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Unless I'm missing something, I'd say we absolutely robbed the Seahawks in this dealLatest reports I read is that it's Sims + 7th Rounder for 5th Rounder and Robert Henderson (DE --- Who????)
Unless I'm missing something, I'd say we absolutely robbed the Seahawks in this dealLatest reports I read is that it's Sims + 7th Rounder for 5th Rounder and Robert Henderson (DE --- Who????)
Who is this real GM you speak of?So this is what it's like to have a real GM running the show...Who is this real Gm you speak of?Kowalski said they traded a 5th rounder.Looks like it's done. No word on compensation yet.Latest rumor, Detroit looking to trade with Seattle for LG Sims.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/31/lions-mulling-deal-for-sims/
I have no idea who this guy is, or if he's potentially worth a 4th rounder which is the compensation Seattle would require.
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2010/...rade_for_r.html
Edit to add: Schefter reporting on Twitter it'll be a fifth rounder.
Love all the moves this offseason, and now we're perfectly set up to take Suh with the #2 pick. Things are looking up
Wishful thinking here: I could see WAS offering Haynesworth and the #4 for our #2 and possibly our 4th round pick. Schwartz could want Haynesworth back, and Haynesworth wants a trade. WAS then drafts Suh and has our 4th round pick. If that happens, we could take Berry with the #4 pick, a RB like Best with the 2nd round pick, and a LB like Brandon Spikes with the 3rd round pick. If we walk out of the draft with Haynesworth, Berry, Best, and Spikes then I'd be thrilled.That said, I'm no expert about value of players or draft picks, so not sure if Haynesworth and #4 for our #2 and 4th round is even a legit tradeETA - Bulluck is also out there as a FA. Schwartz could sign himI'm sure everyone has read about the 3-way trade that gives the Lions Scheffler and a 7th round pick for Sims. To me this says they did not view Sims as a guy they would likely resign after next season, and that they needed some insurance at TE with Pettigrew coming off knee surgery and Fitzsimmons retiring. Scheffler is on a 1 year deal from Denver and is not rumored to get a new contract so I don't see him sticking around long term unless Pettigrew never fully recovers.But now the Lions have yet another hole to fill on Defense. LB was the only position of "strength" if you call it that last year, and now it's looking pretty slim with only 2 starters returning. Does this pretty much lock up the 2nd round pick with a LB? Or are there any FAs out there worth signing to fill the hole this year and address in the draft next year, and which position is more likely to be filled with a vet (OLB/MLB)? I think the players still on the team are versatile enough they could go either way.
Yes, it says the Lions weren't too high on Sims, why else would they have traded him. However, you can say that about Denver's view of Scheffler as well.I think with Fitzsimmons retiring and the injury status of Pettigrew that was the catalyst for this trade. It kind of bums me out because I was really excited about what I was seeing in Pettigrew last year, I hope that this doesn't mean anything negative for him long term. I would have liked to have seen the Lions trade Sims but for another position of weakness. Not on a position they just spent a NO. 1 draft pick on the year before.I know they are thinking of using this two TE set to hopefully open up Calvin Johnson, I hope it works. I know we've read about these two TE's sets for other teams I don't ever really see them working out all that well. In general, I support that the Lions are doing SOMETHING, I just don't know if TE is the area that we needed. If it is, then like I said it bums me out because that means Pettigrew is behind schedule, if he's not, then I don't think we needed to trade for a TE when we just signed Heller who's a decent pass catching TE too.I'm sure everyone has read about the 3-way trade that gives the Lions Scheffler and a 7th round pick for Sims. To me this says they did not view Sims as a guy they would likely resign after next season, and that they needed some insurance at TE with Pettigrew coming off knee surgery and Fitzsimmons retiring. Scheffler is on a 1 year deal from Denver and is not rumored to get a new contract so I don't see him sticking around long term unless Pettigrew never fully recovers.But now the Lions have yet another hole to fill on Defense. LB was the only position of "strength" if you call it that last year, and now it's looking pretty slim with only 2 starters returning. Does this pretty much lock up the 2nd round pick with a LB? Or are there any FAs out there worth signing to fill the hole this year and address in the draft next year, and which position is more likely to be filled with a vet (OLB/MLB)? I think the players still on the team are versatile enough they could go either way.
Took my whole lifetime but it looks like it's happening.I love what the Lions have done this offseason and it appears we have a head coach and GM who are on the same page.
From what I've read of Suh, and what I think I know of Haynesworth, I'd MUCH rather have Suh. IMO you'd have a better player for a longer period of time. I'm not sure it's worth swapping him for Haynesworth just to get Berry (and losing a 4th rounder).Wishful thinking here: I could see WAS offering Haynesworth and the #4 for our #2 and possibly our 4th round pick. Schwartz could want Haynesworth back, and Haynesworth wants a trade. WAS then drafts Suh and has our 4th round pick. If that happens, we could take Berry with the #4 pick, a RB like Best with the 2nd round pick, and a LB like Brandon Spikes with the 3rd round pick. If we walk out of the draft with Haynesworth, Berry, Best, and Spikes then I'd be thrilled.That said, I'm no expert about value of players or draft picks, so not sure if Haynesworth and #4 for our #2 and 4th round is even a legit tradeETA - Bulluck is also out there as a FA. Schwartz could sign himI'm sure everyone has read about the 3-way trade that gives the Lions Scheffler and a 7th round pick for Sims. To me this says they did not view Sims as a guy they would likely resign after next season, and that they needed some insurance at TE with Pettigrew coming off knee surgery and Fitzsimmons retiring. Scheffler is on a 1 year deal from Denver and is not rumored to get a new contract so I don't see him sticking around long term unless Pettigrew never fully recovers.But now the Lions have yet another hole to fill on Defense. LB was the only position of "strength" if you call it that last year, and now it's looking pretty slim with only 2 starters returning. Does this pretty much lock up the 2nd round pick with a LB? Or are there any FAs out there worth signing to fill the hole this year and address in the draft next year, and which position is more likely to be filled with a vet (OLB/MLB)? I think the players still on the team are versatile enough they could go either way.
I know that we are easily pleased but lets wait and see.Took my whole lifetime but it looks like it's happening.I love what the Lions have done this offseason and it appears we have a head coach and GM who are on the same page.
Exactly. This time of year everyone thinks this is the year. Then about six games in its ...and the waiting begins for the next offseason.I know that we are easily pleased but lets wait and see.Took my whole lifetime but it looks like it's happening.I love what the Lions have done this offseason and it appears we have a head coach and GM who are on the same page.
The Lions didnt limit themselves with this move. They shipped off a guy that has basically become a liability at OLB, and they got another viable option in the passing game in return + another 7th rounder. Outside of Pettigrew dynasty owners I don't see many people disagreeing with this move for Detroit.Even if Sims revives his career in Philly it doesnt change anything, he was still a scrub in Detroit. But of course if that happens there will probably be plenty of people claiming that the Lions screwed up in this deal.In general, I support that the Lions are doing SOMETHING, I just don't know if TE is the area that we needed.
Another Millen pick bites the dust.I don't like the move from the perspective that by acquiring a TE it just confirms that the team had no business drafting Pettigrew in the first round last year. Maybe the move to get Scheffler was a necessity due to Pettigrew's injury. Nevertheless I view the move as an indictment on how bad the Pettigrew pick was for a team that is significantly rebuilding -- too many other holes such as OL (could have had Oher), LB (could have had Maluoga) could've been filled with that pick.The Lions didnt limit themselves with this move. They shipped off a guy that has basically become a liability at OLB, and they got another viable option in the passing game in return + another 7th rounder. Outside of Pettigrew dynasty owners I don't see many people disagreeing with this move for Detroit.Even if Sims revives his career in Philly it doesnt change anything, he was still a scrub in Detroit. But of course if that happens there will probably be plenty of people claiming that the Lions screwed up in this deal.In general, I support that the Lions are doing SOMETHING, I just don't know if TE is the area that we needed.
exactly.People are fawning all over Mayhew, but lets be honest, he's had some good moves and some bad.Good -Roy Williams tradeVandenboschdrafting delmasdrafting levyc.houston tradebadpettigrew pickgrady jacksonphil buchanonlarry footejury still out:burlesonsims/scheffler dealmatt staffordOG sims frm seattleThe team is heading in the right direction though, like there is some plan. and not all front offices are perfect and get every pick right. Heck the Patroits recent draft have been down right terrible. So lios fans lets hope they get lucky enough to grab Suh and then anything after that is gravy. Hopefully they hit on produtive players in round2 and 3 as wellAnother Millen pick bites the dust.I don't like the move from the perspective that by acquiring a TE it just confirms that the team had no business drafting Pettigrew in the first round last year. Maybe the move to get Scheffler was a necessity due to Pettigrew's injury. Nevertheless I view the move as an indictment on how bad the Pettigrew pick was for a team that is significantly rebuilding -- too many other holes such as OL (could have had Oher), LB (could have had Maluoga) could've been filled with that pick.The Lions didnt limit themselves with this move. They shipped off a guy that has basically become a liability at OLB, and they got another viable option in the passing game in return + another 7th rounder. Outside of Pettigrew dynasty owners I don't see many people disagreeing with this move for Detroit.Even if Sims revives his career in Philly it doesnt change anything, he was still a scrub in Detroit. But of course if that happens there will probably be plenty of people claiming that the Lions screwed up in this deal.In general, I support that the Lions are doing SOMETHING, I just don't know if TE is the area that we needed.
You forgot to mention he was entering the last year of his contract and by all accounts neither side was interested in an extension.I'm wondering what Ernie Sims did here for people to wonder why he was traded. He can't cover, he doesn't make big plays, he is often out of position which causes him to miss tackles, and he is always hurt. He is a great athlete and fast, but he has had 1 productive season since he has been here. Scheffler will be a real weapon in the middle of the field (especially on 3rd down) because the safeties will be playing deep and LBs can't cover Scheffler. The Lions will run a lot of 2 TE sets and Linehan is pretty good at creating mismatches. I could see the negativity if Sims had actually done something here, but he did very little. I love the trade.
Anthony Borbely said:I'm wondering what Ernie Sims did here for people to wonder why he was traded. He can't cover, he doesn't make big plays, he is often out of position which causes him to miss tackles, and he is always hurt. He is a great athlete and fast, but he has had 1 productive season since he has been here. Scheffler will be a real weapon in the middle of the field (especially on 3rd down) because the safeties will be playing deep and LBs can't cover Scheffler. The Lions will run a lot of 2 TE sets and Linehan is pretty good at creating mismatches. I could see the negativity if Sims had actually done something here, but he did very little. I love the trade.
For me, it isn't that they got rid of Sims but that they have so many other holes on that team that acquiring a TE after they just drafted one in the 1st round last year doesn't make a lot of sense unless Pettigrew is not recovering.I know some people in here are saying the Pettigrew pick was a waste or bad pick but I saw talent in this kid. I think he can play and if he heals he'll be a solid pro.Anthony Borbely said:I'm wondering what Ernie Sims did here for people to wonder why he was traded. He can't cover, he doesn't make big plays, he is often out of position which causes him to miss tackles, and he is always hurt. He is a great athlete and fast, but he has had 1 productive season since he has been here. Scheffler will be a real weapon in the middle of the field (especially on 3rd down) because the safeties will be playing deep and LBs can't cover Scheffler. The Lions will run a lot of 2 TE sets and Linehan is pretty good at creating mismatches. I could see the negativity if Sims had actually done something here, but he did very little. I love the trade.
absolutely brutual. 6n10Thoughts?...looks like a tough start with 3 division games on the road right away....September 12 - at Chicago BearsSeptember 19 - vs. Philadelphia EaglesSeptember 26 - at Minnesota VikingsOctober 3 - at Green Bay PackersOctober 10 - vs. St. Louis RamsOctober 17 - at New York GiantsOctober 24 - BYEOctober 31 - vs. Washington RedskinsNovember 7 - vs. New York JetsNovember 14 - at Buffalo BillsNovember 21 - at Dallas CowboysNovember 25 - vs. New England PatriotsDecember 5 - vs. Chicago BearsDecember 12 - vs. Green Bay PackersDecember 19 - at Tampa Bay BuccaneersDecember 26 - at Miami DolphinsJanuary 2 - vs. Minnesota Vikings
Another brutally tough beginning to their schedule.4 out of the 6 teams were playoff teams last year.. Chicago and St.Louis are winnable games but the others... mehabsolutely brutual. 6n10Thoughts?...looks like a tough start with 3 division games on the road right away....September 12 - at Chicago BearsSeptember 19 - vs. Philadelphia EaglesSeptember 26 - at Minnesota VikingsOctober 3 - at Green Bay PackersOctober 10 - vs. St. Louis RamsOctober 17 - at New York GiantsOctober 24 - BYEOctober 31 - vs. Washington RedskinsNovember 7 - vs. New York JetsNovember 14 - at Buffalo BillsNovember 21 - at Dallas CowboysNovember 25 - vs. New England PatriotsDecember 5 - vs. Chicago BearsDecember 12 - vs. Green Bay PackersDecember 19 - at Tampa Bay BuccaneersDecember 26 - at Miami DolphinsJanuary 2 - vs. Minnesota Vikings
It still doesn't feel right. All these people talking about the Lions and the right direction and whatnot.As I said in the main draft thread...you guys KILLED it today.Took the best player in this draft (Suh), and my favorite RB in this draft (Best); who also happens to fill a major need.Mad props Lions fans.
Agree AB, Lions fans should be proud tonight. It might be time to get fresh Jerseys in Detroit...seriously, teams that change colors do well...Bucs, Jets reverted, NE, Seattle, time to step into the 21st Century. Don the oldies on Turkey Day.The Lions had a great first round. They drafted Suh, who I think is the best player in the draft. Then they move up 4 spots from their 2.02 to the Vikings 1.30 and drafted Jahvid Best. It only cost them a swap of 4th's plus a 7th, so I think it was a great trade. Once CB Kyle Wilson was taken, I think this is the only player the Lions wanted this high. The CBs took a pretty steep drop after Wilson and CB and RB were the only positions I saw them using the 2.02 on. Best is a great fit in this offense with his blazing speed. With Calvin attracting so much attention, Best will have a lot of room on the field and his speed is going to be a real weapon. CB is pretty deep and I have to think that is the main target with their 3.02.This has been a great offseason so far, adding Burleson, Scheffler and Best on offense (plus a solid backup QB in Shawn Hill), and added Suh, Vanden Bosch, Corey Williams, and Houston on defense. Mayhew is making a believer out of me.
Lions throwbacks are great, I wish they would adopt that as their regular uniform.Agree AB, Lions fans should be proud tonight. It might be time to get fresh Jerseys in Detroit...seriously, teams that change colors do well...Bucs, Jets reverted, NE, Seattle, time to step into the 21st Century. Don the oldies on Turkey Day.The Lions had a great first round. They drafted Suh, who I think is the best player in the draft. Then they move up 4 spots from their 2.02 to the Vikings 1.30 and drafted Jahvid Best. It only cost them a swap of 4th's plus a 7th, so I think it was a great trade. Once CB Kyle Wilson was taken, I think this is the only player the Lions wanted this high. The CBs took a pretty steep drop after Wilson and CB and RB were the only positions I saw them using the 2.02 on. Best is a great fit in this offense with his blazing speed. With Calvin attracting so much attention, Best will have a lot of room on the field and his speed is going to be a real weapon. CB is pretty deep and I have to think that is the main target with their 3.02.This has been a great offseason so far, adding Burleson, Scheffler and Best on offense (plus a solid backup QB in Shawn Hill), and added Suh, Vanden Bosch, Corey Williams, and Houston on defense. Mayhew is making a believer out of me.
I agree. Some cheerleaders would be nice too if we are making a wish list.I like the trade up for Best. I don't think he makes it to 34. Whether the Colts snag him...or other teams look at what the Lions need overnight and trade up with St Louis. Best's highlight reels are sick....and the Lions all of a sudden have some pretty good looking weapons on offense with CJ, Burleson, Scheffler, Pettigrew, Best....oh, and of course Stafford. Big, Big targets, deep threats, and a guy that can take home from anywhere on the field.I think the whole thing hinges on whether Stafford can become an accurate QB...and I'm not holding my breath. There were lots of plays last year where he had plenty of time to throw the ball, the receiver was wide, wide open and he threw it 8 feet over their head.....hopefully he will improve.Lions throwbacks are great, I wish they would adopt that as their regular uniform.Agree AB, Lions fans should be proud tonight. It might be time to get fresh Jerseys in Detroit...seriously, teams that change colors do well...Bucs, Jets reverted, NE, Seattle, time to step into the 21st Century. Don the oldies on Turkey Day.The Lions had a great first round. They drafted Suh, who I think is the best player in the draft. Then they move up 4 spots from their 2.02 to the Vikings 1.30 and drafted Jahvid Best. It only cost them a swap of 4th's plus a 7th, so I think it was a great trade. Once CB Kyle Wilson was taken, I think this is the only player the Lions wanted this high. The CBs took a pretty steep drop after Wilson and CB and RB were the only positions I saw them using the 2.02 on. Best is a great fit in this offense with his blazing speed. With Calvin attracting so much attention, Best will have a lot of room on the field and his speed is going to be a real weapon. CB is pretty deep and I have to think that is the main target with their 3.02.This has been a great offseason so far, adding Burleson, Scheffler and Best on offense (plus a solid backup QB in Shawn Hill), and added Suh, Vanden Bosch, Corey Williams, and Houston on defense. Mayhew is making a believer out of me.
All things being equal, I think they go CB or possibly trade back.Extremely excited to have Suh. He will bring leadership through his work ethic to a defense that is sorely in need of it. Best adds another dimension to the offense much like Calvin did when they drafted him. It has been since Barry that the Lion's have had a guy who can take it to the house in the backfield. Injuries are the only concern, however I trust that Mayhew had done his homework and look forward to seeing Best on the field. The only other guy I would rather have at the end of the first/early second would have been Kyle Wilson (Jets got great value at their pick). Now....who is everyone hoping falls to 66? Obviously OL and CB are a need. I am not as astute when it comes to college players (especially non-skill positions). I would think if a guy like Carlos Dunlap, Taylor Mays, Sergio Kindle, Bruce Campbell (although non of these guys will likely fall to 66) falls they would have to take them. Who is the dream pick there for you?
Lion fans are like battered wifes..it is hard to beleive that someone is finally being nice to us..and harder to believe things will work out good. If there finally hope and change?As I said in the main draft thread...you guys KILLED it today.Took the best player in this draft (Suh), and my favorite RB in this draft (Best); who also happens to fill a major need.Mad props Lions fans.
from the freep:A look at some players the Lions could consider taking with the third-round pick today:JAVIER ARENASCB, AlabamaA slot corner type who plays fast. DONALD BUTLERLB, WashingtonCan run sideline to sideline.MYRON LEWISCB, VanderbiltBig corner who could also play safety.CHRIS COOKCB, VirginiaCan play safety but will be be around?BRANDON GHEECB, Wake ForestSpeedy (4.37) but may not last that long.ROBERT MCCLAINCB, ConnecticutMay wait until fourth round on him.There are so many CB options though. Would really need to be enamored with one of them.Im guessing you look another direction because of the depth at CB. More front 7 help for Schwartz.All things being equal, I think they go CB or possibly trade back.Extremely excited to have Suh. He will bring leadership through his work ethic to a defense that is sorely in need of it. Best adds another dimension to the offense much like Calvin did when they drafted him. It has been since Barry that the Lion's have had a guy who can take it to the house in the backfield. Injuries are the only concern, however I trust that Mayhew had done his homework and look forward to seeing Best on the field. The only other guy I would rather have at the end of the first/early second would have been Kyle Wilson (Jets got great value at their pick). Now....who is everyone hoping falls to 66? Obviously OL and CB are a need. I am not as astute when it comes to college players (especially non-skill positions). I would think if a guy like Carlos Dunlap, Taylor Mays, Sergio Kindle, Bruce Campbell (although non of these guys will likely fall to 66) falls they would have to take them. Who is the dream pick there for you?
Apparently the Lions brass is in fact contemplating getting cheerleaders;I agree. Some cheerleaders would be nice too if we are making a wish list.I like the trade up for Best. I don't think he makes it to 34. Whether the Colts snag him...or other teams look at what the Lions need overnight and trade up with St Louis. Best's highlight reels are sick....and the Lions all of a sudden have some pretty good looking weapons on offense with CJ, Burleson, Scheffler, Pettigrew, Best....oh, and of course Stafford. Big, Big targets, deep threats, and a guy that can take home from anywhere on the field.I think the whole thing hinges on whether Stafford can become an accurate QB...and I'm not holding my breath. There were lots of plays last year where he had plenty of time to throw the ball, the receiver was wide, wide open and he threw it 8 feet over their head.....hopefully he will improve.Lions throwbacks are great, I wish they would adopt that as their regular uniform.Agree AB, Lions fans should be proud tonight. It might be time to get fresh Jerseys in Detroit...seriously, teams that change colors do well...Bucs, Jets reverted, NE, Seattle, time to step into the 21st Century. Don the oldies on Turkey Day.The Lions had a great first round. They drafted Suh, who I think is the best player in the draft. Then they move up 4 spots from their 2.02 to the Vikings 1.30 and drafted Jahvid Best. It only cost them a swap of 4th's plus a 7th, so I think it was a great trade. Once CB Kyle Wilson was taken, I think this is the only player the Lions wanted this high. The CBs took a pretty steep drop after Wilson and CB and RB were the only positions I saw them using the 2.02 on. Best is a great fit in this offense with his blazing speed. With Calvin attracting so much attention, Best will have a lot of room on the field and his speed is going to be a real weapon. CB is pretty deep and I have to think that is the main target with their 3.02.This has been a great offseason so far, adding Burleson, Scheffler and Best on offense (plus a solid backup QB in Shawn Hill), and added Suh, Vanden Bosch, Corey Williams, and Houston on defense. Mayhew is making a believer out of me.
I think the draft pick/trade up tells us that.So do you Lions fans think Kevin Smith is done?
NoBest isnt bellcow. This will be a committe IMO.So do you Lions fans think Kevin Smith is done?
Im very glad that the Lions nabbed SUH. great draft so far
I see the Lions bringing in another back..Lynch?? From what I have heard Smith had the same type of knee injury that Culpepper had a few years back..shredded everything.NoBest isnt bellcow. This will be a committe IMO.So do you Lions fans think Kevin Smith is done?