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*Official 2018 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles* - Tough way to go out. Magic finally gone. (1 Viewer)

Walt Coleman still defending the call after the game. Still saying he went after his knees with force. Despite the fact that that was the least amount of force I've seen on a sack before, he hit the QB in the butt first and slid down to the legs. 

Why can't the league use replay for these calls to makes sure they are what they are. I hate to add another thing for replay but Jesus Christ. This is the difference between a 3rd and long and kicking a fg or first and goal and getting a pretty easy TD.

 
Are you referring to the 2 that they converted to bring the game to within 6 in the 4th quarter?  If so, there was a thread on here earlier this week basically showing why it's the correct statistical play in that situation.  Most coaches would just kick the extra point in that situation but I'm not surprised that Doug knew the correct call.


Go for 2 is the right call to win. Don't go if you want to tie. Going for two there and getting it means you have a shot to win. Not getting it leaves you still within one score.


Going for two is totally the right call.  If the defense could have held just a bit, then they were in position to win the game.
My point is that why go for it if you’re not going to kick the FG anyway? I thought for sure the 3rd and 20 play would be a quick slant type of play or a dump off to a RB. I was shocked to see them try to draw them offsides on a 4th and 20. Doug made a couple questionable decisions IMO. 

 
This is the week that matters. As bad as we've been playing, if we win our division games, we probably win the division. Right now I see us anywhere from 8 to 10 wins depending on how we do in the division. 10 probably gets us the division. 8 or 9, we're out.
Only if we pick things up. This is uncharacteristic of me this early, but Thursday is a must win. We have just looked so bad in a lot of ways and if we lose Thursday we are really behind the 8-ball with 3 of our next 4 against the Panthers, Jags and Saints. 

 
My point is that why go for it if you’re not going to kick the FG anyway? I thought for sure the 3rd and 20 play would be a quick slant type of play or a dump off to a RB. I was shocked to see them try to draw them offsides on a 4th and 20. Doug made a couple questionable decisions IMO. 
Now that part I don't get. 

 
My point is that why go for it if you’re not going to kick the FG anyway? I thought for sure the 3rd and 20 play would be a quick slant type of play or a dump off to a RB. I was shocked to see them try to draw them offsides on a 4th and 20. Doug made a couple questionable decisions IMO. 
good point.  Definitely contradicts the decision to go for 2 in the first place a little.

 
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Walt Coleman still defending the call after the game. Still saying he went after his knees with force. Despite the fact that that was the least amount of force I've seen on a sack before, he hit the QB in the butt first and slid down to the legs. 

Why can't the league use replay for these calls to makes sure they are what they are. I hate to add another thing for replay but Jesus Christ. This is the difference between a 3rd and long and kicking a fg or first and goal and getting a pretty easy TD.
As bad as the call was, it was worse listening to Aikman repeatedly say it was the right call even after multiple replays. In a year full of questionable roughing the passer penalties, it was one of the worst.

 
The offensive line has been bad. The secondary (especially Mills) has been bad. In today's NFL, you're not going to win much if those two things are true. 

 
This was always going to be a tough game to win.  Minny needed this more than us and wanted this more than us.  They're a good team that saved their season today.   Fully expected a loss today, but think we're still okay.  We lost to 3 teams that were hot at the right time, and are decimated with injuries.  We're not doing as well as I thought, and I'm not totally unconcerned, but a short week to play a potentially barkley-less giants team then 10 days rest to play the panthers and I wouldn't be surprised if we were 4-3 and leading the division in 2 weeks time. 

All that said, we don't look good right now and I really hope Doug will fix this. 
Excuse me for being late as I was working during the early games but what happened to Barkley? It's a dam shame he's not playing because Ive been telling my biased PSU buddy how Barkley won't look as great against some of the elite run Defenses in the NFL and how the Eagles were gonna at the very least be one of the Defenses to contain him. 

 
My point is that why go for it if you’re not going to kick the FG anyway? I thought for sure the 3rd and 20 play would be a quick slant type of play or a dump off to a RB. I was shocked to see them try to draw them offsides on a 4th and 20. Doug made a couple questionable decisions IMO. 
Because you never know how long the fg is going to be.  I'm sure they would have kicked it if it was a 40 yard FG.

Also, you don't really go for it to be down 2 fgs.  You go for it so a TD/XP wins the game, and at WORST case, you like your chances of going 1 for 2 on 2point conversions as much as you do hitting 2 xps.

 
As bad as the call was, it was worse listening to Aikman repeatedly say it was the right call even after multiple replays. In a year full of questionable roughing the passer penalties, it was one of the worst.
Bennett and Matthews are gonna have some fun with those calls together at some point. 

 
Because you never know how long the fg is going to be.  I'm sure they would have kicked it if it was a 40 yard FG.

Also, you don't really go for it to be down 2 fgs.  You go for it so a TD/XP wins the game, and at WORST case, you like your chances of going 1 for 2 on 2point conversions as much as you do hitting 2 xps.
I think the cool thing about this is that when Doug was questioned about this decision in the post game press, his response was essentially that it's basic math and I can't believe I'm being questioned about this.  I don't even think it was a decision for him.  Yet maybe 4-5 other coaches in football make that move at that juncture of the game.

 
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Because you never know how long the fg is going to be.  I'm sure they would have kicked it if it was a 40 yard FG.

Also, you don't really go for it to be down 2 fgs.  You go for it so a TD/XP wins the game, and at WORST case, you like your chances of going 1 for 2 on 2point conversions as much as you do hitting 2 xps.
Dude they better have kicked it from 40 lol. 

Elliot hit from 61 last year. I’m not saying a 58 yarder is a walk in the park either but it looked like we should have been playing for a FG when it was 3rd and 20. 

This wasn’t a good game by Doug at all. It was pretty bad actually. 

 
Excuse me for being late as I was working during the early games but what happened to Barkley? It's a dam shame he's not playing because Ive been telling my biased PSU buddy how Barkley won't look as great against some of the elite run Defenses in the NFL and how the Eagles were gonna at the very least be one of the Defenses to contain him. 
I think we've seen that Barkley is more than just a runner.  I'm not a PSU fan but that guy looks like a complete stud in the making.  

 
And other cracks are starting to show too..

The Cox and Mills exchange 

Ajayi is coming off of the field play after play asking Duce why he’s only in for one play and right back out (my observation) and he apparently mentioned something similar in the post game 

Wisniewski: “I’m going to be honest. I’ve been playing pretty well. I really don’t think that was it. I have some theories, but I’m not going to share those publicly.

...It’s frustrating. If I wasn’t a Christian, I’d probably be losing my mind."

 
Dude they better have kicked it from 40 lol. 

Elliot hit from 61 last year. I’m not saying a 58 yarder is a walk in the park either but it looked like we should have been playing for a FG when it was 3rd and 20. 

This wasn’t a good game by Doug at all. It was pretty bad actually. 
I agree with this for sure.  Take the 10 yards that was given to us.

 
Insein said:
This is the week that matters. As bad as we've been playing, if we win our division games, we probably win the division. Right now I see us anywhere from 8 to 10 wins depending on how we do in the division. 10 probably gets us the division. 8 or 9, we're out.
You don't think 9 wins takes the div?  Which other team do you see winning 10 this year?

 
Ya I really don't think they'll make it.  If I had to totally guess now, I'd guess it would finish:
Philly 9-7
Washington 8-8
Dallas 7-9
NYG 6-10

We're gonna have to pick it up and look better though, but I think we will enough to get the 9 wins that should win the div. 
to be honest, i wont even want to watch if they make the playoffs like this. Good news is it is fixable, guess we will see how it plays out.

Surprised not more talk about the game today. Really intrigued to hear more about the blow up between Mills and Fletcher. I am guessing the DL isn't so happy with the DBs giving up big plays.

 
Ya I really don't think they'll make it.  If I had to totally guess now, I'd guess it would finish:
Philly 9-7
Washington 8-8
Dallas 7-9
NYG 6-10

We're gonna have to pick it up and look better though, but I think we will enough to get the 9 wins that should win the div. 
I think the question is whether the Eagles are any better than the teams in their division.  It's only 5 games but their 2 wins are against teams who are a combined -50 point differential on the season.  Among their 3 losses, only the Titans have a positive point differential (+ 1) but they just lost to the Bills today.  Bottom line - I'm pretty sure they've just completed the easiest part of their schedule.  Looking at the schedule ahead, yes they're going to have to pick it up.  Big time.  

 
to be honest, i wont even want to watch if they make the playoffs like this. Good news is it is fixable, guess we will see how it plays out.

Surprised not more talk about the game today. Really intrigued to hear more about the blow up between Mills and Fletcher. I am guessing the DL isn't so happy with the DBs giving up big plays.
It's hard to watch.  This is likely the case though.  DL works their tail off and stops them from running the ball on 1st and 2nd downs, and then our DBs let them get a first down and put the DL back to work.  That would definitely be frustrating. 

If Barkley is out, they're not going to be able to run against us at ALL.  I think we can put up points on that Giants D.  Thursday is 100% going to come down to how prepared Jim has our DBs.  Get Mills outta there Jim.  Do it.  Maybe that will wake him up. 

 
I think the question is whether the Eagles are any better than the teams in their division.  It's only 5 games but their 2 wins are against teams who are a combined -50 point differential on the season.  Among their 3 losses, only the Titans have a positive point differential (+ 1) but they just lost to the Bills today.  Bottom line - I'm pretty sure they've just completed the easiest part of their schedule.  Looking at the schedule ahead, yes they're going to have to pick it up.  Big time.  
Ya I disagree about our schedule.  You can bash Tennessee and Tampa all you want, but at the time we played them, they were good teams.  Tennessee had just beaten Jax on the road and was coming home.  Tampa had just beaten New O on the road and were coming home.  Atlanta also looked better at the start of the year than they do now.  And Indy needed a few games to get Luck going and we got them as he started to look good again.  I know it sounds like a lot of excuses, and there's no excuse for the way we've been playing, but I think we've had a tough go schedule-wise. 

Our next 7 games:

NYG:  Short week, Barkley hurt, season on the line for us. Giants not very good.
Carolina:  Good team, but we'll have 10 days rest (which worked well for the Browns, Jets, Vikings, and Rams today) and Carolina will be on their 2nd road game in a row.
Jags:  Neutral field, so not really a home game for them
Dallas:  We'll be coming off a bye and at home.  Also Dallas doesn't look great.
Saints:  This will be a tough game
Giants:  At home, and Giants not that good.
Redskins:  Could be tough, but I don't think they're as good as their record. 

Only 3 of our next 7 are true road games, and only 1 against a really good team.  I could see us going 4-3 or 5-2 over this stretch.  We likely will be favoured in 5 of them.

I like the way that chunk of schedule looks.
 

 
ehh it will be close. Skins have a tough schedule:

http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2018/REG/REDSKINS
Just looking at the Eagles schedule ahead, in order to go 9-7 they will need to finish 7-4.  Let’s assume they go 4-2 in their division.  They would need to find 3 wins out of the following:  

1. Carolina

2. @ Jacksonville 

3.  @ New Orleans 

4.  @ Rams

5.  Houston

It’s definitely  possible but it won’t be easy.

 
Ya I disagree about our schedule.  You can bash Tennessee and Tampa all you want, but at the time we played them, they were good teams.  Tennessee had just beaten Jax on the road and was coming home.  Tampa had just beaten New O on the road and were coming home.  Atlanta also looked better at the start of the year than they do now.  And Indy needed a few games to get Luck going and we got them as he started to look good again.  I know it sounds like a lot of excuses, and there's no excuse for the way we've been playing, but I think we've had a tough go schedule-wise. 

Our next 7 games:

NYG:  Short week, Barkley hurt, season on the line for us. Giants not very good.
Carolina:  Good team, but we'll have 10 days rest (which worked well for the Browns, Jets, Vikings, and Rams today) and Carolina will be on their 2nd road game in a row.
Jags:  Neutral field, so not really a home game for them
Dallas:  We'll be coming off a bye and at home.  Also Dallas doesn't look great.
Saints:  This will be a tough game
Giants:  At home, and Giants not that good.
Redskins:  Could be tough, but I don't think they're as good as their record. 

Only 3 of our next 7 are true road games, and only 1 against a really good team.  I could see us going 4-3 or 5-2 over this stretch.  We likely will be favoured in 5 of them.

I like the way that chunk of schedule looks.
 
Oh yeah forgot Jax game was in London lol.  Disregard that part of my last post

 
Just looking at the Eagles schedule ahead, in order to go 9-7 they will need to finish 7-4.  Let’s assume they go 4-2 in their division.  They would need to find 3 wins out of the following:  

1. Carolina

2. @ Jacksonville 

3.  @ New Orleans 

4.  @ Rams

5.  Houston

It’s definitely  possible but it won’t be easy.
I really like our chances in the Carolina and Houston games.  The other 3 are going to be hard for sure.  Just need to win one of those 3. 

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if 8-8 won this division. 

 
Oh yeah forgot Jax game was in London lol.  Disregard that part of my last post
Jags do have more experience playing over there than us, which will certainly help.  So I think there's a BIT of home field advantage for them in that one but not as much as a typical game. I'd assume there will be quite a few new NFL fans in England that might have jumped on our wagon and it might be an Eagles crowd though.

 
I really like our chances in the Carolina and Houston games.  The other 3 are going to be hard for sure.  Just need to win one of those 3. 

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if 8-8 won this division. 
Yup the Redskins schedule is just as brutal.  I think after today the Giants will hit free fall mode.  Cowboys still have a pretty good D so who knows.  We will find out a lot about the Skins tomorrow night.

 
Yup the Redskins schedule is just as brutal.  I think after today the Giants will hit free fall mode.  Cowboys still have a pretty good D so who knows.  We will find out a lot about the Skins tomorrow night.
Ya I could see a split with Dallas.  I do like that we have a bye week before we play them at home though.  Should be a big advantage.  I agree the Giants are in for a slide.  I think this loss will be tough for them to bounce back from and might have taken some air out of them.  I don't know who is going to cover ODB but hopefully he's doubled all game and we dare them to run on  us. 

 
You guys will win this division going away.  The other three teams are pathetic.

Why can't Wentz throw a pass to a WR?  Beginning to think Foles is the better QB.

 
You guys will win this division going away.  The other three teams are pathetic.

Why can't Wentz throw a pass to a WR?  Beginning to think Foles is the better QB.
1.  I wouldn't say we'd win it in a landslide
2.  I wouldn't call the skins "pathetic" yet.  We'll see tomorrow.
3.  Really not sure.  Mainly our Oline is awful right now and he's getting no time to find open WR's down the field.  Also we have pretty sub-par WR's.  Also we have a great TE that he trusts and loves to throw to.
4.  No he's not.

 
1.  I wouldn't say we'd win it in a landslide
2.  I wouldn't call the skins "pathetic" yet.  We'll see tomorrow.
3.  Really not sure.  Mainly our Oline is awful right now and he's getting no time to find open WR's down the field.  Also we have pretty sub-par WR's.  Also we have a great TE that he trusts and loves to throw to.
4.  No he's not.
1. Won't be threatened.  You'll crush in the division games.

2. I hope I'm wrong, but I think it will be a bloodbath.

3. Cam Newton has a line with half the guys off the street and can't hit the broad side of a barn and still gets it to the WRs more often.  Your WR WRs aren[t sub-par.  Agree on the last part.

4. Maybe not, but the results as of late indicate otherwise.  I'm not going to argue it as I would take Wentz over Foles, but let's be honest about who's been delivering Ws.

 
1. Won't be threatened.  You'll crush in the division games.

2. I hope I'm wrong, but I think it will be a bloodbath.

3. Cam Newton has a line with half the guys off the street and can't hit the broad side of a barn and still gets it to the WRs more often.  Your WR WRs aren[t sub-par.  Agree on the last part.

4. Maybe not, but the results as of late indicate otherwise.  I'm not going to argue it as I would take Wentz over Foles, but let's be honest about who's been delivering Ws.
1. Division games are always tough.  You kind of shoot for 4-2 every year in those.  

2. The only concern of mine for tomorrow is the Saints' inconsistency, and the Redskins coming off a bye.  Teams with extra rest are 3-0 this week. 

3. Alshon just got back.  Our starting WR's on Carson's first week were Aghalor and Jordan Mathews.  He threw the ball 37 times that game, only 7 of which went to WRs (and only to those two).  Alshon coming back helps, but if you look at all the WR corps in the nfl (not counting tight ends) I would SURELY bet ours is below the average line.

4.  Foles was 1-1 this year and didn't look that great doing it, nor in the preseason.  Foles was absolutely unbelievable and played better than I thought he ever would during our run last year.  But to think he'd likely do that week in and week out all season I think is a little exaggerated.   19% of his first games passes went to WRs, 50% in his 2nd game, and 40% in his 3rd game.  Doesn't help that Alshon caught 2 of 8 targets today.

 
I won’t even entertain something as stupid as Foles is better than Wentz. An obvious troll attempt and just terrible analysis. 

I’m standing by the super bowl hangover until I see something different. There is a LOT wrong with this team right now. 

OL is a shell of itself. Peters and Lane have both taken noticeable steps back and LG is just a turnstile.  Wentz has been sacked 12 times and hit 27 in his 3 games back.

DL is also a shell of itself. These are the same DB’s we had last year. The major difference is time to throw. Yesterday Cousin’s was throwing dimes when he did get pressured but he had a lot of time and a clean pocket a majority of the night. Same with every game this year for the most part. I don’t know if it’s scheme or players or both but it has to get better. 

I really have no clue what we’re doing with the running game either. Doug this morning attempted to defend his playcalling and was actually naming Wentz scrambles as “running plays”. That disingenuous and he knows it. 

I may have severely underestimated the loss of Reich and Flip. Maybe we looked how we did because of the familiarity they have with our players? Or maybe they were just really good coaches? Could be a little bit of both I suppose. 

The penalties, drops and fumbles are a F’ing joke right now too. Smallwood and Alshon with gigantic drops, Ajayi’s fumble, illegal procedures etc. Awful. The worst part is that it’s been in all 5 games. 

Finally we have:

Cox and Mills going at it

Wentz slamming his helmet in frustration

Ajayi questioning playcalling

Wiz’s comments about being benched 

These are all very uncharacteristic of this team. It’s not a big deal now but with us playing the Giants on a short week, Carolina, Jacksonville, Dallas and New Orleans it could get very big and out of control. 

We have two wins right now where the opponent was knocking on the door to win the game and those two opponents have a combined record of 2-8. 

These next 3 games before the bye are gigantic. We have the talent but we also have a ton to fix after 5 games. 

 
The players better treat it that way too. You lose this, seasons not officially over but it's pretty much over.

 
Ajayi questioning playcalling
I realize that Eagles' running game isn't great as last year but for Ajayi to questioning Pederson's play-calling is not withstanding.  For starter, I still see the same issue plaguing Ajayi, which is "dancing" to the hole.  His indecisiveness made Dolphins HC Gase fed up, which subsequently traded him to Eagles last year.   There's a fine line between patience and indecisiveness.  You can bet Eagles will draft a new RB next year to replace Ajayi. 

 
I realize that Eagles' running game isn't great as last year but for Ajayi to questioning Pederson's play-calling is not withstanding.  For starter, I still see the same issue plaguing Ajayi, which is "dancing" to the hole.  His indecisiveness made Dolphins HC Gase fed up, which subsequently traded him to Eagles last year.   There's a fine line between patience and indecisiveness.  You can bet Eagles will draft a new RB next year to replace Ajayi. 
Personally I don’t see the same. He looks better than any of the backs and is way more complete IMO. No sense in him coming in for a play, out for 5, in for 1, out again for 2 etc. Especially when one of the options is Josh Adams. No doubt in my mind he picks up that first on the play they ran with Adams

 
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I realize that Eagles' running game isn't great as last year but for Ajayi to questioning Pederson's play-calling is not withstanding.  For starter, I still see the same issue plaguing Ajayi, which is "dancing" to the hole.  His indecisiveness made Dolphins HC Gase fed up, which subsequently traded him to Eagles last year.   There's a fine line between patience and indecisiveness.  You can bet Eagles will draft a new RB next year to replace Ajayi. 
Yep Ajayi is all but gone.  I thought Clement might have been the successor to him, but not sure why he wasn't in there yesterday if he actually is healthy.  Smallwood did look good in limited time though.  I see the same issue that plagues some of the other teams in the league... they don't let any rb get in a rhythm and have more than 8 carries.  Let someone get going.  I fully expect a 1st or 2nd round RB next year.

 

 
Definitely do or die this week.  Have we heard any update on Barkleys injury?  Seemed like something with his back, but not sure if he's at risk of missing the game or not.

That Giants O-line is absolutely awful right now.  I think our D-line is going to come in fired up, and we have lots of guys to rotate in on a short week which is nice.  Eli is going to be rushed/sacked all night. 

Barkley has looked fantastic, but hasn't faced a front like ours is capable of.  We should be able to keep  him in check.  We might see another 15 dump offs to Barkley situation like they did vs Dallas.  That didn't work out too well for them.  Their only way to stay in games is to get their deep threats going (which they very well could against us), but I don't expect Eli to be making the throws that Cousins did under pressure.

I think Doug has the boys ready this week.

 
Definitely do or die this week.  Have we heard any update on Barkleys injury?  Seemed like something with his back, but not sure if he's at risk of missing the game or not.

That Giants O-line is absolutely awful right now.  I think our D-line is going to come in fired up, and we have lots of guys to rotate in on a short week which is nice.  Eli is going to be rushed/sacked all night. 

Barkley has looked fantastic, but hasn't faced a front like ours is capable of.  We should be able to keep  him in check.  We might see another 15 dump offs to Barkley situation like they did vs Dallas.  That didn't work out too well for them.  Their only way to stay in games is to get their deep threats going (which they very well could against us), but I don't expect Eli to be making the throws that Cousins did under pressure.

I think Doug has the boys ready this week.
Hey now. Don't give the refs any reason to throw a flag. Eli will be gently caressed and laid delicately on the ground as he is rocked into a comfortable sleep. 

 
Hey now. Don't give the refs any reason to throw a flag. Eli will be gently caressed and laid delicately on the ground as he is rocked into a comfortable sleep. 
Oh I hope we rock him into a comfortable sleep alright.

*I actually don't want him concussed, but I do hope he's hit a lot. 

 

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