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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (3 Viewers)
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squistion
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Stay classy Ted:
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/06/03/3665980/ted-cruz-mocks-joe-biden-day-hes-burying-son/
Ted Cruz Mocks Joe Biden The Day Before Hes Burying His Son
Thursday, Vice President Joe Biden will bury his son, Beau, who died after a battle with brain cancer. That didnt stop Senator Ted Cruz, who is running for president, from using Biden as a punch line for a bad joke on Wednesday night. Cruz was speaking to a group of Republicans in Michigan:
Chad Livengood @ChadLivengood
"Vice President Joe Biden," @TedCruz says to faint laughter. "You know the nice thing? You don't need a punch line." #JoeBiden
Chad Livengood @ChadLivengood
@sqwerin It sounded rehearsed. There was another part where he said if you walk up to someone and say "Joe Biden" they start laughing.
Cruz has told this joke before, on multiple occasions. (Business Insider described it as nasty in March.) Cruz apparently did not feel the need to alter his routine in light of the tragic death of Bidens 46-year-old son.
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/06/03/3665980/ted-cruz-mocks-joe-biden-day-hes-burying-son/
Ted Cruz Mocks Joe Biden The Day Before Hes Burying His Son
Thursday, Vice President Joe Biden will bury his son, Beau, who died after a battle with brain cancer. That didnt stop Senator Ted Cruz, who is running for president, from using Biden as a punch line for a bad joke on Wednesday night. Cruz was speaking to a group of Republicans in Michigan:
Chad Livengood @ChadLivengood
"Vice President Joe Biden," @TedCruz says to faint laughter. "You know the nice thing? You don't need a punch line." #JoeBiden
Chad Livengood @ChadLivengood
@sqwerin It sounded rehearsed. There was another part where he said if you walk up to someone and say "Joe Biden" they start laughing.
Cruz has told this joke before, on multiple occasions. (Business Insider described it as nasty in March.) Cruz apparently did not feel the need to alter his routine in light of the tragic death of Bidens 46-year-old son.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Aside from the fact that you link a Thinkprogress article - these guys are almost as far left as you can get - it was still tasteless and not cool.
However, I find it convenient that you left out the part that Cruz, in fact, apologized.
squistion
Footballguy
Yes, and I also left out this, which shows his insensitivity when confronted by a reporter:
After the event, a reporter asked Cruz why he told a joke about Biden in light of the circumstances. Cruz "turned and walked away."
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
It's really happening.
Gentlemen (and ladies..), I present to you .... [drumroll] Louisiana's gift to America....
Piyush Bobby Jindal!
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/03/politics/bobby-jindal-election-2016-announcement/index.html
{sigh, we apologize actually, we really like to try to keep our issues to ourselves}
I think this is the first presidential candidate from Louisiana or to have made his home here since Zachary Taylor. Who died on a cherry pit.
Gentlemen (and ladies..), I present to you .... [drumroll] Louisiana's gift to America....
Piyush Bobby Jindal!
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/03/politics/bobby-jindal-election-2016-announcement/index.html
{sigh, we apologize actually, we really like to try to keep our issues to ourselves}
I think this is the first presidential candidate from Louisiana or to have made his home here since Zachary Taylor. Who died on a cherry pit.
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Fennis
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timschochet
Footballguy
Huey Long was planning on running but...it didn't work out.
timschochet
Footballguy
How many Presidential candidates have performed an exorcism? That's gotta be a first.
squistion
Footballguy
Not an exorcism but Rand Paul trying to force a woman to worship Aqua Buddah is up there for firsts.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/27/1272838/-Rand-Paul-and-Aqua-Buddha
Rand Paul and Aqua Buddha
GQ Exclusive: Rand Paul's Kooky College Days [...]
The strangest episode of Paul's time at Baylor occurred one afternoon in 1983 (although memories about all of these events are understandably a bit hazy, so the date might be slightly off), when he and a NoZe brother paid a visit to a female student who was one of Paul's teammates on the Baylor swim team. According to this woman, who requested anonymity because of her current job as a clinical psychologist, "He and Randy came to my house, they knocked on my door, and then they blindfolded me, tied me up, and put me in their car. They took me to their apartment and tried to force me to take bong hits. They'd been smoking pot." After the woman refused to smoke with them, Paul and his friend put her back in their car and drove to the countryside outside of Waco, where they stopped near a creek. "They told me their god was 'Aqua Buddha' and that I needed to bow down and worship him," the woman recalls. "They blindfolded me and made me bow down to 'Aqua Buddha' in the creek. I had to say, 'I worship you Aqua Buddha, I worship you.' At Baylor, there were people actively going around trying to save you and we had to go to chapel, so worshiping idols was a big no-no."
NorvilleBarnes
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NorvilleBarnes
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bigbottom
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Awesome - there's really no way they'll top the last GOP primary, that bar is just set way too high, but I think this crew is shaping up nicely.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Ack, that was like a punch in the gut, how could you? - However my State asked me to look into this and I was surprised to learn he ran thrice: once as Democrat, second as an independent, third as a Republican (1992). I am not sure he ever got on a ballot outside Louisiana.Fennis said:
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Made Bernie Sanders look like Ted Cruz. If Long had lost the Demo nomination he probably would have run his own party nationally, 1936 or 1940.timschochet said:
At any rate Zach Taylor is still the only Louisianan to make it to the big house, albeit IIRC he was born outside LA.
timschochet
Footballguy
Whats with the thick glasses? Is that supposed to make him look smarter than last time?bigbottom said:
Fennis
Footballguy
Wheelchairs for the eyes.Whats with the thick glasses? Is that supposed to make him look smarter than last time?bigbottom said:
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Have to say, political ads are an art form. Who is this great man (in glasses) who will save our nation?bigbottom said:
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Right, it's him, I was kidding, I was just speaking of the grand tone of the opening where it sounds like Jack Kennedy is returning to lead us or something.
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GoFishTN
Footballguy
The National problem where they control the House, Senate, and most governorships?
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
The national problem where they have lost the popular vote in the Presidential election 5 out of the last 6 times, and where they consistently pull as many as 5 million less votes for Congressional candidates nationwide that the Democratic candidates, but retain their majority through creative gerrymandering and limiting access to voting for Americans in key areas.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Look at Illinois and tell me again the GOP is gerrymandering. Excuses are like #######s, everyone has one. So, great, you get the Presidency this time. I'll take the House, Senate and most Governorships and State legislatures.
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
Look at Pennsylvania and tell me that isnt gerrymandering. Gerrymandering is a losing endgame. Good luck with that longterm.
Look at Illinois and tell me again the GOP is gerrymandering. Excuses are like #######s, everyone has one. So, great, you get the Presidency this time. I'll take the House, Senate and most Governorships and State legislatures.
The real national problem for Republicans is that the GOP has moved into KooKland as a party and purged itself of centrists and moderates. You are Exhibit A.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Yeah, sorry, but that's just not how the voters see it in the elections for the House, Senate, Governorships, State Legislatures and State Supreme Courts. I think that says MORE about Democrats than it does about Republicans.Look at Pennsylvania and tell me that isnt gerrymandering. Gerrymandering is a losing endgame. Good luck with that longterm.
Look at Illinois and tell me again the GOP is gerrymandering. Excuses are like #######s, everyone has one. So, great, you get the Presidency this time. I'll take the House, Senate and most Governorships and State legislatures.
The real national problem for Republicans is that the GOP has moved into KooKland as a party and purged itself of centrists and moderates. You are Exhibit A.
Your claims about gerrymandering are ridiculous. IF you were as concerned about it as you claim to be, you would have been speaking and raining "Kooks" on Democrats about it years ago when the they were doing it left and right.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Is this thread just about those things...or is it currently more about the Presidential election?
Both parties have done whatever they could to get the districts right for them and their voters. It will always happen that way.
Still...I think presidential elections are such a different beast right now and not sure the GOP has a winning candidate at this point.
Both parties have done whatever they could to get the districts right for them and their voters. It will always happen that way.
Still...I think presidential elections are such a different beast right now and not sure the GOP has a winning candidate at this point.
The Commish
Footballguy
It doesn't really matter. Only a doosh would allow something like that to enter his mind to begin with.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Maybe. I really like Rubio at the moment but it's so far out that I think most people are probably "meh" right now on pretty much anyone from either party.
As we get closer the real candidates will emerge and then things will get exciting.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Rubio needs to shut his mouth some...Jeb too.
Id prefer Paul and Kasich to any of them.
Any other from GOP right now and Id likely vote 3rd party again.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Not big into politics and don't vote much. Excuse me for sounding ignorant, why isn't Paul Ryan running? Probably a stupid question just curious.
D_House
Footballguy
Good question. Also interested in an answer. My guess would be it has something to do with Walker running from Wisconsin.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
It does but Ryan also believes he has more power being the head of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee.
My guess is that he will run again in the next 4 - 8 years (depending upon who's President).
Chadstroma
Footballguy
My guess is he is young and figures that the field is so open and chaotic, why get bruised up fighting through it? Wait it out and look for a better opportunity.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Scott Walker would like to amend the constitution to allow states to ban same sex marriage.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/07/scott-walker-gay-marriage_n_7529072.html
Helps in Iowa, hurts in general. Hillary says thanks.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/07/scott-walker-gay-marriage_n_7529072.html
Helps in Iowa, hurts in general. Hillary says thanks.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Oof...given how gay marriage continues to get passed in states...who would advise that this is a good idea other than to rile up that conservative base that will already like him.
Its not a great national strategy at all IMO.
The Commish
Footballguy
Can we discuss how embarrassing it is for the GOP to have space in a primary for Lindsay Graham please? I mean really? At least, if he makes it to the debates, he'll be embarrassingly funny.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I don't know if they are doing this, but at one point it was discussed that yes there would be one debate for the top 10 in key polls, but also have a second debate with the remainder. I'm a fan of bad football, and this could also be fun or interesting in the way of a bad politics playoff. Graham, Jindal, Carson, who else would be in that 2nd debate, sort of a Div II playoff or relegation debate maybe?
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
A comment on Bobby Jindal, and this isn't the only one, because oh yeah he will be running in embarrassing (for him & LA) fashion, but it's the only one right now.
I'd like to know why this guy, who was a bit of a reputed whizkid, someone who made his name as a technocrat and middle way numbers cruncher and policy wonk, has decided to make his foray into national politics via social wedge issues. It hasn't been popular in LA, we are a weird, divided, varied, often populist state with a good part of it especially Acadiana and NO being almost socially liberal or libertarian (in a kind of laissez fairre way). He got elected on an ethics, good government reform platform, someone who had worked with both Democrats and Republicans and who had been about data and transparency, and then he became Talking Point Bobby, spending 90% of his time out of state and becoming a real ventriloquist dummy for the oil industry.
I don't know, personal feelings and political philosophy aside, it seems like a bizarre move. Maybe it's the social issues thing that bring in the dough and base enthusiasm in both parties, but it seems to me from a strategy perspective he has scrapped the one thing he had going for him, now he just has what a lot of the other Goppers have but less so.
He will be announcing in New Orleans, a city he often ran against in the rest of the state and which seems like it is another world from what he has painted himself as belonging to. It's a matter of local debate as to why in the hell he is opening his campaign here.
However it also occurs to me that these politicians run nationally and meanwhile they are known much better at home. They paint one image nationally and meantime the locals know them a whole other way.
I'd like to know why this guy, who was a bit of a reputed whizkid, someone who made his name as a technocrat and middle way numbers cruncher and policy wonk, has decided to make his foray into national politics via social wedge issues. It hasn't been popular in LA, we are a weird, divided, varied, often populist state with a good part of it especially Acadiana and NO being almost socially liberal or libertarian (in a kind of laissez fairre way). He got elected on an ethics, good government reform platform, someone who had worked with both Democrats and Republicans and who had been about data and transparency, and then he became Talking Point Bobby, spending 90% of his time out of state and becoming a real ventriloquist dummy for the oil industry.
I don't know, personal feelings and political philosophy aside, it seems like a bizarre move. Maybe it's the social issues thing that bring in the dough and base enthusiasm in both parties, but it seems to me from a strategy perspective he has scrapped the one thing he had going for him, now he just has what a lot of the other Goppers have but less so.
He will be announcing in New Orleans, a city he often ran against in the rest of the state and which seems like it is another world from what he has painted himself as belonging to. It's a matter of local debate as to why in the hell he is opening his campaign here.
However it also occurs to me that these politicians run nationally and meanwhile they are known much better at home. They paint one image nationally and meantime the locals know them a whole other way.
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timschochet
Footballguy
How long will he stay in Saints? I kind of see him doing a quick fade ala Tim Pawlenty last time out. Pawlenty was hyped for months as a guy with a real chance by the media, and he quit after the first debate.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
It's all about expectations. Pawlenty had poured a ton of time and money and resources into Iowa, and wasn't getting anywhere. It was obvious he has no chance after that happened, because his whole strategy was to build off momentum from a good finish in Iowa.
It's pretty hard to say which of these GOP candidates will drop out early, the race is so fluid and they all have different expectations for the early primaries.
timschochet
Footballguy
Good point about expectations. Back to Newt again- he and Santorum demonstrated two things last time out that all of these guys should pay attention to: first, no matter how bad the polls have you and no matter how little money you've got, the debates can save you- they're the single most important element in the primary race. They can also destroy you- see Rick Perry.
Second is that in a crowded field the key is to hang on and not make any huge gaffes- your time will come. John McCain was completely written off as a candidate in late 2007, and then a confluence of events left him the last man standing.
Second is that in a crowded field the key is to hang on and not make any huge gaffes- your time will come. John McCain was completely written off as a candidate in late 2007, and then a confluence of events left him the last man standing.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
That's a good post by FatGuy, what he said. Though Bobby has a penchant for talking outside his knowledge zone. Pawlenty was milquetoast, I guess he just didn't have "it" but I don't remember any gaffes from him or saying things that made other candidates or the party look bad. I will also say that just as much as it's been fun watching all these candidates get in and when they joust, it will be like mosquitos hitting the zapper when they start dropping out. I'm guessing Jindal will be like the others and he will be getting at least to South Carolina to make one big push with the wingers before calling it quits. In some weird way maybe Bobby thinks his status as a Suhthuhnuh will help him get to and through Super Tuesday. But he didn't win his first time in LA.
It might be worth noting that Bobby actually did pretty well with the black vote here, which might be surprising - I'm not 100% positive but IIRC he got like 25-33% if the black vote in NO, go figure that.
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SaintsInDome2006
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OTOH this means the GOP has one African-American, two Hispanics, an Asian American, and one woman running.
The Demos have no blacks running one election cycle after electing the first black president, one woman, no minorities, and three old white men/women. Bit of a flip there.
The Demos have no blacks running one election cycle after electing the first black president, one woman, no minorities, and three old white men/women. Bit of a flip there.
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squistion
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Indeed, it makes one wonder about the future of the Democratic party when their candidates don't reflect diversity and changing demographic trends.
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