You're the living embodiment of the frog in boiling water. As long as you slowly pile the corruption on top of Hilary, you are happy to just sit in that water.
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Paulymaggs
Footballguy
If he'd had the opportunity, Trump would dominate HRC at the "pay for play" game.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Trump himself has called himself a "player." Baffles me why reporters don't ask him about this more.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Ever hear of this case?
My point to Tim is that criminal corruption is not a matter of some Bad Guy exchanging a briefcase full of money in return for some specific favor from Politician X. Direct quid pro quo like Tim imagines is really pretty rare and it's not the situation in many political corruption cases.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Hillary faces unusual order to undergo deposition in writing.
- This will allow her to avoid an in person deposition but it will be under oath.
- This will allow her to avoid an in person deposition but it will be under oath.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
I hope you mean that "having the meetings wasn't wrong" when you say "she did nothing wrong" because if you really mean the latter, that's not what the ruling meant at all. Not sure why people keep trying so very hard to blur the line between "right/wrong" and "legal/illegal".
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Good start, especially because they'll begin work on this:
- Simplify and expand the healthcare tax credit for small employers in the Affordable Care Act, so that even more employers can provide quality, affordable healthcare to their workers. She will make sure that small businesses with up to 50 employees can be eligible for the credit, and she will simplify complex phase-out and eligibility rules so that it’s easier for many more small businesses to get the credit and cover their workers.
- Allow more small businesses pool together to offer retirement plans, making it easier for small businesses to offer retirement accounts to their employees.
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For thousands of years we had a norm in Europe of feudalistic states that rested comfortably on in a four legged stool: government, nepotism, dynasty and church.
Dark Ages, followed by centuries of war and still oppressive monarchy.
Our forefathers realized that oppression needed a base, a table of sorts, and determined to saw off the legs of private money, nepotism and church.
Government must stand alone as a tall stilt, to the degree possible.
Despite flaws, our system has managed to exist in its best form with that stilt, and oppression cannot reside atop it without constant wobble.
At the core of why I revile what Hillary represents is because she is the pinnacle of a long-term effort by many to rebuild the table. (It's happened on both "sides," which is why I also revile the two party system; but Clintons have been closest Svengalis to get media and people to go along).
The Right tries with all its might and has been partially successful in re-erecting that church leg.
Hillary supports the raising of the nepotism and dynasty legs to whatever degree she can get away with and will try like hell to pull them as tall and straight as she can get them.
What we have in this country today are all steel cables with cranes hoisting the three legs that should not stand, that must not stand for us to be Americans, to heights they simply are not supposed to be.
The vast majority of us sit below this table in its shadow.
Hillary and crew will laize atop with pot bellies and outstretched legs.
Dark Ages, followed by centuries of war and still oppressive monarchy.
Our forefathers realized that oppression needed a base, a table of sorts, and determined to saw off the legs of private money, nepotism and church.
Government must stand alone as a tall stilt, to the degree possible.
Despite flaws, our system has managed to exist in its best form with that stilt, and oppression cannot reside atop it without constant wobble.
At the core of why I revile what Hillary represents is because she is the pinnacle of a long-term effort by many to rebuild the table. (It's happened on both "sides," which is why I also revile the two party system; but Clintons have been closest Svengalis to get media and people to go along).
The Right tries with all its might and has been partially successful in re-erecting that church leg.
Hillary supports the raising of the nepotism and dynasty legs to whatever degree she can get away with and will try like hell to pull them as tall and straight as she can get them.
What we have in this country today are all steel cables with cranes hoisting the three legs that should not stand, that must not stand for us to be Americans, to heights they simply are not supposed to be.
The vast majority of us sit below this table in its shadow.
Hillary and crew will laize atop with pot bellies and outstretched legs.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Well, she is a Republican, essentially. Fiscal policy, international policy. Just because she's to the left of Cruz socially is what maintains her representing as a Democrat.
Excellent.
These are CONSERVATIVE ideas. Every person here who calls himself a conservative should like these ideas.
The Commish
Footballguy
Them's fightin' words around these here parts.Well, she is a Republican, essentially. Fiscal policy, international policy. Just because she's to the left of Cruz socially is what maintains her representing as a Democrat.
Excellent.
These are CONSERVATIVE ideas. Every person here who calls himself a conservative should like these ideas.
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HellToupee
Footballguy
She wears a D uniform . Can't be true . Trump wears a R , he has to be republican .
Shes a dishonest Mitt Romney without his business background
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Tim's pretty much made the same argument. Hell Chris Matthews called her a Rockefeller Republican to her face and she did not blink an eye.
The silence is deafening.
The Commish
Footballguy
Then he's making progress...maybe there's hope yet. The "Hillary is a liberal" hill was one he, squis, TGunz etc were willing to die on at one point in this thread.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
You know what you're right, I forgot about that. That was important to Tim when Sanders was embarrassing her on her ideology almost every day.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Hillary stands down on Powell.
- Good move.
- Her behavior on the Kimmel appearance was stupid, but this is better.
- Good move.
- Her behavior on the Kimmel appearance was stupid, but this is better.
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Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
I should add that she will appoint left leaning justices, importantly. So even though she personally may be center, those appointments are a key difference.
Parrothead
Footballguy
she lies so casually and naturally.. its almost like an art form with her 
She'll need to create a new Czar position to keep track of her lies. Probably will be some people available at the foundation if they can afford the pay cut.she lies so casually and naturally.. its almost like an art form with her
HellToupee
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
Creepy John Podesta has had this role for years...he has done it so well he has earned the title of Czar of Lies...
timschochet
Footballguy
Hillary will be giving a major speech today in Reno, Nevada, on the alt-right movement, how it is essentially a white supremacist movement, and Donald Trump's close ties to it.
timschochet
Footballguy
Hillary is s conservative in some ways, but she is a progressive in others. For instance she believes that man made climate change is an extremely important issue and that the federal government needs to be involved in trying to solve it. She believes that the federal government should be heavily involved in education, social issues, and questions of race. Those are decidedly not conservative positions.
She is in-between, pragmatic. Like FDR her main political philosophy is to do what works.
She is in-between, pragmatic. Like FDR her main political philosophy is to do what works.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
I skimmed and I am giving a tentative like until I read more in depth..I especially like the part where Hillary is a pot bellied pig...
HellToupee
Footballguy
Seems like a mistake to me . Kind of legitimizes them , almost a recruiting tool for potential trump votes
badmojo1006
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Not sure why I am asking, but I am...what are the "close ties" that Trump has to the organization?
bueno
In a class by himself
saintfool
Dead sexy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
So you're misguided. That has nothing to do with whether a Presidential candidate is unduly influenced toward favoring a bad deal for the majority of U.S. citizens by the millions of dollars contributed to their campaign by high money interests.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Megaton
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Not an organization- a movement. And Trump's biggest tie to it is the guy he just hired to be in charge of his campaign.The Commish said:
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
I want so bad for her to pick Obama for the SCOTUS. He would be the perfect match and he would be relatively young, we would have him for YEARS.SaintsInDome2006 said:
timschochet
Footballguy
Why? Are you suggesting alt-right is not white supremacist?saintfool said:
HellToupee
Footballguy
saintfool
Dead sexy
i think a more nuanced answer might be in order from her. painting with such broad brushstrokes doesn't allow for that.
ETA - it's not unlike Obama's mistake with "people clinging to their guns, religion" comment. suggesting those that support Trump are white supremacists or whatever does little to draw supporters away from him.
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Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
He did his time. He's done. He'll give speeches , start a charity etc.
squistion
Footballguy
Being on SCOTUS is probably the dream of any professor who has taught constitutional law. And what better way to help preserve his legacy? He would be viewed as the actual successor to Thurgood Marshall (Thomas was hyped as that by the right, but his votes have hardly been liberal or progressive and has done little to help AAs or other minorities).
To be fair, most professors who have taught constitutional law haven't been POTUS. I'm not saying he wouldn't do it, but let's not pretend he isn't a special case.
timschochet
Footballguy
Never happen. It would be seen as a purely political move which would allow every Republican senator to vote against.
squistion
Footballguy
No, wrong_mx, he wasn't. He was however hyped as filling the minority "black" chair on SCOTUS and it was believed that was the only reason that he was nominated over a Caucasian, which was to give the appearance that Marshall was being replaced. It really fooled nobody at the time, outside of some of the faithful on the right.
The Commish
Footballguy
I'm not sure Hillary wants to go down this rabbit hole does she? Does she want people doing the "guilty by association" shtick with her? I can't imagine she does.
Megaton
Footballguy
You have an extremely bizarre and twisted view of history. Nobody was fooled or was there any attempt to. Nobody was hyped as a Marshall-like replacement. There was pressure from the left to appoint an African-American. Thomas's positions were well known. Your spin as always is interesting in a humorous way.
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