joffer
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Well sure there’s the one I sport during the purge, but I don’t think that will help here.
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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (8 Viewers)
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I have quite a few from when I blew in insulation and removed a bunch of grout. I also kept a box in my car because some places I visited required me to wear one.
shader
Footballguy
I don't get Germany. I see them listing 2 serious/critical cases. That literally cannot be accurate unless they have a treatment no one else knows about.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not everyone has emergency accounts. I thought something like 40-50% of people survive paycheck to paycheck. People can only be out thousands of dollars a month in income for only so long.
In our house, we just put 4 kids through college and have another starting in the fall. Like many others, our 401Ks and investments took a huge hit. We could probably go a month drawing from rainy day / emergency funds. But I would guess this is way more severe than most people planned for in terms of an emergency / crisis situation.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Cuomo is right. Shelter in place is an improper, no longer used, phrase. Essential services need to continue, of course.
Here's where I'm at (below). Repeat from an earlier post. I admit I look at people walking on beaches, drinking in bars, as a problem and people who put my and my family's health at risk. People who are flippant about it are not fully informed, in my opinion. I am definitely on the panic end of the spectrum, but I'm also calm about it. Natural selection will take care of the dopes, but unfortunately they will also take out some of those who are engaging best practices.
Bay Area guy here (East Bay). Been indoors since Monday evening with a family of four. Had a pretty full pantry, and added some things with instacart and costco. Now have 1 month of food for all of us.
I am very serious about staying indoors and I even chastised my wife for taking a pitstop today after picking up some eggs at my brothers house. I have a clock that started Monday night with respect to exposure. When she goes out and interacts, my clock starts over in effect.
There's a developing social stigma with being out aside for some basics, like going grocery shopping, getting gas or walking a pet. If you are out and about and enjoying yourself through, for example, socializing, you may be made to feel bad about it (if you care).
It may be illogical to think anyone can keep anybody indoors. Frankly, IDGAF. I'm keeping my family indoors to keep them from the idiots that think they can be outdoors, government guidance be damned.
Still a lot of dummies out there. %*$# gonna get real in about 4-5 days.
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Doug B
Footballguy
Commonly, but not always.
Think of it like this: the flu is well-known and has been studied via modern medical research methods for roughly 100 years. There is a long history of what flu has done to mankind. All that data can be aggregated, and therefore numbers averaged out over many data sets can be provided. But those averages don't necessarily have anything to tell about how a given village or area will fare in the face of a flu outbreak -- especially a new strain.
Mortality rate is not intrinsic to any virus. Contributing factors always matter at a micro-level.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I've had many family members die from a variety of things including sacrificing their lives abroad so we can have the pleasure of posting and debating slightly different views here. I don't need to know someone who is sick or dies form this to understand why we need to take some precautions but sending the other 98% left behind that are perfectly healthy after to live in a possible Depression that could last years, that seems like a big price tag to save people that already are partly sick to begin with.
Perfectly healthy people will fall ill and die, but it won't be the majority. Just like perfectly healthy people fall to cancer or the flu or many other ailments.
I don't want to fight with you A99, we both have spouses that work in hospitals and are likely more exposed to this right now than potentially other folks. Lets be honest. If people could abide by the social distancing and some of the other guidelines it wouldn't be such a big deal but we both know that the average human being cannot and will not even in the face of spreading this flu that could kill someone they love, even with that they will do things like what we saw on the beaches/Spring Break etc and we could go on and on with examples, it's not just young folks. For example, I don't think the 1 hour Grocery Store for Seniors to feel comfy is a real good idea. They are just as likely to catch it at 7AM as they are 1PM but we're all just going to go along with it and act like these are great ideas.
"What we are trying to avoid"...that just sounds goofy my friend. We should include everyone so if you're "We" is a few people that think they are woke or in the know or understand this thing better than everyone else, that just seems like classic elitist thinking and opens you up for ridicule which you are used to and can defend yourself.
I do want to hear about any updates you have within the hospitals. They have had ZERO cases of the virus at my wife's hospital but I anticipate that changing. And to a larger picture we haven't had anybody turned away from any hospitals down here yet...doesn't mean it's not coming.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm wondering what's going on with their numbers too and why more isn't being talked about it.
matttyl
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
I'm thinking it's a reporting thing, in that they don't report them. But I can't explain where the two came from in the first place. SK is likely the same
Penguin
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
German expert warns there may be no more football [soccer] ... this year
A virologist in Germany has warned that it is “not realistic” to expect football to return in 2020.
That’s right, no more football for the rest of the year.
Professor Jonas Schmidt-Chanasit of the Bernhard-Nocht-Institut in Hamburg insisted he cannot see football returning in Germany before the winter.
It can't be that great in Germany, if there are any talks, even preliminary, of shutting down soccer until 2021.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
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Footballguy
Sorry you're going through this. I agree. The impact this is having on families across the country is tremendous and I mean that in a negative way.
Bad take. Walking on the beach away from people isn't putting your family at risk. Get out of here with that.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
While the practical reality is likely as you state it, it is probably in everyone's best interest morale and mental health wise to at least think / hope it be over and done in a few weeks. I would guess things will be inconvenient (but mostly tolerable) as long as people think this could be over quickly. But once people connect the dots, things could start to go south quickly, especially if it the virus hasn't spread everywhere yet. People not seeing an impact but out of work or staying home will get testy.
From a morale standpoint, I don't know which would be harder to deal with . . . not a lot going on and things looking overblown . . . or things getting really bad with thousands of people dying and more and more cases piling up.
jhib
Footballguy
This is one area where I'm actually ahead of the game. I've had horrible home haircuts for over 20 years.
Statorama
Footballguy
Flying Elvis
Footballguy
Unfortunately, it looks to me like each state is waiting until it's obvious they need to shut down and, by not acting early, are effectively ensuring it's option 2: "things getting really bad with thousands of people dying and more and more cases piling up."
Flying Elvis
Footballguy
585 cases. Well done, Illinois. That has to be the lowest state total to enact lockdown, correct?
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Footballguy
My point is beaches should be closed because people, particularly the young (I, too, felt invincible when I was 22) are proving to be irresponsible enough to actually use a beach with proper social responsibility. Anywhere people congregate is a place that presents risk, and we should be minimizing risk (gatherings went from 1,000, to 500, to 100, to 50, to 10 to basically 0 people, which is where we should be).
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Yes! And I haven't looked at the pattern of death rates, but it surely isn't constant, escalating when resources are taxed.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Mortality "rate" is the proportion of people in a population who die within a given period of time (regardless of cause). Case fatality rate is the proportion of people with a disease who die because of that disease. The difference is in the denominator (i.e. mortality is total population and case fatality is among people with the disease). The latter generally tries to attribute the death due to the disease. Case fatality generally doesn't apply as much when dealing with Chronic diseases because there are typically a lot of underlying issues going on with these individuals to attempt to attribute the death to a singular cause. That could be the case for acute diseases as well but to a lesser extent.
Doug B
Footballguy
Countries are all over the place with serious/critical case reporting. I used to put a lot of stock in those numbers ... until someone pointed out that South Korea's numbers always stayed the same. They never added new serious/critical cases -- it stayed at 52 forever.
Iran has never reported on serious/critical cases.
Let me guess...you are basing your opinion on that video from earlier this week in Clearwater Beach?
Not every beach is packed with spring breakers. They can enforce rules without totally shutting something down. This is just a silly, massive overreaction.
rick6668
Footballguy
Son asked if he could go to the neighbors and play hockey outside in the street. Was hesitant, but then told him as long as you wear gloves and stay within 6 ft, basically take shots and don't handle the ball/puck with his hands then it was fine.
He went out for 30 minutes. Thoughts?
He went out for 30 minutes. Thoughts?
Alex P Keaton
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Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Just had my home appraisal done, had a few minor fixes, ran up to Home Depot and got all of that taken care of
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Footballguy
You can probably tell from my other postings where I stand on this. Like Cuomo said yesterday, "Risk Reward", or put another way, what's the upside vs. downside?
I know what my kids have been exposed to in the last 5ish days, I don't know what others have and that's where I mitigate risk as much as possible. If I don't know, then the answer is no.
Flying Elvis
Footballguy
Depends on the age and thoughtfulness of the kids, honestly. I have an 11 year old that would tell me "Ok Dad, I'll keep my distance" then immediately be wrestling with his friends, one of which lives with their great-grandparents that fall into the high-risk category. Ok for all involved to keep some sanity but only if they can actually adhere to rules.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Please have everyone stay at home because clearly we aren’t able to exhibit proper behavior as a nation, ruining it for everyone.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
"Gov. Ron DeSantis issued an executive order on Friday, directing all movie theaters, concert houses, auditoriums, playhouses, bowling alleys, arcades, gymnasiums, fitness studios and beaches to close in Palm Beach County.
The executive order extends into Broward County.
The closures will expire on March 31, but may be renewed, according to the order.
The order went on to say that county administration could enforce, relax, modify or remove the closures as they see fit.
The order goes on to say that all restaurants, bars, pubs, night clubs, banquet halls, cabarets, breweries, cafeterias and any other business that serves food or alcohol must suspend on-premises operations.
Restaurants can only serve on a delivery or to-go basis. The executive order also allows restaurants to sell alcoholic drinks on a to-go basis."
"I'll be back in a few minutes, yeah fill that tall 22 oz coffee mug with the good stuff and I'll be right back for my next to-go order."
The executive order extends into Broward County.
The closures will expire on March 31, but may be renewed, according to the order.
The order went on to say that county administration could enforce, relax, modify or remove the closures as they see fit.
The order goes on to say that all restaurants, bars, pubs, night clubs, banquet halls, cabarets, breweries, cafeterias and any other business that serves food or alcohol must suspend on-premises operations.
Restaurants can only serve on a delivery or to-go basis. The executive order also allows restaurants to sell alcoholic drinks on a to-go basis."
"I'll be back in a few minutes, yeah fill that tall 22 oz coffee mug with the good stuff and I'll be right back for my next to-go order."
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Ok.
Regardless, this is frightening.
“If I get corona, I get corona,” Sluder told CBS News. “At the end of the day, I’m not gonna let it stop me from partying.”
“It’s really messing up with my spring break,” Wisconsin’s Brianna Leeder told the news folks. “I think they’re blowing it way out of proportions; it’s doing way too much.”
“We need a refund,” he told CBS News. “This virus ain’t that serious. There’s more serious stuff out there like hunger and poverty. We need to address that.”
Shaft41
Footballguy
rick6668
Footballguy
He's 16. I've been hammering it home the last 7 days how important it is. They stopped playing and 2 of the kids sat down in the one kids garage. My son came home. So I think he gets it.
If it was football/basketball, there would have been no way. I thought this was reasonable.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
It's not ideal. But you can't keep your family locked up forever.
I wouldn't be as worried about getting it from the puck as I'd be worried about getting it from a droplet from another kid.
He should wash his hands thoroughly the moment he comes inside the house, and you should keep disinfectant wipes by the door so you can wipe off the doorknob and anything else he may have touched.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
SWC
Bromigo
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
There are other scenarios which are worse. We’re headed for those. Unfortunately we’re not doing this right. This week was big and we blew it. Sorry for the pessimism, but we definitely didn’t do the South Korea thing and we’re actually handling it worse than Italy.
Galileo
Footballguy
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Thank God we still have some semblance of industrial capacity in the U.S. to pull this off. Hopefully this will change for the better in this regard after this pandemic.
Jobber
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