Kane looked pretty terrible. said he was playing with dislocated shoulder and MCL injury.
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Doctor Detroit
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Peg getting to final would have very good TV ratings since all the Canucks would finally have a team to root for.
Bill Brasky
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Dickie Dunn
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I posed that question earlier in the playoffs right after McAvoy came back and his knee clearly still wasn’t right. At what X percent of health is having a “better” player in the lineup more of a liability than one of your Black Aces?
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that's what I always assumed the return would be anyway, but there were reports I read that said they'd love to re-sign him and don't care about giving up the 1st to do so. I'm sure he'd like to wind up back in Vancouver but who knows what they are going to do. I'm also guessing he wants to play on a good team for a change, so may not just go to the highest bidder.2nd round pick says
who gives a #### though. we got Dahlin!
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Bill Brasky
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I think it depends on the player and the team depth. obviously Kane has a good shot but so much of his game is creating that shot which he clearly had issues with. with the Bs it's the one spot they don't have a lot of depth, particularly with Krug going down. probably all moot anyway since pretty much every coach is going to defer to the guy if he says he can go.
Bill Brasky
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oh look, Kaprizov is going to score a bunch more goals and probably lead the tourney at worlds. maybe he can sign to stay in Russia even longer.
rockaction
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Yeah, I was gonna say that McAvoy still looked better compared to the other defensemen for the Bruins, but that's just an observation and not heavy analysis. Still played top pair.
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No doubt he was better as the playoffs went on, but he looked shaky/rusty when he first came back. I was at Game 5 vs. Toronto and he looked either tentative because of the knee or uncomfortable because of the brace. Obviously mistakes get magnified so much more at this time of year.
I don't think Riley Nash ever looked right after he came back.
I just thought it was an interesting topic for debate. We're so used to guys playing with limbs falling off and guts spilling out, like the Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail, because they're hockey players and it's the playoffs. But when do you reach the point of actually hurting your team more by being out there?
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Vesey, Hayes, and Miller were all set to be RFAs together and it always seemed to be the plan that one of those guys would have been moved. I always liked Miller the most and thought it would/should have been Hayes that was moved but I expected the eventual decision would come back to value in vs value out in any deal, as opposed to saying this guy is the one we're shipping.Capella said:I’m rooting for that too
but for real, why the hell did they give up Miller? He’s so young.
Considering the package you guys ultimately sent seemed way more appropriate for just McD, that's where I've had a problem with it. I'd be shocked to learn that splitting those two up in deals wouldn't have yielded more from two teams. But Gorton seems to be a big believer in the guys that came back in the deal, even if some across the league aren't and that's fine, but he left himself absolutely no margin for error. Those guys have to get to like 90% of their ceiling to justify it, and that includes Vladimir Na-me, na-ma, na-gonna end up being much here anyway most likely.
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Vladdy is going to be a RFA though and he’s gonna get paid. That’s particularly what I don’t understand. And miller is a much better player imo.
The Bolts prospects guys I follow liked Howden a lot, but felt like there were 2-3 better forward prospects in the system. Vladdy is fine and the d-man seems like a middle 6 guy at best. I dunno, still seems weird to me.
pats3in4
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Sharks played 2 inspired periods these last 2 games: 3rd period game 5, 1st period of game 6. Knights too good to play only a 3rd of the game against. Burns and Kane were so much better vs. Anaheim. Hertl was great down low. Needed more of that from others.
I didn't follow the expansion draft, so how did James Neal end up on Vegas? Bad year last year? Guy was a playoff beast in 2016.
Nashville had to protect their 4 dmen so that only left 4 forward spots to hold onto. Neal had 1 year left on his deal before becoming a UFA. No surprise they went with Johansen, Arvidsson, Forsberg as their top 3 and they kept Jarnkrok for the last spot because he's signed until 2022 at a very team-friendly $2MM cap hit.
Zegras11
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and almost every team had a unique situation like this and wound up giving up a decent player. Wild gave them two players.
Neal was drafted and expected to be traded at the deadline for future picks when the team was formed. And then the team meshed very quickly to start the season. Bonded in a huge way due to the tragedy. Just the perfect storm for starting a team. They are fun to watch because they roll 4 lines that are just relentless on the puck. Make a mistake. It's in the net. It was really amazing to see them score 3-4 goals in like 5-6 minute periods about two dozen times this year.
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Bill Brasky
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the crazy part is McPhee wasn't even taking the best player available on most of the picks.
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You think they tighten up the expansion draft rules for Seattle? Make it a smaller pool to choose from? I can’t imagine some of the incompetent teams like this too much.
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Bill Brasky
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Vegas' success encourages expansion. expansion makes the league money. owners like money.
I think these expansion rules will continue.
I think these expansion rules will continue.
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Yeah, I can't seeing them change the rules for the worse for Seattle.
Vegas paid $500 million.
Seattle is paying $650 million. They have to get the same rules imo. Pretty sure they won't be nearly as successful though as teams will (a) learn from prior mistakes, and (b) this is basically a complete fluke imo anyway.
Capella
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Doctor Detroit
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Vegas just played the rules perfectly is all, plus they got a bunch of future picks.
Pens are gonna score 10 goals tonight, Holtby pulled after 1.
Pens are gonna score 10 goals tonight, Holtby pulled after 1.
Dickie Dunn
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They were talking about this on NHL Network on Sirius XM earlier today. Exactly, the big difference is how the other NHL teams learn from their protection processes (i.e. Florida not protecting Marchessault in exchange for cap relief from Reilly Smith). Minnesota gave up both Tuch and Haula. They think teams are going to be much more hesitant about those kinds of pre-arranged deals with Seattle.
Vegas also is the first expansion team in the cap era, and the only expansion team to come in solo (others in the past like Nashville and AtlantaPeg came in alone, but as part of a wave of expansion over several seasons).
The Knights also had, by far, the most beneficial protection rules. In the Nashville-Atlanta-Columbus-Minnesota draft, teams could protect 10 skaters and two goalies (or 15 + 1), which is the closest to last year's 7-3-1 or 4-4-1 formats. In past drafts, 14-15 skaters each was the norm.
Someone probably linked this here last year, but McIndoe had a great piece last year about the history of expansion drafts. Make sure you've had a couple of cocktails before you start trying to wrap your head around the NHL-WHA merger.
Vegas also is the first expansion team in the cap era, and the only expansion team to come in solo (others in the past like Nashville and AtlantaPeg came in alone, but as part of a wave of expansion over several seasons).
The Knights also had, by far, the most beneficial protection rules. In the Nashville-Atlanta-Columbus-Minnesota draft, teams could protect 10 skaters and two goalies (or 15 + 1), which is the closest to last year's 7-3-1 or 4-4-1 formats. In past drafts, 14-15 skaters each was the norm.
Someone probably linked this here last year, but McIndoe had a great piece last year about the history of expansion drafts. Make sure you've had a couple of cocktails before you start trying to wrap your head around the NHL-WHA merger.
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I’m not sure how you learn from not being able to protect everyone. if you’re a good/deep team or are saddled with no movement clauses you’re going to lose something of value. sure there were some bonehead moves but you have to take into account the reason those moves were made at the time and now having the benefit of hindsight. I don’t think anyone liked what Florida did but I doubt few also could have predicted Reilly Smith becoming a useful player again and that was an awful contract they were looking at. and the smartest GM in the league, even though he has no cups and is therefore horrible at his job, also let Marchessault walk the year before. I also didn’t like what the Wild did at the time but were otherwise going to lose Dumba which in hindsight is still a fine tradeoff (40 goal Staal was left unprotected by the way).
Dickie Dunn
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They brought up the Dumba example as well ... basically saying teams might be more willing to leave one better player unprotected rather than give up two.
No question, Vegas hit several big home runs with some of the picks. No one could have predicted how it all came together so fast. But they weren't exactly in the same situation as the Capitals when they came in.
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oh I see, and I agree. never made sense to me to trade Scandella to salary dump instead of exposing both and just lose one. Chuck really screwed that up.
Reilly Smith was never really that bad I guess, just a really long deal. and he’s still young. just Talon being dumb. I also didn’t think Marchessault was this good though.
Dickie Dunn
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So many examples. Karlsson had 15 career goals entering this season. No way CBJ could have projected he would go on to score 43.
Capella
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Technically Y offered Marchessault a contract but Florida beat it and offered more playing time.
Thomas The Skank Engine
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It's really annoying to have to watch a game with the remote always in hand so that I can quickly mute it whenever those hillbillies blow their effing horn.
Nigel
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whats the seattle team gonna be called?
kupcho1
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Caps better win this game, otherwise they will get inside their own heads and lose game 7 at home. You can almost set your watch to it.
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I was wondering if any non-Caps fan felt differently. Cause we know the Caps fans don't.
Bill Brasky
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did they ever say what Krug’s injury was? looked like it could be bad.
Doctor Detroit
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Pens have really played a conservative game. Do they know that if they lose they are out? Or do they just assume they beat Caps in an elimination game?
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