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Yeah, I agree here. Fitz is in limbo -- he's an aging player whose potential value is speculative and in future years. A contender is going to want someone to make his team better now. A rebuilder wants someone younger. In a vacuum, a late 1st doesn't seem like enough, but the circumstances make him a really really hard sell.
Fair play. What would you move him for? Both in a vacuum, and in EBF's shoes? Keep in mind, this is a start 1 RB league - I don't see many RBs you can project to last longer than Larry, from here on out, even. Not Doug Martin, not LeSean McCoy. If he had traded Doug Martin because he's not competing, I think we would question it. Who's more likely to be scoring meaningful fantasy points in 4 years?thriftyrocker said:
He's not going to trade Fitz while his contract is affordable, and/or until Fitz asks to be. I think those things happen. It makes too much sense not to. He could pull a Reggie Wayne, but Reggie had a ring and less of a market. I think Reggie is the exception, and not the rule.water1 said:
I think you got a steal. I think Reed is worth that on his own. Hunter is worth a good deal more than Woods in a 10 team league, too.
I like this deal for both teams. I made this offer in one league where I'm competing but have very bad RB depth behind Doug Martin.
Kinda what I thought too.... I just hope the last few games from Reed isn't a fluke because I like next years draft class. I like hunters upside more than woods but I think woods has a higher floor.
I like the haul on this one too, but I would think Vick has much value. I would be surprised to see him as a starter in the league anymore. This is just a gut feeling
I am assuming that is Rueben, and I love Rueben Randle but I would take the firsts and Williams by a lot.
I think in most leagues you're correct, but in a Superflex the prospect of a potentially healthy Vick to possibly close out the season is worth something for someone trying to win it this year. Hell, if you're solid everywhere else but hurting at QB even the prospect of 3-4 good games from Vick before he goes down again is worth something.msudaisy26 said:
I wouldn't pay anything for Vick in a 10 tm superflex. You still figure most teams have 3 QBs and that guys like Jason Campbell are free if you're timely enough. Similar thoughts on Allen and Wheaton. I like them both as players but the upside isn't really there in 10 tm. Unless you can start lots and lots of WR/TE each week it was a depth move.
No QB's are free in a league like this, if the rosters are deep enough.
Nah, but he might provide as much VBD in the next 3 seasons combined as an average late first would over his career. That's 50-60 VBD a year for Fitz, which is still pretty optimistic.Concept Coop said:
It would take more than a late first to get me to trade Knowshon Moreno (Knowshon. Moreno.) right now.Concept Coop said:
The team that traded for Randle is currently tied for 1st place. MW is of no help to him and he added two players for the playoff run.
Yeah the big question is how you value Woodhead. If he's worth a 1st on his own for a playoff team who needs a RB 2/3 option in a PPR league, then the trade looks pretty fair. If that's a big stretch, then it was an overpay. The RBs you can get with a 1st vary by league, but possible there were better options at the same price.
I just feel like for two firsts and Randle you could probably have gotten Moreno or Lynch from a rebuilding team plus a guy like Stevie Johnson or Tate
There's a fairly decent chance that Vick doesn't play another game this season. His hamstring popped - he's going to miss the next 3 games at least, and Foles is a better QB than he looked against the Cowboys. One of two things are going to happen, Foles will look more like the QB that he was in his other appearances and keep the job or the team will lose over these next couple of weeks, and then what would be the point of going back to Vick?
I'm as big of an RGIII fan as you'll find, but I would have hoped to get more for Brees/Peterson. My final thoughts on the trade depend on what the rebuilding owner can get when he turns around and flips Woodhead (he IS going to turn around and flip Woodhead, right?)
You're right that that is a possibility.
I'm of the opinion that that's what 2nd round rookie picks are for- acquiring solid veterans and patching holes (or tossing into a larger trade package to get the other guy off the fence).
Unless it's a 1.5 PPR league, I usually can get TE prospects for much cheaper than that. According to MFL ADP, here's where the rookies were going this offseason:
Well since I'm going against you in this league, I don't like this trade at all. Not one bit.
Nicely done on both counts. That first trade was selling Blackmon for borderline top-5 WR prices, which was crazy because that doesn't fair price his risk (which sort of became pretty obvious, recently). The second was a very nice job getting a quality asset for a time bomb.
