*Official 2018 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles* - Tough way to go out. Magic finally gone. (1 Viewer)

[Tejas]

If I were Foles, I’d want to stay in Philadelphia for multiple reasons, none being that I won them their first super bowl championship. I’d stay in Philly, knowing that Wentz has never proven on any level to be durable, and that I’d be running the same exact offense I flourish in. 

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Wow. What's your problem?

As far as I can tell, this debate is going rather smoothly.

Like I said before, I'll continue to post about things I'm interested in. You guys certainly have the option of not discussing it if you want.

Either way is ok with me. 

from a quick count you've made four posts in the past hour stating essentially the same thing, you think it's a good offer and are surprised howie didnt jump on it.   i see this as a similar pattern to the goedert thread

 

[GoBirds]

from a quick count you've made four posts in the past hour stating essentially the same thing, you think it's a good offer and are surprised howie didnt jump on it.   i see this as a similar pattern to the goedert thread

One of the worst football minds on this board. Whatever he says, bet it all on the opposite. 

 

[Football Jones]

from a quick count you've made four posts in the past hour stating essentially the same thing, you think it's a good offer and are surprised howie didnt jump on it.   i see this as a similar pattern to the goedert thread

And how many times has the other side repeated themselves?

Debates go back & forth. You try to give your opinion without duplicating exactly what you said before, but with multiple posters coming at me with essentially the same narrative, it’s inevitable there’ll be some similar posts.

In one of my last posts, I made the effort to mention dynamics I hadn’t discussed yet (Wentz looking good to go & Foles being a FA in 2019).

You, in particular, seem to be one of those guys who talks really tough, but can’t back it up. You’re also wasting space posting nonsense. The debate was going fine & was rather interesting.

You really need to take a long look at yourself.

 

[Football Jones]

One of the worst football minds on this board. Whatever he says, bet it all on the opposite. 

If you had done that over the years, you would’ve come out on the losing end by a big, big margin.

That said, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

And how many times has the other side repeated themselves?

Debates go back & forth. You try to give your opinion without duplicating exactly what you said before, but with multiple posters coming at me with essentially the same narrative, it’s inevitable there’ll be some similar posts.

In one of my last posts, I made the effort to mention dynamics I hadn’t discussed yet (Wentz looking good to go & Foles being a FA in 2019).

You, in particular, seem to be one of those guys who talks really tough, but can’t back it up. You’re also wasting space posting nonsense. The debate was going fine & was rather interesting.

You really need to take a long look at yourself.

i'm not acting tough at all, would just prefer for this thread to not be mucked up by the same person, making the same post over and over

you are right in that i'm guilty of it as well right now.  i will stop.  will you?

 

[Football Jones]

i'm not acting tough at all, would just prefer for this thread to not be mucked up by the same person, making the same post over and over

you are right in that i'm guilty of it as well right now.  i will stop.  will you?

Again, I thought the debate was going fine. The individuals involved seemed to be ok with it.

If what I did here doesn’t fly, you guys may as well close your thread & talk amongst yourselves. 

 

[Deamon]

Again, I thought the debate was going fine. The individuals involved seemed to be ok with it.

If what I did here doesn’t fly, you guys may as well close your thread & talk amongst yourselves. 

7 posts saying he's surprised howie didn't take the deal.

Then 7 more to say how the debate was going smoothly.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I think Foles knows  that his chances of success with Doug Pederson and the Eagles Supporting cast is greater than his chance of success with Hue Jackson and the Browns supporting cast. One is proven, the other is lots of "potential" with a coach who is 1-31 in the last 2 years.

As to the bolded, I remind you that Foles has the 3rd highest passer rating for a passer in a season, has a QB rating of over 100.0 in all 4 of his playoff games, and was Super Bowl MVP. He either has talent, or he is the most clutch athlete ever at getting the most out of his limited skills.

It does seem like Foles is a guy who really needs a certain support system and level of comfort to succeed.  Maybe he really knows that about himself and feels like Cleveland situation just would not have been good for him.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Even if he doesn’t touch the field next year because Wentz is back, he just won a Super Bowl and Super Bowl mvp for that team, his value will be high and staying in the place that keeps teams aware of that is going to get him paid

There is certainly some chance that he has to play several games and doesn't end up doing as well, which could really hurt his value.  Though doubtful that that chance is any higher than it would be in Cleveland.

 

[Deamon]

It does seem like Foles is a guy who really needs a certain support system and level of comfort to succeed.  Maybe he really knows that about himself and feels like Cleveland situation just would not have been good for him.

Ya I think this.  Knowing his limitations though is a strength, not a weakness.  I think he knows some stars aligned and he played his best football these playoffs.  Good job of him recognizing it where others may just chase the money and glamour only to fail.  Let him be happy and enjoy being a hero in the town he lives for another year.

 

[DJackson10]

Guess I'm just surprised he didn't want a starting gig. Trying to play devil's advocate, the negative side could be that he doesn't think he's ready to start outside this system with less weapons.  And that Howie might have taken pick 35 for him if he agreed (I'll never believe he's worth 2 1sts no matter what people say)

The positives and more likely scenario is that he's smart to know what kind of situation he'll thrive in, and thinks he will get that next offseason. Or better yet for both of us, that a contender loses their qb in the first 8 weeks, Carson is healthy and killing it, and we're able to get something more than pick 35 for him. This is the dream scenario for Nick and the Eagles I'd think. 

Playing QB for the Browns to go to terms in my job field is like someone working at Whole Foods and becoming a manager at Walmart. No one wants that kind of drama. QBs go to die in Cleveland. Nick obviously wants to be happy too as well as start. That's not gonna happen in Cleveland. It was nice for the Eagles to consult Nick there on his move. If rumors are believed BB traded Jimmy G to SF because he trusted Shanahan with Jimmy G and his career overall. It's the least the Eagles can do for their QB who won them their first SB in Franchise history. 

 

[DJackson10]

Eagles' White House visit has been set for June 5.

Below is Wentz's take on attendance. I respect that, even though he supports going, he still is qualifying he wouldn't go without team support. I do think that this case is a little different than for other sports because the president called some of their peers sons of #####es. Nonetheless, I respect people's individual opinions and choices regarding attendance.

"“For me, personally, if the team decides as a whole, most guys want to go or be a part of it, I’ll be attending with them,” Wentz said. “I think it’s just a cool way to receive the honor nationally and be recognized. I don’t personally view it – I know some people do; everyone has their opinion on it – I don’t view it as a political thing whatsoever. I don’t mess with politics very often. But I will be involved in going. The rest of the details will be coming out soon.”

Also I totally forgot about this aspect till today but Trump's whole not patriotism protesting the anthem was never about that. This was Trump trying to stick it to the NFL because Rozell who was commissioner of the NFL in the 80s didn't allow trump ownership in the NFL and said he would never get a team over his dead body and his family was involved in the league. Trump also turned down buying the Patriots in the late 80s do to their debt. Some guy Robert Kraft bought the team and the Franchise is one of the top 15 franchises in World Sports value now. He also blames the NFL for the USFL going bankrupt despite him being the main reason the league went under. The NFL back in 2014 or so didn't accept his low ball bid on the Bills and he went ballistic on where else but twitter how he hoped NFL continued to lose ratings. This was nothing more then a vedette against the league. He used his supports hatred and fear and things that matter most to them to make this huge deal out of it. It was nothing more then a child throwing a temper tantrum because he didn't get his way and took his ball and went home. 

 

[DJackson10]

Hoped more like.  Good player, but not worth his salary.  31 other teams obviously thought so as well.

plus he's more of a 3-4 OLB then a 4-3 LB. 

 

[JetMaxx]

Wow. What's your problem? Get a grip.

As far as I can tell, this debate is going rather smoothly.

Like I said before, I'll continue to post about things I'm interested in. You guys certainly have the option of not discussing it if you want.

Either way is ok with me. 

Without any further stipulations, would you trade Garrett and Dak for Pederson and Foles?

 

[DJackson10]

Without any further stipulations, would you trade Garrett and Dak for Pederson and Foles?

If I'm a cowboys fan given my Eagles fandom it's a hard Yes given I'd have to admit two guys are better off there then my two guys. I know you asked FJ but to me this is an easy answer. 

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Without any further stipulations, would you trade Garrett and Dak for Pederson and Foles?

um Foles>Dak and Garret shouldn't even be in the league

 

[babydemon90]

plus he's more of a 3-4 OLB then a 4-3 LB. 

Kendricks?  I don't think he's a 3-4 OLB at all.  He probably could be a 34 inside backer, he's a bit small for 34 OLB though

 

[DJackson10]

Kendricks?  I don't think he's a 3-4 OLB at all.  He probably could be a 34 inside backer, he's a bit small for 34 OLB though

He's your typical sideline to Sideline Blitzer in a 3-4. Maybe not an OLB but definitely a ILB in a 3-4. He's small but quick. 

 

[Football Jones]

Without any further stipulations, would you trade Garrett and Dak for Pederson and Foles?

Is this a trap? LOL.

No GM would prefer Foles over Dak longterm. It's not even close.

As far as the coaches, Garrett is a year removed from COY. 

I love the Pederson is a guru narrative. I think you're going to find out he's no Belichick in the coming seasons (if that was even a thought).

Given our history, it might be best to say the above is only my opinion & not meant to trigger Philly fans.

If it's a genuinely honest question, I gave you an honest answer.

 

[Football Jones]

My bad. I technically never answered the question, but Dak/Garrett >>> Foles/Pederson.

You can always hire a HC. This is easy, guys.

 

[fred_1_15301]

 

 

[Deamon]

My bad. I technically never answered the question, but Dak/Garrett >>> Foles/Pederson.

You can always hire a HC. This is easy, guys.

haha man, to admit you were wrong about anything would be a miracle.  Rico could get cut and you'll still go off about how he has so much more potential than Dallas has. 

I'll give Dak>Foles by a small margin.  But Doug>Garrett by a large margin.

 

[mquinnjr]

haha man, to admit you were wrong about anything would be a miracle.  Rico could get cut and you'll still go off about how he has so much more potential than Dallas has. 

I'll give Dak>Foles by a small margin.  But Doug>Garrett by a large margin.

As has been said so many times before to the Eagles fanbase, "Call us when Jason wins a SB."

 

[need2know]

haha man, to admit you were wrong about anything would be a miracle.  Rico could get cut and you'll still go off about how he has so much more potential than Dallas has. 

I'll give Dak>Foles by a small margin.  But Doug>Garrett by a large margin.

that guy would let jerry jones crap in his face

 

[Long Ball Larry]

My bad. I technically never answered the question, but Dak/Garrett >>> Foles/Pederson.

You can always hire a HC. This is easy, guys.

there's always money in the banana stand.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

um Foles>Dak 

 

[mquinnjr]

*when Sean Lee is healthy.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

two weeks ago brian baldinger posted a video of Foles 9 best throws from the super bowl on twitter and he asked the question, can your qb make these 9 throws?

i heard him talking about it and he was making the point that if you ranked qb's in the nfl overall, foles would probably be somewhere in the mid to late teens.  but if you go down that same list and ask can this qb make these nine throws, all of the sudden the list starts to shrink.

if you are picking a qb to start your franchise, Dak is the easy choice.   if you ask me if Dak can make these 9 throws, i have my doubts

https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/995009087665594370

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

It does seem like Foles is a guy who really needs a certain support system and level of comfort to succeed.  Maybe he really knows that about himself and feels like Cleveland situation just would not have been good for him.

Foles is smart to stay in Philly. He said he was close to retirement after how things went with the Rams. Wentz is coming of of major knee surgery on 2/3 ligaments and might need more time to get back to himself. For all we know Foles may end up playing the entire year and let Wentz recover and learn for the following season. 

The smartest play of all would be for Foles to get traded to Cleveland, practice and play so poorly to get released and then resign with Philly.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

You Philly guys talk about Dallas all day, every single day. You just can't help yourselves. 

 

[Amused to Death]

You Philly guys talk about Dallas all day, every single day. You just can't help yourselves. 

There are some posters from both fan bases I wish would tone it down.  But we're all football fans and besides, Eagles fans have taken crap for decades.  Camps are opening up and fantasy drafts will gearing up soon enough so the talk should shift.

Oh, and the Eagles won the SUPERBOWL!!!!    

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Oh, and the Eagles won the SUPERBOWL!!!!    

So last year. 

 

[dhockster]

You Philly guys talk about Dallas all day, every single day. You just can't help yourselves. 

Ironically, this is said by the Dallas guy in the Philly thread. It's like you just can't help yourself 

 

[dhockster]

I think Foles decision to stay in Philly makes total sense if you just look at the Head Coaches. "Nick, do you want to go to Cleveland where you will probably start at QB for Hue Jackson who has won 1 game over the last two years, or do you want to stay in Philly where you may not start, but if you do start, you will be playing for Doug Pederson who led an injury riddled team to a 16-3 record and helped you be Super Bowl MVP?"

I think if Nick does not start at all in Philly this year, he still has a good chance to sign somewhere as a starter next year. If he starts for Philly this year I think his chance of playing well as a starter is much greater than it would be in Cleveland.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I think Foles decision to stay in Philly makes total sense if you just look at the Head Coaches. "Nick, do you want to go to Cleveland where you will probably start at QB for Hue Jackson who has won 1 game over the last two years, or do you want to stay in Philly where you may not start, but if you do start, you will be playing for Doug Pederson who led an injury riddled team to a 16-3 record and helped you be Super Bowl MVP?"

I think if Nick does not start at all in Philly this year, he still has a good chance to sign somewhere as a starter next year. If he starts for Philly this year I think his chance of playing well as a starter is much greater than it would be in Cleveland.

If he chose to be a backup instead of a starter he'd be the first QB I ever heard of that did that.

And,  the Browns have better wrs than Philly

 

[Skeletore Eh]

If he chose to be a backup instead of a starter he'd be the first QB I ever heard of that did that.

And,  the Browns have better wrs than Philly

I’m curious if that decision will come back to haunt him next year.  I think nfl gms/front offices are gonna want to know why when given the opportunity he didn’t take the opportunity to start?   I would imagine some will question his dedication to the game since he was considering retirement last year 

 

[Mystery Achiever]

There are plenty of instances of rookies starting week 1 or fairly early in the season who were "supposed to" be sitting and learning.Ask Matt Flynn or Mike Glennon.  I don't think you can say Foles necessarily gave up a chance to start, And he's been around the league enough to realize how important the situation he's in is to his success.

 

[Amused to Death]

I’m curious if that decision will come back to haunt him next year.  I think nfl gms/front offices are gonna want to know why when given the opportunity he didn’t take the opportunity to start?   I would imagine some will question his dedication to the game since he was considering retirement last year 

However he went from considering retirement to SB MVP.  You don't do that unless you're fully invested.  Also, I wouldn't be shocked if he re-upped with the Eagles on a moderate contract to remain the backup.  I know its unusual in today's NFL, but he seems to be wired differently.

 

[jasvic]

So last year. 

My calendar says different.  Super Bowl 52: February 4, 2018. 

 

[Football Jones]

I asked earlier if Foles preferred to be a backup. The Browns were a fantastic opportunity & it’s extremely odd he would pass on it. Maybe Foles is wired differently. 

While I understand the personal side of it, this is a business, & like I said earlier, I’m surpised Howie passed on the deal, with or without Foles’ consent.

You can’t keep everyone together. I’m not sure giving Foles autonomy on trades because he’s a QB is smart. There are other guys who’ve been their longer & who played a significant role, who won’t have that choice. It’s kind of a slippery slope. 

I could see it for a Pro Bowl-type player who had many years in the organization, but not Foles. Interesting situation.

 

[need2know]

I asked earlier if Foles preferred to be a backup. The Browns were a fantastic opportunity & it’s extremely odd he would pass on it. Maybe Foles is wired differently. 

While I understand the personal side of it, this is a business, & like I said earlier, I’m surpised Howie passed on the deal, with or without Foles’ consent.

You can’t keep everyone together. I’m not sure giving Foles autonomy on trades because he’s a QB is smart. There are other guys who’ve been their longer & who played a significant role, who won’t have that choice. It’s kind of a slippery slope. 

I could see it for a Pro Bowl-type player who had many years in the organization, but not Foles. Interesting situation.

hes wired like a super bowl mvp.  so yeah hes different.  how many of those you got on your roster?

 

[dhockster]

If he chose to be a backup instead of a starter he'd be the first QB I ever heard of that did that.

And,  the Browns have better wrs than Philly

I think it was likely the Browns would've drafted Mayfield even if they had traded for Foles, so his starting for the full season would not have been guaranteed.

And Wentz/Foles certainly were not hindered by their receiving options last year. The Browns offense may eventually be good, but next year won't be optimal with all the new faces and transition going on.

 

[Football Jones]

I want to expound on the Dak/Garrett - Foles/Pederson thing real quick.

With what we know now, I'd take Pederson over Garrett, but when you add in Dak/Foles, that swings it the other way dramatically. Garrett gets a lot of heat & some of it deservedly so, but he's one of those HCs who doesn't have as much influence on our outcomes as most HCs (by design). While Garrett is no Belichick, he's not a big negative, either.

Garrett has had some success himself (COY in 2016) & the down year last season could mostly be contributed to extenuating circumstances. To me, he's just a guy. I believe we could do better & Stephen will no doubt can him unless we go deep into the playoffs with this very young team & it might even take a SB victory for him to keep his job.

Stephen isn't soft like Jerry. He's a hardass who demands results.

 

[Football Jones]

I think it was likely the Browns would've drafted Mayfield even if they had traded for Foles, so his starting for the full season would not have been guaranteed.

And Wentz/Foles certainly were not hindered by their receiving options last year. The Browns offense may eventually be good, but next year won't be optimal with all the new faces and transition going on.

I'll have to strongly disagree. You just can't do that in the salary cap era.

It would essentially be like them taking Mayfield at 1 & then drafting another QB with the 35th pick.

 

[Football Jones]

I believe Cleveland wants to turn around their organization quickly (obviously). A decent veteran (like Foles) & using the #1 overall on a non-QB in a strong class is a pretty good way to do that.

If the Browns had done the Foles deal, they may have been looking at Rudolph in the 3rd, for example. That would have made a lot of sense.

 

[dhockster]

I'll have to strongly disagree. You just can't do that in the salary cap era.

It would essentially be like them taking Mayfield at 1 & then drafting another QB with the 35th pick.

You can do that in the salary cap area when Foles is only going to be there 1 or 2 years and Mayfield is on a rookie contract. The Browns situation is also different because they had the #4 pick and the #33 pick to take non-QB resources.

And the Redskins did something similar when they took RG3 at #2 and Cousins in the 4th round. That worked out pretty well for them when RG3 flamed out, they still had a viable QB option in Cousins

Browns fans would have been in an uproar if all they did was trade for Foles and did not take a young QB. The Browns would have passed on Wentz, Watson, and the 5 1st round QB's this year, of which probably at least 2 will be pretty good.

 

[dhockster]

I believe Cleveland wants to turn around their organization quickly (obviously). A decent veteran (like Foles) & using the #1 overall on a non-QB in a strong class is a pretty good way to do that.

If the Browns had done the Foles deal, they may have been looking at Rudolph in the 3rd, for example. That would have made a lot of sense.

Totally disagree as I stated above. Cleveland can't risk passing on the opportunity to draft an all pro QB with the decisions they have made in the past 2 years. Mayfield may not work out, but they at least took their best shot and got the guy they wanted.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

You can do that in the salary cap area when Foles is only going to be there 1 or 2 years and Mayfield is on a rookie contract. The Browns situation is also different because they had the #4 pick and the #33 pick to take non-QB resources.

And the Redskins did something similar when they took RG3 at #2 and Cousins in the 4th round. That worked out pretty well for them when RG3 flamed out, they still had a viable QB option in Cousins

Browns fans would have been in an uproar if all they did was trade for Foles and did not take a young QB. The Browns would have passed on Wentz, Watson, and the 5 1st round QB's this year, of which probably at least 2 will be pretty good.

yeah you're not building your franchise around foles, although that does sound like something the browns would do.   if they traded for foles, they absolutely would have also been drafting a qb at 1 as well

 

[Football Jones]

Totally disagree as I stated above. Cleveland can't risk passing on the opportunity to draft an all pro QB with the decisions they have made in the past 2 years. Mayfield may not work out, but they at least took their best shot and got the guy they wanted.

Sure, draft Mayfield now. But the thought that their plan was to spend the 35th overall pick on Foles & still go QB at 1 isn't typical at best. They very likely would've taken Bradley Chubb or Barkley at 1 if you guys had accepted their offer. I'm also guessing they would've taken a strong look at Mason Rudolph in the 3rd.

That's more typical of what an NFL would do & makes much more sense in the salary cap era, IMO.