*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (3 Viewers)

[fbelange]

Another 3-4 years of the Eagles being, well, the Eagles.

I love it, no wonder this organization has no rings.

phew! Thanks for finally figuring out the problem. You are an NFL genius. Now tell us all why these teams have no ringsetroit Lions

Cleveland Browns

Jacksonville Jaguars

Arizona Cardinals

Tennessee Titans

San Diego Chargers

Buffalo Bills

Minnesota Vikings

Atlanta Falcons

Cincinnati Bengals

Carolina Panthers

Bad management! Teams and fans so greedy they turnover coaching staff like a one night stand.

Bills - 4 SB's no rings. That's the only anomaly on your list.

thanks. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to? Always looking to expand my knowledge.

I'm too lazy at the moment to go over all the personnel decisions, X's and O's, and mismanagement of both the Eagles and the entire NFC East for the past 3-4 years.

We can certainly get into depth, but what is the point? The Eagles are bad, historically worse than the rest of the division. The whole division is bad this year.

I just dont see how firing Chip Kelly was a good move for the Eagles at this point in time. The guy really only had 1 year of his program going. I would have given him another 2-3 years with Bradford and Co. to see how things worked out. Then again, maybe I can draft DeMarco Murray with confidence next year in hopes the Eagles utilize him to his strengths. His stock most certainly will be down next year based on this years numbers.

 

[B-Deep]

Another 3-4 years of the Eagles being, well, the Eagles.

I love it, no wonder this organization has no rings.

I will be surprised if we are the only NFC East team looking for a new head coach. I don't really see Coughlin making it another year.

I'm a Giants fan and although I love Coughlin, it's his time to go as well.

See, the difference between the Eagles and the Giants is that the Mara's will not fire a coach during the season. They do not make rash decisions and they don't go for all the cool new toys.

i know trolling eagles fans is fun

but they fired him one game early....

 

[B-Deep]

Another 3-4 years of the Eagles being, well, the Eagles.

I love it, no wonder this organization has no rings.

I will be surprised if we are the only NFC East team looking for a new head coach. I don't really see Coughlin making it another year.

Garrett had one of the worst coaching years in NFL history. Worst record for a,team with that much talent that I can remember. Lost his QB (as many teams do) and couldn't figure out how to win a game. The Steelers, Colts, Bengals, Texans, Broncos...all lost their quarterbacks at some point and found a way to win with the backup. Hell, the Texans won last week with the very QB that Garrett couldn't.

I think Garrett gets one more year unless Payton is available and will coach the Cowboys. With Romo at this stage of his career, I don't think it makes sense to change a whole lot. The Cowboys eggs are all in Romo's basket. They probably have to stick with Garrett. until Romo is done.

I agree, he stays unless Payton is out there

 

[dhockster]

Another 3-4 years of the Eagles being, well, the Eagles.

I love it, no wonder this organization has no rings.

I will be surprised if we are the only NFC East team looking for a new head coach. I don't really see Coughlin making it another year.

I'm a Giants fan and although I love Coughlin, it's his time to go as well.

See, the difference between the Eagles and the Giants is that the Mara's will not fire a coach during the season. They do not make rash decisions and they don't go for all the cool new toys.

Lurie is not a rash owner. He took a chance on Kelly and it did not work. He fired him when things got untenable. In hindsight the Eagles could have gotten Bruce Arians instead of Chip when they hired Chip. Oh well, move on and try again. The Giants also risk being an also-ran if they do not hire the right coach and GM. Let's see how they do this time around.

 

[GoBirds]

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/fletcher-cox-bill-davis-future-defensive-coordinator-im-employee-91-next-question

Keep Fletch happy and get rid of this bum!

 

[dirtyjay]

Another 3-4 years of the Eagles being, well, the Eagles.

I love it, no wonder this organization has no rings.

I will be surprised if we are the only NFC East team looking for a new head coach. I don't really see Coughlin making it another year.

I'm a Giants fan and although I love Coughlin, it's his time to go as well.

See, the difference between the Eagles and the Giants is that the Mara's will not fire a coach during the season. They do not make rash decisions and they don't go for all the cool new toys.

i know trolling eagles fans is fun

but they fired him one game early....

and it was not a rash decision, it was the right decision based of the facts that he can not run a team, he can coach one with good players in his system but his ego is too big to let someone who understands talent to find those players.

 

[fatness]

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/fletcher-cox-bill-davis-future-defensive-coordinator-im-employee-91-next-question

Keep Fletch happy and get rid of this bum!

Interesting stuff there about how much the defense had to be on the field under Kelly. When the offense was scoring a lot that was OK, but with this year's offense running quickly and not scoring so much it became a recipe for losing more than they had to if they played ball control offense.

 

[B-Deep]

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/fletcher-cox-bill-davis-future-defensive-coordinator-im-employee-91-next-question

Keep Fletch happy and get rid of this bum!

Interesting stuff there about how much the defense had to be on the field under Kelly. When the offense was scoring a lot that was OK, but with this year's offense running quickly and not scoring so much it became a recipe for losing more than they had to if they played ball control offense.

I think that the way his style impacts the Defense is huge. It is a bigger deal in the NFL. I am not saying it cannot work, but it really leaves your defense out on an island.

 

[JuniorNB]

Another 3-4 years of the Eagles being, well, the Eagles.

I love it, no wonder this organization has no rings.

phew! Thanks for finally figuring out the problem. You are an NFL genius. Now tell us all why these teams have no ringsetroit Lions

Cleveland Browns

Jacksonville Jaguars

Arizona Cardinals

Tennessee Titans

San Diego Chargers

Buffalo Bills

Minnesota Vikings

Atlanta Falcons

Cincinnati Bengals

Carolina Panthers

Bad management! Teams and fans so greedy they turnover coaching staff like a one night stand.

Bills - 4 SB's no rings. That's the only anomaly on your list.

thanks. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to? Always looking to expand my knowledge.

I'm too lazy at the moment to go over all the personnel decisions, X's and O's, and mismanagement of both the Eagles and the entire NFC East for the past 3-4 years.

We can certainly get into depth, but what is the point? The Eagles are bad, historically worse than the rest of the division. The whole division is bad this year.

I just dont see how firing Chip Kelly was a good move for the Eagles at this point in time. The guy really only had 1 year of his program going. I would have given him another 2-3 years with Bradford and Co. to see how things worked out. Then again, maybe I can draft DeMarco Murray with confidence next year in hopes the Eagles utilize him to his strengths. His stock most certainly will be down next year based on this years numbers.

I'd have given him one more year as a coach, too. But not as a GM. He showed very clearly that he's not a good evaluator of talent. And his misjudgments have Philly in a hole, financially, that ties their hands severely on future roster moves. We definitely couldn't afford another year of that. Laury waited one year too long to fire Reid. He was afraid of doing that again with Chip. With the right quarterback (Mariota?), Kelly can be a good coach in this league. He has a great offensive mind. Just keep him far away from personnel decisions.

 

[Insein]

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/marcus-smith-doesnt-see-gap-between-him-connor-barwin-brandon-graham

Finally, Chip is out of the way so Howie can unleash release Marcus Smith!

Fixed

 

[dhockster]

Another 3-4 years of the Eagles being, well, the Eagles.

I love it, no wonder this organization has no rings.

One last thing and I will stop feeding the troll.

If you need to come in here and prop yourself up because you root for a team that has accomplished more than the Philadelphia Eagles, you go right ahead. We live to make guys like you feel better about themselves. Oh, and by the way, if you feel like you want to add any substantive comments in here, we welcome them. I have found that some of the best analysis on the NFC East has come form Bankerguy (Cowboy fan) and Fatness (Redskin fan). Could you be that guy to represent Giant fans? Doubtful, but I have been proven wrong before.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

The reports I saw yesterday said the Eagles are looking to being in Tom Donahoe to run the personnel. That's terrible for Eagles fans if so. He was horrendous at evaluation with the Bills.

Bilichick was horrendous for the Browns, can't believe anyone would give him a job.

Oh you're right. Have fun with the Donahoe drafts. I'm sure the Eagles will be in the Superbowl no time soon.

Supposedly Howie Rosemen is back in charge.

Yeah, my perception is that Donahoe is just there to fill in temporarily. Though, I'm not totally sure why, unless they want to keep the focus off of Howie for a bit.

His situation is a little weird. Lurie was in love with him, then agreed to shove him aside. Then Howie doesn't man up and go somewhere else, but sits and bides his time. And now he is suddenly back in charge. I wonder how much of a role he had in possibly fomenting Chip's demise.

 

[GoBirds]

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/fletcher-cox-bill-davis-future-defensive-coordinator-im-employee-91-next-question

Keep Fletch happy and get rid of this bum!

Interesting stuff there about how much the defense had to be on the field under Kelly. When the offense was scoring a lot that was OK, but with this year's offense running quickly and not scoring so much it became a recipe for losing more than they had to if they played ball control offense.

I think that the way his style impacts the Defense is huge. It is a bigger deal in the NFL. I am not saying it cannot work, but it really leaves your defense out on an island.

I think that is very valid, at the same time I really hope that excuse doesn't save Davis' job.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Lurie gave full control to a coach who had no previous experience in any capacity in the NFL. He is like the bank during the housing crisis that gave a mortgage to someone whose financials didn't suggest they could afford the payments. On that basis, I could see where Kelly deserved another year...as coach only. If the reports are true that he was given that option and rejected it, well the the firing seems like the only option. Either way, I am happy they are moving on.

 

[TheMagus]

Yeah, my perception is that Donahoe is just there to fill in temporarily. Though, I'm not totally sure why, unless they want to keep the focus off of Howie for a bit.

His situation is a little weird. Lurie was in love with him, then agreed to shove him aside. Then Howie doesn't man up and go somewhere else, but sits and bides his time. And now he is suddenly back in charge. I wonder how much of a role he had in possibly fomenting Chip's demise.

I suspect Howie's role in this was HUGE. I picture him sitting there, laying in wait for Chip to fumble, and then pouncing. Can you really imagine Lurie pulling the trigger this soon of his own accord if he didn't have someone he trusted in his ear telling him they would fix it all?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Lurie gave full control to a coach who had no previous experience in any capacity in the NFL. He is like the bank during the housing crisis that gave a mortgage to someone whose financials didn't suggest they could afford the payments. On that basis, I could see where Kelly deserved another year...as coach only. If the reports are true that he was given that option and rejected it, well the the firing seems like the only option. Either way, I am happy they are moving on.

FYI...This isn't the first time Lurie has done this. EVERY HC he has hired was a first timer and all ended up with full-control. This isn't new.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/fletcher-cox-bill-davis-future-defensive-coordinator-im-employee-91-next-question

Keep Fletch happy and get rid of this bum!

Interesting stuff there about how much the defense had to be on the field under Kelly. When the offense was scoring a lot that was OK, but with this year's offense running quickly and not scoring so much it became a recipe for losing more than they had to if they played ball control offense.

Yep and the D, from many accounts, seems to have the talent. It will also be interesting to see if they go back to the 4-3

 

[B-Deep]

Probably a topic for its own thread, but I wonder how wise it is to give a coach full control. almost any coach (yes i know there have been some great ones who did it)

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Please stop!! Do not give the trolls the attention they are seeking. It just trashes the thread and makes it unreadable.

I honestly don't think Junior can help himself.

I have an itchy trigger finger. If I see a guys with posts in the hundreds and he comes in with a trollish comment I just block him. Aint nobody got time 4 dat

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Lurie gave full control to a coach who had no previous experience in any capacity in the NFL. He is like the bank during the housing crisis that gave a mortgage to someone whose financials didn't suggest they could afford the payments. On that basis, I could see where Kelly deserved another year...as coach only. If the reports are true that he was given that option and rejected it, well the the firing seems like the only option. Either way, I am happy they are moving on.

FYI...This isn't the first time Lurie has done this. EVERY HC he has hired was a first timer and all ended up with full-control. This isn't new.

Andy Reid was at least in the NFL before the Eagles.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Probably a topic for its own thread, but I wonder how wise it is to give a coach full control. almost any coach (yes i know there have been some great ones who did it)

I asked this in a thread but I cant remember where lol.

I just don't see the upside. Maybe its hard to find a GM and HC who agree? I don't know but there seems to be way more messes with this than anything else IMO

 

[JuniorNB]

Please stop!! Do not give the trolls the attention they are seeking. It just trashes the thread and makes it unreadable.

I honestly don't think Junior can help himself.

I have an itchy trigger finger. If I see a guys with posts in the hundreds and he comes in with a trollish comment I just block him. Aint nobody got time 4 dat

Unfortunately, you're correct. I can't stand ***holes and have a hard time not letting them know about it. In real life or on message boards. It's going to be my resolution in 2016. Lol

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Lurie gave full control to a coach who had no previous experience in any capacity in the NFL. He is like the bank during the housing crisis that gave a mortgage to someone whose financials didn't suggest they could afford the payments. On that basis, I could see where Kelly deserved another year...as coach only. If the reports are true that he was given that option and rejected it, well the the firing seems like the only option. Either way, I am happy they are moving on.

FYI...This isn't the first time Lurie has done this. EVERY HC he has hired was a first timer and all ended up with full-control. This isn't new.

Andy Reid was in the NFL before the Eagles.

I took that as HC experience--Andy was just a QB coach

 

[ShaHBucks]

 

[JuniorNB]

It's almost as if certain people can sense they're being mentioned.

 

[B-Deep]

not sure if anyone posted this. Wild speculation at this point of course.

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/12/30/10688048/philadelphia-eagles-coaching-search-chip-kelly-head-hue-jackson-adam-gase-sean-mcdermott

what names are eagles fans excited about? who would you hate?

 

[Thunderlips]

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/fletcher-cox-bill-davis-future-defensive-coordinator-im-employee-91-next-question

Keep Fletch happy and get rid of this bum!

With a new HC, no reason Davis will/should be here.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

I took that as HC experience--Andy was just a QB coach

Sorry, I meant any exposure at all. I am not saying it is a great idea either way, but at least Reid was around the game and the drafts for awhile. I don't remember when he got the GM role. Was it that soon?

 

[JuniorNB]

I heard the name Doug Marrone brought up this morning on NFL Network. I cringed.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

I heard the name Doug Marrone brought up this morning on NFL Network. I cringed.

My reaction,too, reading the article B-Deep posted above

 

[ShaHBucks]

A year ago Chip is considered a genius and was go in the keys to the kingdom. A year later he's fired before the season ends. Two 10-win season and a division title isn't worth finishing out the season?

Gus Bradley is so bad that he gets to keep his job for the direction his team is going in. He's had 3 double digit loss season.

Jeff Fisher is coach of he year now. He's has more job security than any coach in the league.

Bruce Arians took 30+ years to get a HC job

I'm not saying he should have been let go, especially forecasting 2016+. I'm just looking at how bad owners and GM's are at their job. They'll be the ones picking the next coach.

How does Rex Ryan keep his job and not Chip Kelly? We're not worse off than buffalo for sure

 

[GoBirds]

Stephen A beating the race card to Death again on the radio. What a moron.

Once a couple guys went after the race card I guess it was probably a matter of time.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I took that as HC experience--Andy was just a QB coach

Sorry, I meant any exposure at all. I am not saying it is a great idea either way, but at least Reid was around the game and the drafts for awhile. I don't remember when he got the GM role. Was it that soon?

From what I remember it was a few years (5 or more maybe) before he got total control. I think Ray Rhodes had it for one year and that was his last season, but I'm not 100% sure

 

[Insein]

For better or worse, Lurie hasn't hired retreads. He likes to get the diamond in the rough. Rhodes, Reid and Kelly.

 

[Old Smiley]

Curious if Shurmur will slow things down this week. Can that small playbook work slow? Anyway, try to keep the defense off the field a bit. Not much you can do.

I looked up Shurmur last night. Guy's done some good stuff, some of it for you guys. I say he should at least get an interview.

side note: Kind of interesting there could be two places where the GM goes and the coach stays. Talk that might happen in CLE, and possible in IND, too.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

not sure if anyone posted this. Wild speculation at this point of course.

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/12/30/10688048/philadelphia-eagles-coaching-search-chip-kelly-head-hue-jackson-adam-gase-sean-mcdermott

what names are eagles fans excited about? who would you hate?

I'd be excited about McDaniels, McDermott or even Jim Harbaugh if he were interested in leaving.

I usually want an offensive HC though....If we have a defensive guy and our offense does well theyre surely gone for a HC job...seems like it could be an endless cycle.

Whoever the HC is he HAS to go get experienced assistants and not a ton of first or second year guys. See Arians in Arizona as an example.

 

[Old Smiley]

A year ago Chip is considered a genius and was go in the keys to the kingdom. A year later he's fired before the season ends. Two 10-win season and a division title isn't worth finishing out the season?

Sometimes those meetings just turn really sour. I think that's what happened with Fox in DEN.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I work with a guy who used to be a sportswriter and still does some Eagles-related freelancing and podcasting. He said:

NOBODY liked Chip. Not the players, not the others in the front office, not the staff. He was arrogant and antisocial and alienated himself from everybody. An organization can handle that when winning, but not when losing. It wasn't just that he couldn't relate to the players as men, he couldn't relate to ANYBODY as men (or women).

Therefore, when things went to hell this year and the players completely tuned out, Lurie felt he had to act, because they weren't ever going to tune back in.

 

[Skoo]

Lurie presser is about to start on WIP

 

[JuniorNB]

Lurie presser is about to start on WIP

live on NFL Network as well

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Lurie just said he did not offer the option of coach only.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Lurie claims he did not offer the coach-only role.

 

[GoBirds]

Lurie is a 1st class guy. Said all the right things thanking Chip.

Trajectory is the key word that keeps coming up.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Lurie gave full control to a coach who had no previous experience in any capacity in the NFL. He is like the bank during the housing crisis that gave a mortgage to someone whose financials didn't suggest they could afford the payments. On that basis, I could see where Kelly deserved another year...as coach only. If the reports are true that he was given that option and rejected it, well the the firing seems like the only option. Either way, I am happy they are moving on.

FYI...This isn't the first time Lurie has done this. EVERY HC he has hired was a first timer and all ended up with full-control. This isn't new.

And it needs to stop. It's Lurie's biggest weakness. Coaches lose effectiveness when they run everything because they spread themselves too thin.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Lurie is a 1st class guy. Said all the right things thanking Chip.

Trajectory is the key word that keeps coming up.

Progress

Trajectory

Plethora of Variables

Repeat.

 

[GoBirds]

Lurie is a 1st class guy. Said all the right things thanking Chip.

Trajectory is the key word that keeps coming up.

Progress

Trajectory

Plethora of Variables

Repeat.

...collaborative

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Hmm, says Donohoe was a crucial hire, which makes it sound like he is permanent.

Collaborator

 

[Old Smiley]

Lurie gave full control to a coach who had no previous experience in any capacity in the NFL. He is like the bank during the housing crisis that gave a mortgage to someone whose financials didn't suggest they could afford the payments. On that basis, I could see where Kelly deserved another year...as coach only. If the reports are true that he was given that option and rejected it, well the the firing seems like the only option. Either way, I am happy they are moving on.

FYI...This isn't the first time Lurie has done this. EVERY HC he has hired was a first timer and all ended up with full-control. This isn't new.

And it needs to stop. It's Lurie's biggest weakness. Coaches lose effectiveness when they run everything because they spread themselves too thin.

Funny the difference in perception inside vs outside Philly. Andy was a really successful coach who took a big swing and a miss with Vick.

Just me, I view PHI as a solid franchise.

 

[GoBirds]

Lurie is a good dude....would love to see him win one.

 

[Power Monster]