Dizzy
Footballguy
I was simply implying that talented WRs usually aren't watching football at home in week 9.
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dipandglide
Footballguy
He’d be playing if he wanted to play for a #### team. Dez was being selective and it looks like it’ll work out. When your talented you have options ?
Dizzy
Footballguy
How is this it working out? If he wants a title, sure. But he seemed to be only after money. I can't imagine this contract will be near what he was offered this offseason.
Chaka
Footballguy
That was reported early when he passed on Baltimore but I don't think that makes money the exclusive driver. I think it is easy to accept that winning is also important.
Landing in New Orleans for a half season rental with a legitimate shot at a Super Bowl satisfies the latter and gives him the opportunity to generate the former. If they win the SB he wins and if he is instrumental in their winning he will get his payday. Seems smarter than jumping at an opportunity for an 8-8 season, with an outside chance at a wild card playoff loss in Baltimore and being locked in for two more seasons at $7 mil/per.
Chaka
Footballguy
I'm guessing not much but if he gets $3.5 mil it will match what he passed on from Baltimore (prorated).
It was a gamble and, IMO, he got very lucky (if NO actually signs him).
habsfan
Footballguy
Alternatively, if he isn't effective in what most would agree is an optimal situation, that too will be revealing...
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Doug B
Footballguy
For what it's worth ... Dez Bryant retweeted the following:
Yeah ... I don't know who Andy Alberth is either. His Twitter says "Co Founder of the National Fantasy Football Convention" which was held in Dallas this past year. I guess he's someone with a little profile in whatever FFB community there is in the Dallas area. Don't know if his reach is national.
Skoo
Footballguy
I have both, dropped 3Quan for him. Who knows what will happen with Dez but I figure I can live without TreQuan's 3 targets per game.
Fitz on the other hand is looking on the up and up IMO. I think Leftwich is trying to get him the ball. As he should.
Birdie048
Footballguy
I am not looking forward to Dez signing with NOS...
I am hoping Dez is more of a DECOY than real WR.... MT & Kamara will get lion's share of Brees's looks, plus Ingram & Watson...What does Dez bring to the table Tre'Quan Smith /Cam Meredith don't? I just am not comfortable with him going there as he could be more of a distraction / diva disruption than a team player...
Hard to say if this will be good for Saints..... might only be "all about Dez"!
I am hoping Dez is more of a DECOY than real WR.... MT & Kamara will get lion's share of Brees's looks, plus Ingram & Watson...What does Dez bring to the table Tre'Quan Smith /Cam Meredith don't? I just am not comfortable with him going there as he could be more of a distraction / diva disruption than a team player...
Hard to say if this will be good for Saints..... might only be "all about Dez"!
Doug B
Footballguy
A lot more experience in an Air Coryell offensive system, for one. Tre'Quan Smith is going to get there, but he's still a rookie right now and doesn't have everything down just yet.Birdie048 said:
Regarding Meredith ... this is sourceless, hyperbolic speculation: Apparently Meredith basically can't get out of bed without his knee swelling. He can get to the point where he can suit up and play, but knee swelling and pain returns quickly. He's not 100% back physically. In turn, this has kept Meredith behind mentally -- he's not gotten the practice reps he'd have needed to have fully incorporated Payton's offense (Chicago did not run Air Coryell concepts/terminology).
Gopher State
Footballguy
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Doug B
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
Yeah, Dez Bryant is not coming in to be the Number 1 WR, and he's not coming in to be the team's savior. If he shows any public signs of not embracing his complementary role (especially on the field), Payton would have no compunctions about cutting Bryant.
People really think Bryant has the stroke to try to show up Drew Brees? Dude would take an insta-seat on the pine and that would be the end of that.
People really think Bryant has the stroke to try to show up Drew Brees? Dude would take an insta-seat on the pine and that would be the end of that.
How do you know that is all on Bryant? Look at how dysfunctional Dallas and their offense has been for a while now.
SpruceGoose
Footballguy
I think people are underappreciating how dysfunctional Dallas is as an organization.
Im not saying Dez is going to be all-star level...but we've never seen him away from that mess in Texas.
Im not saying Dez is going to be all-star level...but we've never seen him away from that mess in Texas.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I really wish they played Dallas in week 14 and not week 13... He will absolutely be in my lineup when they play Dallas.
Chaka
Footballguy
This one is a real head scratcher to me. There is no team in the league more desperate for quality receivers than the Dallas Cowboys. So much so that they gave a way a high first round pick for a guy no one else in the league thought was worth more than a second. And even being that desperate, they didn't consider resigning Bryant. That speaks volumes towards his talent level and the effect he has on the locker room. This is a very un-Saints like move.
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Doug B
Footballguy
In short: the Saints simply think the book that the Dallas Cowboys wrote on Dez Bryant is wrong. We will see.
Chaka
Footballguy
Yup. I am bearish on Dez in general but the Cowboys shouldn't be viewed as a pillar of talent evaluation or coaching prowess.
Birdie048
Footballguy
How much of this is for what Dez can "share about Dallas schemes" to help NOS in Week 13 and "test the waters" for a potential short term WR3-4. Where will Dez lineup ... slot or outside Z?
I am still not happy with the potential disruption, but at least he might offer Brees an experienced outlet when Def crash!
I am still not happy with the potential disruption, but at least he might offer Brees an experienced outlet when Def crash!
BespokeJort
Footballguy
It may, instead, speak volumes on pride, burning bridges, and aversion to admitting mistakes. Dez is a bit of a jackass, but jerry Jones is arguably a bigger jackass.
Also I’d second the relative lack of concern about him being a distraction. The saints have little invested and he’s a role player. If he isn’t on his best behavior he will be cut and that will be the end of it. It’s likely not even a guaranteed contract. Where’s the risk?
They signed Adrian Peterson last year and when he acted up, they traded him. Bryant is top 10 in active receiving yards - I'm amazed it took this long for a team to take a chance on him especially with little risk to sign him.
I just watched every Dez drop from 2017 in the montage. I also watched another video of every other incompletion.
Originally I was meh about Dez' chances in New Orleans. After watching those videos and then comparing them to the Dez catches from earlier, the biggest difference I saw was that the ball placement and speed were very inconsistent under Dak. Dez looked pretty consistent. Yes, his physicality after the catch was lower... and his YAC plummeted, but that was more because he was constantly adjusting to the ball placement. On almost every single one of his catches and misses, the ball was behind him or he had to slow down for it. Now part of this was inconsistent route running, but apparently Dez finally worked on that this offseason.
On him being unemployed for the first 9 weeks, that does not carry as much weight for me.... there are now multiple tweets about him getting other offers. I think he decided up front that he would only play for a legitimate SB Contender... he kicked the tires on teams with new rookie QBs and decided they were not right for him. The teams he wanted to join (probably Pats, Rams, Steelers, Pack, Philly and Saints) were not interested in him. Plus it appears he went through some major depression last month probably the result of the Pats passing on him... combine those two and you can see the genesis of the Comment "We aren't sure if Dez wants to play football."
One thing about Payton... he knows exactly what he is looking for, and doesn't let other factors distract him.. (e.g. When he met with Kamara, all they had him do was run routes as a receiver.) If he decided to sign Dez at this point, it means the guy who showed up for the tryout said and did all the things that Payton wants him to do and say.
Bottom Line - is Dez the same WR he was in 2014?... of course not. He has lost some speed, physicality and hand strength. However, in my opinion, he has not lost as much as most think. Dez has been humbled by the process, but may come out better as a result thanks to the stewardship of Brees and Payton.
Not sure what to think about his value this year (so I wont try to predict it), but I think that he could return to being a consistent fantasy performer next year... just not elite any more. Ceiling = WR12-16, floor = valueless, probably return = WR22-26 overall next two years. Just my two cents.
Originally I was meh about Dez' chances in New Orleans. After watching those videos and then comparing them to the Dez catches from earlier, the biggest difference I saw was that the ball placement and speed were very inconsistent under Dak. Dez looked pretty consistent. Yes, his physicality after the catch was lower... and his YAC plummeted, but that was more because he was constantly adjusting to the ball placement. On almost every single one of his catches and misses, the ball was behind him or he had to slow down for it. Now part of this was inconsistent route running, but apparently Dez finally worked on that this offseason.
On him being unemployed for the first 9 weeks, that does not carry as much weight for me.... there are now multiple tweets about him getting other offers. I think he decided up front that he would only play for a legitimate SB Contender... he kicked the tires on teams with new rookie QBs and decided they were not right for him. The teams he wanted to join (probably Pats, Rams, Steelers, Pack, Philly and Saints) were not interested in him. Plus it appears he went through some major depression last month probably the result of the Pats passing on him... combine those two and you can see the genesis of the Comment "We aren't sure if Dez wants to play football."
One thing about Payton... he knows exactly what he is looking for, and doesn't let other factors distract him.. (e.g. When he met with Kamara, all they had him do was run routes as a receiver.) If he decided to sign Dez at this point, it means the guy who showed up for the tryout said and did all the things that Payton wants him to do and say.
Bottom Line - is Dez the same WR he was in 2014?... of course not. He has lost some speed, physicality and hand strength. However, in my opinion, he has not lost as much as most think. Dez has been humbled by the process, but may come out better as a result thanks to the stewardship of Brees and Payton.
Not sure what to think about his value this year (so I wont try to predict it), but I think that he could return to being a consistent fantasy performer next year... just not elite any more. Ceiling = WR12-16, floor = valueless, probably return = WR22-26 overall next two years. Just my two cents.
Of course not @Chaka
Bryant, Dez NOS WR‐ 65.14
Crowder, Jamison WAS WR (Q)35.9048.03
Gordon, Josh NEP WR82.30113.14
Matthews, Jordan PHI WR36.00910.03
I was basically staring at at donut every week until this news hit once Tate moved to Philly.
Chaka
Footballguy
Ohhhhh, sorry the answer we were looking for was "No, I don't think I'll ever get over Josh Gordon!"
Doug B
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Freaking LOLZ.Chaka said:
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Good to see he showed up in shape.......
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
anyone know his contract status?
does he get paid?
turning down BAL's $7mm per year multi-year contract in the offseason now seems crazy.
does he get paid?
turning down BAL's $7mm per year multi-year contract in the offseason now seems crazy.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Yes. It's usually not a good idea to just up and start training doing explosive type moves when you haven't been doing them for a while.
Yes, it can happen to anyone. Yes, if you try and run routes at full speed your chances of tearing your Achilles is higher if you are in lesser shape.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Freak accident. You plant and turn the wrong way on grass of turf... the common age group is men 35-55 so Dez just got snakebit
Doug B
Footballguy
No signing bonus, and no portion of his salary is guaranteed.
I am sure the Saints will reach an injury settlement with Bryant. What I don't know is if that settlement counts against the salary cap (I thought not, but not really sure).
