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***Official JACKIE BATTLE Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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shadyridr
Footballguy
so in all seriousness...
Battle looked slow when running straight into the line. When he has some blocking he gains a head of steam and is tough to bring down. KC has a good OLine. He played a TON of snaps. This is barely a RBBC now. He has no role in the passing game but from everything I saw hes very good at picking up the blitz. He may be the goal line back. With all the injuries the only way Id sell him is if you can get RB1 value for him. He is CLEARLY a RB2 right now. Hes this years LaGarret Blount IMO
Battle looked slow when running straight into the line. When he has some blocking he gains a head of steam and is tough to bring down. KC has a good OLine. He played a TON of snaps. This is barely a RBBC now. He has no role in the passing game but from everything I saw hes very good at picking up the blitz. He may be the goal line back. With all the injuries the only way Id sell him is if you can get RB1 value for him. He is CLEARLY a RB2 right now. Hes this years LaGarret Blount IMO
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
No, in all seriousness, all joking aside, really... the guy stinks. He had one, maybe two above-average runs all night.I'm putting him on the block first thing in the morning in the hopes my fellow owners DIDN'T see the game.
I think you are over reacting. If there are 3 guys behind the line of scrimmage, then yeah, he doesn't do well..But given a hole, he is taking advantage of it..
the truth is somewhere in the middle I think. he is a guy who should get 15-18 carries a game and get 4 YPC with a .4-.5 TDs a game. 9-10 PPG, a flex option/RB3. no one is going to give you better value than that for him and you should not toss him away for Nate Washington or Heyward Bey either
You guys go ahead and "sell high". I am perfectly ok with holding onto battle as an every week flex start. Each week he proves to Haley and everyone watching that he is currently the most talented active rb on the chiefs roster. Tonight he scored a big td and had a few nice runs. I see no reason to believe that barring injury or a serious regression battles role won't continue to grow as the season wears on.
I don't need him to be a rb2. Rb3/flex is perfect.
I don't need him to be a rb2. Rb3/flex is perfect.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I have nobody specific in mind. I send out the "On the Block" alert via Sportsline, and we'll see what offers come rolling in.Hoping for LaRod Stephens-Howling.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Averaging 88+ rushing yards per game as the lead back.
Jackie Battle -- 1400 yard rusher.
Jackie Battle -- 1400 yard rusher.
The Comedian
Footballguy
OMG WHAT A STUD
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I have no choice but to hold him for a bit longer now that TANK Mathews is dead again.
The Sniper
Footballguy
Pick a side, please.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
NFL's 8th leading rusher the last 3 weeks.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Do it now, and then run for the choppa
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
70 and a touch? Not so bad from the Battle Ax
The guy is getting 15 to 20 touches per game, including goal line carries. Throw him a couple balls a game, and Battle is a lock to be a top 12 RB from here on out, not too many guys in the league get those kind of touches. He is a legitimate low-end RB1. If you have to option to use him as a flex, you have some pretty good guys in front of him. Should be a starter on most teams unless you are loaded with three top RBs
Sir Chadwick
Footballguy
I'm happy with his production in my flex so far. He hasn't done anything spectacular, but he's done enough to earn a RB3/RB2 upside spot.
Khy
Footballguy
He has been my fill in until Jahvid Best gets back and has been solid enough. Was very happy with the TD tonight. Also to say he looked awful is dumb. He looked pretty good as far as my eyes could see. He had like 1-2 carries per drive in the first half. Ended the first half with around 7 carries for 22 yards but never got enough to really put some runs together. On that big TD drive Haley ran it with Battle a few times in a row and he racked up like 50 yards on 4 or 5 carries and a TD. If that isn't good RB1/High RB2 production I'm really not sure what is?
The only issue right now is Haley isn't running the ball until late in games. I feel like The "Great" Jackie Battle proved on that drive last night he can carry the load on a drive if the blocking is there. Hopefully we'll start to see more like 10-12 touches in the first half then have him close out games.
The only issue right now is Haley isn't running the ball until late in games. I feel like The "Great" Jackie Battle proved on that drive last night he can carry the load on a drive if the blocking is there. Hopefully we'll start to see more like 10-12 touches in the first half then have him close out games.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Jackie got the slows, man, and there ain't no cure.
Sent an offer out this morning to the guy in my league who always sets his lineup and posts to our forum around 5:30 a.m. (e.g., no way the dude ever sees a late game).
Battle for Torrey Smith
Kind of love the idea of trading away one the slowest straight line runners for a speedster who kind of only knows how to run fast in a straight line.
Sent an offer out this morning to the guy in my league who always sets his lineup and posts to our forum around 5:30 a.m. (e.g., no way the dude ever sees a late game).
Battle for Torrey Smith
Kind of love the idea of trading away one the slowest straight line runners for a speedster who kind of only knows how to run fast in a straight line.
zamboni
Footballguy
Cutting through all the hyperbole on both sides, Battle will never be mistaken for a world beater. But he doesn't have to be to have success in this offense.
Haley is a coach that loves to run the ball, and when you look at the competition is in the form of McCluster and Jones, he's got a better competitive situation than a lot of teams out there. McClain could still be a wildcard in this, but it seems as though Haley wants to keep him in the lead fullback spot.
Haley is a coach that loves to run the ball, and when you look at the competition is in the form of McCluster and Jones, he's got a better competitive situation than a lot of teams out there. McClain could still be a wildcard in this, but it seems as though Haley wants to keep him in the lead fullback spot.
Same here as I lost jahvid best. Battle has been an admirable replacement IMO.
Sounds like Haley is impressed.
Haley after the game
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Todd-Haley-Postgame-Comments---1031/77f97a7e-6f56-4bbc-b932-81ea43287f58
On RB Jackie Battle: “He’s one of those guys that appears to get stronger as the game goes on. I was walking up the tunnel with him and I asked him, ‘was it too many carries? You can go back to playing a bunch of special teams, getting a couple of carries…’ but he said, ‘Oh no, I love this!’ I was obviously joking with him but he was a warrior and he’s displayed that really as a player here for us in the three years I’ve been here. He’s a player that I’ve been happy and excited to see him seize this opportunity.”
Haley after the game
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Todd-Haley-Postgame-Comments---1031/77f97a7e-6f56-4bbc-b932-81ea43287f58
On RB Jackie Battle: “He’s one of those guys that appears to get stronger as the game goes on. I was walking up the tunnel with him and I asked him, ‘was it too many carries? You can go back to playing a bunch of special teams, getting a couple of carries…’ but he said, ‘Oh no, I love this!’ I was obviously joking with him but he was a warrior and he’s displayed that really as a player here for us in the three years I’ve been here. He’s a player that I’ve been happy and excited to see him seize this opportunity.”
shadyridr
Footballguy
He ended the 1st half with 6 carries for 12 yds
shadyridr
Footballguy
is this a keeper league? Are you nuts?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Short bench redraft. No.I could hijack to justify why it makes sense, but come on, man - this is the Battle Stations thread!
Wadsworth
Footballguy
It is interesting to hear all the talk of him being slow. While he does not appear quick, he does appear fast and exactly how quick do you expect a 6' 2", 240 lb RB to be? Regardless, he has been productive and there is a long list of big not so quick RBs that have been productive in the NFL. Moving forward he makes an interesting potential pairing with Charles and McCluster. If Battle can take over the Thomas Jones role in that offense he could continue to be productive for a few years as it would seem clear Battle would be the vulture. Sell short if you want to guys, I'm going to hold for at least a while longer on Battle.
shadyridr
Footballguy
torrey smith is barely roster worthy
How he performs the rest of the year will determine how much competition KC brings in at RB over the offseason. While Charles should be back next year, It would be foolish to expect more than 200 carries from him. In this offense, that still leaves a fair number of carries for whoever else is sharing the load. If Battle finishes strong and, more importantly doesn't get hurt and miss time, they would likely not invest so strongly in another RB during the draft. If he falters, I see KC brining in a mid-round pick at RB.
The Comedian
Footballguy
I picked him up in my main dynasty league thanks in large part to the buzz here in the SP ( 
) . Personally, I'm putting him out there to see if anyone is high on him and wants to ante up thinking that maybe he's the next Arian Foster. He looks like a plodder to me, and while he does run effectively, he doesn't have a well-rounded game. Whenever KC falls behind, he's going to be neutralized, and I don't think he has a high ceiling.
If I owned him in a redraft league and relied on him as an RB3/flex, then beautiful, keep him. But dynasty-wise, I don't see it, and I'm looking to sell - if I can get anything with dynasty staying power, that'll be huge for a FA pick up.
) . Personally, I'm putting him out there to see if anyone is high on him and wants to ante up thinking that maybe he's the next Arian Foster. He looks like a plodder to me, and while he does run effectively, he doesn't have a well-rounded game. Whenever KC falls behind, he's going to be neutralized, and I don't think he has a high ceiling.If I owned him in a redraft league and relied on him as an RB3/flex, then beautiful, keep him. But dynasty-wise, I don't see it, and I'm looking to sell - if I can get anything with dynasty staying power, that'll be huge for a FA pick up.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I have R. Rice - Matthews - Best in a no Flex start 3 WR in in which injuries have decimated...oh, come on man...seriously...stop trying to hijack.Battle is nothing special, Samkon Gado for folks who need it, trade bait if you have depth. Unfortunately it's not like a WW pickup is going to warrant Vince Jackson.
Would love to hear what other people are offering/getting offered for Battle.
If you don't see yourself using him, or aren't in the running for the title then this is probably a smart move. I need him for at least this week as my flex, and possibly down the road week 11 or as an injury replacement, else I would be more willing to move him. Week 14, the Jets have a really weak run D. But on the road, in the playoffs-- I don't think I would be able to pull the trigger unless an injury cropped up.I picked him up in my main dynasty league thanks in large part to the buzz here in the SP (
If I owned him in a redraft league and relied on him as an RB3/flex, then beautiful, keep him. But dynasty-wise, I don't see it, and I'm looking to sell - if I can get anything with dynasty staying power, that'll be huge for a FA pick up.
mr roboto
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Average PPG in PPR
Last 5 Weeks: RB32
Last 3 Weeks: RB26
Pretty hard to see anyone paying you a premium for this guy in PPR.
Last 5 Weeks: RB32
Last 3 Weeks: RB26
Pretty hard to see anyone paying you a premium for this guy in PPR.
Cedric Benson has value, even in a PPR. This guy is basically Benson. Also, you are cherry picking in those stats a bit, and if you placed the time period on when he started recieving carries (week 5), he is RB20 in a PPR over that stretch.
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Not Allowed In Mexico
Weird, my PPR rankings:Wk5: RB11Wk7: RB29Wk8: RB14Avg: RB18Not sure why you'd go 5 weeks back since he's only been regularly used in the last 3 Chiefs games.I think the guy stinks, but he's doing well with his opportunities.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Not intentionally, it just so happens our league site has a drop down menus for 3 or 5 weeks.I'm in agreement he's a low end RB2 with little competition on 1st/2nd/GL downs. McCluster is strictly a receiver, and Jones doesn't look effective anymore. But it's very, very hard to sell a WW pickups to other savvy owners. And WW pickups who don't have a receiving role are an especially tough sell in PPR.
Otis
Footballguy
Oh, well if the drop down menu in your league works that way, must be a meaningful statistic. Carry on.
zamboni
Footballguy
With regard to Battle's receiving ability, it's hard to say whether he really can't catch the ball, or Haley just likes McCluster and/or McClain more in that role. If Haley trusts him enough to stay on the field in obvious passing situations and he gets a couple of throws, that would obviously improve his value.
Maybe the homers can chime in on this one...
Maybe the homers can chime in on this one...
He is certainly on the field on a fair amount of passing downs, though usually not in obvious 3rd and long passing downs. He appeared to do decent in his blocking, and stayed in most times.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
He appears to be "the closer", getting most of his yardage late in the two most recent games.
What happens if the Chiefs fall behind early though?
What happens if the Chiefs fall behind early though?
treat88
Footballguy
Same thing that happens to all the other RB's in the league that aren't involved in the passing game heavily? Just a guess.
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Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Sounds like Michael turner. Beast
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
But those other RBs could have already put up some stats early before they had to move to the more pass-oriented offense.Battle seems like he doesn't get going until the 2nd half. Anyway, it's only a 2 game sample size, so maybe it isn't a pattern.
Agreed, except I think his floor is lower than most others. He's still splitting touches with 2 other RBs and a FB, so in games where they fall behind early it's likely he only gets 10-12 total touches. Take last night for example- they were leading the entire game, it went into overtime, and he still only had 19 touches. The other 3 had 16 combined. The week before he had less than 50% of RB touches and they had a huge lead the entire time as well.Definitely a nice WW find, but he's going to have a few awful ff games the rest of the way IMO.
Otis
Footballguy
Another important factor here -- the Chiefs are starting too look awful good. To the extent the team does well and continues gaining steam, I think Battle becomes an even better fantasy force. Now you've got them moving the ball, putting him in position to score. You've got them protecting leads. If he is playing on a 2-6 team, I don't think he's nearly as promising. Now they're 4-3 -- off a four-game winning streak. And the more he starts, the more he plays and helps them win games, the confidence they'll have in him and the more they'll feed him the ball.
Battle could be more exceptional in fantasy this year than people realize.
Battle could be more exceptional in fantasy this year than people realize.
treat88
Footballguy
I guess I just see a player who will be used similarly to Turner, Greene, Blount, BJGE, etc. None are involved in the passing game to any great degree and if their team falls behind early all are unlikely to be heavily involved.I think Battle is playing for a coach where he is going to have to earn some trust before he starts seeing a higher percentage of carries, and he seems to be in the process of doing that. He touched the ball on 2 of the first 3 snaps last night. He got the GL look. His percentage vs. Jones went up. McCluster fumbled twice and was utterly ineffective.I agree that he's a very average NFL talent, and I see zero dynasty value assuming Charles comes back healthy. However, this season at least, his situation is shaping up very favorably...but that said if his team falls behind early he's not going to put up a bunch of FF points, I agree.
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You have to take schedule into account- they have 2 games they should win coming up, but then they have a brutal stretch- @NE, Pitt, @Chi, @NYJ, and GB right in a row.
zamboni
Footballguy
Brutal on paper, but that's why they play the games.
