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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (1 Viewer)

TobiasFunke said:
Boy, things sure change once you venture outside the walled-in ignorance of the Trump thread, eh Loan Sharks?
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What do you mean. I make the point that the messages of the candidates besides Bernie and Trump aren't getting out and I am refuted by someone posting things that the average american isn't going to read. Thats the point. Bumper sticker readers are going to decide the winner. 

Things are really going to change once you leave your political threads and message boards. 

About 150,000 people in Nevada caucused that would be guys like you and Tim and Sida. You know the guys who really are into this ####. The other 2,850,000 of the 3 million Nevadans are either reading bumper stickers, listening to sound bites or don't even know this is a election year yet. 

You political "experts" are mystified as to where the support for Bernie and Trump are coming from, feel free to call people who don't follow politics and who outnumber you 20 to 1 dummies, meanwhile you are going to be swarmed over by a hoard bumper sticker readers because the parties fail to engage them in any meaningful way.

Its funny TF you don't even know you are behind a wall. 

 
mr roboto said:
Look I grew up in a high desert town in northern AZ. I watched the coverage of the Nevada caucus. The types of people from those regions motivated to go to a GOP caucus aren't your suburban big business Republicans. And read any news story on Trump supporters. They're more independent, angry and less educated than other candidates' supporters. 
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The hicks and rednecks love him. 

 
lod01 said:
Trump is winning because the rest of them are the same ole #### that does nothing once they get elected. People are finally waking up to it....at least the smart people. Dumbasses vote to keep the same losers in power.
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Yup. Better put the orange reality show guy in charge. 

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
I suppose the problem is that you only recognize messages that would fit on a bumper sticker.  Without comment, I offer the following candidates' messages on job creation.

Kasich

Rubio

Interestingly, I can find a video, but not a jobs plan on the Trump website, but his US China trade reform section at least obliquely refers to job creation.  The cornerstones of his plan appear to be:

1.  Declaring China a currency manipulator and instituting countervailing duties against their imports

2.  Tougher enforcement of IP rights against the Chinese (I'm not sure how he intends to do this), maybe by amending Section 337.

3.  A reduction in the corporate tax rate (I'd wager good money that every Republican candidates' tax plan has this measure).

When I hear Trump supporters declare that Trump will be a jobs President, I never hear a discussion of his proposals.  I hear them say that he'll do so because he "is a businessman and a skilled negotiator" which is just kind of weird and non-responsive, but whatever.
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  1. Spur Job and Wealth Creation through a 5-Point Tax Plan
“People are smart,” writes Trump. “They know you can’t be ‘for’ jobs and against those who create them.”

That, says Trump, is why America’s president should advocate for and win a five-point tax plan to spark economic growth and allow Americans to keep more of what they earn.

First, Trump says the U.S. must repeal the death tax. He cites a CBO study that found the death tax is a proven jobs killer that “will strip $1.6 trillion of small business capital out of the hands of job creators” and will result in a loss of 1.5 million new jobs.

Second, Trump says smart tax policy includes lowering the tax rate on capital gains and dividends. “Capitalism requires capital,” writes Trump. “When government robs capital from investors, it takes away the money that creates jobs.”

Third, Trump would reduce the corporate tax rate to zero. “How can we expect companies to hire American workers and locate their businesses in America when our government taxes them at exorbitant rates for doing so?” writes Trump. “I want to encourage American companies to stay here and hire American workers, and I want foreign companies to relocate their businesses to the United States and create jobs here.”

Fourth, Trump says he would impose a 20 percent tax on those who outsource jobs overseas. Trump says “for those companies who made the mistake of sending their businesses overseas but have seen the light and are ready to come home and bring jobs with them, they pay zero tax.”

Finally, Trump says its time to implement a fairer and simpler income tax:

  • Up to $30,000, you pay 1 percent
  • From $30,000 to $100,000, you pay 5 percent
  • From $100,000 to $1 million, you pay 10 percent
  • On $1 million or above, your rate is 15 percent
 
Loan Sharks said:
  1. Spur Job and Wealth Creation through a 5-Point Tax Plan
“People are smart,” writes Trump. “They know you can’t be ‘for’ jobs and against those who create them.”

That, says Trump, is why America’s president should advocate for and win a five-point tax plan to spark economic growth and allow Americans to keep more of what they earn.

First, Trump says the U.S. must repeal the death tax. He cites a CBO study that found the death tax is a proven jobs killer that “will strip $1.6 trillion of small business capital out of the hands of job creators” and will result in a loss of 1.5 million new jobs.

Second, Trump says smart tax policy includes lowering the tax rate on capital gains and dividends. “Capitalism requires capital,” writes Trump. “When government robs capital from investors, it takes away the money that creates jobs.”

Third, Trump would reduce the corporate tax rate to zero. “How can we expect companies to hire American workers and locate their businesses in America when our government taxes them at exorbitant rates for doing so?” writes Trump. “I want to encourage American companies to stay here and hire American workers, and I want foreign companies to relocate their businesses to the United States and create jobs here.”

Fourth, Trump says he would impose a 20 percent tax on those who outsource jobs overseas. Trump says “for those companies who made the mistake of sending their businesses overseas but have seen the light and are ready to come home and bring jobs with them, they pay zero tax.”

Finally, Trump says its time to implement a fairer and simpler income tax:

  • Up to $30,000, you pay 1 percent
  • From $30,000 to $100,000, you pay 5 percent
  • From $100,000 to $1 million, you pay 10 percent
  • On $1 million or above, your rate is 15 percent
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What is he cutting to pay for this? 

 
SIDA! said:
:thumbup:  GB!

Um...tough questions to answer. I will be as real as I can be here. No schtick.

I don't really want Trump to be my next president. But, I will enthusiastically vote for him. Several months ago, I expressed the notion that I felt we as a country deserved better. That we could do better. As much as I enjoy the pure entertainment value and the schtick of Trump and all that...I would like to see the Office of the President be a little above some of that. I am not opposed to a little down home populist fire and brimstone, mind you. But even Trump can make me wince at times.

In an ideal world...he would never be on my draftboard.

But, I don't live in an ideal world. I live in the real one. There are really only two choices for me...a bitter, pissed off Republican who wants to see the guts of the party ripped out and the still momentarily "breathing" carcass curb stomped. Trump or Cruz.

And I don't like Cruz. I think he is a smarmy, weasel that fits the profile of many GOPers I have known over the years who thirst for political power for the sake of political power. Positionally, I agree with Cruz probably more than any other candidate. But I can't listening to him. I can't stand the fact that he strikes me as a creeper or a phony. And I don't really think he is a phony on conservative issues...he just strikes me as that calculated Machiavellian type.

Now...I realize that as I type that last paragraph about Cruz that many anti-Trumpers will see parallels between what I said about Cruz and what they see in Trump. I get it. But, here is the stark difference between the two in my eyes.

I don't see Cruz as being nationally viable. I think he will get crushed by the Dems. So...where does that leave me as a GOP rebel seeking a coup d'eta? It leaves me with a guy who will run on many of the positions I hold dear...who will get his ### handed to him because I see him as a fallible candidate...and then I have to deal with the GOP establishment hammering home their rhetoric about how we can't win with conservative candidates or candidates who are tough on immigration, etc. And my ultimate fear is that they will success in using the institutional advantages of the establishment to hammer home that message with GOP voters and then it is all over. The GOP will never ever be that party I thought it was supposed to be when I joined up in my youth.

If Trump get the nomination and loses. It doesn't have the same effect. Trump winning the nomination, in my opinion, destroys that narrative. How do you spin a moderate guy who is the WORST standard bearer for conservatism winning the nomination? I mean...the guy shouldn't be sniffing 5% in the polls if the GOP were healthy in my opinion.

I view a Trump candidacy as the ultimate repudiation of the GOP betrayals. I get to stick the knife right in their chest and hopefully watch them expire.

The second question would take a little more time to flesh out and this is already getting to the tl;dr stage for some of the folks here. So, I am going to focus on a very simplistic example of something that is important to me.

I grew up in some rough areas as a kid. I was a lower class white kid living in urban/minority neighborhoods. And when you grow up in this world you learn that there are certain rules of the street. And most of it centers around respect. You don't need to be the biggest and baddest dude on the block to survive. You just don't need to be weak.
There are consequences for the things you say and do. 

I feel like our country is weak now. And I am not trying to parrot a similar refrain like Trumps "make America great again." 

But, he hits a nerve. I grew up thinking America was the baddest mother####er on the block. And while there were things that we did wrong as we weren't perfect by any stretch of the imagination...we were the baddest mother####ers on the block. If you disrespected us there were consequences. Now we are the weak little ##### who lets others push them around or we are that punk who talks with a big mouth and then #####es out in the moment of truth.

I realize that what I am typing is good fodder for those anti-Trumpers who will want to paint me as the neanderthal, or the militaristic superpatriot that the leftist in academia warned your mom about...or that they will try to simplify and boil down this statment as being the umbrella for my support. This is just one issue for brevity sake.

We used to have some swagger. Some moxie. Now we have become a door mat. And it pisses me off. 

Trump wasn't born in a lower class family like I was. But, he knows the game as well as anyone. He just plays it in a fancy billion dollar stadium whereas I was playing on the weed and litter filled sand lot. 

I think so many lefties are so naive when it comes to the world and their leaders. I think most leaders in other countries play by the same rules that governed how I behaved on the street growing up. 
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I am left of center and detest Trumpn largely because of his bigoted comments. I'd like to have a good open discussion about this and other things about Trump, including some points that you addressed, at a later date when I'm not so busy. I also want to clearly state my positions in a detailed manner before that so you and others know where I stand and why. 

My dad was a union man and I grew up in a working middle class neighborhood but my best friend moved to a racially mixed urban area in southwest Detroit (blacks, whites, and Mexicans). My ex and my current girlfriend both grew up there and I lived there for several years. I know all about the rules of the street you mentioned and about what happens if you are weak. I will have more to say about the strong/weak aspect at a later date. 

I don't agree with some of what you say and I know you won't agree with some of my thoughts. You did make some very good points. Hopefully we can have a good, open, adult discussion about this without insults, labels, and name calling.  I will not paint you with a broad brush. Like i said above, I am very busy and it will be a few days before I can state my opinions about Trump. It will take some time. 

I also want to go on record and state that I do not think you are a bigot or a racist.

As far as your post, I think it is the best post I have ever seen by you.   :thumbup:

 
I grew up in some rough areas as a kid. I was a lower class white kid living in urban/minority neighborhoods. And when you grow up in this world you learn that there are certain rules of the street. And most of it centers around respect. You don't need to be the biggest and baddest dude on the block to survive. You just don't need to be weak.
There are consequences for the things you say and do. 

I feel like our country is weak now. And I am not trying to parrot a similar refrain like Trumps "make America great again." 

But, he hits a nerve. I grew up thinking America was the baddest mother####er on the block. And while there were things that we did wrong as we weren't perfect by any stretch of the imagination...we were the baddest mother####ers on the block. If you disrespected us there were consequences. Now we are the weak little ##### who lets others push them around or we are that punk who talks with a big mouth and then #####es out in the moment of truth.

I realize that what I am typing is good fodder for those anti-Trumpers who will want to paint me as the neanderthal, or the militaristic superpatriot that the leftist in academia warned your mom about...or that they will try to simplify and boil down this statment as being the umbrella for my support. This is just one issue for brevity sake.

We used to have some swagger. Some moxie. Now we have become a door mat. And it pisses me off. 
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It's a very strange thing when the most powerful country that dominates everything in the world has citizens who believe we are weak and getting pushed around. 

 
SIDA! said:
:thumbup:  GB!

Um...tough questions to answer. I will be as real as I can be here. No schtick.

I don't really want Trump to be my next president. But, I will enthusiastically vote for him. Several months ago, I expressed the notion that I felt we as a country deserved better. That we could do better. As much as I enjoy the pure entertainment value and the schtick of Trump and all that...I would like to see the Office of the President be a little above some of that. I am not opposed to a little down home populist fire and brimstone, mind you. But even Trump can make me wince at times.

In an ideal world...he would never be on my draftboard.

But, I don't live in an ideal world. I live in the real one. There are really only two choices for me...a bitter, pissed off Republican who wants to see the guts of the party ripped out and the still momentarily "breathing" carcass curb stomped. Trump or Cruz.

And I don't like Cruz. I think he is a smarmy, weasel that fits the profile of many GOPers I have known over the years who thirst for political power for the sake of political power. Positionally, I agree with Cruz probably more than any other candidate. But I can't listening to him. I can't stand the fact that he strikes me as a creeper or a phony. And I don't really think he is a phony on conservative issues...he just strikes me as that calculated Machiavellian type.

Now...I realize that as I type that last paragraph about Cruz that many anti-Trumpers will see parallels between what I said about Cruz and what they see in Trump. I get it. But, here is the stark difference between the two in my eyes.

I don't see Cruz as being nationally viable. I think he will get crushed by the Dems. So...where does that leave me as a GOP rebel seeking a coup d'eta? It leaves me with a guy who will run on many of the positions I hold dear...who will get his ### handed to him because I see him as a fallible candidate...and then I have to deal with the GOP establishment hammering home their rhetoric about how we can't win with conservative candidates or candidates who are tough on immigration, etc. And my ultimate fear is that they will success in using the institutional advantages of the establishment to hammer home that message with GOP voters and then it is all over. The GOP will never ever be that party I thought it was supposed to be when I joined up in my youth.

If Trump get the nomination and loses. It doesn't have the same effect. Trump winning the nomination, in my opinion, destroys that narrative. How do you spin a moderate guy who is the WORST standard bearer for conservatism winning the nomination? I mean...the guy shouldn't be sniffing 5% in the polls if the GOP were healthy in my opinion.

I view a Trump candidacy as the ultimate repudiation of the GOP betrayals. I get to stick the knife right in their chest and hopefully watch them expire.

The second question would take a little more time to flesh out and this is already getting to the tl;dr stage for some of the folks here. So, I am going to focus on a very simplistic example of something that is important to me.

I grew up in some rough areas as a kid. I was a lower class white kid living in urban/minority neighborhoods. And when you grow up in this world you learn that there are certain rules of the street. And most of it centers around respect. You don't need to be the biggest and baddest dude on the block to survive. You just don't need to be weak.
There are consequences for the things you say and do. 

I feel like our country is weak now. And I am not trying to parrot a similar refrain like Trumps "make America great again." 

But, he hits a nerve. I grew up thinking America was the baddest mother####er on the block. And while there were things that we did wrong as we weren't perfect by any stretch of the imagination...we were the baddest mother####ers on the block. If you disrespected us there were consequences. Now we are the weak little ##### who lets others push them around or we are that punk who talks with a big mouth and then #####es out in the moment of truth.

I realize that what I am typing is good fodder for those anti-Trumpers who will want to paint me as the neanderthal, or the militaristic superpatriot that the leftist in academia warned your mom about...or that they will try to simplify and boil down this statment as being the umbrella for my support. This is just one issue for brevity sake.

We used to have some swagger. Some moxie. Now we have become a door mat. And it pisses me off. 

Trump wasn't born in a lower class family like I was. But, he knows the game as well as anyone. He just plays it in a fancy billion dollar stadium whereas I was playing on the weed and litter filled sand lot. 

I think so many lefties are so naive when it comes to the world and their leaders. I think most leaders in other countries play by the same rules that governed how I behaved on the street growing up. 
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Absolutely awesome post.  I cant stand Tump, but this is a really thoughtful perspective.

 
Wow.  Kasich in the Town Hall tonight was as bad as I've ever seen.  Arguing with Megan Kelly like a child.  Very combative.  Just going on and on....  Reminds me of when my son was a child and he was overtired and needed a timeout.  One of the worst performances I've seen in this entire election cycle. :thumbdown:

 
Higgs said:
Wow.  Kasich in the Town Hall tonight was as bad as I've ever seen.  Arguing with Megan Kelly like a child.  Very combative.  Just going on and on....  Reminds me of when my son was a child and he was overtired and needed a timeout.  One of the worst performances I've seen in this entire election cycle. :thumbdown:
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Damn, now even he's trying to emulate Trump. Sad...

 
This would be a disaster for Rubio if true:

Trump leads big in Florida

The Donald Trump juggernaut rolls into Florida where the GOP front-runner leads native son Sen. Marco Rubio 44 - 28 percent among likely Republican primary voters, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas has 12 percent with Ohio Gov. John Kasich at 7 percent and Dr. Ben Carson at 4 percent.

 
whoknew said:
This would be a disaster for Rubio if true:

Trump leads big in Florida

The Donald Trump juggernaut rolls into Florida where the GOP front-runner leads native son Sen. Marco Rubio 44 - 28 percent among likely Republican primary voters, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas has 12 percent with Ohio Gov. John Kasich at 7 percent and Dr. Ben Carson at 4 percent.
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Rubio's only shot (and it's not much of one) is to win Florida. Otherwise it's over. 

Rubio has to attack Trump tonight. We'll see if he's got the cojones to do it. 

 
This is fascinating.  The only way to even have a prayer of stopping Trump is for either Rubio or Cruz to drop out.....you know the party is putting pressure on them...but Cruz could care less and will never drop out.  So that leaves Rubio to fall on the sword...but the party has to decide who they hate less Trump or Cruz.  

Of course the real entertainment will be the convention if Trump just falls under the magic number - the party will surely try to nominate an insider and thats when all hell will break loose.  No doubt in my mind if that happens Trump runs as an Indep. and Dems waltz in.  

Really intriguing stuff.....

 
Loan Sharks said:
  1. Spur Job and Wealth Creation through a 5-Point Tax Plan
“People are smart,” writes Trump. “They know you can’t be ‘for’ jobs and against those who create them.”

That, says Trump, is why America’s president should advocate for and win a five-point tax plan to spark economic growth and allow Americans to keep more of what they earn.

First, Trump says the U.S. must repeal the death tax. He cites a CBO study that found the death tax is a proven jobs killer that “will strip $1.6 trillion of small business capital out of the hands of job creators” and will result in a loss of 1.5 million new jobs.

Second, Trump says smart tax policy includes lowering the tax rate on capital gains and dividends. “Capitalism requires capital,” writes Trump. “When government robs capital from investors, it takes away the money that creates jobs.”

Third, Trump would reduce the corporate tax rate to zero. “How can we expect companies to hire American workers and locate their businesses in America when our government taxes them at exorbitant rates for doing so?” writes Trump. “I want to encourage American companies to stay here and hire American workers, and I want foreign companies to relocate their businesses to the United States and create jobs here.”

Fourth, Trump says he would impose a 20 percent tax on those who outsource jobs overseas. Trump says “for those companies who made the mistake of sending their businesses overseas but have seen the light and are ready to come home and bring jobs with them, they pay zero tax.”

Finally, Trump says its time to implement a fairer and simpler income tax:

  • Up to $30,000, you pay 1 percent
  • From $30,000 to $100,000, you pay 5 percent
  • From $100,000 to $1 million, you pay 10 percent
  • On $1 million or above, your rate is 15 percent
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This is never ever happening. With the amount of entitlements in this country (and people clamoring for more like a basic income guarantee!!!) it's not happening. But I am with him on corporate tax rates, dividends and capitol gains taxes and the death tax. 

It's ridiculous. Many of us work our ### off to build wealth. That is the essence of America and capitalism. You either get out there and stake your claim or learn to abuse the system. And too many are are learning to abuse the social systems we have in place for those who truly need it vs lazy dumb ### free loading scam artists.

Minimum wage needs to go to 20 bucks an hour though. 40K is not a lot of money in today's world and that what $20 an hour represents before tax. I am very fearful of automation destroying working class jobs. It's happening more and more and more as we move forward. We need to get a grip of technology replacing people or we are going down a really dangerous path.

Also.....break up the mega banks. Separate these massive too big to fail monstrosities into regional and local banks to create competition and true small business lending to energize the middle class American business owners (and potential business owners) and spur more job growth via small business. These retail banks like BoFA and Chase etc are garbage. Other than convenience they don't want to lend and take risk at all. The days of banks on a local level in major cities are long gone and need to be restored.

But that won't happen either because everyone in Washington is bought and paid for. One President won't change the Congress and Senate. 

Also Term limits across the board (except for the Supreme Court) Congressman and woman. You have 8 years.....then back to freaking work like the rest of us.

It's so rigged. Sanders socialism is not the answer...it will just make it worse. We need to get back to what America was built on. 

WORK ETHIC.

We are losing that more and more with every generation. It's disgusting. Entitlement generations are being born rapidly. That is the crutch of the problem. Hands out instead of working for what you want.

 
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Cruz and Rubio are killing each other while Trump sits back and laughs. Chris Christie suicide-bombed Rubio but he should have used the grenade on Donald.

 
whoknew said:
This would be a disaster for Rubio if true:

Trump leads big in Florida

The Donald Trump juggernaut rolls into Florida where the GOP front-runner leads native son Sen. Marco Rubio 44 - 28 percent among likely Republican primary voters, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas has 12 percent with Ohio Gov. John Kasich at 7 percent and Dr. Ben Carson at 4 percent.
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I live in Broward County in an affluent part of town. 8 out of 10 people I come into contact with and talk about the election are all pro Trump. 90% of my clients are pro Trump. People are sick and tired of partisan politics and all the lies and BS. 

He has the tri-county (Dade, Broward and Palm Beach) Republicans locked up down here in South Florida.

 
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i can see Trump appealing to the yahoos in north Florida too.

here's the thing: Nikki Haley's last minute endorsement only boosted Rubio enough to tie with Cruz in SC. he's not going to get that with the Super Tuesday states. 

 
@Anthony Borbely @cobalt_27

Hey Guys... I was on a time out yesterday so I could only like your posts. Just wanted to say that I appreciated the kind words, meant a lot to me, and looking forward to future conversations about the subject matter.  :thumbup:

 
Todem said:
90% of my clients are pro Trump. People are sick and tired of partisan politics and all the lies and BS. 
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This is the part I'll never get.  All he is is lies and BS.  He's maybe the worlds greatest BS artist.   But I guess that's what makes a great Con Man.  They make it sound believable. 

 
i don't see how Rubio is angling for V-P. he can't wait 4-8 years, mostly irrelevant, and promoting a Trump agenda. it would be a stunning denial of this current candidate Rubio.

 
Jeremy said:
This is the part I'll never get.  All he is is lies and BS.  He's maybe the worlds greatest BS artist.   But I guess that's what makes a great Con Man.  They make it sound believable. 
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Have you ever thought that it might be possible that a significant amount of his support comes from people who think he is full of #### but support him anyway since he is the only guy in the room talking about the issues they really care about in a way that they want the issues to be talked about. And that they are tired of these issues being ignored?

Perhaps, many of his supporters are using him to send a message and there is an implicit understanding that both he and the voters who support him are getting something out of the arrangement?

 
bolzano said:
Apparently, Rubio's strategy is to continue attacking Cruz. I think what folks are forgetting is that Rubio is vacating his Senate seat, and he doesn't have much of a career outside of politics. Indeed, it will be back to being an adjunct professor at Gulf Coast Community College or whatever. Hence he's likely making a play at the Trump veep-stakes, too.

Instead, Rubio’s team has decided his best bet is to focus fire on Cruz. They think the Texas senator’s voters are less locked in and could swing Rubio’s way should Cruz fade. The only way to dislodge Trump, Rubio’s advisers say, is to turn it into a two-man race — meaning that they first need to get Cruz out of the way.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/cruz-rubio-prep-for-brutal-debate-night-219760#ixzz41ClUdAAX
 
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Oh come on. He's going to have plenty of opportunities if he doesn't win the nomination. He will be a very wealthy man.

 
SIDA! said:
Have you ever thought that it might be possible that a significant amount of his support comes from people who think he is full of #### but support him anyway since he is the only guy in the room talking about the issues they really care about in a way that they want the issues to be talked about. And that they are tired of these issues being ignored?

Perhaps, many of his supporters are using him to send a message and there is an implicit understanding that both he and the voters who support him are getting something out of the arrangement?
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His supporters are using him as much as he is manipulating voters. If you look at things Trump has done and a lot of it is on video, that's what makes him what he is. I can't stand most of the rest of the GOP field, and since Trump is hated by 50% w/in the GOP he makes a perfect #### You vote and middle finger to all those idiots in Congress. 

 
bolzano said:
Rubio is going to be even more irrelevant if he's stuck in the private sector for the next 4-8 years. Moreover, the problem that a lot of conservatives have with Rubio is that he's notably ambitious, opportunistic, etc., and hence they are uncertain if he's truly convicted to the conservative cause. Hence it wouldn't surprise anyone in the base if he turned his back on us (e.g., Gang of Eight).
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Rubio is a poster boy along with Cruz for sleaze ball career politicians. Both are so phony it oozes through the cathode rays everytime they get in front of a camera and speak.

Can't stand it.

The one thing I will give Bernie is he is the genuine article (and will fall for it IMO as this moves forward).  And The Donald although an ### hole to the highest degree and not whom I would want as a representative of the Western world tell's it like he sees it. The more conservative side of the country (and I am a moderate Republican for the record) is just fed up with the GOP party.

It's pretty obvious. It's splintered and broken.

This election is a pure #### show. And again....whomever wins, one term president IMO. We have to do better than this in 4 years. We just have to.

 
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Todem said:
I live in Broward County in an affluent part of town. 8 out of 10 people I come into contact with and talk about the election are all pro Trump. 90% of my clients are pro Trump. People are sick and tired of partisan politics and all the lies and BS. 

He has the tri-county (Dade, Broward and Palm Beach) Republicans locked up down here in South Florida.
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Born in Dade and lived there the last 8 years until a recent move to Palm Beach(loving it) and I agree with Todem. South Florida is Trump bananas. If you lived here you would understand. The guy's name is all over the place, he has multiple developments all over the place here, most are very classy. 

I'm ready to start talking about Trump vs DNC, I think he has a good chance to carry FL and OH both crucial states for the GOP to take the White House. 

My shocker is I think California is actually up for grabs if it is Trump vs Clinton, that just my opinion but I bet you will see some California stories run that it might not lean left this time. The state went nuts for The Terminator, they like celebrities. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Born in Dade and lived there the last 8 years until a recent move to Palm Beach(loving it) and I agree with Todem. South Florida is Trump bananas. If you lived here you would understand. The guy's name is all over the place, he has multiple developments all over the place here, most are very classy. 

I'm ready to start talking about Trump vs DNC, I think he has a good chance to carry FL and OH both crucial states for the GOP to take the White House. 

My shocker is I think California is actually up for grabs if it is Trump vs Clinton, that just my opinion but I bet you will see some California stories run that it might not lean left this time. The state went nuts for The Terminator, they like celebrities. 
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It's looking more and more like Donald Trump will be the next President.

Did I just say that?

 
Todem said:
It's looking more and more like Donald Trump will be the next President.

Did I just say that?
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When 2 staunch Democrats are handing me the Trump book to read and digest, you know something is up. Florida is as crucial to the GOP as Califormia is to the DNC. It would be nice if the DNC had to allocate more resources than normal to retain California. If for any reason Trump makes a dent there or can loosen that state up or put it into play...that will be a tough task for the DNC if they have to fight for California. 

Trump appeals to both sides everywhere but the FFA. 

 
Todem said:
Rubio is a poster boy along with Cruz for sleaze ball career politicians. Both are so phony it oozes through the cathode rays everytime they get in front of a camera and speak.

Can't stand it.

The one thing I will give Bernie is he is the genuine article (and will fall for it IMO as this moves forward).  And The Donald although an ### hole to the highest degree and not whom I would want as a representative of the Western world tell's it like he sees it. The more conservative side of the country (and I am a moderate Republican for the record) is just fed up with the GOP party.

It's pretty obvious. It's splintered and broken.

This election is a pure #### show. And again....whomever wins, one term president IMO. We have to do better than this in 4 years. We just have to.
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I don't believe Trump will even entertain Rubio, he's a loser. I could see Trump taking Cruz and locking up the religious nuts if he thinks he needs them. I also believe Trump will surprise some folks and take someone others are not talking about right now. Trump brings enough "it" factor. Rubio as VP would be along the lines of Dan Quayle IMHO, he's that dumb or naive right now. Rubio has been in politics since he was 25, he hasn't really worked his way up the way say you and I did in the financial world, he cannot relate to most regular folks. Trump actually can or does a darn good job fibbin thru it. 

They were whispering today about Rick Scott getting a strong look at. His track record the last 8 years in Florida despite my disdain for his social programs, he has been a good fiscal conservative. He has created a lot of jobs. He rebuilt and expanded the Port of Miami, it's like major major now. Scott is up everyday running at 5 AM, eating protein and sawdust smoothies, I just don't enjoy his company much. Scott is a hard ###, you live here you know what he's like. Do you care for him? I don't like him but I respect the work he has done in getting folks working, still a lot needs to be done down here. 

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
For lack of a better word, the FFA tends to be pretty elitist about a lot of things.  And I think Trump has very little support among elitists of either party.  
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I firmly felt like an Independent when this whole thing started last summer. I also was mentally prepared to vote for Clinton out of respect for my wife as dumb as that may sound. I wanted to see the first woman in office but I have received a ton of flack for that ideology and not from men but rather from women.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I don't believe Trump will even entertain Rubio, he's a loser. I could see Trump taking Cruz and locking up the religious nuts if he thinks he needs them. I also believe Trump will surprise some folks and take someone others are not talking about right now. Trump brings enough "it" factor. Rubio as VP would be along the lines of Dan Quayle IMHO, he's that dumb or naive right now. Rubio has been in politics since he was 25, he hasn't really worked his way up the way say you and I did in the financial world, he cannot relate to most regular folks. Trump actually can or does a darn good job fibbin thru it. 

They were whispering today about Rick Scott getting a strong look at. His track record the last 8 years in Florida despite my disdain for his social programs, he has been a good fiscal conservative. He has created a lot of jobs. He rebuilt and expanded the Port of Miami, it's like major major now. Scott is up everyday running at 5 AM, eating protein and sawdust smoothies, I just don't enjoy his company much. Scott is a hard ###, you live here you know what he's like. Do you care for him? I don't like him but I respect the work he has done in getting folks working, still a lot needs to be done down here. 
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I really have no idea who he will pick. But I think Cruz and Rubio are not right. Kasich? Perfect, soft spoken ego in check who has governed a state.

Screw these fraud senators. Both are slime balls. Trump needs to surround himself with legit people. I think Kasich can be a start as the VP 

 
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Am I the only one who believe the terms "crazy lib" or "libtard" loses its potency when slung by Trump supporters? Based on their own words and actions, I don't think you'd be able to discern between the "liberal" and "conservative" if the race came down to Hillary vs. Trump. When a Trump supporter leads off with "You crazy libs" I'm always  :confused: , your own party quite literally think you're all a bunch of crazy liberals.

 
With all of Trumps momentum and seemingly having things locked up soon, I would think it would take a major blunder to lose it.  That blunder could very well happen at tonight's debate.  How much would it hurt him to avoid the risk by not showing up again?

 
Blick said:
With all of Trumps momentum and seemingly having things locked up soon, I would think it would take a major blunder to lose it.  That blunder could very well happen at tonight's debate.  How much would it hurt him to avoid the risk by not showing up again?
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I think it'd be a huge mistake to not show up. It doesn't matter what he says at the debate - all of his supporters will think he won and his numbers will increase. 

He's impervious to a major blunder because nobody seems to give a #### what he says.

 
Blick said:
With all of Trumps momentum and seemingly having things locked up soon, I would think it would take a major blunder to lose it.  That blunder could very well happen at tonight's debate.  How much would it hurt him to avoid the risk by not showing up again?
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Seriously?  Why would anyone who supports him or will support him care?

They don't care when he says stupid things...they don't seem to care what he does.

 
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