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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (1 Viewer)
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Well lesseee:
- Carson has tied Trump in Iowa
- Fiorina is 3rd in Iowa - and yet can't get invited to the main CNN debate. That's ridiculous.
- The top 3 spots in the GOP in Iowa are held by non-politicians.
I'm gonna say there is some major anti-establishment sentiment going on right now in both parties.
- Carson has tied Trump in Iowa
- Fiorina is 3rd in Iowa - and yet can't get invited to the main CNN debate. That's ridiculous.
- The top 3 spots in the GOP in Iowa are held by non-politicians.
I'm gonna say there is some major anti-establishment sentiment going on right now in both parties.
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NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Several other candidates (Carson and Perry at least) saying Fiorina should be in the CNN debate.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Spin? Dude, I'm not conservative, Republican, anti-Choice or a Carson supporter. It's just obvious that's what he meant.
FFS, we don't need to start deliberately interpreting every politician's quote in the worst possible way this early in the process do we?
SIDA!
Footballguy
Fiorina should be happy she is on the outside looking in. She has started and should continue to push the anti-establishment narrative.
I have said it here or in the other thread...that Republican voters are madder than hell at the GOP leadership.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Wait Perry is really saying that? He must really want a piece of Rand Paul.
-QG
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Looks like Fiorina is in.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/cnn-changes-debate-criteria-clearing-path-for-fiorina-213237
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/cnn-changes-debate-criteria-clearing-path-for-fiorina-213237
Fennis
Footballguy
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Sand
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Q28 (Republicans) Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States?I think he meant a link to the assertion
Yes.................................................................. 29%
No ................................................................... 44%
Not sure .......................................................... 26%
Q29 (Republicans) Do you think Ted Cruz was born
in the United States?
Yes.................................................................. 40%
No ................................................................... 22%
Not sure .......................................................... 39%
The Commish
Footballguy
This could take all day, so I'll just cut to the chase. "Trump Supporter" <> "More Republicans"Q28 (Republicans) Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States?I think he meant a link to the assertion
Yes.................................................................. 29%
No ................................................................... 44%
Not sure .......................................................... 26%
Q29 (Republicans) Do you think Ted Cruz was born
in the United States?
Yes.................................................................. 40%
No ................................................................... 22%
Not sure .......................................................... 39%
There is no question they are a special breed though.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Actually despite how they worded the article... the survey was...
Public Policy Polling surveyed 572 usual Republican primary voters and 545 usual Democratic primary voters from August 28th to 30th.
Public Policy Polling surveyed 572 usual Republican primary voters and 545 usual Democratic primary voters from August 28th to 30th.
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Fennis
Footballguy
Bad news, those are Republicans. Trump supporters are even worse. Only Bush, Kasich, Christie, and "unknown" have 50% or more that thinks Obama was born in US.This could take all day, so I'll just cut to the chase. "Trump Supporter" <> "More Republicans"Q28 (Republicans) Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States?I think he meant a link to the assertion
Yes.................................................................. 29%
No ................................................................... 44%
Not sure .......................................................... 26%
Q29 (Republicans) Do you think Ted Cruz was born
in the United States?
Yes.................................................................. 40%
No ................................................................... 22%
Not sure .......................................................... 39%
There is no question they are a special breed though.
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The Commish
Footballguy
Looks like I need to clarify. I'm not saying that they set out to simply poll Trump supporters. I'm confident that wasn't the goal. What I'm saying is that the group they got ended up being such and that group is a special breed.
The Commish
Footballguy
Though I'll say, if the sane people are bailing and not really identifying as "republican" anymore, I can see this assertion being perfectly legit.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
That is nuts.Q28 (Republicans) Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States?I think he meant a link to the assertion
Yes.................................................................. 29%
No ................................................................... 44%
Not sure .......................................................... 26%
Q29 (Republicans) Do you think Ted Cruz was born
in the United States?
Yes.................................................................. 40%
No ................................................................... 22%
Not sure .......................................................... 39%
What I would have liked to have seen is a follow up question which asks of the number that said No to both, 'Do you think that Cruz/Obama should still be allowed to be President?'
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Sand
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timschochet
Footballguy
Sand, it's not equal. I'm sorry but it isn't.
Currently the Democrats are divided between two people, Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. You may dislike both of them, but neither one is crazy. They're both talking serious ideas. They're both serious people. Are their crazies and stupids within the Democratic party? Sure? But the Allen Graysons and Maxine Waters types don't get anywhere near the Presidential race, MUCH LESS LEAD IT!!
The Republicans right now are saddled with one nut after another. Name me a single reasonable Republican who isn't either rejected or completely despised by the Republican base. Go ahead, name one.
The Commish
Footballguy
In a single instance it's rarely equal. Look at entire bodies of work over time, the results of their actions and the state of the nation, then get back to me about how different they are.
Fennis
Footballguy
its all in there.
62% of Cruz supporters think Cruz was born in the US, 29% correctly identified he wasn't.
19% of Kasich supporters think Cruz was born in the US, 53% correctly identified he wasn't.
28% of Cruz supporter correctly identified that Obama was born in the US, 40% think he wasn't.
58% of Kasich supported correctly identified that Obama was born in the US, 13% think he wasn't.
jamny
Footballguy
The Z Machine
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
If your implication is that once in office Republicans don't act nearly as crazy they sound when they're campaigning, you're correct. But that's only because their "establishment", reasonable leadership has (so far) held them in check. And guess what? The base HATES the leadership for that. The base doesn't want these crazies held in check, but free to pursue their loony ideas. That's why Donald Trump and Ben Carson are leading the pack. The Republican base has gone out of their collective minds, and there is NO comparison among the Dems. None whatsoever.
The Commish
Footballguy
There was no implication anywhere. I said it as plainly as I could and it appears you missed it.
The world is changing quickly and it is causing a certain percentage of the population to be terrified and go off their rockers...enter Donald Trump and Ben Carson. They won't embrace change, they will resist it, they will bring us back to the 50s and the ever changing world won't affect them. The world is at our door you either get on board or be the last to leave the station
tuffnutt
Footballguy
The best argument against Democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.-Winston Churchill
Eephus
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
What do you think is so bad about the state of the nation? Things have been mostly good since Clinton took office and the country even survived Bush's ####up in Iraq.
The Commish
Footballguy
Big business comes first in just about everything. Where we should be protected, our government remains silent, where they have no business they are front and center. We have a debt that is increasing by the day while our infrastructure is crumbling around us.cstu said:
CBusAlex
Footballguy
What are the odds that a random sample of 572 Republican voters actually includes Jim Gilmore himself?
Don Quixote
Footballguy
What's kind of funny is that when you go down to the favorability of the candidates, among Gilmore supporters, Gilmore is at 100% unfavorable.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I'm not really sure you can complain about the debt and the crumbling infrastructure in the same breath. Unless you're in favor of a significant tax increase- and as a staunch anti-government type I assume you're not- fixing one requires doing further damage to the other.
The Commish
Footballguy
Why not? They are completely independent of each other. And I'm not anti-government by any stretch. I AM anti-incompetent. I don't have a problem increasing taxes if those increases go to things that will make this country better. Healthcare, our infrastructure, our military are all examples of areas where I think tax dollars should go.
Problem usually is, when they increase the taxes, the money goes to none of these sorts of things and the tax increases are because of money mismanagement. I have a problem with raising taxes because they need to bail themselves out of the mistakes they've made. On top of that, the tax increases usually trickle down to those who can least afford them. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
So you're saying don't raise taxes, just allocate existing revenue better than they've done so far. Fine. Sounds good to me.
The American Society of Civil Engineers estimates that we'd need to spend $3.6 trillion by 2020 to repair our infrastructure.
Here's the federal budget. Certainly some of that already goes to infrastructure, the bulk of the transportation and housing stuff for example and probably some of the military spending through the Corps of Engineers, so let's conservatively say that you need to find another $2.5 trillion over the next 5 years to reallocate to infrastructure. Where would you start?
The Commish
Footballguy
I first identify the issues and categorize them based on severity. I don't know why this has to be done on a five year time table. They didn't get in this situation in 5 years, no idea why we have to be out in five years. I do away with our antiquated income tax model and shift to a consumption based tax. I'd cut back on our defense budget for a period of time. We are so far ahead of everyone else in the world, we can afford to do that.
And just out of spite, I cut the politician paychecks and their health benefits.....the amount would be a blip on the radar compared to our national debt but it's a message sent.
jamny
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Obviously, this is spit balling (at best) but there are plenty of ways to begin getting out of the problem. There are three main components:
1. Monetary inflow
2. Monetary allocation
3. Monetary outflow
A sensible alteration to all three components seems appropriate to me but that means going against the grain (business and really rich people)
1. Monetary inflow
2. Monetary allocation
3. Monetary outflow
A sensible alteration to all three components seems appropriate to me but that means going against the grain (business and really rich people)
Sand
Footballguy
Again I was referring to the masses, not the candidates.timschochet said:
Of course we can. Obama had a huge opportunity to dramatically improve our infrastructure with stimulus spending. And, to be honest, he completely, utterly pissed that money away.
Rove!
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I used a five year time table because that's what the American Society of Civil Engineers used in their repair estimates. Its the number that was available.
Re the bolded: it's always amazing how people think free market principles don't apply in the public sector. If you don't like the current leadership in Washington this is pretty much the worst thing you could do to improve it.
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