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**** OFFICIAL Marvel's Avengers: Endgame **** SPOILERS ALLOWED! Enter at your own risk!!! (1 Viewer)

If someone would have told me 5 years ago that Paul Rudd would play a major role in the Marvel universe I would have laughed in their face.

 
Hawks64 said:
Well you can disagree all you want but he is a Titan, a member of the Eternals that carries the deviant gene. He's a god in Marvel, that's not an opinion but fact. He is mortal in the sense that he can live for multiple millennia. The only time the gauntlet affected him was when he used the stones to destroy themselves.
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Yeah, Thanos is much more powerful than he is getting credit for. Dude doesn't need the stones to beat Thor or Hulk or Iron Man etc. He is one of the biggest big bads in Marvel.

 
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Jobber said:
If someone would have told me 5 years ago that Paul Rudd would play a major role in the Marvel universe I would have laughed in their face.
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I am pretty sure when we finally figure out the Unifying Theory of Everything, Paul Rudd will be to the right of the = sign.

 
Jobber said:
If someone would have told me 5 years ago that Paul Rudd would play a major role in the Marvel universe I would have laughed in their face.
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If anyone gives you 10,000 to one on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.

 
AcerFC said:
This guy isnt buying it

https://www.thewrap.com/avengers-endgame-that-final-captain-america-scene-makes-no-sense-peggy-carter/amp/
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I am ok with Old Cap'n ending.  

When Cap went back, he already knew how the next 70 years would play out.  He knows Bucky ultimately found redemption, he knows that despite Hydra infiltrating SHIELD, they get rooted out before doing any serious bad.  He knows that ultimately, Thanks is defeated.  If he inserted himself at any point, he risks everything.

My assumption is he hooks up with Peggy.  She uses her spycraft to give Rodgers a new identity, stays in SHIELD, and Rodgers does his best to stay in the background.  Because that's what soldiers do when their fight is over - he's not a super-warrior, he's not a super-fighter, he's a super-soldier, and soldiers go home to their families.

I googled who Peggy was married to, and apparently her husband's identity has been kept consistently obscure.

Now, I want to go back to Civil War and re-watch Peggy's funeral.  I'm curious if we can catch a glimpse of old Cap.

 
moleculo said:
I googled who Peggy was married to, and apparently her husband's identity has been kept consistently obscure.
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when Steve visits her when she is in her 90's in Winter Soldier, she has pictures of her family on her night stand and they made sure that even in those pictures no husband was shown, only children.

 
I remember reading a quote from Stan Lee when he was asked how strong different characters are or how character x would do against character y in a fight.  He always answered something like "They're as strong or weak as they need to be (to advance the plot)".  I remember in the beginning of Winter Soldier there's an extended fight scene with Cap fighting some normal dude on a ship who can flip a little.  It was a cool scene for entertainment, but if you want absolute consistency in power of these made up characters, you're going to drive yourself crazy.

 
Hugh Jass said:
Anybody see this in 3D?  Wanna see it again, and trying to decide whether to go 3D...if it was used really well and worth it.
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moleculo said:
:Blackdot:
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Saw it in RPX 3D and then saw it again RPX 2D.

I would just go 2D.   I don't know if I was too caught up in the movie but I barely noticed the 3D.  They weren't oblivious to setting up shots for it, but this was a movie I didn't think it added much for me.

 
Cap and Bucky talked about Cap's plan. When Bucky is talking to Falcon, while Cap was away, the words Bucky uses all give clues that Bucky knows what Cap is doing. I think, because Bucky motioned to Falcon to take the shield is because Bucky is going to do the same as Cap... go back in time and live his life.

 
Hugh Jass said:
)".  I remember in the beginning of Winter Soldier there's an extended fight scene with Cap fighting some normal dude on a ship who can flip a little. .
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The wonderful irony of this statement is that in real life, "the normal dude who could flip a little" could kill every single cast member with out blinking.

The guy was non other than Georges St-Pierre, one of the greatest MMA fighters of all time. :)

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In the comics, he is considered a Super Villain called The Leaper.  He was created in the 60's and fought Captain America with a similar style.

 
Otis said:
I thought Cap didn’t age?  
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And how did he remember all that stuff 50+ years later when he returned?

It's hard to believe he was living a great life for decades and then "oh yeah, I gotta click on my wrist watch time machine doohickey and give this shield to some guy whose name I don't remember. Damn, I just pooped myself ."

 
Also, I agree that the movie was way too long but they rushed it at the end when Capt returned the stones...by himself. No issues returning them by himself?

On that note, if he returned them, why couldn't the vanishing events still happen?

 
Otis said:
I thought Cap didn’t age?  
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Let's say he was 20 when he was frozen and unthawed in 2011.  So he was 32 in 2023 when he went back to 1945.  A 32 year old man in 1945 would be 110 in 2023.

I'd say he looked pretty damn good for a 110 year old man.

 
Jobber said:
If someone would have told me 5 years ago that Paul Rudd would play a major role in the Marvel universe I would have laughed in their face.
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These films really need some sort of comic relief. A funny guy with bad ### abilities is always a plus. 

 
eoMMan said:
And how did he remember all that stuff 50+ years later when he returned?

It's hard to believe he was living a great life for decades and then "oh yeah, I gotta click on my wrist watch time machine doohickey and give this shield to some guy whose name I don't remember. Damn, I just pooped myself ."
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I researched on the CA angle at the end of the movie. One train of thought is he never used the time travel device to return to 2023.  He just knew where he had to be on that day and showed up there. 

Of course, no matter how you slice it the CA ending has things that can’t be fully explained. Steve Rogers was born in 1918. The ending takes place in 2023. So he would be 105. 

However, he didn’t really age after he had the serum injected, so who knows how he would have looked at 105. 

If he went back in time and didn’t take the serum, then a 105 year old would likely look way older than he did at the end of the movie. 

My concern is the film picked and chose what rules it wanted for time travel. Technically, there would have been a ton of parallel universes or timelines created once they started changing things. So on the one hand they want CA in the same timeline as they were in yet they would have changed a ton to get there. Who knows what would have happened if CA didn’t spend 70 years frozen. He would have been like 95 in a lot of the battles.

Another fan boy theory is that CA on his own figured out a way to bring back BW that is not covered in the movie. Essentially, maybe by returning the stone she comes back or he returns the stone before they come to take it. 

But at a minimum they were inconsistent in how they wanted to define the rules of time travel. I get it. That wasn’t the point of the movie. Just may have been interesting to see if they could have created a time travel model that worked all the time without having to fudge things. Not a huge deal. It’s the comics. Characters come and go and come back all the time. 

 
shadyridr said:
Ned was dusted too. So were all Spiderman high school classmates. 
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We don’t know that for sure do we? The kids in that scene at the end could have been a combination of dusted kids brought back and un-dusted kids who were originally five years younger than Peter and Ned, right? 

I said this earlier but I am very interested to see when all of the movies are set going forward. Far From Home has to take place in 2023

 
Where did it say the end of the movie took place in 2023? The original "time machine" was built in 2014 and the snap took place in 2018. Peter's scene could very well be from 2018 (maybe the sequel will let us know). Stark's funeral may have taken place in 2023 but we're not certain... plus, Stark dies in 2014 so maybe they wait for 2023.

 
Mario Kart said:
Where did it say the end of the movie took place in 2023? The original "time machine" was built in 2014 and the snap took place in 2018. Peter's scene could very well be from 2018 (maybe the sequel will let us know). Stark's funeral may have taken place in 2023 but we're not certain... plus, Stark dies in 2014 so maybe they wait for 2023.
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Didn’t they show at the beginning of the movie that it was five years In the future?

 
Mario Kart said:
Where did it say the end of the movie took place in 2023? The original "time machine" was built in 2014 and the snap took place in 2018. Peter's scene could very well be from 2018 (maybe the sequel will let us know). Stark's funeral may have taken place in 2023 but we're not certain... plus, Stark dies in 2014 so maybe they wait for 2023.
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The majority of the movie took place in 2023, including Stark’s death. There is no way Peter’s scene in the school at the end took place pre-snap in 2018. One of us needs to watch this again, maybe it’s me, because I didn’t think that stuff was meant to be confusing. 

 
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Waingro said:
The theater experience for this movie was amazing. You could feel the energy buzzing through room, especially through the last act. So many cheers, gasps and sobs. The crowd was going wild for at least a minute straight starting from the moment Black Panther showed up, all the way through the "Avengers Assemble" line, each big character getting their own boost of applause as they 
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One of my favorite theatre moments ever. Only one I can compare it to is when Vader turned on his saber at the end of Rogue One. I almost jumped out of my seat for that. 

 
Moe. said:
The majority of the movie took place in 2023, including Stark’s death. There is no way Peter’s scene in the school at the end took place pre-snap in 2018. One of us needs to watch this again, maybe it’s me, because I didn’t think that stuff was meant to be confusing. 
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Peters school scene was everyone going back to school for the first time in 5 years after the dusting. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
I researched on the CA angle at the end of the movie. One train of thought is he never used the time travel device to return to 2023.  He just knew where he had to be on that day and showed up there. 

Of course, no matter how you slice it the CA ending has things that can’t be fully explained. Steve Rogers was born in 1918. The ending takes place in 2023. So he would be 105. 

However, he didn’t really age after he had the serum injected, so who knows how he would have looked at 105. 

If he went back in time and didn’t take the serum, then a 105 year old would likely look way older than he did at the end of the movie. 

My concern is the film picked and chose what rules it wanted for time travel. Technically, there would have been a ton of parallel universes or timelines created once they started changing things. So on the one hand they want CA in the same timeline as they were in yet they would have changed a ton to get there. Who knows what would have happened if CA didn’t spend 70 years frozen. He would have been like 95 in a lot of the battles.

Another fan boy theory is that CA on his own figured out a way to bring back BW that is not covered in the movie. Essentially, maybe by returning the stone she comes back or he returns the stone before they come to take it. 

But at a minimum they were inconsistent in how they wanted to define the rules of time travel. I get it. That wasn’t the point of the movie. Just may have been interesting to see if they could have created a time travel model that worked all the time without having to fudge things. Not a huge deal. It’s the comics. Characters come and go and come back all the time. 
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Wait.  Why was Captain not frozen in the ice now?

 
Anarchy99 said:
Didn’t they show at the beginning of the movie that it was five years In the future?
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For each scene at the end, they did not say what year it was. Peter's scene could easily be from 2018 and the sequel this summer may explain the rest... with that movies ending taken place in 2023... so Peter in high school did not, necessarily, occur, in 2023, like many have suggested.

 
Capella said:
One of my favorite theatre moments ever. Only one I can compare it to is when Vader turned on his saber at the end of Rogue One. I almost jumped out of my seat for that. 
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When Yoda took out his lightsaber to fight Count Dooku. That moment was pretty good in a packed theater.

 
Mario Kart said:
For each scene at the end, they did not say what year it was. Peter's scene could easily be from 2018 and the sequel this summer may explain the rest... with that movies ending taken place in 2023... so Peter in high school did not, necessarily, occur, in 2023, like many have suggested.
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You are assuming when the avengers made their gauntlet and Professor Hulk snapped, that was 2018.  However, it had to be 2023 because Tony insisted nothing jeopardize his daughters existence.  

Further, If the final battle was in 2018, Stark died and he never lived in the cabin on the lake and never had his daughter.  We know from his funeral that all that happened.  

So, Hulks snap was most definitely in 2023.

 
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Andrew74 said:
I need to find a better theater.  It was packed but everyone was sitting there.  I need more nerds. 
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Mine wasnt full of loud emotion. At the obvious moments it was so quiet it was eerie.

The loudest was by far when Cap got mjolnir.  Stan Lee got a long ovation too.

 
Couple of thoughts on Tony picking 1970.

Arnim Zola revealed to Cap and Widow that he received his terminal diagnosis in 1972 in Winter Soldier.  Not important but fits with Howard Stark looking for Zola in the 1970 scene.

Tony hacked SHIELD's files on the Helicarrier during Avengers, so might have gotten info on the tesseract's location at that time.

Widow released SHIELD's files to the internet in Winter Soldier, which could have also included info for Tony that went into the 1970 choice.

Though didn't find anything actually referencing the date.  Speaking of, was it July 4 or April 7 in 1970 that they  went to?  I remember the 4 and 7 but not sure of the order now.

 
eoMMan said:
Also, I agree that the movie was way too long but they rushed it at the end when Capt returned the stones...by himself. No issues returning them by himself?

On that note, if he returned them, why couldn't the vanishing events still happen?
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The vanishing events do still happen. Then 5 years later they are brought back. 

 
moleculo said:
So why we're all the boats docked by the statue of liberty?
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I think it was an attempt to show changes caused by half the world being gone. Though I don't know that it was a good choice for it.

I'm guessing the thought was, now you need half as many boats at sea at any given time, or less.  So the number of boats needing dock space at the same time has suddenly skyrocketed.

But I don't think that conclusion is obvious, or maybe even makes enough sense, that I would have chosen it to convey the changes.

 
moleculo said:
So why we're all the boats docked by the statue of liberty?
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Because society nearly broke down when half the population disappeared. I figured it was just showing that people that were left did what they could to seek out others and stay alive.

 
GregR said:
I think it was an attempt to show changes caused by half the world being gone. Though I don't know that it was a good choice for it.

I'm guessing the thought was, now you need half as many boats at sea at any given time, or less.  So the number of boats needing dock space at the same time has suddenly skyrocketed.

But I don't think that conclusion is obvious, or maybe even makes enough sense, that I would have chosen it to convey the changes.
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Insein said:
Because society nearly broke down when half the population disappeared. I figured it was just showing that people that were left did what they could to seek out others and stay alive.
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just sayin - it's an interesting thing to think about what happens if 1/2 of everyone was gone.  I get that they wanted to point out some non-obvious conclusions - no more MLB and Statue of Liberty turning into a marina seem like really weird choices.  Really lost me there for a bit.

Sinn Fein said:
Whale watching tours
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most likely answer, IMO.

 
moleculo said:
just sayin - it's an interesting thing to think about what happens if 1/2 of everyone was gone.  I get that they wanted to point out some non-obvious conclusions - no more MLB and Statue of Liberty turning into a marina seem like really weird choices.  Really lost me there for a bit.

most likely answer, IMO.
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I thought the obvious point is things haven’t gone back to how they were. And the boat thing made sense since you have half as many people and more boats than captains. 

Shrug 

 
Capella said:
One of my favorite theatre moments ever. Only one I can compare it to is when Vader turned on his saber at the end of Rogue One. I almost jumped out of my seat for that. 
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The entire theatre, wept. My thoughts. Exactly.

 
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Mario Kart said:
For each scene at the end, they did not say what year it was. Peter's scene could easily be from 2018 and the sequel this summer may explain the rest... with that movies ending taken place in 2023... so Peter in high school did not, necessarily, occur, in 2023, like many have suggested.
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What?

 
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