the Sanchez games are irrelevant. Of course you taken them out. And if you also take away Miami, where Bradford only played half, the offense is top half of the league. Since the bye, Bradford is a top ten quarterback. He's playing well. Defense is our issue. Offense isn't the 2003 Rams, but they're not the problem.
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*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (3 Viewers)
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GoBirds
Footballguy
Agree on Alonso, not only the offseason recovery but the reinjury during the season probably doesn't have him close to 100%. I believe he has 1 year left on his deal so this may help us keep him at a discount and see if he can regain his form.
need2know
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Olsen is definitely better than Ertz. Cam has really taken a step forward this year as a QB, and still has all the physical tools to run and break a defense. He is playing at a very high level.
But I agree that it is surprising that overall they can be that high.
Ya and without Miami game its about 23 which is in the 8-13 range.
A lot of these games against some really good D's too. Our offense isn't the problem right now. Remember, we're realistically shooting to be a good team that can win a terrible div and maybe a playoff game. Not an elite super bowl team this year.
Insein
Footballguy
For this year that's he only goal which stinks but this off season will need some major changes. We've regressed a lot.
Offensive line is better. QB is the best QB in the league right now. TE is much better.
Another great point made above is how good the defense is. They get 3 and outs and cause the other teams defense to be gassed, and Cam just takes advantage of that. Carolina's TOP is extremely high. #2 in the NFL.
GoBirds
Footballguy
modogg
Footballguy
so, an article on philly.com is suggesting Bradford may not resign with the Eagles. Personally, i think it is a mistake on his part because i am not sure what offense is more tantalizing to pending free agents as a starting spot than Philadelphia. I am not sure how much Philly can offer him, and i just wonder what happens if he chooses to walk. Would that indicate that free agents are not necessarily looking to come to play in Philly?
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20151222_Bradford_could_decide_to_leave_Eagles_mess.html
also, i know this is pretty much b.s. because i think Bradford dodging these questions in season is simply saying "let me focus on the next game A - holes. I have 6 months or whatever to figure out this next contract". but it is interesting.
and if there is one thing that infuriates me with Chip, is how defenses constantly say they know what is coming. Peterson hints to it in that article, and i can't tell if he is saying it to dump on Chip and fluff up his coach, or if that is really what happens seemingly a lot.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20151222_Bradford_could_decide_to_leave_Eagles_mess.html
also, i know this is pretty much b.s. because i think Bradford dodging these questions in season is simply saying "let me focus on the next game A - holes. I have 6 months or whatever to figure out this next contract". but it is interesting.
and if there is one thing that infuriates me with Chip, is how defenses constantly say they know what is coming. Peterson hints to it in that article, and i can't tell if he is saying it to dump on Chip and fluff up his coach, or if that is really what happens seemingly a lot.
Insein
Footballguy
It was suggested today that Denver might be in the market. I'd imagine he may sign below market value there with all the weapons they have and a top 5 defense. It wouldn't all be on him.
The Eagles offense is a mess. He's supposedly playing so good and yet scoring has gone down from the 25 offensive ppg last year. So if it's not him and he's not making it any better than it is with these players, what's going to change for the better next year? If I was Sam I'd totally test the market provided I make it through these next 2 games healthy.
The Eagles offense is a mess. He's supposedly playing so good and yet scoring has gone down from the 25 offensive ppg last year. So if it's not him and he's not making it any better than it is with these players, what's going to change for the better next year? If I was Sam I'd totally test the market provided I make it through these next 2 games healthy.
Too much in here about how the Cardinals dropped a couple of balls or it would have been worse. The Cardinals did drop a couple, but they also played VERY well. Their D-line was in Sam's face all night, Palmer stood tough in the face of a decent pass rush, took a few hard hits and continued to deliver an accurate ball, they made very few penalties and had no turnovers....IE: A couple of drops aside, they played as well as anyone could play.
I thought the Eagles were right in it at halftime...the Cardinals had played terrific, but terrific play from the Eagles kept it close. The turnovers changed everything, but the game was closer than the score, at least through the first 2 1/2 quarters.
I'd prefer a playoff game, but won't be too upset if we don't get one. Bradford has proven himself IMO, and I think we'll be OK going forward with him. We need some secondary improvement and some O-lineman in the off-season and with any progression from the young WRs this team will be right in it. Chip deserves some credit for getting the QB part right...and a lot of blame for getting the RB part so wrong.
I thought the Eagles were right in it at halftime...the Cardinals had played terrific, but terrific play from the Eagles kept it close. The turnovers changed everything, but the game was closer than the score, at least through the first 2 1/2 quarters.
I'd prefer a playoff game, but won't be too upset if we don't get one. Bradford has proven himself IMO, and I think we'll be OK going forward with him. We need some secondary improvement and some O-lineman in the off-season and with any progression from the young WRs this team will be right in it. Chip deserves some credit for getting the QB part right...and a lot of blame for getting the RB part so wrong.
babydemon90
Footballguy
It's not 'hate' for Alonso - it's that he's ineffective. We don't have any other healthy options, so be it. It very well may be injury - I don't think we should cut him, but next season, he's clearly taking a back seat to Hicks, and we'll see if he turns it around. I hope so.
modogg
Footballguy
i'm not sure i get the heat Chip takes for the RB position either. If we ended up with his Plan A, and got Gore i think we would have been in a real mess. it seemed his Plan B was Mathews was who he got. Murray never came into the conversation until bradford was brought on, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a combo of bradford wanting to play with Murray and Chip saying " why the hell not?" i think he can learn as a GM from some things, but it wasn't like Chip went in gung-ho after Murray. he seemed like a big afterthought
Ash
Footballguy
Does Chip need an Offensive Coordinator? 
No, not Pat Shurmur, a real one.
Was debating this with my brother during the week, he's still all in on Kelly and I'm not so much. The way this team is built, it's going to live and die based on how the offense performs. Obviously the other 2 phases are important, but given how the player $$ is spent and the style they play, they aren't going to win a lot of games 13-9. If the offense can't consistently put up 25+ ppg then we're going to have limited success.
In looking at per drive and per play metrics over the last 3 years, the performance of that unit, Kelly's specialty, has been steadily declining, rather than improving or even maintaining at a consistent level. Right now they're among the worst units (bottom 10) in the league in terms of drops, giveaways, yards per play, yards per pass attempt. They're no more than middling in a bunch of other areas like points/game, TDs/game, points/drive etc.
The offense sucks and it's been trending in the wrong direction for two years.
There are positives, Ryan Mathews has been a nice surprise, Bradford seems to be slowly settling in, my biggest reservation with him is that even when he plays well, there is always a "but". Like, he really hung tough in the pocket yesterday, took some shots and made some great throws (back shoulder to Celek was about as perfect a throw as you'll see) but, his 2 turnovers in 3 drives (along with Mathews fumble) are what took the team out of contention.
I think it's time for the offensive philosophy to take the next step though. I think the "All Kelly" version has run it's course, and the playbook needs some input from somebody who can diversify and extend it. It's not new anymore and while the tempo and core run plays still work at times, defenses mostly seem to have adjusted.
There's still a lot of personnel stuff to address (say it with me: Offensive Line) and I think some of Kelly's moves there have been outright mistakes (Hey DeMarco) but I still believe in his overall approach to constructing and managing the team. I just don't think he can do that and take the offense where it needs to go all at once.
No, not Pat Shurmur, a real one. Was debating this with my brother during the week, he's still all in on Kelly and I'm not so much. The way this team is built, it's going to live and die based on how the offense performs. Obviously the other 2 phases are important, but given how the player $$ is spent and the style they play, they aren't going to win a lot of games 13-9. If the offense can't consistently put up 25+ ppg then we're going to have limited success.
In looking at per drive and per play metrics over the last 3 years, the performance of that unit, Kelly's specialty, has been steadily declining, rather than improving or even maintaining at a consistent level. Right now they're among the worst units (bottom 10) in the league in terms of drops, giveaways, yards per play, yards per pass attempt. They're no more than middling in a bunch of other areas like points/game, TDs/game, points/drive etc.
The offense sucks and it's been trending in the wrong direction for two years.
There are positives, Ryan Mathews has been a nice surprise, Bradford seems to be slowly settling in, my biggest reservation with him is that even when he plays well, there is always a "but". Like, he really hung tough in the pocket yesterday, took some shots and made some great throws (back shoulder to Celek was about as perfect a throw as you'll see) but, his 2 turnovers in 3 drives (along with Mathews fumble) are what took the team out of contention.
I think it's time for the offensive philosophy to take the next step though. I think the "All Kelly" version has run it's course, and the playbook needs some input from somebody who can diversify and extend it. It's not new anymore and while the tempo and core run plays still work at times, defenses mostly seem to have adjusted.
There's still a lot of personnel stuff to address (say it with me: Offensive Line) and I think some of Kelly's moves there have been outright mistakes (Hey DeMarco) but I still believe in his overall approach to constructing and managing the team. I just don't think he can do that and take the offense where it needs to go all at once.
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Ash
Footballguy
Alonso has been ineffective, but having missed last year and a big chunk of this year I don't think we can judge him too harshly. Here and there you still see the things he has been good at, like holding ground against interior OL, he's got quick, heavy hands and keeps guys from locking out on him, but he's not shedding all that well and I don't think his movement is 100% either.
If he's ineffective next year, then I'll sit him beside DeMarco in the "mistake" box, since it cost the team what would still have been their best RB this year. Shady and Mathews would have been much more effective combination (contrasting styles etc) than Murray/Mathews.
And no Chip, no one buys we had to trade Shady to get Bradford. You gave Shady's money and more to Murray.
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Rimez
Footballguy
eagles had the ball for what seemed like 7 total minutes (with 3 straight turnovers at one point) yet some of you think the offense is clicking? your defense wasnt even taking their helmets off.
we cant win on the road and you cant win at home, the NFCE title game will be two hobos yelling insults at each other while they dry hump opposite ends of a burned out couch. whichever hunyuck manages to not piss down his own leg on national televison wins the prize of being bent over a barrel by seattle in the first round.
we cant win on the road and you cant win at home, the NFCE title game will be two hobos yelling insults at each other while they dry hump opposite ends of a burned out couch. whichever hunyuck manages to not piss down his own leg on national televison wins the prize of being bent over a barrel by seattle in the first round.
I'm pretty sure no one said the turnovers were a good thing. And yes, whoever wins this division will end up getting destroyed by Seattle in the wild card round. At least both fan bases understand that.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Yeah I imagine if Denver is interested in Sam, he's as good as gone. That situation has to be more appealing than Philly right now.
fatness
Footballguy
Well that was brutal. True, but brutal.
Look at the bright side. It's an attractive couch.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Looks like Maxwell out and possibly Rowe, so we will be starting our #4 and #5 CB. We are screwed.
Great quote here from Chip:
On Monday afternoon, Kelly made it clear the Eagles aren't going to just give Murray carries in order to appease him. "You're just not going to run it for the sake of running it and average two yards a carry and say, ‘Well, at least we ran it enough and everyone got touches,’" Kelly said. "It's not about getting touches; it's about winning and productivity."
Great quote here from Chip:
On Monday afternoon, Kelly made it clear the Eagles aren't going to just give Murray carries in order to appease him. "You're just not going to run it for the sake of running it and average two yards a carry and say, ‘Well, at least we ran it enough and everyone got touches,’" Kelly said. "It's not about getting touches; it's about winning and productivity."
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Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Well, this is gonna feel a little dirty writing this but I've made the bowl in my two most important leagues. And...I'm considering staring Cousins...in both...
GoBirds
Footballguy
I think you have to....our normal CB are bad and now we might have our 1st 3 out?
I'm also starting to believe we could use the higher draft pick of losing the next 2 vs getting waxed in 1st round of playoffs.
Insein
Footballguy
Bear in mind it's a Prime Time game, so the Washington Hobo will be psychotic and mumbling to himself...Well that was brutal. True, but brutal.
Look at the bright side. It's an attractive couch.
Honestly, my main emotion here is to feel sorry for the couch...
Serious question, would the Eagles entertain signing RGIII. If he had a chance to start there, I could see him doing it vs. going somewhere else as a backup...
I doubt it. All he offers is running ability and he's shown to be very delicate. Plus he's a bit of a distraction. People have asked about Kaepernick too. I hate the idea, but at least he'll make it out of the first game uninjured.
Definitely agree. Personally, I think you all should break out the $$ to sign Bradford. Wash going through the same thing with Cousins. Sometimes, the guy you have doesn't look "great" but is actually pretty great if you weigh it against your practical alternatives...
Bradford and Fitzpatrick are the only two decent QBs available this offseason. I'm pretty confident that Philly will resign him.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
unless they signed Fitzpatrick, I would think so.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Ok. I think it would be dumb to go after Fitzpatrick over Bradford. Bradford has a higher upside (IMO), has shown a lot of potential of late and has one year more of familiarity with the system than Fitz would have. IMO the smart move is try to keep Bradford but have a plan for the future and look for a young QB in this year's draft (or maybe next year's).
depends. Fitz is only making 4 million this year. And has had a very good season. If Bradford demands 18 million and Fitz could be had for 10 mill, I'd take Fitz. If the salaries end up being close, I'd prefer Bradford.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Fair enough point. But Fitz has a much better supporting cast (much better receivers, better running backs and better defense) than Bradford. How would Fitz perform with the Eagles supporting cast? Much like his time in St. Louis, Bradford hasn't been given a lot of help. Despite the season that Fitz is having, I think Bradford is the better QB (all other things equal).
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GoBirds
Footballguy
Bring back Bradford, Id RG3/Kaep are OK being a back up bring one in for when Bradford is hurt, keep drafting mid round QB's each year to see if one can develop.
Insein
Footballguy
Pretty much that minus the RG3/Kaep backup. Way to distracting and people would be calling for them every time Bradford threw a high pass. Draft a QB and try to develop him. That's what Andy did. Barkley was a failure but you should have got another one this year if you knew you were cutting him.
Backups are backups. Sanchez is overpriced. Go sign anyone else because it really doesn't matter.
Backups are backups. Sanchez is overpriced. Go sign anyone else because it really doesn't matter.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Good point, some idiot would start crying after the 1st 3 and out. Just dump Sanchez please!
need2know
Footballguy
Ya I don't get the FItz love at ALL. I mean he's not a bad qb, but his WR's are awesome. Marshall and Decker and Ivory destroy our WR's and RB's. And the defense keeps opponents' defenses tired. This city and fan base would eat Fitzpatrick alive and we'd be back to what we had earlier in the season here.fred_1_15301 said:
I would hate to have to pay Bradford the franchise tag amount, so hopefully we can get him to sign. Hopefully those cheers when he came back in the game on Sunday warmed him up to our fanbase and makes him feel wanted.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Nothing at all wrong with that. Been streaming QBs for the second half of the season and I picked up Cousins two weeks ago with this coming week in mind to start him in the fantasy bowl. (If I had made itKwai Chang Caine said:
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babydemon90
Footballguy
Whats the cap hit if Murray is cut as a post-June 1st cut this offseason? That designator might split out the cap hit...
Insein
Footballguy
I don't know if it's accurate, but over the cap says we could break even and only take the $8mil cap hit if we designated him a June 1st cut.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
45-42 Birds?need2know said:
need2know
Footballguy
babydemon90
Footballguy
Hmm. A long way off, but that wouldn't surprise me - if this guy is healthy and getting 2 carries in a game - he's done. I'm perfectly fine with admitting the mistake and moving on, if the cap hit doesn't cripple us.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Good luck this week guys, gonna be a fun one. Meaningful division games this late in December are awesome, I hope next year we're all experiencing the same thing but with less pathetic records across the division...either way, may the best team win.
Insein
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Offensive line are grandfathered in once they're good. So many guys made multiple pro bowls past their prime just because no one actually wants to spend time watching film on the best oline men.
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