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Irregardless.
Cool! But in my opinion it looks like 125 and a stray mark infront. 1+2+5 = 8
Ok that's another reach but there is a 108 in the hatch painting which is the sum of Hurley's numbers.
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Ok that's another reach but there is a 108 in the hatch painting which is the sum of Hurley's numbers.
beermutts
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Here is a place that has a better picture of the mural and some things you cant see on the one we have...
http://losturchin.blogspot.com/2005/09/mural.html
http://losturchin.blogspot.com/2005/09/mural.html
beermutts
Footballguy
I'm not sure what it means, but I know now how they came up with these numbers. If anyone is familiar with Pascal's Triangle, it is a famous mathematical pattern in the shape of a triangle. Each successive row of the triangle is formed by adding the two numbers above it. Anyway, the Lost numbers are kind of the inverse of the Pascal Triangle. In math classes, you learn to look for patterns in sequences. So, I figured, what if there is a pattern in the *difference* between the numbers of the Lost sequence? I'd ruled out natural algorithms, and other well known algebraic or geometric patterns did not appear. So here is what you get with the differences.4 8 15 16 23 424 7 1 7 193 6 6 123 0 63 63The interesting thing about this triangle is the sum of the numbers on the sides.The left side is 20, the right side is 88, and the top is 108. Voila, the sum of the top row (the Lost sequence) is the sum of the sides.there are some other interesting mathematical relationships in this triangle as well. The sum of all three sides, 216, is also 6^3. This triangle has 3 sides of 6 numbers each.Obviously the Lost numbers arent random. I'm still investigating whether there are any natural algorithms that might contain the Lost sequence way out in the series.Obviously the writers have found ways to work all these numbers into commonalities for all the characters and the backstory.Point being, now we know where they got the numbers in the first place. Whoever on here wondered if the numbers were a seal or magic square, you werent far off. Its some kind of matrix similar to that.216 is the number used to id Nicolae Carpathia as the Anti-Christ in the Left Behind series of books. It is 6 * 6 * 6 = 216. "666" is, as per the Bible, the number of the beast. It doesn't exactly say how it could be manifested. It does say, "He who has ears, let him hear." This is how the numbers are evil. You can get 666 from this triangle at least 3 ways and if you add the numbers of the outside triangle to get 216 along the edges, you can add the inside triangle to get 27. adding the digits of 216 and 27, you get 18 which is 6 + 6 + 6 = 18.The number of God or holiness is 777. On the Oceanic Airlines page you can see a seating chart of flight 815, which shows flight 777 interchanging with flight 815 after you highlight Jack's seat on the plane. Desmond alludes to being God or Christ-like when telling Jack he seems to be running from the Devil, and then telling him he (Jack) will not catch up with Desmond in his condition (busted ankle/faith condition). Desmond also talks of miracles.BTW, Desmond "Man of the World", and Ethan Rom is an anagram for "Other Man." The twist is :If Desmond is a Christ-like figure, then why is he bound underground?It makes sense that this God/Satan allusion is present with all of the light/dark, black/white imagery around.
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Buckychudd
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Didn't really follow after Pascal's Triangle, but that doesn't look like one I've ever seen.....are you sure it's correct? The sides of the Pascal's Triangle shouldn't change like that.
Buckychudd
Footballguy
Repeat of last weeks show first, then a new show.
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Irregardless.
I think this is just a 1 time thing to sink Martha Stewart's Apprentice. Next week George Lopez will return and Lost will go back to 9pm only.I think we are getting a repeat early though.. like week 5 or so.Repeat of last weeks show first, then a new show.
Yeah, I don't see how the triangle means anything. How about this, just random numbers I started with:5 9 16 17 24 43
4 7 1 7 19
3 6 6 12
3 0 6
3 6
3
I got the same pattern because I just added 1 to each of our mystery numbers. I guess I just don't see how doing the pattern down is meaningful.
I could take even more random numbers like this:
3 7 12 17 26 40
4 5 5 9 14
1 0 4 5
1 4 1
3 3
0
It doesn't mean anything to me. I found a link to Pascal's Triangle and it sure doesn't anything like what we just did: LINK
Anyway, it wouldn't surprise me if somehow the numbers were supposed to be evil and that the survivors were good, but taking 108 * 2 = 216 = 6 * 6 * 6 and the fact that they flew on a Boeing 777, i.e. it is a pre-existing type of plane not the flight number, seems like a stretch.
Edit to Add: Not to throw water on any theory, but with numbers you have to be careful because it isn't hard to manipulate them in a variety or ways or patterns to come up with anything you want. I think there was an earlier post where someone quoted a guy with the show that said while they did plant things with special meaning that he saw many things where people found the numbers in places where it was just coincidence. I guess a show like this makes people want to find meaning in everything, but sometimes if there a 4 paint cans, it just means that there are 4 paint cans and nothing more.
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That is exactly what I was thinking. If the flight survivors were really destined/picked to be on the Island, I think we may well see Desmond showing up in more back stories. When he ran into Jack, it just didn't seem like a random meeting. If you think about it, would Jack have "fixed" Sarah if Desmond hadn't given him a little inspiration?I think it would be awesome if Desmond took art lessons from Claire's beau and intimated to him that he should stay single, etc., causing him to not want to raise the baby with Claire. Think about it, if Claire's boyfriend wanted to be a family, Claire wouldn't have seen the psychic and then gone to Australia.
Again, it might just be that they hired the same set artist to do all of the paintings, but since the faces and numbers and houses show up in Claire's boyfriends paintings, it does make me think that there is a connection.
Oh by the way, for any of you that did not go to the abc.com Lost forums and read the thread started by Fatty Wiess, the guy that attended the premiere and told everyone about Episode 1 before it aired, I went back and read that thread and it was spot on. I am glad I kept away from that thread or I would have been pissed off when I watched the show since it would have ruined it for me.
It wouldn't surprise me if they frequent many Internet boards dropping some of the tidbits we see just to create this buzz. I mean in the grand scheme of things, did it really matter that Hurley boarded on Gate 23 or that his car broke down at speeds matching the numbers, but we sure do talk about all of these things.Who knows, maybe I work for the show?
ME NOT DESTROY THEORY! ME MAD NOW!Sorry man. Just trying to understand the triangle. I looked up Pascal's triangle and that wasn't it. I even added an edit to say that I wasn't trying to dismiss it entirely, just my opinion. It is just that having studied way too much math in my lifetime and it is very easy to manipulate them into patterns.
Personally, I am very into the other theory about Claire's boyfriend's paintings and the hatch mural and Desmond somehow having connections to more than just Jack. So, I don't destroy all theories, and I hope that I don't destroy any, but I will disagree with some.
Absolutely. The same thing worked for the Blair Witch Project. I don't think I was ever less scared during a movie that I heard was very scary, aside from the last scene where the girl went down to the basement and her friend was staring at the wall. That was the best scene of the movie.If you think about it, the ABC Lost site had forums going immediately and they put up web sites for Charlie's band and Oceanic Airlines. All the hidden nuggets on the airline site and the hidden boards makes me think that they had the whole Internet plan to go full throttle as soon as the show started.
Brewdude
Footballguy
I like the theory here, but the triangle of numbers does not match your statement of "formed by adding the two numbers above it." What's really throwing me is the 0...how do you get a 0 when adding two positive numbers? That number should be 6, which would throw off the right side quite a bit.Also, how do you go from 3 to 4 on the left side?
Oh come one, but 4^2 = 16, 4*2 = 16, 15+8 =23, and 4^2 looks almost like 42. Can't you see it? It means that Ethan is a clone because he has 4 appendiges so he must be squared. Desmond has a brotha because he also has four appendiges and he is times 2, but times 2 is not the same as squared so he is from the same genetic source. Quid pro quo, Desmond and Ethan are related and thus this is a family business, so it must be Johnson & Johnson that is responsible for creating the virus that they are researching a vaccine for.
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Irregardless.
Um.. stbugs?
Sack-Religious.
Footballguy
Ditto for nanobots and clones.
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Irregardless.
Haha...Damnit, just trying to make a joke and ####ed up.Oh and PC,
be quiet please and just laugh at my pretend number theory!
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shuke> WAIT!
Sack-Religious.
Footballguy
How does the departure of Shuke and the addition of Smoo affect this thread?TIA will answer yours.
I seriously don't know what the deal is this year in comparasin to last years thread(s). IIRC last year, there was mostly discussion on the show itself, with a couple thoughts/theories on what was taking place. This year, it seems that we're debating 40000 different theories.
I think the whole Lost phenomenon has not allowed us to see the forest for the trees. Many of us, myself included sometimes, get far too caught up on screen caps and the possibilities of hidden messages and symbolism in the show and we cease to just sit back and enjoy a rare TV show that is actually very entertaining.
Paper Lions
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OK, back to some good stuff. I heard a semi-spoiler on a radio ad at lunch. I say semi-spoiler because it was obviously from tonight's episode so in a few hours everyone will know anyways, but it is very much along the lines of what several of us thought:
They add also said that 31 million people watched last week and all I can say is that I hope this bodes well for future TV Shows. Maybe networks will try and be creative again instead of trying every type of reality show or copying ideas (like Invasion, i.e. 2005 version of Invasion of the Body Snatchers, kind of boring last week).Edit: Edited my comment in the spoiler.
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Buckychudd
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This thread is a bad trainwreck....it's hard not to stare.
I agree and even the writers/producers said the same thing, that while they are hiding nuggets fans are also creating nuggets that just happened to be there. It is an awesome show and hopefully it runs only long enough to answer everything and be satisfying. Based on how much I like it, I do hope they have a few more seasons, but not enough that they pull an X-Files to make money and say Jack and other key characters get killed off because they don't want to do the show anymore and then they replace them with other survivors as the leads and then have a silly finale a couple years after that.I do have to say, I do still like the Desmond character potentially interacting with the survivors before the crash, but based on my last post, I do think it is far less likely.
I think based on last week being the premiere everyone got all excited. It seems like the thread has slowed down since the weekend because there is nothing new to discuss. Having a new thread is probably not worth it because too many people will still post in this one and it isn't that hard to go to the last page of the thread, even at the main forum page you can click on the last page link.
, here is link where the guy who made it up owns up to his hoax.
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Irregardless.
Update?
I know you think I am a theory destroyer, but in this case what I am supposed to debunk here? They don't look the same to me, but what if they are? This is still Hollywood so it is pretty easy to think that they might use the exact same person (extra) for two different scenes. It is pretty common and on a local DC talk show they interviewed someone on a new show who was talking about his stint on a previous show (NYPD Blue, I think) as a perp and that they liked him enough that they used him again as a different character all together. And that wasn't even for an extra, i.e. guy walking down hallway in hospital or sitting by campfire.Anyway, do you have anymore info on this or is it just two similar looking guys that are just extras. Honest question, not trying to grill you although some others might if that is the extent.
