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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)

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The Commish said:
You must not read the posts you reply to.  I'd recommend going back and reading the post you replied to.  It had to do with honesty.  It had nothing to do with NATO, so I don't know why you brought that up other than to shift the discussion.  Good news is, I agree that she's been largely consistent in her political career (if you're referring to her actions of course).  Her words, not so much.

Back to my comment, you should reread it before you go :hophead:  about my "wash" comment.  I was very specific and deliberate with my words and you STILL brought out your broad brush in what I assume was another attempt to put words in another person's mouth and attack them as if that's what they said.  Won't work with me.  Good news is, I have realized this is your MO.  At one point I thought that I was just bad at getting my point across, but I see that you do this with everyone frequently.  You seem to be caught in your own echo chamber unable to hear what people are actually saying.  Hope that clears up at some point.
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The context of the conversation already taking place was about NATO. So you'll forgive me if I naturally concluded that's what you were talking about. 

In any case, even if we're not talking about that subject but talking about overall honesty, by any objective standard it is hardly a "wash", and it is still incredibly irresponsible for anyone to make that claim. But I've come to realize that that is YOUR MO. From the beginning of this election season you have pretended to be neutral, yet all the while discounting the dangers of Donald Trump while overstating the flaws of Hillary Clinton. Which of course is your prerogative. I just heartily disagree. 

 
MaxThreshold said:
Listen, when you've reached 5+ years of lying it doesn't really matter who has been doing it longer anymore.  You're both ####### liars.

So....a wash.  Thanks, for clarifying.
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I said that if you were going to vote based upon honesty you should vote for Clinton over Trump, i.e. one lies less than the other.  Just because they are both liars doesn't mean they both lie equally.  So, no, not a wash.

 
Attempting to call Trump a moron for his NATO policy will get him elected president.  The voters are sick and tired of hearing democrats call the GOP nominee an idiot.  Stop doing it.  Stop doing it. It will not work.  

 
If democrats everywhere start mocking Trump for his NATO stance, voters are going to say "There they go again.  They are going bananas about something the republican said.  I just want it to end.  Its nauseating hearing the democrats whimper all the time.  I'm going to vote Trump."

That's the reaction you are going to get.  So stop it.  Now.  

The democrats need to start taking the high road.  Fast.  

 
Riversco said:
If democrats everywhere start mocking Trump for his NATO stance, voters are going to say "There they go again.  They are going bananas about something the republican said.  I just want it to end.  Its nauseating hearing the democrats whimper all the time.  I'm going to vote Trump."

That's the reaction you are going to get.  So stop it.  Now.  

The democrats need to start taking the high road.  Fast.  
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You keep claiming this.  Where is your evidence?  It seemed to work quite well with Palin.  It worked swimmingly when Paul Ryan got his clock cleaned in the debate.  Who exactly are these voters that are motivated to vote for someone that's being called stupid that aren't already predisposed to vote for him anyway?

 
Riversco said:
Attempting to call Trump a moron for his NATO policy will get him elected president.  The voters are sick and tired of hearing democrats call the GOP nominee an idiot.  Stop doing it.  Stop doing it. It will not work.  
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"I don't care if he's an idiot, he's my idiot!"

 
timschochet said:
Hillary looking any better to some of you undecideds now? 
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No, makes me sad the establishment prevented Bernie from being the president.  Gary Johnson is looking a little better now and will look a lot better next week after the lying crook screeches for an hour

 
timschochet said:
My question was for the undecideds, but Rohn Jambo and Bass chose to answer it.  :lmao:
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There is no lack of name recognition between these two. Who's undecided? There *is a very large chunk of America- in fact a super majority - who are disgusted by both. These people probably are hoping for a meteor or a Romney or Sanders to parachute in.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
There is no lack of name recognition between these two. Who's undecided? There *is a very large chunk of America- in fact a super majority - who are disgusted by both. These people probably are hoping for a meteor or a Romney or Sanders to parachute in.
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I know. The meteor has 13%. As I pointed out before, if it just gets 2 more points, it's in the debate!  :lmao:

 
But honestly Saints I have a feeling that Trump's speech tonight is going to unify Democrats behind Hillary and her numbers are going to go up. I especially think that Latinos, even conservative Latinos, are really pissed after tonight and they're going to crush Trump in Florida. Maybe it's wishful thinking but that's my hope. We'll see what the polls say a week from today. 

 
timschochet said:
But honestly Saints I have a feeling that Trump's speech tonight is going to unify Democrats behind Hillary and her numbers are going to go up. I especially think that Latinos, even conservative Latinos, are really pissed after tonight and they're going to crush Trump in Florida. Maybe it's wishful thinking but that's my hope. We'll see what the polls say a week from today. 
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I think the 'base' including minorities were already there because of Trump, he's done what Hillary could never do. But yeah these lines and themes probably help her.

Otoh the 'I'm with you' line is very strong IMO but I'm doubtful Trump can get value of it because he's so undisciplined and focused on the negative/anger/stupidity.

 
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Anyhow it's time to move on to the VP. We should have a pick by tomorrow, I would think. I would guess Kaine, but I'm hoping for Booker. 

 
timschochet said:
I don't get the Kaine love either. I guess that if she wins Pennsylvania, she wins, right? But I just don't see the attraction there. 
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Kaine is connected through McAuliffe and is close to them especially Bill. I think like Vilsack he meets the profile of someone who will play ball in the WH. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Much respect to you. - However I get the sense that history and civics knowledge is in the dumper nationally these days.
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Well...yeah.

I mean we still teach the #### out of it but once people reach adulthood they tend to forget.  And I mean on both sides of the political spectrum.  

 And this isn't really new.  

 
timschochet said:
My question was for the undecideds, but Rohn Jambo and Bass chose to answer it.  :lmao:
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Well I am still undecided.  Right now I'd lean 40% don't waste an hour in line, 40% Gary Johnson, 10% someone else, 10% Trump.  The convention didn't move the needle one way or another for me.  Waiting for the debates to determine which direction I'll go.

That said, I can admit that the convention should have moved the Trump % up, which it didn't.

 
timschochet said:
I don't get the Kaine love either. I guess that if she wins Pennsylvania, she wins, right? But I just don't see the attraction there. 
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Kaine was one of four Senate Democrats signatories on the letter, including Sen. Mark Warner, a fellow Virginia Democrat. Kaine and Warner have a strong constituent interest because Capital One, the tenth biggest bank in the country by assets, is based in McLean, Virginia.

The senators asked regulators to reconsider aspects of two sets of rules designed to ensure that large banks have enough financial resources to withstand another crisis. Kaine did not endorse dramatic de-regulatory measures, but asked for changes for "regional banks that do not share the same risk profile or complexity as their larger, systemically important brethren." 

The general idea is one that is also being advanced by top Fed officials who have repeatedly told Congress and the public that they are considering steps to differentiate the way rules apply to major Wall Street banks and their smaller competitors.

A pro-Bernie Sanders group called the Bernie Delegates Network highlighted a Huffington Post story on Kaine’s signature on Thursday in a release titled “Delegates will likely protest Sen. Kaine or similar VP choice in Philly” during the Democratic National Convention next week.

Progressive Change Campaign Committee co-founder Stephanie Taylor warned against Clinton picking a vice presidential candidate with close ties to Wall Street. She then pivoted to arguing that Clinton’s pick needs to oppose the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Kaine voted for fast-track negotiating authority that helped the administration bring the TPP trade deal to a close. A Kaine spokeswoman said he has not taken a position on the agreement itself. But in October Kaine said he was "obviously favorably inclined."

"Hillary Clinton's vice presidential pick will be seen by many as a proxy for how she will govern — boldly or cautiously? The wrong pick could deflate energy among potential donors and volunteers, hurting Democratic efforts to win the White House,” Taylor said in a statement responding to questions about Kaine’s decision to write the letter. “After promising to oppose the TPP, it's important for Clinton to pick someone who shares that position — especially after her delegates rejected that position in the party platform. It's also important she pick someone committed to strong Wall Street reform. Otherwise, there will be a giant opening for Trump and other Republicans to outflank Democrats on economic populism issues and win important swing votes.”
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Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/tim-kaine-banking-letter-225953#ixzz4F73cRWjF 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
There is no lack of name recognition between these two. Who's undecided? There *is a very large chunk of America- in fact a super majority - who are disgusted by both. These people probably are hoping for a meteor or a Romney or Sanders to parachute in.
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Super majority is pushing it, especially when you say disgusted.  I'd prefer other candidates on both sides.  However, I'm only disgusted with one of them.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Public records are public, city records are public records. This isn't even close.
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Did you read the article?  The DNC is claiming FEC laws control the timing of the release of the information, and that they'll release the information within 60 days after the convention.  So the question is whether federal election law preempts the city laws in this area.  

Reasonable arguments can be made either way, but I'm sure it's considerably more convenient for the DNC (or the RNC for that matter) to release the information after the convention and I'm unsure what benefit the host city would get with a disclosure prior to the event.  

 
Ministry of Pain said:
No respect for the law, it has to start to be worn as a badge of some kind for them. If they want it as their badge of honor so be it but I find it to be more of a Scarlet Letter, Hester Clinton to the front please. 
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This is coming from the DNC, not Hillary or her campaign.  And it's pretty ridiculous that you characterize the situation this way.  Respect for the law?  It's not like they're ducking the court - they're arguing a different set of laws is controlling.  

 
dparker713 said:
Did you read the article?  The DNC is claiming FEC laws control the timing of the release of the information, and that they'll release the information within 60 days after the convention.  So the question is whether federal election law preempts the city laws in this area.  

Reasonable arguments can be made either way, but I'm sure it's considerably more convenient for the DNC (or the RNC for that matter) to release the information after the convention and I'm unsure what benefit the host city would get with a disclosure prior to the event.  
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I did read the article. They're city records, not FEC records in this case.

 
The General said:
She should pick Warren, she will pick Kaine.
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I agree 100%.  Kaine is a mistake, although a more moderate ticket appeals to me, I am not the base.  I fear that Clinton/Kaine vs. Trump/Pence is too easily cast as elites vs. the people, and Sanders voters stay home.

 
elbowrm said:
I agree 100%.  Kaine is a mistake, although a more moderate ticket appeals to me, I am not the base.  I fear that Clinton/Kaine vs. Trump/Pence is too easily cast as elites vs. the people, and Sanders voters stay home.
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I also think Kaine is a mistake, but I don't think very many Sanders people stay home. Not after last night. 

 
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