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HellToupee said:
It's time for Hillary to step down . I know it supposed to be her turn but how can Bill as a husband support her running. This is lunacy folks. It's is.
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You know that answer..because Bill does not give a dam about her nor she about him.  Bill wants to play poker in the White House again and I don`t blame him.

 
HellToupee said:
Total :bs:  narrative you are putting forth and McCain's health was a part of the Obama campaign
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But the press/public largely rejected its relevance, which is the point.

I personally don't think the sexism stuff is total BS, but it doesn't really matter which one of us is correct. It's fairly easy to hold up the contrast between the press treatment of Clinton's health concerns and those of a long list of male candidates/presidents and claim sexism, and it will be effective with female voters even if you can nitpick other variables that may account for the disparity in a particular case.

Again that all assumes she's pretty much 100% in two weeks for the debates.  If not, that changes things.

 
timschochet said:
The other thing going on here is sexism. If Hillary was a man, her pneumonia would still be a big story, no doubt. But there would be significantly less concern. Eisenhower was re-elected after having a heart attack; he was perceived as "tough". John McCain had had cancer, and it was barely an issue in that campaign (despite the fact that his VP choice was scary.) 

Men in politics are assumed to be strong; women are assumed to be weak. 
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If John McCain had collapsed in public, it absolutely would have been an issue.  

 
timschochet said:
Never said it wouldn't have been. But what I'm saying is that the resulting assumptions would be different. 
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What are the underlying assumptions?

If Trump had collapsed yesterday in the same manner as Clinton, we would all be talking about how dumb it was to nominate a 70-yo man with a quack for a doctor.  His campaign would be over.

 
Someone must have changed the password to King Cheeto's twitter.  I expected a barrage of insulting tweets but instead it's been basically crickets.  Trump's team is getting more confident by the day I imagine. 

 
flapgreen said:
I know you're getting it on the internet.  That's the problem with the internet these days.  People think Google makes them a medical professional. 
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Where did I claim to be a medical professional? 

Also, I have had pneumonia before and spent 3 days in the hospital. That and basic stuff I have read and heard is the limit of my knowledge...which is similar to what others in this thread know about pneumonia.

 
timschochet said:
The other thing going on here is sexism. If Hillary was a man, her pneumonia would still be a big story, no doubt. But there would be significantly less concern. Eisenhower was re-elected after having a heart attack; he was perceived as "tough". John McCain had had cancer, and it was barely an issue in that campaign (despite the fact that his VP choice was scary.) 

Men in politics are assumed to be strong; women are assumed to be weak. 
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Give it a rest.  Eisenhower was President well before the 24/7 news cycle and social media.  I admittedly don't know the specifics on him though.  John McCain's age and health was a huge part of Obama's campaign.  So much a part that he released over 1000 pages of medical records to the media.  Don't call people sexist when you have no clue what you're talking about.  

 
You guys are seriously mis-remembering 2008 if you think McCain didn't face scrutiny due to his age and medical history.

 
I think the campaign is breaking new ground - they are leaking stuff to People magazine now, to support the pneumonia story:

The illness that sickened Hillary Clinton with pneumonia and caused her to have to be escorted away from September 11 ceremonies in New York on Sunday also struck down several members of her campaign team at Clinton headquarters in Brooklyn, PEOPLE has learned. 

"Everyone's been sick," a campaign source tells PEOPLE. 

At the end of August, two weeks before Clinton was diagnosed with pneumonia, a debilitating bug was making the rounds among staff at her headquarters and campaign aides who travel with Clinton, a source tells PEOPLE. 

At least half a dozen senior staff were felled, including campaign manager Robby Mook. Two top advisers even needed emergency medical treatment, the source says. One top adviser diagnosed at a Brooklyn urgent-care center with a respiratory infection was being treated with antibiotics in the days before Clinton's diagnosis. Another top adviser was taken by ambulance to the ER by ambulance after collapsing from what turned out to be severe dehydration, the source said. 

:lol:

 
bleachercreacher said:
Give it a rest.  Eisenhower was President well before the 24/7 news cycle and social media.  I admittedly don't know the specifics on him though.  John McCain's age and health was a huge part of Obama's campaign.  So much a part that he released over 1000 pages of medical records to the media.  Don't call people sexist when you have no clue what you're talking about.  
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It is absolutely sexism plus the double standard that always surrounds Hillary Clinton.

Of course if McCain had fainted it would be a huge story. But do you think there would have been this sort of conspiracy talk? Body doubles? Parkinson's disease?

 
Phil Elliott said:
Would it be considered medical malpractice to lie about a patient's  diagnosis?
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To the public?  No.   Doctor has no fiduciary duty to the public, only the patient.

I don't really doubt the pneumonia diagnosis - the real question is whether there is any underlying concern that is weakening the immune system prior to the pneumonia taking hold.

 
For now the only real damage done is that it buried some negative Trump stories this weekend like the one about him scamming 9/11 small business recovery funds or using his Foundation (i.e. other people's money) to buy a six foot self-portrait.
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Another Trump story that went under-reported this weekend: audio of Trump bragging on 9/11 that his building was now the tallest in Manhattan

“It was an amazing phone call.” Trump replied. “I mean 40 Wall Street actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan. And it was actually before the World Trade Center was the tallest. And then when they built the World Trade Center it became known as the second tallest. And now it’s the tallest!”
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Sinn Fein said:
I think the campaign is breaking new ground - they are leaking stuff to People magazine now, to support the pneumonia story:

The illness that sickened Hillary Clinton with pneumonia and caused her to have to be escorted away from September 11 ceremonies in New York on Sunday also struck down several members of her campaign team at Clinton headquarters in Brooklyn, PEOPLE has learned. 

"Everyone's been sick," a campaign source tells PEOPLE. 

At the end of August, two weeks before Clinton was diagnosed with pneumonia, a debilitating bug was making the rounds among staff at her headquarters and campaign aides who travel with Clinton, a source tells PEOPLE. 

At least half a dozen senior staff were felled, including campaign manager Robby Mook. Two top advisers even needed emergency medical treatment, the source says. One top adviser diagnosed at a Brooklyn urgent-care center with a respiratory infection was being treated with antibiotics in the days before Clinton's diagnosis. Another top adviser was taken by ambulance to the ER by ambulance after collapsing from what turned out to be severe dehydration, the source said. 

:lol:
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Sounds highly contagious. Has anyone checked on that little girl she infected yesterday? What about the handler that had to retrieve her lost orthopedic shoe? 

 
Sinn Fein said:
I think the campaign is breaking new ground - they are leaking stuff to People magazine now, to support the pneumonia story:

The illness that sickened Hillary Clinton with pneumonia and caused her to have to be escorted away from September 11 ceremonies in New York on Sunday also struck down several members of her campaign team at Clinton headquarters in Brooklyn, PEOPLE has learned. 

"Everyone's been sick," a campaign source tells PEOPLE. 

At the end of August, two weeks before Clinton was diagnosed with pneumonia, a debilitating bug was making the rounds among staff at her headquarters and campaign aides who travel with Clinton, a source tells PEOPLE. 

At least half a dozen senior staff were felled, including campaign manager Robby Mook. Two top advisers even needed emergency medical treatment, the source says. One top adviser diagnosed at a Brooklyn urgent-care center with a respiratory infection was being treated with antibiotics in the days before Clinton's diagnosis. Another top adviser was taken by ambulance to the ER by ambulance after collapsing from what turned out to be severe dehydration, the source said. 

:lol:
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Sounds like a staff infection....... I'll show myself out.

 
timschochet said:
The other thing going on here is sexism. If Hillary was a man, her pneumonia would still be a big story, no doubt. But there would be significantly less concern. Eisenhower was re-elected after having a heart attack; he was perceived as "tough". John McCain had had cancer, and it was barely an issue in that campaign (despite the fact that his VP choice was scary.) 

Men in politics are assumed to be strong; women are assumed to be weak. 
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shader said:
Jennifer GranholmVerified account‏@JenGranholm


To press lamenting @HillaryClinton's health/transparency: "powering through" illness is what women do: Stoically, every. single. day.
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It is sort of weirdly sexist, I agree. Here the defense of Hillary from her own surrogate is that hey women have these special health problems and so gosh Hillary has to power through.

The American people really do not give a damn about why or how a candidate has health problems, though age with Hillary and McCain is obviously a big part of it. They don't want to hear that their president will be able to 'power through' any illnesses or sicknesses or disabilities. They just want a healthy leader who projects a strong, confident, capable demeanor.

 
timschochet said:
It is absolutely sexism plus the double standard that always surrounds Hillary Clinton.

Of course if McCain had fainted it would be a huge story. But do you think there would have been this sort of conspiracy talk? Body doubles? Parkinson's disease?
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There's always going to be crazy conspiracy talk, from people on both sides.  Hell, there's people that think George Bush himself flew a plane into the world trade centers.  It doesn't mean it's sexist, racist, or anything else, it's just the world we live in.  If McCain, Trump, Obama, Bush, Gore, or any recent presidential candidate had fainted, there would be a group on the other side with the same exact diagnoses.  

Fainting can literally be nothing, or it can be an indicator of a serious medical condition.  When you add the fact that this is now multiple times she has fainted, it should be concerning regardless of your politics.

 
bleachercreacher said:
If McCain, Trump, Obama, Bush, Gore, or any recent presidential candidate had fainted, there would be a group on the other side with the same exact diagnoses.  
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I think there's a big difference between somebody like McCain/Dole/Clinton/Trump fainting vs. Obama/Bush/Gore/Romney.  The first group is a bunch of old people who are not in the best of health to begin with.  If Obama (for example) got pneumonia, I don't think anybody would be making an issue out of it.  

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I think there's a big difference between somebody like McCain/Dole/Clinton/Trump fainting vs. Obama/Bush/Gore/Romney.  The first group is a bunch of old people who are not in the best of health to begin with.  If Obama (for example) got pneumonia, I don't think anybody would be making an issue out of it.  
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If Obama (for example) fainted and then his camp released two different stories on what happened, people would freak out.  There are people that don't even think he was born in America.

 
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The media is now praising and thanking Clinton for not having press conferences and answering their questions because she was contagious. A woman of the people. 

 
Well, I guess this is one way to approach the "issues" in the campaign.  So far, her defenders have said the positive outcome from her making the stupid statements about Trump supporters was that they weren't talking about emails anymore.  Now, I guess the positive of her being "sick" is that they aren't talking about her stupid comments about Trump supporters.

Quite frankly, the ONLY thing that has shocked me about her comments about Trump supporters is Trump's inability to sieze on those comments by pointing out all the contributors to the Clinton Foundation who are racists, misogynists & homophobes.  Hell Johnson gets it and commented...even kooky Stein gets it....how does this idiot whiff on the layup of all layups?

 
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Grace Under Pressure said:
So let me get this straight,. if they get another D in there, you'll vote for them over Trump, but not for Hillary over Trump. Got it. I may have been born at night, but not last night.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I am voting for Gary Johnson because Hillary is the D candidate. If Biden or Sanders or Kaine were the D candidate, I would vote for any of them. I will not vote for Hillary - her lack of moral compass is disqualifying IMO. I will not vote for Trump under any circumstance. Perhaps I am the exception that proves your rule. :shrug:  

 
Sinn Fein said:
I think the campaign is breaking new ground - they are leaking stuff to People magazine now, to support the pneumonia story:

The illness that sickened Hillary Clinton with pneumonia and caused her to have to be escorted away from September 11 ceremonies in New York on Sunday also struck down several members of her campaign team at Clinton headquarters in Brooklyn, PEOPLE has learned. 

"Everyone's been sick," a campaign source tells PEOPLE. 

At the end of August, two weeks before Clinton was diagnosed with pneumonia, a debilitating bug was making the rounds among staff at her headquarters and campaign aides who travel with Clinton, a source tells PEOPLE. 

At least half a dozen senior staff were felled, including campaign manager Robby Mook. Two top advisers even needed emergency medical treatment, the source says. One top adviser diagnosed at a Brooklyn urgent-care center with a respiratory infection was being treated with antibiotics in the days before Clinton's diagnosis. Another top adviser was taken by ambulance to the ER by ambulance after collapsing from what turned out to be severe dehydration, the source said. 

:lol:
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This election is just surreal....

so the the narrative is now that she had a contagious disease and she's out there mingling with the public...running to Chelsea's to play with her grandkids and taking a photo op with a kid on the sidewalk.....

It's bizarro land

 
soothsayer said:
I can't speak for anyone else, but I am voting for Gary Johnson because Hillary is the D candidate. If Biden or Sanders or Kaine were the D candidate, I would vote for any of them. I will not vote for Hillary - her lack of moral compass is disqualifying IMO. I will not vote for Trump under any circumstance. Perhaps I am the exception that proves your rule. :shrug:  
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It makes perfect sense actually. I find the argument that anyone would switch their vote from Trump to any other D but Hillary to be laughable. 

 
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Look if it is just regular way pneumonia I don't think that is a major issue.  However, as is typically the case Clinton and her campaign keep everything under wraps tell multiple stories and it appears there is something more there.  Given there history I just don't trust them.

If it was pneumonia they should have told people that right when she was diagnosed and slowed down her schedule.  Don't try and hide the facts from people so it comes out during a fainting spell.  

All that said, she doesn't appear to be insane.  Trump has yet to show me that is not the case with him.  

 
Sinn Fein said:
At the end of August, two weeks before Clinton was diagnosed with pneumonia, a debilitating bug was making the rounds among staff at her headquarters and campaign aides who travel with Clinton, a source tells PEOPLE. 
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The problem for me is that coughing is a sure sign of pneumonia, yes, true, and yet Hillary has been bedeviled by these coughing fits since January. I do think she has something respiratory going on since January at least.

eta - I agree with all the comments about 'well Trump', yeah true, but by the same token the people just have a right to know what is actually going on.

 
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While you all are debating the reaction if another candidate had fainted or come down with pneumonia at age 68, it's probably worth noting that virtually any other candidate except Obama could have gotten away with simply not attending due to illness IMO.  Take a pass, claim a bad flu bug, find some other way to show you care about the victims of 9/11 and national security a couple days later, and that's that.  Only Clinton and Obama would get killed for bailing because of the various types of mud slung at them. That, IMO, is where Clinton is being held to a different standard. 

 
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TobiasFunke said:
While you all are debating the reaction if another candidate had fainted or come down with pneumonia at age 68, it's probably worth noting that virtually any other candidate except Obama could have gotten away with simply not attending due to illness IMO.  Take a pass, claim a bad flu bug, find some other way to show you care about the victims of 9/11 and national security a couple days later, and that's that.  Only Clinton and Obama would get killed for bailing because of the various types of mud slung at them.
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I think she had to show up.  That is why she was there.  She knew that not showing up would be bad politically - maybe just as bad as being shoved into a van because you have no muscle control.  

But, once there, she should have been hydrating continuously.  Not doing that was irresponsible.  Assuming the pneumonia is the real issue here....

 
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Anthony Borbely said:
Where did I claim to be a medical professional? 

Also, I have had pneumonia before and spent 3 days in the hospital. That and basic stuff I have read and heard is the limit of my knowledge...which is similar to what others in this thread know about pneumonia.
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my kid almost died from it.   

a lot of old people die from pneumonia, its just a medical reality you can look it up.

 
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