dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Don't understand why he fell so far, but I got him as my RB2 at 5.09 in a recent 12 team dynasty startup.
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'm thinking Spiller is going to have his biggest season as a pro this year.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Monsters of the Midway
Footballguy
5th round! I took him at 3.10 (38th overall) in a recent dyno startup, and am feeling good about it.
matttyl
Footballguy
He's pretty good at catching the ball.I guess that means they will pass more.
OC Zed
Footballguy
Here is a breakdown on the percentage of touches to snaps for Spiller in 2013. You'd have to think that the ankle injury had a lot to do with this skewed amount...
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-analysis-all-22/2014/7/5/5861940/cj-spiller-stats-runs-targets-per-snaps-played-2013
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-analysis-all-22/2014/7/5/5861940/cj-spiller-stats-runs-targets-per-snaps-played-2013
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yeah I think his HIS was a serious value killer last year. This year will more closely resemble 2012.
matttyl
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
hope his ADP stays low through draft season. Ill be snagging him in PPR/hi performance leagues left n right
pmccurry
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
fools gold
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
"We don't like to make judgements on small sample sizes, but we're going to make a definitive verdict on Spiller based on one carry in the first preseason game."
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I would fire a lot of people in the Bills organization if Spiller would have had a lot of touches in that game.
C.J. Spiller hopes to stay with Buffalo Bills in 2014:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000374302/article/cj-spiller-hopes-to-stay-with-buffalo-bills-in-2014
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000374302/article/cj-spiller-hopes-to-stay-with-buffalo-bills-in-2014
As great as Rotoworld is as a source of info-nuggets, it is equally bad in its often biased and superficial analyses.
The fact that Fred Jackson was on the field so much in the first quarter is the bigger story. Obviously, he knows the offense, nothing to prove, is old, getting injury-prone. Yet they chose to put him in over Spiller on most plays. Why? My guess is that if I were building a run-heavy offense to feature a fast, home-run type of back (who is also in a contract year), I would be very unlikely to use said back much in Game 1 of the preseason and risk some stupid injury like a pulled hamstring.
Much more likely: I'd put in the experienced backup guy to go through the motions with the 1s for 10 minutes and then move on to the third-stringers.
The fact that Fred Jackson was on the field so much in the first quarter is the bigger story. Obviously, he knows the offense, nothing to prove, is old, getting injury-prone. Yet they chose to put him in over Spiller on most plays. Why? My guess is that if I were building a run-heavy offense to feature a fast, home-run type of back (who is also in a contract year), I would be very unlikely to use said back much in Game 1 of the preseason and risk some stupid injury like a pulled hamstring.
Much more likely: I'd put in the experienced backup guy to go through the motions with the 1s for 10 minutes and then move on to the third-stringers.
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LittlePhatty
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Might as well be since Nate Hackett clearly has NO clue on how to use him, it's unreal. Between the tackles over and over and over. And then lots of screens to Jackson but none to Spiller. It's insane.
Game Time
Footballguy
Has any reporter ever asked during a news conference about this??? I should come up there and interview Marrone and Hackett... first thing I'd ask them is why is he used like this???
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
2014 and ppl still looking for gailey production from spiller - lolz
Awful Waffle
Footballguy
Interesting. http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2014/4/14/5613628/eagles-trade-c-j-spiller-bills-darren-sproles
Really like Sproles, but I think Spiller in that offense would be amazing.
OC Zed
Footballguy
Buffalo Rumblings did a good analysis of Spiller's runs last year... They did call a number of outside runs that Spiller was never able to get to the corner on because the blocking was so poor. I don't think the line is going to be any better this year given how their off-season moves for the line have all backfired (not counting Henderson as he's still a reserve).
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Given that I am unsure of what his usage will be (I dont think preseason is a great indication of exactly how he will be used, but it might be, so have to factor that in), and that the Bills offense sucks in general, probably a lot lower on Spiller now than ever before.
He seems like more of a best-ball type of value at RB where he will score well a few games and like a turd in the rest.
He seems like more of a best-ball type of value at RB where he will score well a few games and like a turd in the rest.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Love Spiller this year.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Agreed. People reading too much into vanilla offense and preseason usage. As usual.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yeah what they should be looking at is his 2012 footage. Last year he played on a bum leg.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Well Gid bless ya man. I've drafted him in one best ball league and one head-to-head but he's off my daft list now. I'll let someone else take him round three and tear get Jackson much later. I went through this last year. May as well draft DMC in round 10. I wouldn't be surprised if they are the finish about the same.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Killed me last year, off my board this year. FJax 5-6 rounds later seems like a much better play.
zamboni
Footballguy
If Fred goes down, they might just slot Bryce Brown into his role and keep Spiller's touches relatively the same.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yeah he's a poor man's Ellington. Just like he was in 2012 when he got 1600 yards on 250 touches. That's the kind of season he's in for.
matuski
Footballguy
buck naked
Footballguy
While that is correct, you cannot ignore what his usage was last year along with Fred Jackson and that is has been exactly the same two games into preseason. Its mind-boggling.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Not the same team. Briggs, Tillman, DJ Williams; Jared Allen; Kyle Fuller; Ryan Mundy; 2 rookie DTs (Sutton; Henderson) were not on the team last year for the 2nd half when their run D fell to bottom.leftcoastguy7 said:
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Agreed. But when you are a speed back who doesn't have speed, that's tough sledding.
I think you're expecting too much here.
Fred Jackson is likely going to be a bigger factor now than he was in 2012 and the entire coaching staff has changed since then. Not to mention some big changes on the offensive line.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Maybe. We'll see. How many touches are you thinking for Spiller? 250 isn't that much really. He had 230 last year on a bum ankle. That's only 1 touch per game more. What I'm thinking is that his speed will be back and with that will come more touchdowns. I doubt a healthy Spiller is used less this season than last year. Expecting a bump of 1 touch per game isn't anything really considering how hurt he was last year.
Comparing Spiller's 2012
season to his 2013 
season, we see that he had 6 more carries in 2012, but 300 more yards than he did in 2013. He had 9 more catches but 250 more yards. That's not usage based, the usage was arguably equal, that a dip in efficiency. I think that speaks more to his injury than to anything Fred Jackson did. Fred can just keep on keeping on like he has been (but he's older and father time is knocking) and Spiller could jump from RB27 to RB10 just by bouncing back and breaking off those long runs again. In 2012 Spiller had 12 carries of over 20 yards (6.0 avg), in 2013 he dropped to 9. That's not a huge drop but it's 60 yards. If those long ones end in scores, you are looking at potentially 60 more yards and 3 more touchdowns. Or put another way, he finishes 8 spots higher and in the Top 20. And that's without adding anything to his receiving numbers, which should also improve.
Look at it this way, this thread was started on October 3, 2013. I think the injury occurred in Week 2 or 3 (can somebody confirm this) but the team kind of denied it and kept saying he was in the game plan.
So if that's when it occurred, it means that he played the vast majority of his 2013 on a bum ankle. I don't think it ever healed. When Spiller was given rest he was able to roll out 18 fantasy points against the Chiefs and 24 against the Falcons in weeks 9 and 14 respectively.
Which is just a long way of saying, gamble on Spiller this season. He's healthy, super fast, contract motivated, and he's playing alongside an old man. Pay no attention to the injury marred 2012 campaign.
Comparing Spiller's 2012
season to his 2013 season, we see that he had 6 more carries in 2012, but 300 more yards than he did in 2013. He had 9 more catches but 250 more yards. That's not usage based, the usage was arguably equal, that a dip in efficiency. I think that speaks more to his injury than to anything Fred Jackson did. Fred can just keep on keeping on like he has been (but he's older and father time is knocking) and Spiller could jump from RB27 to RB10 just by bouncing back and breaking off those long runs again. In 2012 Spiller had 12 carries of over 20 yards (6.0 avg), in 2013 he dropped to 9. That's not a huge drop but it's 60 yards. If those long ones end in scores, you are looking at potentially 60 more yards and 3 more touchdowns. Or put another way, he finishes 8 spots higher and in the Top 20. And that's without adding anything to his receiving numbers, which should also improve.Look at it this way, this thread was started on October 3, 2013. I think the injury occurred in Week 2 or 3 (can somebody confirm this) but the team kind of denied it and kept saying he was in the game plan.
So if that's when it occurred, it means that he played the vast majority of his 2013 on a bum ankle. I don't think it ever healed. When Spiller was given rest he was able to roll out 18 fantasy points against the Chiefs and 24 against the Falcons in weeks 9 and 14 respectively.
Which is just a long way of saying, gamble on Spiller this season. He's healthy, super fast, contract motivated, and he's playing alongside an old man. Pay no attention to the injury marred 2012 campaign.
