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***Official JACKIE BATTLE Thread*** (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Kenny Powers
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It was a fumble, but as far as I know, it has not been official ruled one yet.
Ladsud
Footballguy
Ya id expect the same, T. Jones seems a 100% lock for 10 carries no matter how poorly he plays. Hard to see Battle getting a heavy workload with the Haley/Jones love affair in full effect no matter the results.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
I'm not going to pretend to know what's going through Todd Haley's mind, but it seems to me like this is his current strategy:
Ride TJ and McCluster mostly in the first half, mixing in Battle some, thus keeping him fresh for the 2nd half when he can use him as the workhorse.
I'd be perfectly fine with this strategy if he was also using Battle as the goalline back (all game unless he was gassed) instead of Johnboy.
Ride TJ and McCluster mostly in the first half, mixing in Battle some, thus keeping him fresh for the 2nd half when he can use him as the workhorse.
I'd be perfectly fine with this strategy if he was also using Battle as the goalline back (all game unless he was gassed) instead of Johnboy.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Not sure why he's so low, Dodds has him criminally low. Im starting him over Ingram, Morris in 1 league and DWill, Redman in the other so its not like its a hard decision for me. I think he's a borderline Top 20 RB this week.'jonboltz said:
Scrappy Doo
Footballguy
I think Battle is a good gamble too. I'm hoping Haley was just mixing in TJ and McCluster so much last week b/c he had the game in full control and could afford to get all his guys work and preserve Battle (especially coming off the neck/head minor injury).
This week, KC will really need to use their best RB to eat the clock and keep Rivers off the field. And their best back is CLEARLY Battle. Probably we'll still see plenty of McCluster but I don't think TJ will get too many carries.
Battle should have a decent shot at 100 yards - maybe even a TD too.
This week, KC will really need to use their best RB to eat the clock and keep Rivers off the field. And their best back is CLEARLY Battle. Probably we'll still see plenty of McCluster but I don't think TJ will get too many carries.
Battle should have a decent shot at 100 yards - maybe even a TD too.
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Scrappy Doo
Footballguy
Then again, Todd Haley makes Mike Shanahan look like a fantasy enthusiast.
hes played primarily while icing a lead and in garbage time. hes not the goal line back. the chargers are good d and should maintain a lead or even blow out the chiefs.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Really thought Battle would be ranked higher, but looks like they are higher on one weekers like Scott.
"The Chargers' rush D allowed 31/162/0 rushing to the Jets last week; and they coughed up 23/162/1 rushing to the Broncos back in week five - not too good, folks. So far this year, the Chargers have averaged 121.7 rushing yards allowed per game, with three rushing scores allowed, but they've been much worse in this phase of the game during October as you can see above. "SD only won by 3 at home earlier this year, this should be a close game in Arrowhead.
you are including qb rushing yards there. tebow ran for 38, orton for 25. overall, they are averaging 95 yards per game to rbs, good for 13th most. ofc, this doesnt take into account an adjustment for opponent or other variables, but on the surface, they are a fine run defense. only giving up 2 rushing tds to rbs all yr reinforces that.
So they ONLY gave up 125 to willis, and 137 to shonn green/tomlinson. Their run D is pretty bad, and should be treated as such.
The low ranking on Battle has to do with the fact that Chargers could also have a big lead and Chiefs will need to pass more than run. Vjax is practicing in full, Gates is back so Rivers has all of his weapons available. The odds are more against Battle than favor him to have a good day.
zamboni
Footballguy
Fair point - anyone know how he is in the passing game?Clearly, that is McCluster's bread-and-butter, but I doubt he'll be able to consistently take on much bigger pass rushers.
have seen a couple posts indicating that SD could have a big lead or even be in blowout mode.....while it could happen, I just don't see it right now.....KC D has been playing okay.....they played SD to 3 points the first time around...after the first two blowouts (BUF/DET) they have been playing better....that house will be rockin Monday night....
Contrary to popular belief ... McCluster is horrible in the passing game ... 59 total receiving yds on 19 catches this season or 3.1 per catch which equates to about 3 catches for 10 yds per game
again, 13th in rushing yards by rbs per game. 2 rb rushing tds. draw whatever conclusions you want from that. i tend to think its not "pretty bad."
Flying Elvis
Footballguy
Jackie gets the nod from me for the MNF bump. While I do think the Chargers will have a "prove it" type game on the big stage, I don't think their D has been playing well enough to turn the game into a romp. They're banged up and it shows in the numbers over the last few games. My only real concern is Haley. He definitely has shown he is the FF RB equivalent of kryptonite. Thomas Jones doesn't appear to deserve any touches per game at this point, yet Haley continues to use him. Blackmail?
I think Battle puts up a nice total** in the 18 / 80 / 1 range with 2 / 20 out of the backfield like he did vs. Indy. Double digit points is great.
** standard deviation of ~8 points due to his starting role on 3 of my teams.
I think Battle puts up a nice total** in the 18 / 80 / 1 range with 2 / 20 out of the backfield like he did vs. Indy. Double digit points is great.
** standard deviation of ~8 points due to his starting role on 3 of my teams.
irish eyes
Footballguy
Well Battle only had 3 carries in the 1st half last week so you just don't know. But Haley is one of the 2 worst coaches in the league (sparano is the other) so you can bank on him using his worst running back the most. Which tells me thomas jones is the man. I think Haley has jones on a fantasy team, there is no other reason for him to play this relic.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Rivers has, what, 7 TDs this year? KC's D is pretty good, VJax has been very hit or miss and Flowers is 1 of the most underrated CBs in the league. Mathews and Tolbert are both dinged up. Im not expecting a blowout. Plus its @ Arrowhead.'steelwind said:
loose circuits
Footballguy
that's what I was wondering. Seems like Rivers is playing like one of the worst QB's in the league right now. Add in no Tolbert and the game is in Arrowhead I have a hard time seeing this as a blowout'shadyridr said:
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Speculation via Wesseling, ESPN's Matt Williamson, and NFL Network's Jason La Canfora this week that Philip Rivers is playing hurt was vehemently disputed by Rivers and the Chargers' coaching staff. If Rivers and Turner are to be believed, the three-time Pro Bowl quarterback should finish fast against one of the league's softest pass-defense schedules, and it will start on Monday night. Rivers has historically lit it up at Arrowhead, in his last three games there completing 74-of-117 passes (63.2%) for 912 yards (7.79 YPA), seven touchdowns, and one interception. Amid the rumors, I personally would consider Rivers a QB2 until he actually plays well in a game. But the matchup isn't prohibitive, and Rivers' track record suggests he'll pick it up
loose circuits
Footballguy
chiefs are better against the pass then they are against the run. Rivers may have a respectable day, but I don't see them blowing out the Chiefs who are riding a 3 game winning streak and playing much better football
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I start Battle over Jacobs, Frank. Battle's carries might be hard to figure, but Jacobs health is even harder to know.
loose circuits
Footballguy
No shaun phillips for san diego either...
Lester Long
Footballguy
I don't see how Haley is that bad. he won 10 games last year when noone gave them a chance and has them at 3-3 right now. and really I don't see how he has done that with this teams talent. I think you are just a disgruntled Battle owner who thinks Battle is better than he is.
Coaches that are definitely worse that Todd Haley
Tony Sporano
Jim Caldwell
Norv Turner
Chan Gailey
Marvin Lewis
John Fox
Gary Kubiak
Leslie Frazier
Andy Reid
Lovie Smith
Jack Del Rio
Several others who might be worse
Pat Shurmur
Hue Jackson
Pete Carroll
Steve Spagnuolo
Raheem Morris
old Mike Shanahan
Ron Rivera
Tony Sporano
Jim Caldwell
Norv Turner
Chan Gailey
Marvin Lewis
John Fox
Gary Kubiak
Leslie Frazier
Andy Reid
Lovie Smith
Jack Del Rio
Several others who might be worse
Pat Shurmur
Hue Jackson
Pete Carroll
Steve Spagnuolo
Raheem Morris
old Mike Shanahan
Ron Rivera
Lester Long
Footballguy
Not sure Reid will ever get he props he deserves.
While the Eagles have been a consistently winning team with Reid as coach, he does some terrible things in every game. He never adjusts his strategy even when it isn't working, has no clue about clock management or timeout values, and doesn't understand going for it vs kicking whatsoever. Therefore, he is not a good coach.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Considering starting Manningham over Battle because I think he blows up vs MIA but its very hard to sit JACKIE BATTLE when he's gonna be on MNF this week
Zow
Footballguy
That was my thought reading that list. Reid has been dealing with big egos, the wretched Philly media, and a tough division for many years now and he has produced some great results. His one glaring flaw, crunch-time decision-making, appears to have unfortunately killed his reputation.
Zow
Footballguy
Being a good "game coach" is only a fraction of what makes a good coach. Outside of Sundays in crunch time, Reid is phenomenal. Oddly enough, he is probably the one guy where Bill Simmons' half-joking suggestion of teams hiring a Madden geek to tell the coach what to do in in-game decisions would actually work.
My take on Battle - he is one of the betterrunning backs in the NFL right now. Hes running at 5.3 yards a carry overall and 5.6 ypc the 2 games he started. He is like Tolbert, suprisngly fast for a big guy .He also gains alot of his yards after contact. BUT for fantasy hes nothing more then a low #2 or flex due Haley refusing to not give Jones 10 carries a game. If Battle gets 20-25 touches a game and GL carries he would possibly be a low end #1 . Battle is a guy if haley gets wise and leans on him can be a fantasy find. But lets face it , Haley kept starting Jones when Charles was putting up 5.5 ypc and he probally will keep giving Battle 14-15 carries a week instead of 25ish. . Unfortunate. That being said I am starting him. due to bye issues and I will hold him on my roster as the potential is high.
duaneok66
Footballguy
good post - but I dont think we have seen enough to determine if he is a good back or not.
Opps sorry (and thanks) and thats makes it even worse . If he wouldnt give a guy getting 6.4 ypc thats gives me no hope he will give battle more carries.
Lester Long
Footballguy
He consistantly puts a winner on the field. if you do that, you are a good coach. everything else is point of view and not fact. the facts are in Reids corner. 120 wins and 77 losses are the facts, and they cannot be debated.
Lester Long
Footballguy
The key here is he don't care about fantasy. he cares about real life. he does what is best for the team not what is best for fantasy lineups.
duaneok66
Footballguy
the sad part is that some FF owners are too myopic to realize this.
duaneok66
Footballguy
witness.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I wouldnt start Torain over him. Helu played more snaps than Torain last week and Skeletor still hasnt announced the starter. I take the safe 6-7pt floor with Battle than rish Shanahanigans
dontknowaboutme
Footballguy
This^^ I am starting Helu in one of my leagues this week, although I may battling several injuries at the position.
DevilintheDetail
Footballguy
Redskins updated their depth chart and Torain is now #1, having previously been #3.
