pick as possible? If you think that they have a chance to win it all, then definitely keep rooting for them to win. I personally just think they need an influx in talent.
I didn't remotely suggest that they have a chance to win it all. I said the opposite, I said as bad as our div is, we are awful right now and still have almost no shot at winning it. Just surprised that as awful as we are right now, we still are only 1 game out. Our div is historically bad.
Ok gotcha. I don't think any team in this division has any shot at all. They are all really bad. That's good news for the Eagles looking ahead to next year.
I just don't want to finish 3rd and have to go to London next year.
Think of the bright side. It wouldn't be the worst vacation spot in the world. :shrug:

 
They picked a heck of a year to completely suck, the division is a joke. Giants have no run game at all. Skins schedule is cake. Even the Cowboys aren't out of it.

 
They picked a heck of a year to completely suck, the division is a joke. Giants have no run game at all. Skins schedule is cake. Even the Cowboys aren't out of it.
It's looking like the Skins are actually going to host a playoff game this year. That seems just so crazy.

 
They picked a heck of a year to completely suck, the division is a joke. Giants have no run game at all. Skins schedule is cake. Even the Cowboys aren't out of it.
It's looking like the Skins are actually going to host a playoff game this year. That seems just so crazy.
And they will be one or two and done.
Two?
haha likely one I'm assuming. But you never know, if Wash gets lucky they could pull off a shocker vs a road vikings/seahawks team.

 
They picked a heck of a year to completely suck, the division is a joke. Giants have no run game at all. Skins schedule is cake. Even the Cowboys aren't out of it.
It's looking like the Skins are actually going to host a playoff game this year. That seems just so crazy.
And they will be one or two and done.
I've seen a few examples in recent years where a garbage division winner wins because of that first homefield game. Example 1 -- Seahawks beat the superior Saints several years ago (Lynch's absolute dominating performance). Example 2 -- Broncos beat the superior Steelers several years ago (the only Tebow significant win in his NFL career). I don't think the Redskins or Giants should win against anyone in the playoffs but that homefield adrenaline helps.

 
They picked a heck of a year to completely suck, the division is a joke. Giants have no run game at all. Skins schedule is cake. Even the Cowboys aren't out of it.
It's looking like the Skins are actually going to host a playoff game this year. That seems just so crazy.
And they will be one or two and done.
I've seen a few examples in recent years where a garbage division winner wins because of that first homefield game. Example 1 -- Seahawks beat the superior Saints several years ago (Lynch's absolute dominating performance). Example 2 -- Broncos beat the superior Steelers several years ago (the only Tebow significant win in his NFL career). I don't think the Redskins or Giants should win against anyone in the playoffs but that homefield adrenaline helps.
7-8-1 Panthers beat the 11-5 Cards last year too.

 
At this point sure. Go ein the division. The alternative is we suck and get angry. We're already doing that and Chip isn't getting fired either way. So migt as well have something interesting to do.

 
babydemon90 said:
fred_1_15301 said:
Deamon said:
Insein said:
Deamon said:
It's crazy that we are still one game out of first place. Brutal schedule coming up though, so doesn't even really matter. Just makes it even more painful in that if we would have even won 1 game of those 3 vs sub-500 teams, we'd be in first.
I just knew you would post this. :lmao:
post what? How crazy it is how bad our div is, but that we still have no chance?
The Eagles are not winning a Super Bowl this year. If you agree with that, why not just hope for them to lose out and get as a high a draft pick as possible? If you think that they have a chance to win it all, then definitely keep rooting for them to win. I personally just think they need an influx in talent.
I want to see some ability of this coaching staff to be able to make adjustments. I don't think the problem is all talent. Improvement by our young guys we've drafted the past few years is very important.
:goodposting:

IF they lose out, they are ####ed. Chip has molded this team in his image (I guess). If they can't make some good things happen the rest of this year, we have bottomed out and are totally screwed. Chip (and/or Billy) needs to show that he can adjust or we need a regime change.

I was rooting hard for the Redskins today. I don't care. If we somehow could get in, it would be worth it.

(I might agree with losing out if Mariota were coming out this year.)

 
babydemon90 said:
fred_1_15301 said:
Deamon said:
Insein said:
Deamon said:
It's crazy that we are still one game out of first place. Brutal schedule coming up though, so doesn't even really matter. Just makes it even more painful in that if we would have even won 1 game of those 3 vs sub-500 teams, we'd be in first.
I just knew you would post this. :lmao:
post what? How crazy it is how bad our div is, but that we still have no chance?
The Eagles are not winning a Super Bowl this year. If you agree with that, why not just hope for them to lose out and get as a high a draft pick as possible? If you think that they have a chance to win it all, then definitely keep rooting for them to win. I personally just think they need an influx in talent.
I want to see some ability of this coaching staff to be able to make adjustments. I don't think the problem is all talent. Improvement by our young guys we've drafted the past few years is very important.
:goodposting:

IF they lose out, they are ####ed. Chip has molded this team in his image (I guess). If they can't make some good things happen the rest of this year, we have bottomed out and are totally screwed. Chip (and/or Billy) needs to show that he can adjust or we need a regime change.

I was rooting hard for the Redskins today. I don't care. If we somehow could get in, it would be worth it.

(I might agree with losing out if Mariota were coming out this year.)
Exactly. Just make some personnel/scheme adjustments and show improvement. Like to see some young guys get some PT and show what they got.

If somehow they can get in, always worth it.

Going to come down to the WAS and NYG games. If they can beat BUF and win the 2 division games, it's probable that 7-9 does it. The way they have looked, though... not holding my breath.

 
They picked a heck of a year to completely suck, the division is a joke. Giants have no run game at all. Skins schedule is cake. Even the Cowboys aren't out of it.
It's looking like the Skins are actually going to host a playoff game this year. That seems just so crazy.
No. No, it does not. Right now the Skins are like an earthworm that crawled upwards and just poked its head out of the ground. Just as likely to go back down as to crawl the whole way out. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy as hell today being a Skins fan. But if you've watched them play this year you know they can lose to anyone. Their play has been wildly erratic. I'll just enjoy this moment. The playoffs seem a million miles away yet for the Skins.

 
They picked a heck of a year to completely suck, the division is a joke. Giants have no run game at all. Skins schedule is cake. Even the Cowboys aren't out of it.
It's looking like the Skins are actually going to host a playoff game this year. That seems just so crazy.
No. No, it does not. Right now the Skins are like an earthworm that crawled upwards and just poked its head out of the ground. Just as likely to go back down as to crawl the whole way out. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy as hell today being a Skins fan. But if you've watched them play this year you know they can lose to anyone. Their play has been wildly erratic. I'll just enjoy this moment. The playoffs seem a million miles away yet for the Skins.
By reeling in the Giants you prolong our agony for a couple more weeks. When the depression wears off towards the end on the week I will come up with some "well if..." scenarios in time for Chip to punch me in the nuts again.

I like your chances especially with the 2 Dallas games looking like easy Wins less Romo where before it looked like they would be fired up.

 
Now that the undefeated season is over, not sure what to expect. Pats literally have no one on offense except Brady.

 
Now that the undefeated season is over, not sure what to expect. Pats literally have no one on offense except Brady.
Brady is good enough to beat the Eagles even without any weapons but man did the Eagles catch them at a good time. The Pats defense is still pretty good and with the loss tonight, I wonder how pissed off Brady and Bellicheat will be next week.

Any early predictions?

 
If Amendola plays there's a 50% chance he goes 12-190-3 or 50% chance he gets hurt by the 2nd series with a broken something.

 
Now that the undefeated season is over, not sure what to expect. Pats literally have no one on offense except Brady.
Brady is good enough to beat the Eagles even without any weapons but man did the Eagles catch them at a good time. The Pats defense is still pretty good and with the loss tonight, I wonder how pissed off Brady and Bellicheat will be next week.

Any early predictions?
Don't think this is a good time at all. Maybe because of their injuries, but after a loss those guys are amazing. I can't remember the stat or their record after a loss, but I remember hearing about it and it being pretty crazy. I don't care if we had 10 days off, and they don't have any starters left to play, I can't see the pats losing a game to a struggling team, at home, after a loss, at all.

27-17 Pats. I will be cheering hard to be wrong though.

 
Without Gronk and Amendola: Patriots 24-14

Without Gonk but with Amendola: Patriots 31-14

With both Gronk and Amendola: Patriots 41-14

 
Miami Dolphins fired OC Bill Lazor. He was Chip's QB coach the first year with the Eagles. Wonder if he follows Chip to next stop?

 
By reeling in the Giants you prolong our agony for a couple more weeks. When the depression wears off towards the end on the week I will come up with some "well if..." scenarios in time for Chip to punch me in the nuts again.
Not even joking, I fully expect the Birds to go into Foxborough and win this week, then follow it up with a couple massive wins against Buffalo and Arizona. Enough to get the Chip-bus in full throttle and all the talking heads discussing how Chip finally put it together. Then lay back to back eggs against Washington and in NY. Book it.

 
By reeling in the Giants you prolong our agony for a couple more weeks. When the depression wears off towards the end on the week I will come up with some "well if..." scenarios in time for Chip to punch me in the nuts again.
Not even joking, I fully expect the Birds to go into Foxborough and win this week, then follow it up with a couple massive wins against Buffalo and Arizona. Enough to get the Chip-bus in full throttle and all the talking heads discussing how Chip finally put it together. Then lay back to back eggs against Washington and in NY. Book it.
That sounds more like the agony were used to.

 
One of Chip's rumored potential landing spots filled as SouthernCal surprisingly makes Clay Helton permanent head coach.

 
Without Gronk and Amendola: Patriots 24-14

Without Gonk but with Amendola: Patriots 31-14

With both Gronk and Amendola: Patriots 41-14
Patriots are on the phone right now scheduling their Tuesday tryouts to see which street FA WR/TE get to waltz into the end zone on Sunday.

 
JaxBill said:
One of Chip's rumored potential landing spots filled as SouthernCal surprisingly makes Clay Helton permanent head coach.
Chip was the first thing I thought of when I saw that news. That would suggest to me that USC does not think that he will leave for them, which seemingly means he would not leave for anywhere.

 
After having time to digest the anger and frustration from this last month, I think we can rationally see that Chip is not getting fired and nor should he get fired.

Think about how many times we look to Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Oakland, etc and how they're a revolving door for coaches. We all declare them joke organizations doomed to stay where they are. Now if Lurie were to fire Chip after 3 seasons, 2 of them successful, the Eagles could be in danger of becoming one of them. Because once Lurie pulls the trigger on a coach early, he has the power to do it again, and again and again at the first sign of failure.

Chip has made some mistakes, pretty terrible ones but he also had some pretty good ideas and can certainly coach when called upon. Firing him after one bad year is like a bad Bond Villain killing his top scientist for failing one time. Give the guy a chance to make some corrections.

Chips going to be our coach at least through 2017. We'll see if he's as smart as he thinks he is.

 
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After having time to digest the anger and frustration from this last month, I think we can rationally see that Chip is not getting fired and nor should he get fired.

Think about how many times we look to Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Oakland, etc and how they're a revolving door for coaches. We all declare them joke organizations doomed to stay where they are. Now if Lurie were to fire Chip after 3 seasons, 2 of them successful, the Eagles could be in danger of becoming one of them. Because once Lurie pulls the trigger on a coach early, he has the power to do it again, and again and again at the first sign of failure.

Chip has made some mistakes, pretty terrible ones but he also had some pretty good ideas and can certainly coach when called upon. Firing him after one bad year is like a bad Bond Villain killing his top scientist for failing one time. Give the guy a chance to make some corrections.

Chips going to be our coach at least through 2017. We'll see if he's as smart as he thinks he is.
What about firing him as the GM? Is that even possible? Can you remove Chip as GM and still keep him as the coach?

 
After having time to digest the anger and frustration from this last month, I think we can rationally see that Chip is not getting fired and nor should he get fired.

Think about how many times we look to Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Oakland, etc and how they're a revolving door for coaches. We all declare them joke organizations doomed to stay where they are. Now if Lurie were to fire Chip after 3 seasons, 2 of them successful, the Eagles could be in danger of becoming one of them. Because once Lurie pulls the trigger on a coach early, he has the power to do it again, and again and again at the first sign of failure.

Chip has made some mistakes, pretty terrible ones but he also had some pretty good ideas and can certainly coach when called upon. Firing him after one bad year is like a bad Bond Villain killing his top scientist for failing one time. Give the guy a chance to make some corrections.

Chips going to be our coach at least through 2017. We'll see if he's as smart as he thinks he is.
What about firing him as the GM? Is that even possible? Can you remove Chip as GM and still keep him as the coach?
I don't think so. Lurie was sold on the package and will let him succeed or fail as a whole.

 
After having time to digest the anger and frustration from this last month, I think we can rationally see that Chip is not getting fired and nor should he get fired.

Think about how many times we look to Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Oakland, etc and how they're a revolving door for coaches. We all declare them joke organizations doomed to stay where they are. Now if Lurie were to fire Chip after 3 seasons, 2 of them successful, the Eagles could be in danger of becoming one of them. Because once Lurie pulls the trigger on a coach early, he has the power to do it again, and again and again at the first sign of failure.

Chip has made some mistakes, pretty terrible ones but he also had some pretty good ideas and can certainly coach when called upon. Firing him after one bad year is like a bad Bond Villain killing his top scientist for failing one time. Give the guy a chance to make some corrections.

Chips going to be our coach at least through 2017. We'll see if he's as smart as he thinks he is.
What about firing him as the GM? Is that even possible? Can you remove Chip as GM and still keep him as the coach?
I don't think so. Lurie was sold on the package and will let him succeed or fail as a whole.
Yeah I agree.

 
After having time to digest the anger and frustration from this last month, I think we can rationally see that Chip is not getting fired and nor should he get fired.

Think about how many times we look to Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Oakland, etc and how they're a revolving door for coaches. We all declare them joke organizations doomed to stay where they are. Now if Lurie were to fire Chip after 3 seasons, 2 of them successful, the Eagles could be in danger of becoming one of them. Because once Lurie pulls the trigger on a coach early, he has the power to do it again, and again and again at the first sign of failure.

Chip has made some mistakes, pretty terrible ones but he also had some pretty good ideas and can certainly coach when called upon. Firing him after one bad year is like a bad Bond Villain killing his top scientist for failing one time. Give the guy a chance to make some corrections.

Chips going to be out coach at least through 2017. We'll see if he's as smart as he thinks he is.
I was really hoping he'd realize the mistake he made in hiring Davis as DC and fire him this week. He has a way of coming across as if he thinks he's never wrong. I think that's what irritates Eagles fans. And I don't think it would be making Davis a sacrificial lamb. He doesn't deserve a job in the league as a DC. He can't make in-game adjustments. And doesn't put his players in a position to succeed.

 
After having time to digest the anger and frustration from this last month, I think we can rationally see that Chip is not getting fired and nor should he get fired.

Think about how many times we look to Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Oakland, etc and how they're a revolving door for coaches. We all declare them joke organizations doomed to stay where they are. Now if Lurie were to fire Chip after 3 seasons, 2 of them successful, the Eagles could be in danger of becoming one of them. Because once Lurie pulls the trigger on a coach early, he has the power to do it again, and again and again at the first sign of failure.

Chip has made some mistakes, pretty terrible ones but he also had some pretty good ideas and can certainly coach when called upon. Firing him after one bad year is like a bad Bond Villain killing his top scientist for failing one time. Give the guy a chance to make some corrections.

Chips going to be our coach at least through 2017. We'll see if he's as smart as he thinks he is.
I tend to agree. The reality is that we all were excited by the outside-the-box thinking that Chip brought to the game. His alternative take on a lot of the standards within the NFL were things that we/the media/etc. all got really excited about. It worked years one and two to some extent. This has been a painful year, but I think the pain is based on un-reasonable expectations which were 100% predicated on the over-hyped preseason-did anyone from within the organization ever say this was a reload and go on a SB run year? I don't recall.

My point is, if he'd done everything the same, but prefaced it with "we will need 2-3 years to rebuild this team in the image I deem necessary", I think most people would be on board and be excited. This win-now mentality is great for talk radio, but this team isn't far off from a new expansion team in terms of roster turnover. Give it some time.

 
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Okay, as horrific as it sounds, when all three are cut in the offseason, does Chip bring in RGIII, Kaepernick, and Manziel for a tryout and see which one picks up his offense the best?

And yes, I did just throw up in my mouth a little bit.

 
After having time to digest the anger and frustration from this last month, I think we can rationally see that Chip is not getting fired and nor should he get fired.

Think about how many times we look to Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Oakland, etc and how they're a revolving door for coaches. We all declare them joke organizations doomed to stay where they are. Now if Lurie were to fire Chip after 3 seasons, 2 of them successful, the Eagles could be in danger of becoming one of them. Because once Lurie pulls the trigger on a coach early, he has the power to do it again, and again and again at the first sign of failure.

Chip has made some mistakes, pretty terrible ones but he also had some pretty good ideas and can certainly coach when called upon. Firing him after one bad year is like a bad Bond Villain killing his top scientist for failing one time. Give the guy a chance to make some corrections.

Chips going to be our coach at least through 2017. We'll see if he's as smart as he thinks he is.
It all depends on how the team feels. Even through all the BS Reid teams the players loved him. If Chip loses the players he just has to go.

 
Okay, as horrific as it sounds, when all three are cut in the offseason, does Chip bring in RGIII, Kaepernick, and Manziel for a tryout and see which one picks up his offense the best?

And yes, I did just throw up in my mouth a little bit.
I say no. All three are distractions and not particularly talented. I also remember that Chip is big on the "culture" of the team. All three of them are selfish and would bring down the team's character level. I'm starting to lean towards looking for a young guy in the draft and going with Bradford or making a run at Fitzpatrick until the youngster develops.

 
Okay, as horrific as it sounds, when all three are cut in the offseason, does Chip bring in RGIII, Kaepernick, and Manziel for a tryout and see which one picks up his offense the best?

And yes, I did just throw up in my mouth a little bit.
He wont bring in any one of them.

 

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