Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (3 Viewers)

[SameSongNDance]

This is the GOP's biggest problem. The party's voters are ga ga about a guy who has no chance in the general election. They are too short-sided to do what's best for their party. They're just so high on the hatred and bigotry right now that they're not seeing the big picture.

So people that vote for the GOP are filled with hatred and are bigots?

Mostly the people supporting trump that disagree with Democrats

That's actually more like it. You guys use "racist", "bigot", "homophobe" and the like so much to describe those that don't agree with you that they've pretty much lost all effectiveness.

It's not so much that the phrases have lost their effectiveness but more so that people have just become jaded. Bigotry is essentially implied now as it pertains to how the GOP approaches social issues. Part of it stems from an obsession to turn America into a Christian theocracy, the other is simply the GOP pandering to its constituency where exclusion is the name of the game. Statistically, it's a losing strategy both short and long-term as long as the trend in shifting demographics remains (they will).

What's sad is how the GOP's approach to social issues is completely drowning out any relevant economic views they may hold. Take Asian-Americans for instance. They are the fastest growing demo and also sport the highest median household income in the U.S. They used to overwhelmingly vote Republican but due to blatant bigotry and discrimination (it really, truly is blatant) they now overwhelming vote Democrat.

 

[T J]

I have made several posts in this thread about the state of the GOP race that you are free to critique. As for Trump, he is a boorish rabble-rouser who appeals to lower class whites who feel they've been given short shrift by advances in multiculturalism/liberalism and feel threatened by the economic shift away from blue-collar jobs which has been encouraged by Obama with the tacit approval of the political elite of the GOP. Basically being white in this country ain't all it's cracked up to be anymore and they want to make America great again by returning to the cultural mores of the 1950's.

He is a nightmare for Republicans because, while the white trash demographic is large enough to give Trump the lead, it is hardly enough to carry a national election and will have repercussions down the ticket leading to the democratic party re-taking the Senate and who knows how many governorships and House seats. Or so the thinking goes.

I have to wonder why any non-white male would even consider voting for Trump. That is probably the only group of people he hasn't insulted.

He may be the frontrunner in the GOP primaries right now but I honestly can't see him ever winning a general election given the ever changing demographics. I believe that was one of the biggest reasons (if not the biggest reason) Romney lost and Trump has little if any chance of getting more of the Latino vote than Romney got and without that I don't see how he could win. That doesn't even factor in the African-American vote or women voters. The numbers simply do not add up.

Are there polls that break down Trump supporters by demographics like the above?

Latest CNN poll has Trump at 24% of the "non white" (CNN's term) vote.

If that is true I really can't see any way Trump could ever win a general election regardless of whether it's against Hillary or Sanders.

This is the GOP's biggest problem. The party's voters are ga ga about a guy who has no chance in the general election. They are too short-sided to do what's best for their party. They're just so high on the hatred and bigotry right now that they're not seeing the big picture.

So people that vote for the GOP are filled with hatred and are bigots?

Mostly the people supporting trump that disagree with Democrats

That's actually more like it. You guys use "racist", "bigot", "homophobe" and the like so much to describe those that don't agree with you that they've pretty much lost all effectiveness.

I agree with this 100%. Just because a person is not politically correct (I'm not) doesn't mean that they're a hateful bigot. And people are getting tired of being portrayed that way. Do I have biases? Yes I do. But I don't "hate" anyone.

 

[The Commish]

This is the GOP's biggest problem. The party's voters are ga ga about a guy who has no chance in the general election. They are too short-sided to do what's best for their party. They're just so high on the hatred and bigotry right now that they're not seeing the big picture.

So people that vote for the GOP are filled with hatred and are bigots?

Mostly the people supporting trump that disagree with Democrats

That's actually more like it. You guys use "racist", "bigot", "homophobe" and the like so much to describe those that don't agree with you that they've pretty much lost all effectiveness.

It's not so much that the phrases have lost their effectiveness but more so that people have just become jaded. Bigotry is essentially implied now as it pertains to how the GOP approaches social issues. Part of it stems from an obsession to turn America into a Christian theocracy, the other is simply the GOP pandering to its constituency where exclusion is the name of the game. Statistically, it's a losing strategy both short and long-term as long as the trend in shifting demographics remains (they will).

What's sad is how the GOP's approach to social issues is completely drowning out any relevant economic views they may hold. Take Asian-Americans for instance. They are the fastest growing demo and also sport the highest median household income in the U.S. They used to overwhelmingly vote Republican but due to blatant bigotry and discrimination (it really, truly is blatant) they now overwhelming vote Democrat.

This isn't a "GOP problem" though...it's a lazy person problem. I'm not defending them by any stretch but I agree with the post you quoted. People just "assume" to the point where the terms have become worthless.

 

[bagger]

Just because someone doesn't hate their slave doesn't absolve them for endorsing slavery.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I have made several posts in this thread about the state of the GOP race that you are free to critique. As for Trump, he is a boorish rabble-rouser who appeals to lower class whites who feel they've been given short shrift by advances in multiculturalism/liberalism and feel threatened by the economic shift away from blue-collar jobs which has been encouraged by Obama with the tacit approval of the political elite of the GOP. Basically being white in this country ain't all it's cracked up to be anymore and they want to make America great again by returning to the cultural mores of the 1950's.

He is a nightmare for Republicans because, while the white trash demographic is large enough to give Trump the lead, it is hardly enough to carry a national election and will have repercussions down the ticket leading to the democratic party re-taking the Senate and who knows how many governorships and House seats. Or so the thinking goes.

I have to wonder why any non-white male would even consider voting for Trump. That is probably the only group of people he hasn't insulted.

He may be the frontrunner in the GOP primaries right now but I honestly can't see him ever winning a general election given the ever changing demographics. I believe that was one of the biggest reasons (if not the biggest reason) Romney lost and Trump has little if any chance of getting more of the Latino vote than Romney got and without that I don't see how he could win. That doesn't even factor in the African-American vote or women voters. The numbers simply do not add up.

Are there polls that break down Trump supporters by demographics like the above?

Latest CNN poll has Trump at 24% of the "non white" (CNN's term) vote.

If that is true I really can't see any way Trump could ever win a general election regardless of whether it's against Hillary or Sanders.

This is the GOP's biggest problem. The party's voters are ga ga about a guy who has no chance in the general election. They are too short-sided to do what's best for their party. They're just so high on the hatred and bigotry right now that they're not seeing the big picture.

So people that vote for the GOP are filled with hatred and are bigots?

Mostly the people supporting trump that disagree with Democrats

That's actually more like it. You guys use "racist", "bigot", "homophobe" and the like so much to describe those that don't agree with you that they've pretty much lost all effectiveness.

I agree with this 100%. Just because a person is not politically correct (I'm not) doesn't mean that they're a hateful bigot. And people are getting tired of being portrayed that way. Do I have biases? Yes I do. But I don't "hate" anyone.

Agreed. I think Muslims are bad people who shouldn't be in this country. Not all, but many. We also have a lot of Mexicans over here stealing our jobs and committing crimes and stealing our jobs. Black people overwhelmingly are creating a disproportionate amount of crime, and attacking our police officers while staging racist protests. And then we have gays wanting stuff like being able to marry like straight people. I'm not a bigot, never mind a hateful one. I just think everyone who isn't a white male is inferior. I, for one, am glad we have someone like Trump leading the charge of enlightenment for finally giving the white man his long awaited due taste of superiority even if it comes at the hands of so called 'political incorrectness'.

 

[JuniorNB]

I have made several posts in this thread about the state of the GOP race that you are free to critique. As for Trump, he is a boorish rabble-rouser who appeals to lower class whites who feel they've been given short shrift by advances in multiculturalism/liberalism and feel threatened by the economic shift away from blue-collar jobs which has been encouraged by Obama with the tacit approval of the political elite of the GOP. Basically being white in this country ain't all it's cracked up to be anymore and they want to make America great again by returning to the cultural mores of the 1950's.

He is a nightmare for Republicans because, while the white trash demographic is large enough to give Trump the lead, it is hardly enough to carry a national election and will have repercussions down the ticket leading to the democratic party re-taking the Senate and who knows how many governorships and House seats. Or so the thinking goes.

I have to wonder why any non-white male would even consider voting for Trump. That is probably the only group of people he hasn't insulted.

He may be the frontrunner in the GOP primaries right now but I honestly can't see him ever winning a general election given the ever changing demographics. I believe that was one of the biggest reasons (if not the biggest reason) Romney lost and Trump has little if any chance of getting more of the Latino vote than Romney got and without that I don't see how he could win. That doesn't even factor in the African-American vote or women voters. The numbers simply do not add up.

Are there polls that break down Trump supporters by demographics like the above?

Latest CNN poll has Trump at 24% of the "non white" (CNN's term) vote.

If that is true I really can't see any way Trump could ever win a general election regardless of whether it's against Hillary or Sanders.

This is the GOP's biggest problem. The party's voters are ga ga about a guy who has no chance in the general election. They are too short-sided to do what's best for their party. They're just so high on the hatred and bigotry right now that they're not seeing the big picture.

So people that vote for the GOP are filled with hatred and are bigots?

Mostly the people supporting trump that disagree with Democrats

That's actually more like it. You guys use "racist", "bigot", "homophobe" and the like so much to describe those that don't agree with you that they've pretty much lost all effectiveness.

I agree with this 100%. Just because a person is not politically correct (I'm not) doesn't mean that they're a hateful bigot. And people are getting tired of being portrayed that way. Do I have biases? Yes I do. But I don't "hate" anyone.

Agreed. I think Muslims are bad people who shouldn't be in this country. Not all, but many. We also have a lot of Mexicans over here stealing our jobs and committing crimes and stealing our jobs. Black people overwhelmingly are creating a disproportionate amount of crime, and attacking our police officers while staging racist protests. And then we have gays wanting stuff like being able to marry like straight people. I'm not a bigot, never mind a hateful one. I just think everyone who isn't a white male is inferior. I, for one, am glad we have someone like Trump leading the charge of enlightenment for finally giving the white man his long awaited due taste of superiority even if it comes at the hands of so called 'political incorrectness'.

Without being familiar with your previous body of work, I can't tell if you're a hugely disgusting racist with superiority issues, or a reasonable person who is being sarcastic and poking fun at racists who don't like to call themselves racist.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Jr., it's the latter.

 

[JuniorNB]

Jr., it's the latter.

I kind of figured when he said he thinks everyone who isn't a white male is inferior. But there really are people who feel like that. Thanks

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So I have a philosophical question. The perceived importance of political correctness is an actual issue for Trump voters. I never would have foreseen PC becoming an actual political issue that could in part drive a campaign. I also don't see any GOP or Democratic campaign literally opposing Trump on this, ie saying they are For PC

Is political correctness an actual ideology, is it an effect of an ideology, or is it a phenomena unconnected to an ideology?

 

[CBusAlex]

Without being familiar with your previous body of work, I can't tell if you're a hugely disgusting racist with superiority issues, or a reasonable person who is being sarcastic and poking fun at racists who don't like to call themselves racist.

Typical liberal, throwing around labels like "racist" just because someone believes their own ethnicity is inherently superior to all others.

 

[timschochet]

So I have a philosophical question. The perceived importance of political correctness is an actual issue for Trump voters. I never would have foreseen PC becoming an actual political issue that could in part drive a campaign. I also don't see any GOP or Democratic campaign literally opposing Trump on this, ie saying they are For PC

Is political correctness an actual ideology, is it an effect of an ideology, or is it a phenomena unconnected to an ideology?

Its none of the above. It's a catch-all term created and used by conservatives to complain about societal and cultural changes that have made certain attitudes out of bounds. For example, it used to be OK in our society to be homophobic. Now it isn't.

 

[AnonymousBob]

So I have a philosophical question. The perceived importance of political correctness is an actual issue for Trump voters. I never would have foreseen PC becoming an actual political issue that could in part drive a campaign. I also don't see any GOP or Democratic campaign literally opposing Trump on this, ie saying they are For PC

Is political correctness an actual ideology, is it an effect of an ideology, or is it a phenomena unconnected to an ideology?

Tim is right. It's not actually about political correctness. That angle is just a cover for idiots, racists, and bigots to cower beneath.

I will admit a lot of Trump supporters still probably haven't paid a great deal to his statements this early in the process. But if someone is an actual Trump supporter at this point, at best they're ignorant (nothing necessarily wrong with that). If they know his words and are still a fan, they're either an idiot or much, much, worse. You can generally agree or disagree with Rubio, Jeb, Kasich, Rand...but it's entirely reasonable to respect them as candidates. This Donald fellah? He's entertaining, I'll confess. But there's nothing to respect here as far as Presidential potential.

 

[The Commish]

So I have a philosophical question. The perceived importance of political correctness is an actual issue for Trump voters. I never would have foreseen PC becoming an actual political issue that could in part drive a campaign. I also don't see any GOP or Democratic campaign literally opposing Trump on this, ie saying they are For PC

Is political correctness an actual ideology, is it an effect of an ideology, or is it a phenomena unconnected to an ideology?

Political correctness is a clever way of masking bigotry IMO. That bigotry being towards those who are direct and to the point. It's not really easy to dismiss one who's direct and to the point, so people attempt to soften the message with political correctness. This leaves wiggle room to dance around the issue, get into semantics....anything but deal with the real issue. It has morphed into an excuse and a buzz term that people throw out when they don't want to really deal with things. Is that an ideology? Not sure it is.

 

[Jeremy]

So I have a philosophical question. The perceived importance of political correctness is an actual issue for Trump voters. I never would have foreseen PC becoming an actual political issue that could in part drive a campaign. I also don't see any GOP or Democratic campaign literally opposing Trump on this, ie saying they are For PC

Is political correctness an actual ideology, is it an effect of an ideology, or is it a phenomena unconnected to an ideology?

Its none of the above. It's a catch-all term created and used by conservatives to complain about societal and cultural changes that have made certain attitudes out of bounds. For example, it used to be OK in our society to be homophobic. Now it isn't.

I'm not sure they created it, but it certainly has evolved into that. I think it started in the early 90s as a genuine attempt to be more sensitive and respectful to different groups of people. I remember being in college at the time where it was discussed in the classroom as something positive.

Then it sort of got taken to ridiculous levels and the butt of jokes. Short people became "vertically challenged" and old people became "chronologically gifted". From there it became every bigot's excuse to say any crap that came to their mind. "well excuse me if I'm not <airquotes> 'politically correct' like you".

 

[AnonymousBob]

If you think Donald Trump is too liberal on immigration, Ted Cruz has got your back

.org? Really Ted? That's the best you can muster? That's embarrassing.

 

[The Commish]

This dude is scary....been trying to tell you guys. Trump is the least of the GOP's worries.

 

[AnonymousBob]

If you think Donald Trump is too liberal on immigration, Ted Cruz has got your back

.org? Really Ted? That's the best you can muster? That's embarrassing.

tedcruz.com is taken

That makes it even worse for him. Guy should at least change the site to something like Cruz2016.com, or try the Jebwillfix it stuff (only snatch the domain).

I find it funny and a bit sad we have an elected official wanting to lead this country further into a technology driven world, and he's showing how out of his element he is.

 

[The Commish]

If you think Donald Trump is too liberal on immigration, Ted Cruz has got your back

.org? Really Ted? That's the best you can muster? That's embarrassing.

tedcruz.com is taken

That makes it even worse for him. Guy should at least change the site to something like Cruz2016.com, or try the Jebwillfix it stuff (only snatch the domain).

I find it funny and a bit sad we have an elected official wanting to lead this country further into a technology driven world, and he's showing how out of his element he is.

He's in the same boat with the rest of them, and most of America apparently. Technology escapes many.

 

[tom22406]

I keep hearing how Chris Christie is gaining all this steam but for the life of me I can't figure out why.I guess the establishment wants one of Bush or Christie to win the nom but from the looks of it both are complete long shots at best right now.

I still think this comes down to Cruz and Rubio with Rubio the winner.

 

[AnonymousBob]

If you think Donald Trump is too liberal on immigration, Ted Cruz has got your back

.org? Really Ted? That's the best you can muster? That's embarrassing.

tedcruz.com is taken

That makes it even worse for him. Guy should at least change the site to something like Cruz2016.com, or try the Jebwillfix it stuff (only snatch the domain).

I find it funny and a bit sad we have an elected official wanting to lead this country further into a technology driven world, and he's showing how out of his element he is.

He's in the same boat with the rest of them, and most of America apparently. Technology escapes many.

Bernie has a pretty slick site. Granted he didn't build it as his first one was as bad as the rest, but I'll give him credit for quickly recognizing the quality and embracing it once volunteers pieced one together.

 

[lod01]

Fat ### Christie says he will go after marijuana legalization and end it. #### you fatboy. Fortunately, you got no chance, you worthless POS.

 

[Fennis]

Fat ### Christie says he will go after marijuana legalization and end it. #### you fatboy. Fortunately, you got no chance, you worthless POS.

you are in desperate need of some weed

 

[timschochet]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ethanol-backers-mobilize-against-ted-cruz-in-iowa-republican-race-1452127023

I'll never be a fan of Ted Cruz, but I have to give him credit for being right on this issue. I believe that he and Rand Paul are the only candidates on either side who have come out against ethanol. Shades of Arnie Vinick!

 

[MaxThreshold]

Fat ### Christie says he will go after marijuana legalization and end it. #### you fatboy. Fortunately, you got no chance, you worthless POS.

Now you know how conservatives feel when the left tries to take away our guns. NOW maybe you can understand?

 

[AnonymousBob]

Fat ### Christie says he will go after marijuana legalization and end it. #### you fatboy. Fortunately, you got no chance, you worthless POS.

Now you know how conservatives feel when the left tries to take away our guns. NOW maybe you can understand?

How is this remotely the same thing? Who is banning all guns?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Ted Cruz has no American birth certificate.

What now righties?

 

[joffer]

Fat ### Christie says he will go after marijuana legalization and end it. #### you fatboy. Fortunately, you got no chance, you worthless POS.

Now you know how conservatives feel when the left tries to take away our guns. NOW maybe you can understand?

WTF

 

[trogg78]

Fat ### Christie says he will go after marijuana legalization and end it. #### you fatboy. Fortunately, you got no chance, you worthless POS.

Now you know how conservatives feel when the left tries to take away our guns. NOW maybe you can understand?

Name one law abiding citizen that had their guns taken away by Obama.

 

[RBM]

Ted Cruz has no American birth certificate.

What now righties?

What do you mean?

 

[Bucky86]

Ted Cruz has no American birth certificate.

What now righties?

What do you mean?

The opposite of lefties.

 

[bigbottom]

Ted Cruz has no American birth certificate.

What now righties?

He was a U.S. citizen at birth. So was Obama. However, if Obama had been born in Kenya (or in a foreign country), he would not have been a U.S. citizen. But of course he was born in Hawaii.

 

[RBM]

Ted Cruz has no American birth certificate.

What now righties?

What do you mean?

The opposite of lefties.

And...

 

[Fennis]

Ted Cruz has no American birth certificate.

What now righties?

What do you mean?

Donald Trump says Cruz's status would be "big trouble" for Republicans if Cruz wins the nomination.

 

[SIDA!]

Is this still the thread where a bunch of people who will never vote republican comment on what the gop needs to do to win and how racist all the Republican voters are. ...oh, and how trump has no chance?

 

[sho nuff]

Is this still the thread where a bunch of people who will never vote republican comment on what the gop needs to do to win and how racist all the Republican voters are. ...oh, and how trump has no chance?

Or the place where a bunch of people who will vote republican no matter what pretend they are open minded when they know they will vote for Trump or Cruz or whoever with an R next to their name.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Is this still the thread where a bunch of people who will never vote republican comment on what the gop needs to do to win and how racist all the Republican voters are. ...oh, and how trump has no chance?

I keep waiting for the GOP to regain its sanity, and it keeps not happening. Yes, Trump has a real chance at the Republican nomination, which pretty much gives him a chance at the White House. That's really too ####ed up to wrap my mind around.

 

[SIDA!]

My favorite part is how democrats and gop establishment nut huggers think trump won't pull any white dems in the general. Boy, are they in for a shock.

 

[SIDA!]

Is this still the thread where a bunch of people who will never vote republican comment on what the gop needs to do to win and how racist all the Republican voters are. ...oh, and how trump has no chance?

Or the place where a bunch of people who will vote republican no matter what pretend they are open minded when they know they will vote for Trump or Cruz or whoever with an R next to their name.

I'm sure there are some. I'm not one of them though.

 

[sho nuff]

Is this still the thread where a bunch of people who will never vote republican comment on what the gop needs to do to win and how racist all the Republican voters are. ...oh, and how trump has no chance?

Or the place where a bunch of people who will vote republican no matter what pretend they are open minded when they know they will vote for Trump or Cruz or whoever with an R next to their name.

I'm sure there are some. I'm not one of them though.

Yeah, sure you're not.

 

[SIDA!]

I have no reason to lie. I did not vote for Bush in 2004. Not sure why you would think I'm lying.

I have never voted for a dem for federal office though.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Ted Cruz has no American birth certificate.

What now righties?

He was a U.S. citizen at birth. So was Obama. However, if Obama had been born in Kenya (or in a foreign country), he would not have been a U.S. citizen. But of course he was born in Hawaii.

But what about the years of Birth Certificate tears?

And yes he was born a citizen, but that doesnt necessarily mean natural born citizen.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Ted Cruz has no American birth certificate.

What now righties?

He was a U.S. citizen at birth. So was Obama. However, if Obama had been born in Kenya (or in a foreign country), he would not have been a U.S. citizen. But of course he was born in Hawaii.

His mom was always a U.S. Citizen y'know. Your hypothetical is moot.

-QG

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Ted Cruz has no American birth certificate.

What now righties?

He was a U.S. citizen at birth. So was Obama. However, if Obama had been born in Kenya (or in a foreign country), he would not have been a U.S. citizen. But of course he was born in Hawaii.

His mom was always a U.S. Citizen y'know. Your hypothetical is moot.

-QG

I still don't understand the claim about Obama.

If Obama had been born in Kenya - or Canada, which was also one of the allegations - then why would he have not been a citizen anyway? Personally I kind of like the idea that you would have to been born here to be president but I see the Constitutional origin and the derivation of 'natural born'. But it seems to me the point with Obama would have been moot too. Even if that magic Nairobi BC had shown up he still could and would have been president.

 

[elbowrm]

There is qualifying language around how long a citizen parent has lived in the US- I think it includes 5 years after the age of 14. Since Obama's mother was 18 when he was born, he is not eligible to be a citizen unless he was born in the US. Cruz and McCain were not born in the US but had parent(s) who met the qualifying residency requirements.

 

[Insomniac]

There is qualifying language around how long a citizen parent has lived in the US- I think it includes 5 years after the age of 14. Since Obama's mother was 18 when he was born, he is not eligible to be a citizen unless he was born in the US. Cruz and McCain were not born in the US but had parent(s) who met the qualifying residency requirements.

What percentage of the conservative birthers do you think were actually aware of this requirement when they claimed that Obama wasn't a natural born citizen? I'm guessing it approached 0%. They believed you had to be born in the US to be a natural born citizen. Now many of the exact same people are Cruz supporters. None of the birthers cared about McCain being born in the Canal Zone either.

I'd never vote for Cruz but he is eligible to run for POTUS.

 

[Rove!]

There is qualifying language around how long a citizen parent has lived in the US- I think it includes 5 years after the age of 14. Since Obama's mother was 18 when he was born, he is not eligible to be a citizen unless he was born in the US. Cruz and McCain were not born in the US but had parent(s) who met the qualifying residency requirements.

What percentage of the conservative birthers do you think were actually aware of this requirement when they claimed that Obama wasn't a natural born citizen? I'm guessing it approached 0%. They believed you had to be born in the US to be a natural born citizen. Now many of the exact same people are Cruz supporters. None of the birthers cared about McCain being born in the Canal Zone either. I'd never vote for Cruz but he is eligible to run for POTUS.

I think amongst Birthers it was closer to 100 %...

 

[Smack Tripper]

Who would elect a Canadian president of the United States?

 

[timschochet]

Cruz isn't black and he doesn't have a Muslim sounding name. That was 99% of the whole Birther thing. Cruz won't have any problems over this.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

He won't have any problems with the legality of it. But it will be pretty funny if people start showing up at his rallies with Canadian flags.

 

[The General]

Listening to Rubio this morning pretty long interview. He is clearly to me - someone who wouldn't vote for any Republican this time - your best candidate.

I find myself spacing out as he talks because he says so much, when that happens I am mesmerized by how big his earlobes are. They are really freakishly large.