Texasmouth
Footballguy
Last night was a perfect example. The Redskins were blitzing the crap out of Romo. Where was the damn adjustments to that? He even had a half time to figure it out.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
This is a joke. Look at his stats. Hell, look at this 4th quarter stats.People just decide what big games are, and single out the ones in which Romo struggled. What about all the other 4th quarter games which are close? Look at his TD/INT ratio in 4th quarters as a whole. Look at the teams +/- in the 4th quarter. The Cowboys offensive line lost this game; not Romo.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
He has one of the best 4th quarter QBRs in the league during his time starting. You set the criteria, I'll pull the stats. But from what I have looked at, you're simply wrong. He plays very well when the game is on the line.Because of who he is this stigma has been unfairly applied. We call his 5 INT games "big games" and seem to ignore his 300/3TD games in similar situations. But set a fair criteria, and look at his stats. He is great in the 4th and has a very high number of comeback wins.
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Texasmouth
Footballguy
OK, show me his numbers and how he won the "win and in" big games. Those are the ones that matter. No one gives two craps about how he plays in the 4th quarter when there isnt anything on the line. Win and in against Eagles----sucked. Win and in against Giants? Misses Austin on a sure TD. Win and in against Washington--3 picks--one with the game on the line after the defense FINALLY makes a huge play.The guy is good enough to give you hope but craps on us every time he is in this situation.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
2011, the Cowboys needed to win two of the final 3 games to make the playoffs. Romo missed one of those games due to injury. Bucs: 23/30 250 3/0Giants: 29/37 290 2/1The week before, when the Cowboys would have put a nail in the Giants coffinGiants: 21/31 320 4/02010: Injured2009:Eagles: 24/34 311 2/1Eagles: 23/35 250 2/0Minny: 22/35 200 0/1 (Sacked 6 times, and I wish I had the hit/hurried numbers)
fatness
Footballguy
I kept wondering that too. The Redskins kept getting pressure right up the middle against Romo (which is about the best way to disrupt a QB) and the Cowboys seemed to change nothing to stop it.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
I do not want Norv. He runs the same offense that Garrett runs. What has Norv done to help Rivers become a better QB and be less mistake prone? Whatever it is or was...it wasn't working.
Romo does NOT fit the Coryell system plain and simple. I would rather run Callahan's offense if I had to choose. I don't understand why we still need Garrett at this point?
Romo does NOT fit the Coryell system plain and simple. I would rather run Callahan's offense if I had to choose. I don't understand why we still need Garrett at this point?
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Point taken. Garrett---> Gone. Lets do it.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Sadly, it ain't happening. I fully expect Jerrah to announce Norv within the week with a big cheesey grin.We have another tough schedule next year.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
I dont agreee that Romo doesnt fit the system. He threw for almost 5000 yards again this year. The problem is his decision making and protection. Not the system. I would be excited to have Norv here working with Romo. I dont think Norv can be a head coach and I dont think Garrett can be an OC. Maybe combined they will be great.
If it's not Norv, it may be Chan Gailey again.
Another ex-HC that Jerry can control. 
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Not a chance.If it's not Norv, it may be Chan Gailey again.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
In all seriousness...think Rivers..very Romoesque himself. How has Norv help his development? How many wins there in SD???Please...stop with the 90's amnesia. We aren't running the ten yard out route and lead draw every other play. Norv is no miracle worker.
simmonjm
Footballguy
I especially like Blogging the Boys website they do an excellent job breaking down the plays and play calls. Over the course of the season Garrett had the right playcall and guy was open and either Romo missed him, o-line broke down, or reciever dropped the ball. Put me on record that Garrett is going to be a great coach and has a bright future.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Draft Oline and defense. Sign a veteran Wr on the cheap for a WR3. There's not a lot out there coaching wise. I do not think we should fire Garrett just to do it if there isn't a guy out there that we really want. If you could get Saban, would you take him? I wouldn't, I'd hate that. I'd take Cowher and maybe Brian Billick or even Chucky but I don't think those guys want to coach, it's ashame we didn't go after the Rams coach when we had the chance.
simmonjm
Footballguy
Dwayne Harris will be the WR3 next year, you do need a vet WR though for the inevitable Miles Austin or Dez injury. Cowher, Chucky, and Billick scare me as HC candidates since they have been out of the game for so long. A lot has changed since they last coached. Oline more specifically RT is a must. DE needs an upgrade.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Team needs and team wants going into 2013. Needs, in my book, are things this team MUST have to be successful. Wants are things that sure would be good, but can be worked around if not addressed.
NEED OL upgrades. Four positions could use upgrading. I'm not sure it matters which ones as long as the overall talent gets upgraded. This team cannot win in the playoffs without major upgrades. By far the biggest NEED for this team.
Need/Want: Youth in the DL. Ratliff, Spears, Coleman, Hatcher. All over 30. Brent, in jail. All that's left is Lissemore, Crawford, and guys that were on practice squads to begin the year.
Need/Want: Developmental QB. Time to start seeing who will replace Romo in a couple of years.
Wants: Safety. Backup RB. Backup WR.
NEED OL upgrades. Four positions could use upgrading. I'm not sure it matters which ones as long as the overall talent gets upgraded. This team cannot win in the playoffs without major upgrades. By far the biggest NEED for this team.
Need/Want: Youth in the DL. Ratliff, Spears, Coleman, Hatcher. All over 30. Brent, in jail. All that's left is Lissemore, Crawford, and guys that were on practice squads to begin the year.
Need/Want: Developmental QB. Time to start seeing who will replace Romo in a couple of years.
Wants: Safety. Backup RB. Backup WR.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Dont want him to be the headcoach, I want him to be the offensive coordinator so Garrett can learn how to manage games, not just call plays. He put the team in bad situations time and time again. Norv Turner is a great offensive mind. He is not a great head coach.'Bankerguy said:
T Bell
Footballguy
Hey guys, long time no tease.
Anyway, you've got two problems at the HC/OC position, and only one of them is talent. We'll just take it as given that the ultimate problem is at the top with Jerry.
First, if you want to make a change it necessarily assumes that Garrett is going to have reduced duties if he's not fired outright (which seems unlikely). You simply can't demote him to OC and expect him to stick around, and even if he did he'd lose so much face that it would be a disaster. I think he's an average play-caller and is in over his head as both the HC and OC in his first head coaching gig, especially with such a high-profile and challenging job. I have no feel for whether he's got enough gumption to insist upon keeping his OC duties too or else threaten to leave.
Second, I would say that Norv would be a step up as a play-caller. I agree that he sucks as a head coach, but he's got a deservedly above-average (though still inflated) reputation as an OC, and that's better than Garrett. He's also proven to be good at handling QB's (again, more as an OC than a HC). The question again is whether Garrett would stick around, and also whether Norv would take a OC job instead of aiming to be someone's HC (or perhaps take a year off, though Norv's not known to do that).
I agree on drafting OL and defense, and I would also think that the Cowboys need to start thinking about an heir apparent to Romo to develop over the next 2-3 years.
Either way, it's going to be an interesting offseason, that's for sure.
Anyway, you've got two problems at the HC/OC position, and only one of them is talent. We'll just take it as given that the ultimate problem is at the top with Jerry.
First, if you want to make a change it necessarily assumes that Garrett is going to have reduced duties if he's not fired outright (which seems unlikely). You simply can't demote him to OC and expect him to stick around, and even if he did he'd lose so much face that it would be a disaster. I think he's an average play-caller and is in over his head as both the HC and OC in his first head coaching gig, especially with such a high-profile and challenging job. I have no feel for whether he's got enough gumption to insist upon keeping his OC duties too or else threaten to leave.
Second, I would say that Norv would be a step up as a play-caller. I agree that he sucks as a head coach, but he's got a deservedly above-average (though still inflated) reputation as an OC, and that's better than Garrett. He's also proven to be good at handling QB's (again, more as an OC than a HC). The question again is whether Garrett would stick around, and also whether Norv would take a OC job instead of aiming to be someone's HC (or perhaps take a year off, though Norv's not known to do that).
I agree on drafting OL and defense, and I would also think that the Cowboys need to start thinking about an heir apparent to Romo to develop over the next 2-3 years.
Either way, it's going to be an interesting offseason, that's for sure.
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OL is critical to the success of the Cowboys going forwrd and should be a #1 priority by Jerry.
Dallas has always done well when they can run and play action pass. When you can't run because you have a
piss poor O line, you get into 2nd or 3rd and long situations which kill you. A strong O line and a good run game, not great run game will help Tony and the offense get better. IF Murray stays healthy and we can find a scat back to replace Jones, we can move forward and be set at RB,WR,TE and QB. Not many teams can say that.
I'm optimistic that Jerry knows the clock is really running out and he needs to get some key positions fixed ASAP to consider making that run he always fantasizes about.
Dallas has always done well when they can run and play action pass. When you can't run because you have a
piss poor O line, you get into 2nd or 3rd and long situations which kill you. A strong O line and a good run game, not great run game will help Tony and the offense get better. IF Murray stays healthy and we can find a scat back to replace Jones, we can move forward and be set at RB,WR,TE and QB. Not many teams can say that.
I'm optimistic that Jerry knows the clock is really running out and he needs to get some key positions fixed ASAP to consider making that run he always fantasizes about.
culdeus
Footballguy
Even if you resign Romo and Witten stays healthy both those guys have at MOST 2 years left in their prime. Dez is prone to blowing up at any second and Murray/Austin are B+ ceilings with C- floors. Ware is also aging. What is left that you can see yourself building around in 2 years? Has anyone bothered to see what an ABORTION the draft was again this year? There is nothing coming to save Jerry. Nothing.
Draft a bunch of OL/DL and it's a process that needs to work itself out over a longer period than 1 year. This franchise is absolutely and utterly hopeless for the foreseeable future and they won just enough meaningless games to get a crappy draft pick (as if it matters).
Draft a bunch of OL/DL and it's a process that needs to work itself out over a longer period than 1 year. This franchise is absolutely and utterly hopeless for the foreseeable future and they won just enough meaningless games to get a crappy draft pick (as if it matters).
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I gotta' say, I don't disagree with any of this.
DevilDog919
Footballguy
We've got Claiborne, Lee, and Carter on defense. On offense we've got Dez and Tyron Smith. CB, ILB, ILB, WR, and LT is pretty significant positions to build around...I would say thats the key positions rebuilding teams would build around, other than QB. If we get lucky with a QB in the mid-rounds or free agency, it may not be a bad turnaround.I do agree that this team has at most 2 years to hit the Super Bowl though, and its not looking good since our cap is tight during those years.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
This could lead to some interesting speculation...
Rowan Kavner
DallasCowboys.com Staff Writer
IRVING, Texas – Quarterback Tony Romo might be the only Cowboys player or coach who can sit comfortably after listening to owner Jerry Jones on his weekly radio show.
Jones said Wednesday on 105.3 FM “The Fan” that change will be necessary after another 8-8 finish, but going a different direction at quarterback isn’t in those plans.
“I don’t like what’s on the other side of that page,” Jones said. “We’ve got better chances to get to the Super Bowl relative to Tony Romo.”
Rather than change the quarterback position, Jones’ focus is on figuring out a way to build around Romo to make him more comfortable as the signal caller. Romo finished No. 3 in the league with 4,903 passing yards and No. 10 in the league with a 90.5 passer rating, but he was tied for the NFL lead with 19 interceptions.
“We’ve got to have a way to play football that maximizes what Tony does the best,” Jones said. “I can assure our fans this, that it’s going to be very uncomfortable, from my standpoint, for the next few weeks and months at Valley Ranch.”
Jones won’t accept mediocrity, but he also won’t divulge what changes could happen until staff meetings occur at a later date and those plans are fully discussed. His patience wears thin every time the Cowboys miss out on the playoffs, but he also realizes a lack of patience isn’t the issue.
Read more: http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/ar...7-417289dea811
Rowan Kavner
DallasCowboys.com Staff Writer
IRVING, Texas – Quarterback Tony Romo might be the only Cowboys player or coach who can sit comfortably after listening to owner Jerry Jones on his weekly radio show.
Jones said Wednesday on 105.3 FM “The Fan” that change will be necessary after another 8-8 finish, but going a different direction at quarterback isn’t in those plans.
“I don’t like what’s on the other side of that page,” Jones said. “We’ve got better chances to get to the Super Bowl relative to Tony Romo.”
Rather than change the quarterback position, Jones’ focus is on figuring out a way to build around Romo to make him more comfortable as the signal caller. Romo finished No. 3 in the league with 4,903 passing yards and No. 10 in the league with a 90.5 passer rating, but he was tied for the NFL lead with 19 interceptions.
“We’ve got to have a way to play football that maximizes what Tony does the best,” Jones said. “I can assure our fans this, that it’s going to be very uncomfortable, from my standpoint, for the next few weeks and months at Valley Ranch.”
Jones won’t accept mediocrity, but he also won’t divulge what changes could happen until staff meetings occur at a later date and those plans are fully discussed. His patience wears thin every time the Cowboys miss out on the playoffs, but he also realizes a lack of patience isn’t the issue.
Read more: http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/ar...7-417289dea811
Bankerguy
Footballguy
This could lead to some interesting speculation...
Rowan Kavner
DallasCowboys.com Staff Writer
IRVING, Texas – Quarterback Tony Romo might be the only Cowboys player or coach who can sit comfortably after listening to owner Jerry Jones on his weekly radio show.
Jones said Wednesday on 105.3 FM “The Fan” that change will be necessary after another 8-8 finish, but going a different direction at quarterback isn’t in those plans.
“I don’t like what’s on the other side of that page,” Jones said. “We’ve got better chances to get to the Super Bowl relative to Tony Romo.”
Rather than change the quarterback position, Jones’ focus is on figuring out a way to build around Romo to make him more comfortable as the signal caller. Romo finished No. 3 in the league with 4,903 passing yards and No. 10 in the league with a 90.5 passer rating, but he was tied for the NFL lead with 19 interceptions.
“We’ve got to have a way to play football that maximizes what Tony does the best,” Jones said. “I can assure our fans this, that it’s going to be
Rowan Kavner
DallasCowboys.com Staff Writer
IRVING, Texas – Quarterback Tony Romo might be the only Cowboys player or coach who can sit comfortably after listening to owner Jerry Jones on his weekly radio show.
Jones said Wednesday on 105.3 FM “The Fan” that change will be necessary after another 8-8 finish, but going a different direction at quarterback isn’t in those plans.
“I don’t like what’s on the other side of that page,” Jones said. “We’ve got better chances to get to the Super Bowl relative to Tony Romo.”
Rather than change the quarterback position, Jones’ focus is on figuring out a way to build around Romo to make him more comfortable as the signal caller. Romo finished No. 3 in the league with 4,903 passing yards and No. 10 in the league with a 90.5 passer rating, but he was tied for the NFL lead with 19 interceptions.
“We’ve got to have a way to play football that maximizes what Tony does the best,” Jones said. “I can assure our fans this, that it’s going to be
T Bell
Footballguy
The Cowboys have some of the talent they need to "win now" (including Romo, BTW - I'm not a Romo basher), but other parts of the roster which need to be rebuilt. They probably should rebuild, but they can't overtly go into "rebuilding mode" without pissing off the fan base and losing critical revenue just after they've constructed the stadium, plus they'll alienate their veterans, including Romo. The trouble is that if they don't aggressively rebuild the roster, then I think they're only plugging some holes while other holes are opening up as key starters age, and risking being in several years in much the same position they're in now, a 7-9 win team. I think realistically the Romo/Witten/Ware era Cowboys are not going to win a Super Bowl at this point, absent a miraculous draft that gives them multiple OL starters and some important defensive players as well. That's a tough thing to achieve in the span of one, two or maybe three years that their key players might have left, even ignoring of course that division and playoff wins would be hard to come by even then. I think Jerry's going to maintain that the team is competing to win now and "just adding a few pieces", but in reality I think this is going to be a hugely different roster three years from now, with only a few of the same high profile players you currently see (e.g. Bryant, Austin, Murray). Don't you figure, for example, that they have to spend a high draft pick in the next year or two on a QB, while Romo is still there?
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Bankerguy
Footballguy
Some good points here. Disagree with the inclusion of Austin. He may be one of the first to be dispatched imo. I would not be opposed to a "rebuild" and I don't think I'm alone with this. I don't see this club hoisting a Lombardi anytime soon.Thought about another idea last night...could Jerry go the route of hiring a Offensive Consultant like he was going to do with Reeves until he f'd it up. Holmgrem and Saban would be the 2 names I could see in this scenario. Good PR move...help Garrett and Jerry saves face.orMaybe he just does blow it up. Romo and Ware being the only survivors of the veteran group.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Actually, if you're going to blow it up, trading Ware might be the best thing. He should yield first round currency, if not beyond that. Precident is there with Peppers and Seymour. Maybe move Ratliff while you're at it. Can you get a 2nd for him?
I thought it might make sense to look at the roster of guys on their first contracts or under 30 guys with long term contracts. These are the ones you'd build around if you blew it up.
Lets look at the Potential Pro Bowl Level building blocks:
Offense: Dez, Tyron, Murray.
Defense: Claiborne, Carr, Lee, Carter.
Now lets look at the potential starter level guys:
Offense: Harris, Costa?, Hanna?, Parnell?
Defense: Scandrick, Church, Lissemore, Crawford?
Backups:
Offense: Phillips
Defense: Albright, Butler, McCrae
Unknowns:
Offense: Several young WRs, Leary
Defense: Johnson, some of the FAs signed to plug holes this year.
They are strong at CB and ILB going forward. Not horrible at WR (some of the young guys have to develop, right?). One intreguing guy in my mind is Hanna. Can he develop into a Hernandez type guy? He showed flashes late this year.
But obvious needs include a young QB, interior OL, DL, and OLB. This upcoming draft is purportedly deep in defensive front 7 guys. So if they blow it up, they could restock the defensive front 5 (DL and OLB). Of course, that still leaves the OL issues. And QB of the future....
I thought it might make sense to look at the roster of guys on their first contracts or under 30 guys with long term contracts. These are the ones you'd build around if you blew it up.
Lets look at the Potential Pro Bowl Level building blocks:
Offense: Dez, Tyron, Murray.
Defense: Claiborne, Carr, Lee, Carter.
Now lets look at the potential starter level guys:
Offense: Harris, Costa?, Hanna?, Parnell?
Defense: Scandrick, Church, Lissemore, Crawford?
Backups:
Offense: Phillips
Defense: Albright, Butler, McCrae
Unknowns:
Offense: Several young WRs, Leary
Defense: Johnson, some of the FAs signed to plug holes this year.
They are strong at CB and ILB going forward. Not horrible at WR (some of the young guys have to develop, right?). One intreguing guy in my mind is Hanna. Can he develop into a Hernandez type guy? He showed flashes late this year.
But obvious needs include a young QB, interior OL, DL, and OLB. This upcoming draft is purportedly deep in defensive front 7 guys. So if they blow it up, they could restock the defensive front 5 (DL and OLB). Of course, that still leaves the OL issues. And QB of the future....
jkruppe
Footballguy
I don't believe we're "blowing anything up", or even need to. Jerry playing to the fanbase on his radio show means almost nothing. Garrett stays. Norv isn't interested. Nobody like Holmgren or Gruden or Saban is coming in to call plays or consult. I'm still holding out hope for an OC to take play calling duties away from Garrett, but I fear Callahan is the best we can hope for. I'm not thrilled about that, but it's probably an improvement.
As far as upgrading the O-line, they played much better the 2nd half of the season. I think Costa is gone. If Leary can play, then maybe MB slides to C and Leary plugs into the RG spot, but unless something falls to us in the draft, I don't see us getting a starting caliber RT. That doesn't mean you can't get a FA like Long or the guy in Buffalo whose name I can't remember now, but we don't have much cap space either. For better or worse, I don't think the O-line changes much next year.
D-line has to be the priority in the draft, especially if we lose Spencer. That means we'd need another edge-rusher, plus interior space-eaters.
Regardless, I still don't think this team is that far away. All we proved last week was that we aren't a good enough team to make the playoffs when Romo doesn't play his best game. Disappointing loss for sure. Terrible way to end another season. But, we can't get excited about a healthy defense with Ware, Lee, Carter and Church back? How about a full season where Dez has his head on straight from the beginning? Improved Special Teams with Harris returning punts? I think there's a lot to build on. We're definitely not in rebuilding mode yet.
As far as upgrading the O-line, they played much better the 2nd half of the season. I think Costa is gone. If Leary can play, then maybe MB slides to C and Leary plugs into the RG spot, but unless something falls to us in the draft, I don't see us getting a starting caliber RT. That doesn't mean you can't get a FA like Long or the guy in Buffalo whose name I can't remember now, but we don't have much cap space either. For better or worse, I don't think the O-line changes much next year.
D-line has to be the priority in the draft, especially if we lose Spencer. That means we'd need another edge-rusher, plus interior space-eaters.
Regardless, I still don't think this team is that far away. All we proved last week was that we aren't a good enough team to make the playoffs when Romo doesn't play his best game. Disappointing loss for sure. Terrible way to end another season. But, we can't get excited about a healthy defense with Ware, Lee, Carter and Church back? How about a full season where Dez has his head on straight from the beginning? Improved Special Teams with Harris returning punts? I think there's a lot to build on. We're definitely not in rebuilding mode yet.
"For better or worse, I don't think the O-line changes much next year."
For certain it will be worse. C'mon man! Washington laid the blueprint for the rest of the NFL = Blitz ROMO!
He makes miraculous throws and bonehead interceptions when he's flushed from the pocket. Let's stop that insanity by getting some solid O lineman, draft or FA.
I think Romo is an above average QB playing on a team that has a below average O line. How do you protect you QB and have a better chance of doing what Dallas is built for, play action pass? Get a few lineman to stop the blitz, rb's that can pickup a blitz. Let Romo face 2nd and 3rd downs with short yardage. How many times have we seen 2nd or 3rd and long all year??
Garrett - get the friggin play call in sooner. How many times this year have we seen Romo scambling at the line of scrimmage with less than 5 seconds to go in the play clock right after they've gotten to the line of scrimmage? C'mon dude!
For certain it will be worse. C'mon man! Washington laid the blueprint for the rest of the NFL = Blitz ROMO!
He makes miraculous throws and bonehead interceptions when he's flushed from the pocket. Let's stop that insanity by getting some solid O lineman, draft or FA.
I think Romo is an above average QB playing on a team that has a below average O line. How do you protect you QB and have a better chance of doing what Dallas is built for, play action pass? Get a few lineman to stop the blitz, rb's that can pickup a blitz. Let Romo face 2nd and 3rd downs with short yardage. How many times have we seen 2nd or 3rd and long all year??
Garrett - get the friggin play call in sooner. How many times this year have we seen Romo scambling at the line of scrimmage with less than 5 seconds to go in the play clock right after they've gotten to the line of scrimmage? C'mon dude!
jkruppe
Footballguy
OK...fair enough, and good points that I agree with. Certainly getting the play in to Romo faster so he's not snapping the ball with 1 second on the clock and letting the defense get a head start on their blitz is an excellent start.So where do you get "a few lineman to stop the blitz"? I'm just saying that with our limited cap space and other needs to look for in the draft, I don't see how we can make wholesale changes to the O-line. I'd love to see Free, MB and Livings all gone next year. I just don't see how we can do it, while still needing to improve the D-line, WR, Safety, RB, etc.
T Bell
Footballguy
I'm just asking because I can't think of an example, but has any coach accused of being slow getting the play in (like Joe Gibbs 2.0, Andy Reid, etc.) ever succesfully changed that trait? Like I said, I can't think of anyone who has.
So where do you get "a few lineman to stop the blitz"? I'm just saying that with our limited cap space and other needs to look for in the draft, I don't see how we can make wholesale changes to the O-line
Not a capologist, but saw Dallas was 22nd in 2012 salaries with $102.8 ML. Surely we can get creative enough to get one FA OL and one in the draft.
Not a capologist, but saw Dallas was 22nd in 2012 salaries with $102.8 ML. Surely we can get creative enough to get one FA OL and one in the draft.
culdeus
Footballguy
Dez has been in the league long enough that if he was to emerge to that level it would have happened already. You can almost say the same about Murray. RB shelf life is very brief. You can say the same for Carr on the other side. Nothing in that list makes me think this is anything above an 8-8 level squad in the next 2 years.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Umm, did you see Dez's performance over the last half of the season? His numbers were right up there with Calvin and Marshall. He has emerged at that level.But I would agree with you that 8-8 is what this team is looking at without some significnat improvements in some areas, most notably the OL. And this list shows there are a lot of shortcomings in multiple areas. The point of my original post was to look at young building blocks currently on the roster and who the team could build around if they were to blow things up.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
Yeah 6th in yds and 3rd in receiving TDs, if that isn't arriving I dont what is. This is also with early season injuries and a broken finger'Ridgelake said:
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Put me in the camp that thinks, if we could get another 1st rounder +, then we take that opportunity to trade Ware. And, he's one of my favorite Cowboys of all time. But, for the larger goals of this team, he's the most obvious currency that could be utilized in a trade to get younger and better for the future.
It makes me so angry we did not get any quality OL in FA last year. This team could have been competitive in the NFC playoff picture with just a competent G and RT.
It makes me so angry we did not get any quality OL in FA last year. This team could have been competitive in the NFC playoff picture with just a competent G and RT.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Which is why I wouldn't trade Ware or give up hope. This team is only a good draft and a couple of good off season signings away from winning the division. Once you're in, you have a shot as these teams are so close to one another.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
No, I don't think its likely at all. And I doubt that trading Ware would work under the salary cap anyway. I'm just throwing out hypotheticals.I believe Jerry is just blowing smoke. There is a very limited number of things he can do to shake up the team baring coaching changes. And I don't see major changes coming there. The team has too many salary cap problems to do much personnel wise. Both our teams have Mara to thank for that with the cap penalties stemming from the "uncapped" year.
jkruppe
Footballguy
Bryan Broaddus @BryanBroaddus
“@Sol_Noodles: Have you got any names for possible OC other than Norv?” heard Pete Carmichael Jr is free. Like Saints attack. Would call.
It's just the Twitters, but it's nice to see an actual name --that's not Norv -- float out there amongst the rumors.
“@Sol_Noodles: Have you got any names for possible OC other than Norv?” heard Pete Carmichael Jr is free. Like Saints attack. Would call.
It's just the Twitters, but it's nice to see an actual name --that's not Norv -- float out there amongst the rumors.
culdeus
Footballguy
So close? To what? Dallas was 1-6 versus playoff teams this year. The single only impressive win all year was versus a Cincy team which played their worst game of the season for some unknown reason.
The Boys have a lot of holes to fill in the offseason, especially at OL. However, with the NFC so tight each year 1 or 2 wins makes or breaks a team. This year we were broken. Had the FG at Balt gone through or Dez not tried to break his fall against NYG's, that's two additional wins. So, we are not too far off in this division. We need O line help, DL line and a backup RB IMO for 2013.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I heard Norv is out because Jerry and him had a falling out when he signed with Washington. 
Texasmouth
Footballguy
ZERO percent chance Ware is traded. Horrible idea.
plymkr
Footballguy
I think they were just throwing things out there...but its never going to happen i agree. We will go into next season with the same we have now w an extra DT & OL & draft picks & pray everyone stays healthy. If they all stay healthy, we'll be real good, if not, 8-8 to 10-6.
I continue to be mystified about how that was "legal". Complete BS. At least our owners could afford it.
T Bell
Footballguy
Not saying you're wrong, but that was almost 20 years ago and he rehired Campo after all. Is Norv closely associated with Jimmy in Jerry's mind, or is he sort of seen as his own guy? I don't recall Norv seeming to take sides in that mess. I know Aikman loves him, for example.'STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:I heard Norv is out because Jerry and him had a falling out when he signed with Washington.
