Worm
slimy ninja
So last FY they lost $530M. Then they banked on the Wii U making them profitable again. Then they released the Wii U, which has tanked.
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larry_boy_44
Footballguy
Mario Kart Wii sold 34 million copies, Mario Kart DS sold 22 million, Mario Kart 7 (3DS) has sold 8 million already (still counting)
Mario Galaxy sold 10.68 million, Galaxy 2 sold 6.36 million, Mario 3D land sold 8.29 million
New Super Mario Wii sold 27 million
Smash Brothers sold 11 million
it isn't broke, they make a ton of money off this stuff. They work on new stuff all the time (part of the reason Smash Bros. wasn't made 100% in house this time, rather they partnered with someone else to make it).
Combine that with Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Pikmin, and all the other stuff they have (Kirby, DK, Yoshi, Kid Icarus, Metroid etc.) and they are pretty set. And the thing is, they have almost every kind of game that exists out there. Sports, platformer, FPS, RTS, etc... I watched Microsoft's press conference, every game involved shooting something (even the RPGs seemed to).
I honestly don't understand the complaint about Nintendo...
Fennis
Footballguy
I was replying to:
which clearly is not true for Nintendo. Nintendo is struggling and continues to struggle.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
My guess is a majority of those were Japanese buys, no?
Mario Kart Wii sold 34 million copies, Mario Kart DS sold 22 million, Mario Kart 7 (3DS) has sold 8 million already (still counting)
Mario Galaxy sold 10.68 million, Galaxy 2 sold 6.36 million, Mario 3D land sold 8.29 million
New Super Mario Wii sold 27 million
Smash Brothers sold 11 million
it isn't broke, they make a ton of money off this stuff. They work on new stuff all the time (part of the reason Smash Bros. wasn't made 100% in house this time, rather they partnered with someone else to make it).
Combine that with Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Pikmin, and all the other stuff they have (Kirby, DK, Yoshi, Kid Icarus, Metroid etc.) and they are pretty set. And the thing is, they have almost every kind of game that exists out there. Sports, platformer, FPS, RTS, etc... I watched Microsoft's press conference, every game involved shooting something (even the RPGs seemed to).
I honestly don't understand the complaint about Nintendo...
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
quote:http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/04/26/nintendos-530-million-lossWorm said:
get back to me when someone other than Nintendo is making a profit. Even with bad sales, Nintendo is still making money, companies that make money don't go under.
Microsoft and Sony are both, typically, losing money on video games and subsidizing this with all of their other things.
I'm not worried about Nintendo going under.
Nintendo has been a company for like 120 years now, they posted the first loss for a year in the history of their company in 2011. EVER.
How many years since PSX came out has Sony's gaming division had a net loss? How about Microsoft since XBox? I'd guess more often than not judging based on their hardware pricing strategy (selling hardware at a loss and subsidizing with game sales).
Worm
slimy ninja
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
its about 1/3 American, 1/3 Japanese, 1/3 worldwide.My guess is a majority of those were Japanese buys, no?
Mario Kart Wii sold 34 million copies, Mario Kart DS sold 22 million, Mario Kart 7 (3DS) has sold 8 million already (still counting)
Mario Galaxy sold 10.68 million, Galaxy 2 sold 6.36 million, Mario 3D land sold 8.29 million
New Super Mario Wii sold 27 million
Smash Brothers sold 11 million
it isn't broke, they make a ton of money off this stuff. They work on new stuff all the time (part of the reason Smash Bros. wasn't made 100% in house this time, rather they partnered with someone else to make it).
Combine that with Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Pikmin, and all the other stuff they have (Kirby, DK, Yoshi, Kid Icarus, Metroid etc.) and they are pretty set. And the thing is, they have almost every kind of game that exists out there. Sports, platformer, FPS, RTS, etc... I watched Microsoft's press conference, every game involved shooting something (even the RPGs seemed to).
I honestly don't understand the complaint about Nintendo...
Microsoft is almost 100% American.
Sony is also about 1/3 each region.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm not debating that they have hot properties. That's obvious. But how many new people are they going to attract to their systems with those? They can't grow their business with those recycled titles and it's starting to show.
They have other games, sure, but they're an afterthought and nobody wants to play those games on Nintendo systems.
I'm not complaining. Just observing.
Fennis
Footballguy
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
http://haverzine.com/2013/05/24/wii-u-sales-rise-875-on-amazon-uk-after-xbox-one-announcement/
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Poor-Reception-Blasts-Wii-U-Sales-By-220-56021.html
WiiU sales increase 875% on Amazon following Microsoft's press conference...
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Poor-Reception-Blasts-Wii-U-Sales-By-220-56021.html
WiiU sales increase 875% on Amazon following Microsoft's press conference...
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
Nintendo's biggest problem is that 3rd parties (EA especially) won't make games for their systems.
Take all 3rd party games off XBox and Playstation and they'd be in a worse spot than Nintendo is.
Fennis
Footballguy
got a link, because the above just isnt factualits about 1/3 American, 1/3 Japanese, 1/3 worldwide.My guess is a majority of those were Japanese buys, no?
Mario Kart Wii sold 34 million copies, Mario Kart DS sold 22 million, Mario Kart 7 (3DS) has sold 8 million already (still counting)
Mario Galaxy sold 10.68 million, Galaxy 2 sold 6.36 million, Mario 3D land sold 8.29 million
New Super Mario Wii sold 27 million
Smash Brothers sold 11 million
it isn't broke, they make a ton of money off this stuff. They work on new stuff all the time (part of the reason Smash Bros. wasn't made 100% in house this time, rather they partnered with someone else to make it).
Combine that with Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Pikmin, and all the other stuff they have (Kirby, DK, Yoshi, Kid Icarus, Metroid etc.) and they are pretty set. And the thing is, they have almost every kind of game that exists out there. Sports, platformer, FPS, RTS, etc... I watched Microsoft's press conference, every game involved shooting something (even the RPGs seemed to).
I honestly don't understand the complaint about Nintendo...
Microsoft is almost 100% American.
Sony is also about 1/3 each region.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Worm
slimy ninja
lol
Take away LeBron James insane athletic ability and basketball skills and he's just a benchwarmer imo.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The dedicated servers thing will be interesting. That would be huge in several ways. I could see developers either refusing to make a PS4 version because of the cost of coding for P2P, refusing to code for XB1 because of server costs, forcing PS4 users to pay for MP access to play on leased servers or even Sony also having dedicated servers.
With the PS4 offering livestreaming, live look-ins, ability to jump in and take over someone's game and the ability to instantly upload gameplay, it sounds like Sony has a hefty server network in place. If they are able to guarantee all that stuff for every game, does that mean they have all dedicated servers? I don't know, but it seems plausible.
Also, Sony has said the PS4 has a dedicated chip for VoIP, all that streaming stuff and other background operations. So it looks like their party system will be more in line with what the 360 did rather than the PS3.
With the PS4 offering livestreaming, live look-ins, ability to jump in and take over someone's game and the ability to instantly upload gameplay, it sounds like Sony has a hefty server network in place. If they are able to guarantee all that stuff for every game, does that mean they have all dedicated servers? I don't know, but it seems plausible.
Also, Sony has said the PS4 has a dedicated chip for VoIP, all that streaming stuff and other background operations. So it looks like their party system will be more in line with what the 360 did rather than the PS3.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
EA announced that they are no longer making games for Nintendo consoles at all like last month... It was followed up by some higher up saying stuff on twitter that got deleted: http://nintendoeverything.com/122192/ea-sports-software-engineer-slams-wii-u-on-twitter/ (first link I found)
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.408596-EA-Exec-Says-It-Actually-Will-Develop-Future-Wii-U-Games
They just don't seem to know what to do with the hardware (its setup differently than Microsoft and Sony's hardware).
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Wait. I think I might have changed my mind on the "freshness" of the Nintendo brand. The new Yoshi's Island game will be called....Yoshi's New Island.
I see now. It's "new".
I see now. It's "new".
Insein
Footballguy
The model is sound though. What they need to do is get better 3rd party titles. They have a built in base of software to attract a wide range with the familiarity. Get them in the door and then show them what else you have. They just have to capitalize on the second part.
Thanks. Not too big a deal to not be swindled out of $60 for a FIFA or Madden roster upgrade.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
jwb
Footballguy
This has always been a big beef w/ my PS3. I only turn it on once a month or so, but every time I go to do something, it needs to update. I can't even get into the store without an update. And the update takes forever. Then it has to install (again, fairly slowly). Nothing like turning on your system to play a game and have it still updating 10 minutes later.
PS4 intrigues me, but then I look at that controller, and I'm reminded again why I don't like my PS3 that much. The Xbox controller is light years better.
If they fixed their interface / updating issues, and got a better controller, it'd be a no-brainer.
Likely sitting out launch to see how it all plays out.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
NCCommish
Footballguy
They got saddled with the kiddie label and never lost it. Add to that last decade hardware and it's going to be a tough sale.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
I have, its one of the reasons I no longer use my PS3 (though I am hooking it back up for Last of Us).
jwb
Footballguy
I'm guessing not too many people only use it once a month (at best - sometimes it goes two or three months).
and I'm responding to a post from somebody else saying the updates are too slow.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That's still a weird issue. 
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I have. I don't play my PS3 that often and it seems like every time I do I have to go through the same 4 step process.
Download console update
Install console update
Download game update
Install game update
It takes around ~10 minutes and is extremely annoying. On the 360 game updates take all of about 4 seconds and console updates are only once or twice a year (and still much faster than PS3 console updates).
Seems like they have most of this worked out for the PS4 though.
Jobber
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Huh. I didn't know people had that many issues with the PS3 downloading.
One thing I did find that helped me with my game updates not working was to turn off the media server in system settings. Never had a problem since I did that where before it would always take two or three tries since it would stop mid-download. You guys might want to check that.
I almost NEVER get system updates though. And game updates are seldom. They don't release system updates very often, so if you're having to do it every time, you have some setting messed up or a messed up system.
One thing I did find that helped me with my game updates not working was to turn off the media server in system settings. Never had a problem since I did that where before it would always take two or three tries since it would stop mid-download. You guys might want to check that.
I almost NEVER get system updates though. And game updates are seldom. They don't release system updates very often, so if you're having to do it every time, you have some setting messed up or a messed up system.
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Jobber
Footballguy
I want to know more about multiplayer and potential dedicated servers. My biggest issue by far is p2p hosting.
When playing Halo 4, sometimes the host turns off their console for whatever reason (called to dinner by mom or angry that I just assassinated them). Then game pauses and you sit there waiting for another host to be chosen and the game started. Sometimes this happens multiple times during one match.
Online hosting would solve this problem.
When playing Halo 4, sometimes the host turns off their console for whatever reason (called to dinner by mom or angry that I just assassinated them). Then game pauses and you sit there waiting for another host to be chosen and the game started. Sometimes this happens multiple times during one match.
Online hosting would solve this problem.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
MS has implied all XB1 multiplayer games will have dedicated servers. Though like seemingly everything around the system it's still shrouded in some mystery. I'm surprised it's not getting more publicity.
It probably isn't getting much publicity because people aren't going to assume the best of MSFT without details.
jwb
Footballguy
It's not just download speed - it's the fact that they need so many updates. It's constant (or at least it seems that way to a once-in-awhile user.)
I did learn the media server trick last year (and again, that's another little annoyance - one appeal of console gaming to me is the absence of having to tweak / shut off anything).
I'm just so used to the seamless, simple, speedy XBL - if PS addresses their interface / updating issues, they would really sway me (and offer another style controller, please).
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Again, it's very, very rare that I need to do an update of any kind. Their system updates are released about once a quarter - if that.
Here's the history of system updates.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Whoa. The XB1 isn't even going to launch worldwide?
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
So 43 since 2009 or about 10 per year? Sounds like a lot to me.Again, it's very, very rare that I need to do an update of any kind. Their system updates are released about once a quarter - if that.
Here's the history of system updates.
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
It was more problematic in its earlier years, granted. But there were seven last year and only one so far this year.So 43 since 2009 or about 10 per year? Sounds like a lot to me.Again, it's very, very rare that I need to do an update of any kind. Their system updates are released about once a quarter - if that.
Here's the history of system updates.
And a lot of those updates weren't fixing big bugs, per se. Many of them were to add new features.
jwb
Footballguy
Just going back to recent years, I count 9 for 2011, 7 for 2012. That's 16 over two years. I would wager that's more than MS has had in the 360's entire life.Again, it's very, very rare that I need to do an update of any kind. Their system updates are released about once a quarter - if that.
Here's the history of system updates.
So yea, for a guy who turns it on every month to every other month, it indeed prettymuch always needs an update.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
NCCommish
Footballguy
In 7 years the Xbox 360 had 35 updates that are considered system updates. 14 of those were in the last two years by my count.Just going back to recent years, I count 9 for 2011, 7 for 2012. That's 16 over two years. I would wager that's more than MS has had in the 360's entire life.Again, it's very, very rare that I need to do an update of any kind. Their system updates are released about once a quarter - if that.
Here's the history of system updates.
So yea, for a guy who turns it on every month to every other month, it indeed prettymuch always needs an update.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Do Sony/MS even consider Nintendo to be a competitor any more? I would think that most people purchase a PS or XBox and then if they want a kids system they grab a Wii.
I have downloaded two 600+ mb patches for god of war ascension in the week that I've owned the game. I thought that was weird, and maybe the ps3 downloaded the same one twice, but either way I've spent 30 minutes or so having to download a bunch of crap for basically a brand new game.
