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Official Bishop Sankey - Best RB in the 2014 Draft (1 Viewer)
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Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
This is kind of funny.
Were you calling Murray a powerful speed back when he could not beat out Julius Jones as a rookie.
There is some short term memory in here.
Murray's first 5 games as a rookie
-Game 1: 2 carries for 0 yards, 1 reception 13 yards
-Game 2: 6 carries 21 yards, 1 reception 4 yards
-Game 3: 2 carries 6 yards, 0 receptions
-Game 4: 4 carries 12 yards, 1 reception -1 yards
-Game 5: 11 carries 34 yards, 1 reception 7 yards
I am sure while watching Murray's games as a rookie people were spouting the same stuff about Murray that many of you in here are saying about Sankey. Before we rule out Sankey let's let the kid play.
I have compared Sankey to Shady Mccoy who is arguably one of the best rb's in the game today.
Shady Mccoy in 16 games as a rookie had 155 carries for 637 yards with 1 td, 40 receptions 308 yards and 0 td's.
There is a massive amount of over reaction so far. Sankey in dynasty still has a ton of value. His redraft value is on hold, but there is a lot of season left folks.
cstu
Footballguy
NOW he is, but what was he as a 21 year old?
Read this thread through Oct 2011 when people could only talk about the 'Cowboys RBBC mess'.
You're talking out of both sides of your ***. He has played one NFL game and he looked good when he was in there. He has the skills to be a stud in this league - DEAL WITH IT!!!
chinawildman
Footballguy
You really gotta see the forest for the trees here guys. There's an obvious problem here: The coaches don't see him as starter material.
Take the careers so far of LaMichael James and Carlos Hyde for example. Both late 2nd round draft picks by the 49ers taken to backup a proven vet in Frank Gore. James wasn't able to beat out Hunter for the backup job his rookie year and never got higher than 3rd on the depth chart. While after one week, Hyde has essentially made James expendable and is now being talked about as heir apparent to Frank Gore.
It's one thing if Sankey was injured and didn't have a chance to prove himself in training camp/preseason. But he's had chances, and unfortunately for him, his career path is right now more Dr. James than Mr. Hyde. Skills or no skills, expecting Sankey to usurp Greene's role at this point is like expecting Christine Michael to suddenly enter a timeshare with Marshawn Lynch.
Take the careers so far of LaMichael James and Carlos Hyde for example. Both late 2nd round draft picks by the 49ers taken to backup a proven vet in Frank Gore. James wasn't able to beat out Hunter for the backup job his rookie year and never got higher than 3rd on the depth chart. While after one week, Hyde has essentially made James expendable and is now being talked about as heir apparent to Frank Gore.
It's one thing if Sankey was injured and didn't have a chance to prove himself in training camp/preseason. But he's had chances, and unfortunately for him, his career path is right now more Dr. James than Mr. Hyde. Skills or no skills, expecting Sankey to usurp Greene's role at this point is like expecting Christine Michael to suddenly enter a timeshare with Marshawn Lynch.
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they gave the starter role to felix jones who was a 24 yr old former first round pick that hadnt yet been able to stay healthy but had flashed some real ability over the course of his first 3 yrs. its a completely different situation from failing to beat out shonn greene.
chinawildman
Footballguy
Jones was a first round pick who had been with the Cowboys and was going into the season being handed the reins as the unquestioned starter. Murray was expected to be the backup regardless of how good he looked. Tashard Choice had also had reps in a starter role and proven himself capable as well.
Greene hasn't even carried the ball 80 times in a Titans uniform. What do the Titans owe him? What's even worse is that Sankey, the supposed "lightning" to Greene's "thunder" couldn't even beat out the other "lightning" guy, career backup Dexter McCluster.
If it gives you hope to compare Sankey to Murray, go for it. Not saying that it can't happen, but I haven't seen anything from Sankey skill-wise to make me think he's anything more than a Jahvid Best (which honestly at this point for Sankey owners isn't too bad).
SpruceGoose
Footballguy
Only one game in, and people are already calling him a bust 
I thought when you drafted Sankey you already assumed he wasnt going to get any run until later in the season...why the freak out now?
I thought when you drafted Sankey you already assumed he wasnt going to get any run until later in the season...why the freak out now?
people were drafting him in the 4th/5th round, no one was assuming he was going to be 4th string and unusable. he clearly wasn't worth the draft pick where he was being taken atOnly one game in, and people are already calling him a bust
I thought when you drafted Sankey you already assumed he wasnt going to get any run until later in the season...why the freak out now?
fatness
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
The Strawman argument yet again? Who is calling him a bust? Check the title of the thread. This was supposed to be a homage to the best RB in the 2014 draft. Early on we had numerous favorable comparisons of Sankey to McCoy, Rice, and a healthy Best. He was supposed to be a locked-in starter and bell cow RB. Some were assuring us he was a bonafide stud and that his 4th/5th round draft slot was a steal. Lately there have been direct comparisons to Murray.What has he shown in the NFL to date that supports any of that? And from what we have seen of him so far is spot on with the more objective scouting reports - he isn't good between the tackles, doesn't push the pile, goes down easily on first contact, doesn't have vision and imagination, and looks like part of a RBBC.Only one game in, and people are already calling him a bust
I thought when you drafted Sankey you already assumed he wasnt going to get any run until later in the season...why the freak out now?
That's not to say he can't play in the NFL. He has a place as a valuable cog. But stud bell cow? Not remotely close right now.
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Dondante
Footballguy
biju
Footballguy
But you're doing exactly what you're trying to call out, right? He *can* be the best RB in the draft and not have an opportunity yet. For example, I suspect there aren't a majority of folks claiming Allen Hurns is the best WR from the last draft class (he wasn't even drafted) just because Sammy Watkins went 3/30 last week.The Strawman argument yet again? Who is calling him a bust? Check the title of the thread. This was supposed to be a homage to the best RB in the 2014 draft. Early on we had numerous favorable comparisons of Sankey to McCoy, Rice, and a healthy Best. He was supposed to be a locked-in starter and bell cow RB. Some were assuring us he was a bonafide stud and that his 4th/5th round draft slot was a steal. Lately there have been direct comparisons to Murray.What has he shown in the NFL to date that supports any of that? And from what we have seen of him so far is spot on with the more objective scouting reports - he isn't good between the tackles, doesn't push the pile, goes down easily on first contact, doesn't have vision and imagination, and looks like part of a RBBC.Only one game in, and people are already calling him a bust
I thought when you drafted Sankey you already assumed he wasnt going to get any run until later in the season...why the freak out now?
That's not to say he can't play in the NFL. He has a place as a valuable cog. But stud bell cow? Not remotely close right now.
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Now, I'm not saying this is actually the case either. I was high on Sankey and pretty down on Hyde based on O-line differences but I'm reversing course based on what I've seen so far. However we're one game into both of their careers so it's difficult to make any assumptions *either way*. I almost wish we could just lock this thread up until week 8 and then let Brewtown and all duke it out.
This.people were drafting him in the 4th/5th round, no one was assuming he was going to be 4th string and unusable. he clearly wasn't worth the draft pick where he was being taken atOnly one game in, and people are already calling him a bust
I thought when you drafted Sankey you already assumed he wasnt going to get any run until later in the season...why the freak out now?
Him sucking is entirely different then him not even being used.
If the Titans don't feel comfortable using their 2nd rd rb (1st overall) for more then 10 snaps in a game, they made a ridiculously bad draft pick.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
By that logic, any RB in this draft class "can" be the best RB in this draft.But you're doing exactly what you're trying to call out, right? He *can* be the best RB in the draft and not have an opportunity yet. .The Strawman argument yet again? Who is calling him a bust? Check the title of the thread. This was supposed to be a homage to the best RB in the 2014 draft. Early on we had numerous favorable comparisons of Sankey to McCoy, Rice, and a healthy Best. He was supposed to be a locked-in starter and bell cow RB. Some were assuring us he was a bonafide stud and that his 4th/5th round draft slot was a steal. Lately there have been direct comparisons to Murray.What has he shown in the NFL to date that supports any of that? And from what we have seen of him so far is spot on with the more objective scouting reports - he isn't good between the tackles, doesn't push the pile, goes down easily on first contact, doesn't have vision and imagination, and looks like part of a RBBC.Only one game in, and people are already calling him a bust
I thought when you drafted Sankey you already assumed he wasnt going to get any run until later in the season...why the freak out now?
That's not to say he can't play in the NFL. He has a place as a valuable cog. But stud bell cow? Not remotely close right now.
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I'm basing my judgment from what we have seen so far in his play against NFL players, both on his team in how he gets an opportunity and opponents with what he does with the opportunity.
It's not wishful thinking or imagination. We've seen him in 5 games against NFL caliber defenses so far. His weaknesses are real, just as his strengths are real. It's almost amusing hearing him compared to proven NFL prime RB1s by the same people who say Greene sucks - and yet Sankey can't carve out a meaningful role. How exactly does one rationalize that?
biju
Footballguy
You're correct--every player is still in the running effectively. I personally would discount the 4 preseason games a bit, but I don't have any problems with anyone using all of the data available to date. Hell, maybe Hurns is all of that 4/104/2 and more.By that logic, any RB in this draft class "can" be the best RB in this draft.But you're doing exactly what you're trying to call out, right? He *can* be the best RB in the draft and not have an opportunity yet. .The Strawman argument yet again? Who is calling him a bust? Check the title of the thread. This was supposed to be a homage to the best RB in the 2014 draft. Early on we had numerous favorable comparisons of Sankey to McCoy, Rice, and a healthy Best. He was supposed to be a locked-in starter and bell cow RB. Some were assuring us he was a bonafide stud and that his 4th/5th round draft slot was a steal. Lately there have been direct comparisons to Murray.What has he shown in the NFL to date that supports any of that? And from what we have seen of him so far is spot on with the more objective scouting reports - he isn't good between the tackles, doesn't push the pile, goes down easily on first contact, doesn't have vision and imagination, and looks like part of a RBBC.Only one game in, and people are already calling him a bust
I thought when you drafted Sankey you already assumed he wasnt going to get any run until later in the season...why the freak out now?
That's not to say he can't play in the NFL. He has a place as a valuable cog. But stud bell cow? Not remotely close right now.
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I'm basing my judgment from what we have seen so far in his play against NFL players, both on his team in how he gets an opportunity and opponents with what he does with the opportunity.
It's not wishful thinking or imagination. We've seen him in 5 games against NFL caliber defenses so far. His weaknesses are real, just as his strengths are real. It's almost amusing hearing him compared to proven NFL prime RB1s by the same people who say Greene sucks - and yet Sankey can't carve out a meaningful role. How exactly does one rationalize that?
I suspect you know this: I'm certainly not trying to rationalize anything and I've already admitted to being wrong so far. I would say that Greene's numbers aren't all they seem but given he's up against some pretty weak defenses in the early part of the year I don't see him giving up his role any time soon. I think it's going to take an injury to get Sankey any meaningful touches before week 10 or so, or for the team to completely fall apart to the point of they might as well get the rookies some playing time.
It's been 1 game.
I'm not saying that he is going to be Eddie Lacy or Gio Bernard, but neither of them set the world on fire in game 1.
If he was drafted to start immediately, that was a mistake. The plan should have been for him to be a ff factor in the 2nd half of the season.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I'm not sure many FFers drafted a starting RB with some hope of some production sometime later in the season.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Same here, but I am going to wait another week to see how the Peterson situation is going to be handled.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
FWIW--I just dropped Sankey in a 10 team ppr redraft for Gerhart (an owner dropped him assuming he was going to miss some major time). The funny thing is that I don't feel that great about the move. I drafted Sankey as my first bench rb--and had pretty much assumed his value would come a few weeks into the season--so I wouldn't be surprised if this move ends up costing me in the future.
Manster
Footballguy
Bottomline, if you drafted Sankey, you should have snagged Greene.
Rookies get so over-hyped, that the expectations become unattainable. Then after one or two weeks people bail. I remember when people were thinking Tre Mason was going to come into St Louis and immediately compete with Stacy for the starting job.......Nope! He's a dynasty stash, with hopes he'll develop into a total NFL RB.
Rookies get so over-hyped, that the expectations become unattainable. Then after one or two weeks people bail. I remember when people were thinking Tre Mason was going to come into St Louis and immediately compete with Stacy for the starting job.......Nope! He's a dynasty stash, with hopes he'll develop into a total NFL RB.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don't think you had to draft Greene so much as had to draft him (assuming you drafted in late August) knowing that he wasn't going to be a viable start early in the year and it was a guy that you might have to wait a 4-6 weeks on to see how it plays out.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
Preseason numbers are quite meaningless.By that logic, any RB in this draft class "can" be the best RB in this draft.But you're doing exactly what you're trying to call out, right? He *can* be the best RB in the draft and not have an opportunity yet. .The Strawman argument yet again? Who is calling him a bust? Check the title of the thread. This was supposed to be a homage to the best RB in the 2014 draft. Early on we had numerous favorable comparisons of Sankey to McCoy, Rice, and a healthy Best. He was supposed to be a locked-in starter and bell cow RB. Some were assuring us he was a bonafide stud and that his 4th/5th round draft slot was a steal. Lately there have been direct comparisons to Murray.What has he shown in the NFL to date that supports any of that? And from what we have seen of him so far is spot on with the more objective scouting reports - he isn't good between the tackles, doesn't push the pile, goes down easily on first contact, doesn't have vision and imagination, and looks like part of a RBBC.Only one game in, and people are already calling him a bust
I thought when you drafted Sankey you already assumed he wasnt going to get any run until later in the season...why the freak out now?
That's not to say he can't play in the NFL. He has a place as a valuable cog. But stud bell cow? Not remotely close right now.
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I'm basing my judgment from what we have seen so far in his play against NFL players, both on his team in how he gets an opportunity and opponents with what he does with the opportunity.
It's not wishful thinking or imagination. We've seen him in 5 games against NFL caliber defenses so far. His weaknesses are real, just as his strengths are real. It's almost amusing hearing him compared to proven NFL prime RB1s by the same people who say Greene sucks - and yet Sankey can't carve out a meaningful role. How exactly does one rationalize that?
Determining that a guy sucks after less than 10 carries of regular season work is a stretch.
It seems like you are deferring to the coaching staff, but I, and a lot of people in this thread, have little respect for the Wiz's intelligence and/or player evaluation skills.
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Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Lacy didn't have a lot of carries week one but had a TD, had the concussion week 2, than was a workhorse from his third game on (missed a game due to the concussion protocol).
Bernard was getting 15 touches a game (with a few exceptions) by week 3.
Week 3 might be a good barometer to see if/how Sankey's work load is progressing relative to Lacy and Bernard at a comparable stage of their respective rookie seasons.
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Well, unfortunately Wisenhunt makes the decisions. That ought to be a part of your evaluation.Preseason numbers are quite meaningless.By that logic, any RB in this draft class "can" be the best RB in this draft.I'm basing my judgment from what we have seen so far in his play against NFL players, both on his team in how he gets an opportunity and opponents with what he does with the opportunity.But you're doing exactly what you're trying to call out, right? He *can* be the best RB in the draft and not have an opportunity yet. .The Strawman argument yet again? Who is calling him a bust? Check the title of the thread. This was supposed to be a homage to the best RB in the 2014 draft. Early on we had numerous favorable comparisons of Sankey to McCoy, Rice, and a healthy Best. He was supposed to be a locked-in starter and bell cow RB. Some were assuring us he was a bonafide stud and that his 4th/5th round draft slot was a steal. Lately there have been direct comparisons to Murray.What has he shown in the NFL to date that supports any of that? And from what we have seen of him so far is spot on with the more objective scouting reports - he isn't good between the tackles, doesn't push the pile, goes down easily on first contact, doesn't have vision and imagination, and looks like part of a RBBC.Only one game in, and people are already calling him a bust
I thought when you drafted Sankey you already assumed he wasnt going to get any run until later in the season...why the freak out now?
That's not to say he can't play in the NFL. He has a place as a valuable cog. But stud bell cow? Not remotely close right now.
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It's not wishful thinking or imagination. We've seen him in 5 games against NFL caliber defenses so far. His weaknesses are real, just as his strengths are real. It's almost amusing hearing him compared to proven NFL prime RB1s by the same people who say Greene sucks - and yet Sankey can't carve out a meaningful role. How exactly does one rationalize that?
Determining that a guy sucks after less than 10 carries of regular season work is a stretch.
It seems like you are deferring to the coaching staff, but I, and a lot of people in this thread, have little respect for the Wiz's intelligence and/or player evaluation skills.
And preseason numbers are meaningless. Watching a young player's ability and progression against NFL players in the preseason is not meaningless, as is seeing how his coaching staff uses him. Good FFers understand how to utilize preseason games.
RhymesMcJuice
Footballguy
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
Of course. I, any many other Sankey owners, hope that he'll eventually utilize him or that he'll be forced to use him due to injury.
I'm a more than a little skeptical of someone's ability to assess a player's ability and progression based on a few carries in the preseason. Rare exceptions I can think of are cases where someone is comically bad or does things that are eye opening amazing and neither appears to be the case with Sankey.
Xue
Footballguy
AgentMulder
Footballguy
You guys starting Spankey this week?
To me, the alarming thing is that he got drafted by the current coaching staff, is a rb (rbs usually can contribute as rookies b/c it is the least complicated position), and is currently behind both Greene AND McCluster. Now, if he were on another team and was behind an established starter or even someone who had been in the program for a long time, I could understand that. But that is not the case here, even if you have not watched him once you know that he is behind Greene and McCluster, two rbs that could be described as journeymen at best. To me, that is the most damning evidence. A good example is Monte Ball, he was in a similar situation, yet still managed to be the primary back up. And for those of you who say Moreno was a journeyman, he was on the ropes certainly, but had still been with the program for three years, that counts for something, so it makes sense that he got the first shot.
I know it is early. I think today's game will tell us a lot. If he only gets in for like 3 carries, I would drop him in redraft. Dynasty is a whole 'nother animal, because who knows what happens next year.
I know it is early. I think today's game will tell us a lot. If he only gets in for like 3 carries, I would drop him in redraft. Dynasty is a whole 'nother animal, because who knows what happens next year.
GoBirds
Footballguy
I like Hill way better because the coaches have emphatically stated that he will be sharing time with Gio (I also have no bias here because I own Gio). I watched a good deal of the last game and I think he got shorted carries because it was a close game in the division, and the coaches probably did not want to risk a turnover due to butterflies. If he is on your waiver, I would think hard about grabbing him right now as a lottery ticket, as he will produce good numbers some weeks and will be a STUD in any game that Gio misses. I will admit, I only watched Stanky in one preseason game and he looked sort of 'meh'. I just think he would have gotten more burn last week if the coaches thought more of him.
Like I said though, we will see. Greene pretty much did nothing last week, so there might be a reversal of fortune here. I would be leery if he does not get touches in a game against a non - conference opponent that has an atrocious defense.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Yeah, just like there are a lot of quiet folks in the 50-page Christine Michael thread.
