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***Official*** Dwayne Washington, RB, DET (1 Viewer)

Injuries happen. At least he was getting chances before the injury. This Lions team is a mess right now. 

 
theothervcruz said:
The caveat is the guy has to have been on your bench that week. Which Washington was for this particular league. 
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He was still an option to you (and no one else) at his gametime. Not right, IMO, that you can drop him after his game for a free agent. Correctly configured system should not allow that.

 
whiskey7 said:
Understood. But you shouldn't ever be able to drop a player who already played that week to add a FA.
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The caveat is that you had to have them on the bench (not affecting anything).  

Isn't a matter of should or shouldn't.. we are telling you how it is.

 
matuski said:
The caveat is that you had to have them on the bench (not affecting anything).  

Isn't a matter of should or shouldn't.. we are telling you how it is.
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Yup. So semantics aside, that's why I am hoping they give some Washington injury news ASAP because I'd like to know whether or not I should drop him.

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
Not in my yahoo leagues. Philly's def is available off waivers 10/5
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I checked 4 of my leagues and in 2 leagues it's this way and in 2 leagues it's the other way <shrug>

I'm the commish in none of them, so I just take whatever setting is given. It might seem odd to some that I can just pick up Ertz or the Philly defense right now but I can. So I should take advantage of that, right?

I have Delanie as my TE and New England as my D/ST. So yeah, wondering if it's worth it to drop Washington to add either.

 
Why are people saying he looked good prior to the injury?  He had 2 rushes for 6 yards and 1 catch for 8.  Not much of a sample set to draw conclusions from.

Really hope we get some kind of definitive injury news prior to midnight tomorrow.

 
Chaka said:
Why are people saying he looked good prior to the injury?  He had 2 rushes for 6 yards and 1 catch for 8.  Not much of a sample set to draw conclusions from.

Really hope we get some kind of definitive injury news prior to midnight tomorrow.
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He looked good on a couple of runs the week before when all this chatter was just getting rolling.

He got stuffed at the LOS just like Riddick yesterday and nothing he did on those two runs should be called looking good, his positive gains were okay nothing to write all these pages about.

The Lions made the Bears defense look good yesterday would be my main observation.

 
matuski said:
The caveat is that you had to have them on the bench (not affecting anything).  

Isn't a matter of should or shouldn't.. we are telling you how it is.
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I disagree that it doesn't affect anything. I understand that is how it is in your league.  I don't agree with setting a league up that way. I don't want to hijack this thread any further so leaving it at that.

 
whiskey7 said:
I disagree that it doesn't affect anything. I understand that is how it is in your league.  I don't agree with setting a league up that way. I don't want to hijack this thread any further so leaving it at that.
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I will leave it at this - your agreement is irrelevant. Yahoo does this, we did not.

 
theothervcruz said:
I checked 4 of my leagues and in 2 leagues it's this way and in 2 leagues it's the other way <shrug>

I'm the commish in none of them, so I just take whatever setting is given. It might seem odd to some that I can just pick up Ertz or the Philly defense right now but I can. So I should take advantage of that, right?

I have Delanie as my TE and New England as my D/ST. So yeah, wondering if it's worth it to drop Washington to add either.
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FTR, I was not ripping anyone who takes advantage of the way their system is set. I am ripping the system setting that allows it.

 
I would say stop bickering so we can talk about Washington, but really is there anything left to discuss? I was wrong saying he was a risky start with a floor of 4-5 points. In this offense/opp he has an even lower floor. 28 pages of hype here.

 
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Admittedly I did not watch the game, but looking at the play-by-play, it's hard to take much away from yesterday.  It looks like Riddick got the first two series, Washington got the third (and touched the ball 3 of 5 downs), then Riddick had a series, and Washington got hurt on the first play on the next series.  He touched the ball on 4 of the 6 downs he was in.

Riddick got more early work that a lot of us would have liked, but I would not make a ton of conclusions from just over a quarter of play.  Riddick is a great receiving back, but not a great early down between the tackles guy.  Someone needs to fill that role and the best player to do that is Washington.  I would certainly be holding if his injury isn't serious. 

 
whiskey7 said:
Understood. But you shouldn't ever be able to drop a player who already played that week to add a FA.
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Yeah, I joined a league this year and will not be returning because of the dumb claim system they are running.  They don't lock down free agents so those that are watching games and get first news on a major injury can pounce on anyone.  I have too many things going on in my life to do this so I'm at a disadvantage.  Any league that allows you to add free agents after a teams game has started that week sux.

 
mnmplayer said:
I would say stop bickering so we can talk about Washington, but really is there anything left to discuss? I was wrong saying he was a risky start with a floor of 4-5 points. In this offense/opp he has an even lower floor. 28 pages of hype here.
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You've decided his 3 total touch (before getting injured) game is enough to write him off as just hype?

BTW, nice avi :lmao:

 
whiskey7 said:
You've decided his 3 total touch (before getting injured) game is enough to write him off as just hype?

BTW, nice avi :lmao:
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Nah I posted it was hype well before this game. People were passing on guys like Jordan Howard for Washington based upon hype. Go ahead and look up the threads. I won't bother.

 
mnmplayer said:
Nah I posted it was hype well before this game. People were passing on guys like Jordan Howard for Washington based upon hype. Go ahead and look up the threads. I won't bother.
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I passed on Howard for Washington - which with the power of hindsight I obviously regret - but for me it had nothing to do with "hype". For me it came down to Washington could have been the lead back the entire season whereas Howard could have been the lead back for a few weeks while Langford was out. I bought into opportunity and it is what it is.

 
Welp, this is the way it goes with lottery ticket RBs. Sometimes you get Dwayne Washington, sometimes you get Jordan Howard.

But that's kind of the point. Keep taking shots and hope you catch lightning in a bottle. Everyone loves to talk about the late-year RBs that emerge and win people championships.

Well, this is how you find those guys. By trial and error and staying on top of it.

It's all just hype or lack thereof until they actually take the field and we see what they can really do. But you have to make that leap before seeing them on the field in most cases, or they'll be gone.

 
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theothervcruz said:
I passed on Howard for Washington - which with the power of hindsight I obviously regret - but for me it had nothing to do with "hype". For me it came down to Washington could have been the lead back the entire season whereas Howard could have been the lead back for a few weeks while Langford was out. I bought into opportunity and it is what it is.
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glad u posted this. several times i wanted to ask why anyone would pick Washington over Howard if you needed a starter right now. Howard was the uncontested starter for this past sunday, washington obviously wasn't going into the game. This logic makes perfect sense whether i agree with it or not.

 
hamsterdam said:
He was actually in the game in their last series.

http://a.video.nfl.com/films/2016/NFL_COM/in-game-highlight/NFLCOM/REG/4/161002_bp_stafford_intercepted_by_hall_619351_1200k.mp4
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Nice pick up.  I was still flipping back to that game as a Marvin Jones owner and had no idea he'd returned to the game.  I assumed he didnt play another snap after the injury.

Like Mikel said, hearing ankle AND foot is concerning but early signs are that he shouldnt miss much time, if at all. 

Now its still a matter of how much opportunity he continues to get and whether or not he can be effective A) at all and B) with a banged up foot/ankle.

Still a hold for me though I can afford to be patient with my RB situation.  I can certainly understand dropping him for those that need to plug someone in their lineups now.

 
Hold on a minute.  How is this good news?  A sprained foot is a different injury than a sprained ankle.  This confirms that he has two injuries.  A sprained ankle is minor.  A sprained foot reminds me of something relating to lisfranc.

 
steelwind said:
Hold on a minute.  How is this good news?  A sprained foot is a different injury than a sprained ankle.  This confirms that he has two injuries.  A sprained ankle is minor.  A sprained foot reminds me of something relating to lisfranc.
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If he can play this week, that's the good news.  The fear was a multi-week injury.  Agree, the foot and ankle sprains are worrisome.  Whether he can be effective or not remains to be seen.

 
lod001 said:
That looks like a guy that has nothing wrong with his foot and ankle. Too bad Stafford sucks because all he had to do is wait another 1/2 sec and he could get Washington the ball for the 1st down.
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Why was he in the game on the last play? I see he will most likely be playing next week according to team so it doesn't appear to be serious.  It would be valuable to know if his usage was based upon an injury or a coaches decision. I heard he limped off the field, but many RBs limp off the field for a play or two and get right back in on the next play or series. Jordan Howard came out briefly and missed 3 carries for instance.

 
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This guy is frustrating.  Seemed to be some hope to hold while he builds up to a decent usage.  The injury sets that plan back a week. 

 
According to Rotoworld he "seems unlikely to play this week" and they quote a beat writer who said he was limping noticeably in the locker room after the game.

They also stated though that he never returned after the injury in the 2nd quarter, which we now know is not true.  Frustrating if you are counting on him now but I'd rather sim him sit and get right.  

Also thinking he will get dropped in a bunch of leagues so if you are still a believer in redraft this may provide an opportunity to acquire him. 

 
steelwind said:
Hold on a minute.  How is this good news?  A sprained foot is a different injury than a sprained ankle.  This confirms that he has two injuries.  A sprained ankle is minor.  A sprained foot reminds me of something relating to lisfranc.
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Him being out on the field during the final series of the game would lead me to believe that this "injury" will be brief. Didn't look hobbled at all. I'm no doctor, though.

 
GoBirds said:
Do you keep waiting on him if someone like Smallwood available? Have to drop right?
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I don't think he's a must-drop by any means, but it really depends on what kind of league you're in.

In my 10 team league, I'll probably move on because the wire is plentiful. In my 12 team league, this dude could pay huge dividends at some point down the line (production, or trade chip), and has some value.

 
tricky92 said:
I don't think he's a must-drop by any means, but it really depends on what kind of league you're in.

In my 10 team league, I'll probably move on because the wire is plentiful. In my 12 team league, this dude could pay huge dividends at some point down the line (production, or trade chip), and has some value.
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I agree with most that if you can afford to hold him and keep Washington on the bench for the next few weeks he is a hold. If your team is plagued with injuries you may have to drop him. I still think the upside is there, IMO we didn't learn anything this week. Between his injury and the whole lions O sucking there wasn't much there. 

If we hear more news before waivers run about a multi week injury I will most likely drop him.

 
steelwind said:
Hold on a minute.  How is this good news?  A sprained foot is a different injury than a sprained ankle.  This confirms that he has two injuries.  A sprained ankle is minor.  A sprained foot reminds me of something relating to lisfranc.
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Sprained foot does not automatically equal lisfranc. But yes, foot injuries, especially to RBs and WRs, always scare me the most. I think I said this upthread discussing the Abdullah injury, but you could argue that a foot injury is among the worst for fantasy owners, because it can often lead to long-term, even season-ending, absences, but unlike ACL/Achilles/patellar tendon, its severity isn't always immediately apparent. So you get guys like MJD a few years ago, always teasing his imminent return but ending up missing the final 12 games of the season.

If Washington's re-emergence at the end of the game indicates the injury isn't that severe, that's great news. But I would definitely keep a close eye on his medical reports.

In my case, he's at the end of my bench and I don't need him until Week 11 at the earliest (when Lamar Miller is on bye). On the other hand, Corey Coleman is out there on waivers. So I put in a claim on CC and if I get it, great. If not, I'll hold onto DW until there's more news.

 
Skoo said:
Welp, this is the way it goes with lottery ticket RBs. Sometimes you get Dwayne Washington, sometimes you get Jordan Howard.

But that's kind of the point. Keep taking shots and hope you catch lightning in a bottle. Everyone loves to talk about the late-year RBs that emerge and win people championships.

Well, this is how you find those guys. By trial and error and staying on top of it.

It's all just hype or lack thereof until they actually take the field and we see what they can really do. But you have to make that leap before seeing them on the field in most cases, or they'll be gone.
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You say that like Dwayne Washington success was equally probable to Howard's success (it wasn't).

 
It's a shame we didn't get clarity on this guy this week, makes it a tough call as to whether or not to hold him or go after someone on the WW tonight.  We're still not sure if this guy is a scrub or a player (or how bad his injury is) which puts him in the running for low man on the totem pole.

 
Rove! said:
You say that like Dwayne Washington success was equally probable to Howard's success (it wasn't).
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The names have nothing to do with my post. The point I was making is that when you pick up a guy who has never been on the field in a meaningful role before, it's going to be a gamble. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But you'll never strike gold if you don't take a shot.

Reading comprehension. There's a reason they stress it in school.

 
Chaka said:
It's a shame we didn't get clarity on this guy this week, makes it a tough call as to whether or not to hold him or go after someone on the WW tonight.  We're still not sure if this guy is a scrub or a player (or how bad his injury is) which puts him in the running for low man on the totem pole.
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On the verge of dropping him for Dixon ...

 
They face PHI next week who is coming off a bye so will be well versed in DET's Offense and who shut down PIT D (look what they did to KC, sure w/Bell back, but then they were not suffering in the scoring department in the two games prior to the PHI game even without Bell) the prior week. Even if he plays, do you really think splitting time with Zenner(a better short yardage back who actually put out better film last week)/Riddick (entrenched as the pass catching back/starter) is going to amount to much? He's a drop in short benches, especially as many good teams are on bye this week. I have to cover Brees's and Ware's bye so dropping him for a streaming QB option this week. Most likely he will put up a dud next week and if you are really high on him you can pick him back up again after week5. 

In a keeper/dynasty he's still a stash.

 
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